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Just listen to alll the little Biden fascists in the crowd clap and cheer when Biden talks about implementing totalitarian policies.

"What am I doing here?"

Yeah, hilarious. But remember, that poor old dementia-ridden man "got more votes than any other presidential candidate in history."

2024 is going to be so funny.

Why is Biden holding up his clenched fists in the air like that? Looks like me when I am taking a shit.

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
Why is Biden holding up his clenched fists in the air like that? Looks like me when I am taking a shit.



Hey, show some damn respect. That is the "most powerful man in the world!"

Edit.

I'm sure all of our most powerful adversaries are shakin' in their boots after seeing Biden display such a "commanding presence" on tv lol.

...methneo crywank

Oh bashy.... smh.

https://c.tenor.com/Vk37748xTLoAAAAC/beavis-butt-head.gif

LOL. I named my current character in Fallout New Vegas "Beavis Butthead" lol.

I made him really dumb too (1 Intelligence).

But I soon regretted that so had to take several ranks of "Intense Training" perk and get an intelligence implant to get it up to around 5 or so.

You made an avatar of yourself?

Originally posted by Blakemore
You made an avatar of yourself? Nah, of you blakey. He is a dumbass alcoholic who doesn't believe in science, just like you. If he would've been like me he would've had maximum intelligence of 10.

Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
Nah, of you blakey. He is a dumbass alcoholic who doesn't believe in science, just like you. If he would've been like me he would've had maximum intelligence of 10.


More like an intelligence quotient of 10.

An iq of 10? Sounds about right.

Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
https://youtu.be/G3GwqXeASxg

Just listen to alll the little Biden fascists in the crowd clap and cheer when Biden talks about implementing totalitarian policies.
Originally posted by Klaw
"What am I doing here?"



https://i.imgur.com/cG9etGs.jpg

Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
https://youtu.be/G3GwqXeASxg

Just listen to alll the little Biden fascists in the crowd clap and cheer when Biden talks about implementing totalitarian policies.

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
Why is Biden holding up his clenched fists in the air like that? Looks like me when I am taking a shit.

He is pretty old. Maybe he was taking a shit.

A more sensible explanation would be he was trying to keep circulation into his fists by clenching them. After all, he's old.

Besides he only does it in the one clip, so what, did he stop having dementia half way through the conference?

This is more bs from FOX trying to pick anything to attack Biden just to distract attention from other stories that'll make Republicans look bad.

GOOD NEWS EVERYBODY!


According to some crackpot professor being promoted by CNN and Business Insider and like rags, men are doomed to a future of angry dateless violent fanaticism, because girls don't date guys who don't have a degree.


So the alt right will exponentially increase in size! You Libs are doomed!

Dating is a waste of time and money.

Originally posted by cdtm
GOOD NEWS EVERYBODY!


According to some crackpot professor being promoted by CNN and Business Insider and like rags, men are doomed to a future of angry dateless violent fanaticism, because girls don't date guys who don't have a degree.


So the alt right will exponentially increase in size! You Libs are doomed! But the alt-right comprises mostly of men who don't have degrees so they aren't getting dates and the alt right will systematically destroy itself with mephedrone.

Originally posted by Klaw
Dating is a waste of time and money.
Based.

Originally posted by cdtm
GOOD NEWS EVERYBODY!


According to some crackpot professor being promoted by CNN and Business Insider and like rags, men are doomed to a future of angry dateless violent fanaticism, because girls don't date guys who don't have a degree.


So the alt right will exponentially increase in size! You Libs are doomed!

I've heard this idea from more reliable sources. Highly recommend looking into it

Originally posted by ilikecomics
I've heard this idea from more reliable sources. Highly recommend looking into it

But.... I didn't even post a source. 😅

Originally posted by Blakemore
But the alt-right comprises mostly of men who don't have degrees so they aren't getting dates and the alt right will systematically destroy itself with mephedrone.


What you said just now, think about it. Carefully.


What does it mean if this were true? If the Alt-Right was uneducated burger flippers?




I'll answer here: The evil whites are poor and relatively powerless. A redneck sitting on his stoop and drinking moonshine in nowwheresville did not ruin things for minorities in inner city slums. So, WHO did then?


It's basic logic.

Originally posted by cdtm
But.... I didn't even post a source. 😅

I was inferring you meant left wing dummies said it as a way to make people afraid of incels, which fits into the "the 6th was a coup!"

So I was saying even if left wing sensationalism is saying this, it doesn't mean it isn't a real phenomena.

Does that make sense ?

Most people in the alt right are actually really smart dudes. Vox day for example is a billboard top 40 artist, author, publisher of comics and books, political scientist, and cultural commentator.

Is a dick tater a phallic shaped spud?

Let's see the current democratic platform is to make it easier for people to vote.

It's to give people strong social safety nets to give them more personal and economic freedom like in European countries.

It's to put in policies that reduce income inequality.

These are things that actually make it harder for dictators to take control.

Now the GOP platform on the other hand is textbook tyrannical behavior.

The more inequality, the more corporate rule, who not only deceive the public, they're not accountable and bribe politicians.

Originally posted by Newjak
Let's see the current democratic platform is to make it easier for people to vote.

It's to give people strong social safety nets to give them more personal and economic freedom like in European countries.

It's to put in policies that reduce income inequality.

These are things that actually make it harder for dictators to take control.

Now the GOP platform on the other hand is textbook tyrannical behavior.

Well, look at Democrat strongholds. If this isn't virtue signaling or a tactic where they promote something they know can never happen and have no real intention of happening, then why haven't we seen a state or major city under democrat control enact these policies?

Originally posted by Newjak
Let's see the current democratic platform is to make it easier for people to vote.

It's to give people strong social safety nets to give them more personal and economic freedom like in European countries.

It's to put in policies that reduce income inequality.

These are things that actually make it harder for dictators to take control.

Now the GOP platform on the other hand is textbook tyrannical behavior.

Originally posted by Klaw

Originally posted by Newjak
Let's see the current democratic platform is to make it easier for people to vote.

It's to give people strong social safety nets to give them more personal and economic freedom like in European countries.

It's to put in policies that reduce income inequality.

These are things that actually make it harder for dictators to take control.

Now the GOP platform on the other hand is textbook tyrannical behavior.

I have to wonder just how much they want to actually do, as opposed to just spouting platitudes. I mean, the Republicans are scummy with a lot of their shit, but at least they're honest about it.

I really have no interest in watching Biden talking about fixing America for four years only to end up doing **** all of any considerable measure.

How are Republicans honest about it? eg they've promised a better replacement to the ACA (aka Obamacare) since the ACA became law. Trumpcare in 2018 was a debacle that would have left people who had insurance, without insurance, luckily McCain stopped it. They claimed their Tax Reform wouldn't be a boon to the richest people, claimed it'd actually hurt them, they jut became richer. Mexico was going to pay for the glorious mega-wall, the parts that where built were done on our tax dollars.

Originally posted by cdtm
What you said just now, think about it. Carefully.


What does it mean if this were true? If the Alt-Right was uneducated burger flippers?




I'll answer here: The evil whites are poor and relatively powerless. A redneck sitting on his stoop and drinking moonshine in nowwheresville did not ruin things for minorities in inner city slums. So, WHO did then?


It's basic logic. The alt-right can't get dates and live in nowheresville so the left are doomed?

Originally posted by cdtm
Well, look at Democrat strongholds. If this isn't virtue signaling or a tactic where they promote something they know can never happen and have no real intention of happening, then why haven't we seen a state or major city under democrat control enact these policies?

San Francisco has single-payer health care for the entire city. Google is free.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
San Francisco has single-payer health care for the entire city. Google is free.

Originally posted by Robtard
cdtm tends to talk about things he knows absolutely nothing about. It's a trend.

Originally posted by Robtard
How are Republicans honest about it? eg they've promised a better replacement to the ACA (aka Obamacare) since the ACA became law. Trumpcare in 2018 was a debacle that would have left people who had insurance, without insurance, luckily McCain stopped it. They claimed their Tax Reform wouldn't be a boon to the richest people, claimed it'd actually hurt them, they jut became richer. Mexico was going to pay for the glorious mega-wall, the parts that where built were done on our tax dollars.

The best replacement for Obamacare is to make people responsible for their own health.
Free government insurance encourages malingering and not working.

Originally posted by ilikecomics
The best replacement for Obamacare is to make people responsible for their own health.
Free government insurance encourages malingering and not working.

dur

Originally posted by Robtard
dur


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Warp_Speed

This should help.

HYG

Originally posted by Robtard
HYG


Oh you're totally right. Idk why I posted warp speed in relation to Obamacare.

Maybe I had another thread open ???

I'm not sure, anyways back to my argument against Obamacare.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/04/whole-foods-ceo-john-mackey-best-solution-is-not-to-need-health-care.html

This is what I was talking about and meant to post.

Sorry for the confusion, and thank you for the correction.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
San Francisco has single-payer health care for the entire city. Google is free.


Google has taken 766 million in tax payer dollars since 2000. That's not free.

This is without looking into military industrial complex shadow deals with them.

Originally posted by ilikecomics
Oh you're totally right. Idk why I posted warp speed in relation to Obamacare.

Maybe I had another thread open ???

I'm not sure, anyways back to my argument against Obamacare.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/04/whole-foods-ceo-john-mackey-best-solution-is-not-to-need-health-care.html

This is what I was talking about and meant to post.

Sorry for the confusion, and thank you for the correction.

"Whole Foods CEO John Mackey: The 'best solution' is to not need health care and for Americans to change how they eat and live" -snip

He's not wrong about the American diet/lifestyle and how it relates to poor health. But we still need a universal healthcare, ideally Medicare for all. So he's right on one and a retard on the other. 50/50

Originally posted by Robtard
"Whole Foods CEO John Mackey: The 'best solution' is to not need health care and for Americans to change how they eat and live" -snip

He's not wrong about the American diet/lifestyle and how it relates to poor health. But we still need a universal healthcare, ideally Medicare for all. So he's right on one and a retard on the other. 50/50

Why do we need Medicare for all ?

Estimates of the medical cost of adult obesity in the United States (U.S.) range from $147 billion to nearly $210 billion per year. The majority of the spending is generated from treating obesity-related diseases such as diabetes and cardiovascular disease, among others.

So you'd want a country where nearly half the population is obese to be rewarded with free healthcare ? Pretty sure youtube workout and diet videos and some individual ambition would be better than stealing from the healthy to pay for the non healthy, no ?

Giving the unhealthy rewards, paid for with stolen money, is a disastrous moral hazard.

Originally posted by Klaw

Originally posted by Robtard
They also tend to forget that there only so much these strongholds can do because they are still a part of the bigger world. For instance if you live in a major democratic city in a red state it's hard to enact voter reforms or keep suppressive voter laws from effecting you.

Originally posted by Newjak
They also tend to forget that there only so much these strongholds can do because they are still a part of the bigger world. For instance if you live in a major democratic city in a red state it's hard to enact voter reforms or keep suppressive voter laws from effecting you.

This is why secession is necessary. Then there'd be no quibbles over red or blue states.

Originally posted by ilikecomics
Why do we need Medicare for all ?

Estimates of the medical cost of adult obesity in the United States (U.S.) range from $147 billion to nearly $210 billion per year. The majority of the spending is generated from treating obesity-related diseases such as diabetes and cardiovascular disease, among others.

So you'd want a country where nearly half the population is obese to be rewarded with free healthcare ? Pretty sure youtube workout and diet videos and some individual ambition would be better than stealing from the healthy to pay for the non healthy, no ?

So all people have health care, which should be a right in America.

Yes, yes, "fat people bad", I'm well aware you feel that way, Ziggy.

Anyhow, part of universal healthcare should be trying to get people to eat better and get at least minimal exercise like walking.

Originally posted by Newjak
They also tend to forget that there only so much these strongholds can do because they are still a part of the bigger world. For instance if you live in a major democratic city in a red state it's hard to enact voter reforms or keep suppressive voter laws from effecting you.

Yup

Originally posted by Robtard
So all people have health care, which should be a right in America.

Yes, yes, "fat people bad", I'm well aware you feel that way, Ziggy.

Anyhow, part of universal healthcare should be trying to get people to eat better and get at least minimal exercise like walking.


Why does encouraging healthy lifestyles require a government apparatus ? Couldn't we just make being overweight something that's socially stigmatized ?
Surely you'd argue that calling people like Tess holiday normal, let alone beautiful, is an exercise in delusion, no ?

Also I don't believe in positive rights, the same way I don't believe in positive morality.

Originally posted by ilikecomics
Why does encouraging healthy lifestyles require a government apparatus ? Couldn't we just make being overweight something that's socially stigmatized ?
Surely you'd argue that calling people like Tess holiday normal, let alone beautiful, is an exercise in delusion, no ?

It would be a bonus added to a UHC system, not necessarily a requirement. Both can exist.

Fat shamming is already a thing, has been for a very long time. Bad faith argument, that.

Originally posted by ilikecomics
Also I don't believe in positive rights, the same way I don't believe in positive morality.


No one really cares :/

Originally posted by Robtard
It would be a bonus added to a UHC system, not necessarily a requirement. Both can exist.

Fat shamming is already a thing, has been for a very long time. Bad faith argument, that.


Are you arguing there isn't a fat empowerment movement or that Tess holiday is on magazine covers ? Yes or no.

Originally posted by Robtard
No one really cares :/

Apathy is a common response to things one doesn't understand. That's okay if you feel that way.

Originally posted by ilikecomics
Are you arguing there isn't a fat empowerment movement or that Tess holiday is on magazine covers ? Yes or no.


I'm saying that fat-shaming is still a thing, even if the occasional plus-sized model happens to make a name for themselves. You're aware of this, but shit posting.

Originally posted by ilikecomics
Apathy is a common response to things one doesn't understand. That's okay if you feel that way.

This is low energy bait, ziggy

Originally posted by Robtard
This is low energy bait, ziggy

I thought it was pretty low energy to say no one cares.

Do you understand the difference between positive and negative rights ?

Originally posted by Robtard
I'm saying that fat-shaming is still a thing, even if the occasional plus-sized model happens to make a name for themselves. You're aware of this, but shit posting.

I never said fat shaming has completely Disappeared off the face or the earth as I'm currently exemplifying with my comments.

Tess holiday isn't the only day model.

Adele and rebel Wilson got shamed for losing weight.

I would appreciate if you quit trying to mind read, talk about arguing in bad faith.

Originally posted by Robtard
Yup It's also similar to how they want to talk about how gun laws in Chicago don't work and that shows guns don't work at all. Yet they also don't mention that most of the guns used in gun related crime in Chicago are purchased legally in Indiana because it has lax gun control laws.

Originally posted by Newjak
It's also similar to how they want to talk about how gun laws in Chicago don't work and that shows guns don't work at all. Yet they also don't mention that most of the guns used in gun related crime in Chicago are purchased legally in Indiana because it has lax gun control laws.

Whoa, you mean immoral people find ways around laws ? This is news to me.

Originally posted by Newjak
It's also similar to how they want to talk about how gun laws in Chicago don't work and that shows guns don't work at all. Yet they also don't mention that most of the guns used in gun related crime in Chicago are purchased legally in Indiana because it has lax gun control laws.

So if they're buying guns elsewhere and bringing them, in spite of Chicagos' gun laws, what good are they?

Either way black people are 13-14 percent of the population and commit 50 percent of the violent crimes. Don't think that's related to gun laws.

Originally posted by Klaw
So if they're buying guns elsewhere and bringing them, in spite of Chicagos' gun laws, what good are they?

Originally posted by ilikecomics


Newjak just proved our points.

But he won't be smart enough to realize it.

Originally posted by Klaw
Newjak just proved our points.

But he won't be smart enough to realize it.

The right argues prohibition is bad, but people make moonshine in their basement !!!!!!!!!!

If anything, there are too many laws on the books.

Originally posted by Klaw
So if they're buying guns elsewhere and bringing them, in spite of Chicagos' gun laws, what good are they?

Originally posted by Klaw
If anything, there are too many laws on the books.

All legislation should be eradicated and replaced with natural law, leading to a spontaneous ordering of society.

I can't think of a single good piece of legislation.

Originally posted by Klaw
Newjak just proved our points.

But he won't be smart enough to realize it.

Originally posted by Newjak


Told ya.

I think Chicago should pass 100 more gun control laws.

At that point, people are sure to listen.

Originally posted by Klaw
Told ya.

Mocking arrogance is usually a sign that they're all out of convincing arguments.

Originally posted by ilikecomics
Mocking arrogance is usually a sign that they're all out of convincing arguments.

All Newjak does is laugh at peoples' posts.

It's all he has.

Originally posted by Klaw
Told ya. Dude in all seriousness the fact you think me pointing out that people legally purchasing firearms in another state and then they are later used in crimes in Chicago helps you only reinforces the original statement I made.

The truth is we have plenty of data from other countries that directly destroy the argument you just made. Which goes to show that, as originally stated, there is a connected social structure part of all this that you morons keep overlooking with your stupid comments about Democratic strongholds.

Which honestly just makes hilarious.

Comparing other countries to the U.S. (which has a Constitutional Right to bear arms) is disingenuous.

Originally posted by Klaw
Comparing other countries to the U.S. (which has a Constitutional Right to bear arms) is disingenuous.

If you hate the 2nd Amendment so much, you must be in favor of repealing it.

Originally posted by Robtard
How are Republicans honest about it? eg they've promised a better replacement to the ACA (aka Obamacare) since the ACA became law. Trumpcare in 2018 was a debacle that would have left people who had insurance, without insurance, luckily McCain stopped it. They claimed their Tax Reform wouldn't be a boon to the richest people, claimed it'd actually hurt them, they jut became richer. Mexico was going to pay for the glorious mega-wall, the parts that where built were done on our tax dollars.

Instead of honest, how about I call them "so terrible at lying that enough of us can see through their bullshit at what they're really trying to do"? Is that better?

5/7 better, PR. 5 outta 7.

Originally posted by ilikecomics
The best replacement for Obamacare is to make people responsible for their own health.
Free government insurance encourages malingering and not working.

Top 20 Countries with the highest employment rates with countries in the top 10 best socialised healthcare systems rankings highlighted in bold

Switzerland
Iceland
The Netherlands
Japan
New Zealand
Germany
Sweden
Uk
Norway
Denmark
Czech Republic
Estonia
Australia
Austria
Finland
Latvia
Lithuania
Slovenia
Canada
Hungary

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
Top 20 Countries with the highest employment rates with countries in the top 10 best socialised healthcare systems rankings highlighted in bold

Switzerland
Iceland
The Netherlands
Japan
New Zealand
Germany
Sweden
Uk
Norway
Denmark
Czech Republic
Estonia
Australia
Austria
Finland
Latvia
Lithuania
Slovenia
Canada
Hungary

Sweden pays for it's social safety nets by taxing the poor (people who make under 45k).
I'm not for government programs, but there are degrees of severity and I'd much rather have social safety nets funded by taxing the poor instead of wealth, and therefore prosperity, creators.

Thanks for that tangent.

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
Thanks for that tangent.

Thanks for the categorization of my argument instead of dealing with it's content. It's a neat trick.

Idiots still arguing for doing away with 2nd amendment. How very f***ing irritating. Foreigners who are for that need to mind their own countries' goddamn business and any American who is for that needs to pack their shit and move to a different goddamn country because our 2nd amendment rights are here to stay.... GET OVER IT, LOSERS.

Looking at all of the tyrannical overreach governments throughout the world are currently engaging in (especially in places like Australia) I'd say our 2nd amendment is more important than ever now. I bet a lot of Australians wish they still had their guns right about now.

People who argue for doing away with my 2nd anendment rights just f***ing infuriate me (even moreso than people who argue for forced vaccinations do) and it makes me wanna beat the shit out of someone or something. I guarantee you none of authoritarian assholes arguing for taking our guns away would ever say that shit to my face because they're all little b*tch ass cowards.

Originally posted by ilikecomics
Thanks for the categorization of my argument instead of dealing with it's content. It's a neat trick.

Ironic given the post of yours I was replying to that you now seem to have abandoned.

Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
Idiots still arguing for doing away with 2nd amendment. How very f***ing irritating. Foreigners who are for that need to mind their own countries' goddamn business and any American who is for that needs to pack their shit and move to a different goddamn country because our 2nd amendment rights are here to stay.... GET OVER IT, LOSERS.

Looking at all of the tyrannical overreach governments throughout the world are currently engaging in (especially in places like Australia) I'd say our 2nd amendment is more important than ever now. I bet a lot of Australians wish they still had their guns right about now.

People who argue for doing away with my 2nd anendment rights just f***ing infuriate me (even moreso than people who argue for forced vaccinations do) and it makes me wanna beat the shit out of someone or something. I guarantee you none of authoritarian assholes arguing for taking our guns away would ever say that shit to my face because they're all little b*tch ass cowards.

Odd that you're all for countries minding their own business yet got very upset over your country withdrawing from Afghanistan.

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
Ironic given the post of yours I was replying to that you now seem to have abandoned.

My claim is that socialized medicine is bad. You sent a list of countries that have socialized medicine. I pointed out that one of those ten pay for their socialized medicine through taxing the poor. Not sure how you lost the thread here.

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
Odd that you're all for countries minding their own business yet got very upset over your country withdrawing from Afghanistan.

I'm totally non interventionist and pulling out of Afghanistan right s badass. I share Scott Hortons views on this.

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
Odd that you're all for countries minding their own business yet got very upset over your country withdrawing from Afghanistan.


Ya see, ilikecomics, this is just the sort of thing I'm talking about.

Typical type of BS argument from leftists and so-called "centrists" like jaden on this forum.

No, moron, what I and others were upset over is HOW it was done.

This has been explained to idiots like you ad nauseum and yet you still don't get it.

Originally posted by ilikecomics
My claim is that socialized medicine is bad. You sent a list of countries that have socialized medicine. I pointed out that one of those ten pay for their socialized medicine through taxing the poor. Not sure how you lost the thread here.
No, your claim was that socialized medicine encourages malingering and not working. He countered by providing a list of countries with the highest employment rates, many of which have very socialized healthcare systems. You then replied by pointing out one quality of Sweden's system that you happen to like; this reply neither supported your original claim nor refuted his counter.

Hopefully this helps to clear up where the conversation went off track.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
No, your claim was that socialized medicine encourages malingering and not working. He countered by providing a list of countries with the highest employment rates, many of which have very socialized healthcare systems. You then replied by pointing out one quality of Sweden's system that you happen to like; this reply neither supported your original claim nor refuted his counter.

Hopefully this helps to clear up where the conversation went off track.

Do you like that Sweden taxes the poor to pay for socialized medicine ? Should the U.S. emulate this ?

Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
Ya see, ilikecomics, this is just the sort of thing I'm talking about.

Typical type of BS argument from leftists and so-called "centrists" like jaden on this forum.

No, moron, what I and others were upset over is HOW it was done.

This has been explained to idiots like you ad nauseum and yet you still don't get it.

Both Sweden, the military that just pulled out, the navy, and the fukkin federal reserve banking clan of '08 are going to have to scratch a living off rocks along with Bezos+Musk and their boys, alongside Marcels and Joel Osteen s boys

Muahahaha

Originally posted by ilikecomics
Do you like that Sweden taxes the poor to pay for socialized medicine ? Should the U.S. emulate this ?



So unlike the US, Sweden actually gives something in return for those taxes

Originally posted by ilikecomics
My claim is that socialized medicine is bad. You sent a list of countries that have socialized medicine. I pointed out that one of those ten pay for their socialized medicine through taxing the poor. Not sure how you lost the thread here.

No it wasn't. Let me remind you of your claim again.



Yet I showed that every single one of the top 10 countries with the best free healthcare systems in the world are in the top 20 countries with the highest employment rates. Including 8 in the top 10. Clearly showing your baseless conjecture to be completely incorrect.

You then segwayed into something entirely unrelated about taxes in order to attempt to direct attention away from your blatant falsehood.

Ziggy is just contrary trolling for the Discord group Jaden. It is what it is.

Originally posted by ilikecomics
Do you like that Sweden taxes the poor to pay for socialized medicine ? Should the U.S. emulate this ?

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
That's all made up.

What they are really monitoring is expressed through dbs rn

8tchteeteepeeess-doubledot-doubleslash-dragonball-dot-fandom-dot-com/wiki/Transformation (interesting that this "software" aka the hardware on the customized touchscreen recognizes the https and the silicon chips display the link and not what I typed )

Granolah was sort of a Clint Eastwood type. They can numerically quantify accuracy based on "average of trajectories" a Lil bit of 2nd grade algebraic arithmetic

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
Top 20 Countries with the highest employment rates with countries in the top 10 best socialised healthcare systems rankings highlighted in bold

Switzerland
Iceland
The Netherlands
Japan
New Zealand
Germany
Sweden
Uk
Norway
Denmark
Czech Republic
Estonia
Australia
Austria
Finland
Latvia
Lithuania
Slovenia
Canada
Hungary That's communism! They work in hospitals then pay tax for other people's healthcare until they need it then it's free.

Wait, that's just like every other insurance plan, and they can quit, and you can vote for how it get's managed...

It's still communism!

It is important to remember that Sweden has one of the highest VAT rates in the world. The poor are obviously not exempt from it.

And yet Sweden has a far lower % of their population living in poverty than the U.K. or USA.

So seems Social Democracy works better for the poor.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
And yet Sweden has a far lower % of their population living in poverty than the U.K. or USA.

So seems Social Democracy works better for the poor.
I was just pointing out that the graph that jaden_2.0 posted is misleading as Sweden very much taxes its poor through one of the highest VAT in the world.

I admit that I do not know what the threshold for poverty is in Sweden compared the U.K. or the USA, but Sweden does have a very high cost of living.

Wasnt just a response to you. Was a general response to the discussion where the argument seems to be that Free Healthcare comes at the cost of poor people.

Sweden does seem quite high on taxes. But seems to work as well.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Wasnt just a response to you. Was a general response to the discussion where the argument seems to be that Free Healthcare comes at the cost of poor people.

Sweden does seem quite high on taxes. But seems to work as well.
Indeed, you will not end up financially ruined if you get seriously sick and happen to be uninsured, but there is simply no such thing as a free lunch(nor healthcare) and everyone has to pay, even the poor.

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
It is important to remember that Sweden has one of the highest VAT rates in the world. The poor are obviously not exempt from it.

OK.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
And yet Sweden has a far lower % of their population living in poverty than the U.K. or USA.

So seems Social Democracy works better for the poor.

Or the more obvious answer of anything you tax you get less of, in this case poverty.

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
Indeed, you will not end up financially ruined if you get seriously sick and happen to be uninsured, but there is simply no such thing as a free lunch(nor healthcare) and everyone has to pay, even the poor.

I like you. Thanks for being fair.

There will be positives and negatives for every country. After all things are considered I guess the happiness of a country's citizens would be the main consideration and should be the primary goal of its government. Sweden seems to do well in that regard being listed as the 7th happiest country in the world so they don't seem to mind the relatively high tax rates.

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
There will be positives and negatives for every country. After all things are considered I guess the happiness of a country's citizens would be the main consideration and should be the primary goal of its government. Sweden seems to do well in that regard being listed as the 7th happiest country in the world so they don't seem to mind the relatively high tax rates.

Because taxing the poor ensures there isn't that many poor people. That would make me happy too.
Not to mention Sweden is 80 percent swedish, usually racial homogeneity produces better life outcomes.

https://youtu.be/1i9FQ834yFc

Here's a five minute video to help you understand

Originally posted by ilikecomics
Because taxing the poor ensures there isn't that many poor people. That would make me happy too.
Not to mention Sweden is 80 percent swedish, usually racial homogeneity produces better life outcomes. you dropped your racist card.

Originally posted by Blakemore
you dropped your racist card.

You ought to be ashamed for calling me that.

Originally posted by ilikecomics
You ought to be ashamed for calling me that.

He thinks "Diversity is our strength" when history has shown, it isn't.

Originally posted by Klaw
He thinks "Diversity is our strength" when history has shown, it isn't.

Diversity can be good, just not politically coerced multiculturalism.

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Originally posted by Hutury
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Originally posted by jaden_2.0
No it wasn't. Let me remind you of your claim again.



Yet I showed that every single one of the top 10 countries with the best free healthcare systems in the world are in the top 20 countries with the highest employment rates. Including 8 in the top 10. Clearly showing your baseless conjecture to be completely incorrect.

You then segwayed into something entirely unrelated about taxes in order to attempt to direct attention away from your blatant falsehood.

How did you show that?

Originally posted by cdtm
How did you show that?

I was wondering this same thing.

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
Indeed, you will not end up financially ruined if you get seriously sick and happen to be uninsured, but there is simply no such thing as a free lunch(nor healthcare) and everyone has to pay, even the poor. So?

If the minimum level of what is considered poor is raised because of it they are still making out ahead.

Originally posted by Newjak
So?

If the minimum level of what is considered poor is raised because of it they are still making out ahead.

Originally posted by Klaw

Originally posted by Newjak
So?

If the minimum level of what is considered poor is raised because of it they are still making out ahead.
Maybe. I was simply taking an issue with the notion that the poor in Sweden pay 0% tax; that is simply not the case.

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
Maybe. I was simply taking an issue with the notion that the poor in Sweden pay 0% tax; that is simply not the case. You can't pay what you don't have.

You have to give away everything for the most aesthetic female, everyone knows everyone's vision and hearing preferences

What you're saying is for not being able to exploit others you get a mark over there I honestly don't care if you think or actually believe anyone has any concept of the proverbial arm lever

Classic Sweden cronies being French/Russia

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Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
Maybe. I was simply taking an issue with the notion that the poor in Sweden pay 0% tax; that is simply not the case.

Originally posted by Hutury
Classic Sweden cronies being French/Russia

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TYPICAL

You make less sense than wonderman lmao

Originally posted by ilikecomics
You ought to be ashamed for calling me that.

The shoe fits.

Originally posted by Blakemore
you dropped your racist card.

The good thing about lost cards, it is always easy to print more.

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
Maybe. I was simply taking an issue with the notion that the poor in Sweden pay 0% tax; that is simply not the case.

Better to take issue with arguments that are actually made than ones you make out of straw.

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
Better to take issue with arguments that are actually made than ones you make out of straw.

Do you think incentives and subsidiaries don't alter human behavior ? If the answer is yes, then you should understand why free healthcare would be a moral hazard. But hey, I'm probably being racist by saying that.

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
Better to take issue with arguments that are actually made than ones you make out of straw.
You posted a graph that claims that the poor in Sweden pay 0% tax, I pointed out that that's not the reality in practice. I'm not making a strawman, so why play silly bugger about it?

Originally posted by ilikecomics
Do you think incentives and subsidiaries don't alter human behavior ? If the answer is yes, then you should understand why free healthcare would be a moral hazard. But hey, I'm probably being racist by saying that.

It does not matter what he personally thinks. He posted direct evidence that is not the case. Cope harder.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
It does not matter what he personally thinks. He posted direct evidence that is not the case. Cope harder.

His post did not prove humans respond to incentives, if it did I missed it.

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
You posted a graph that claims that the poor in Sweden pay 0% tax, I pointed out that that's not the reality in practice. I'm not making a strawman, so why play silly bugger about it?

Because income tax isn't all tax.

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
Because income tax isn't all tax.

You're right, inflation, regulations, inflation, unions, and licensing agreements are also a form of taxation.

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
Because income tax isn't all tax.
True, but the discussion you guys were having was about Sweden taxing the poor, period. The graph you then posted showed a 0% tax rate on people below a certain financial threshold, which I felt did not reflect the actual reality in Sweden.

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
True, but the discussion you guys were having was about Sweden taxing the poor, period. The graph you then posted showed a 0% tax rate on people below a certain financial threshold, which I felt did not reflect the actual reality in Sweden.

I feel the same.

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
True, but the discussion you guys were having was about Sweden taxing the poor, period. The graph you then posted showed a 0% tax rate on people below a certain financial threshold, which I felt did not reflect the actual reality in Sweden.

No it didn't. It showed a 0% INCOME tax rate.

The argument that the poor pay HIGHER taxes than the rich in Sweden is false as shown by the income tax brackets.

The argument that the poor pay MORE taxes than the rich is true. But making it out of context in order to portray the previous statement is disingenuous. They pay more by virtue of them being a larger group of people. As individuals they do not pay more tax than an individual rich person.

The same disingenuous argument gets made in the UK by the rich. The claim is that the richest 1% account for 30% of the total taxes raised by the government. This is true. However it is used out of context to claim that the richest 1% pay more than their share of taxes. This is false because it negates to mention the context that the richest 1% have more 50% of the wealth therefore in reality pay less than their fair share.

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
No it didn't. It showed a 0% INCOME tax rate.

The argument that the poor pay HIGHER taxes than the rich in Sweden is false as shown by the income tax brackets.

The argument that the poor pay MORE taxes than the rich is true. But making it out of context in order to portray the previous statement is disingenuous. They pay more by virtue of them being a larger group of people. As individuals they do not pay more tax than an individual rich person.

The same disingenuous argument gets made in the UK by the rich. The claim is that the richest 1% account for 30% of the total taxes raised by the government. This is true. However it is used out of context to claim that the richest 1% pay more than their share of taxes. This is false because it negates to mention the context that the richest 1% have more 50% of the wealth therefore in reality pay less than their fair share.
Yeah, but the argument was about the taxation of the poor in Sweden, not what the 1% in the U.K. pay in taxes or what they have to say about it. That is what the original argument was and I felt it was disingenuous to imply that the taxes the poor pay, income or otherwise, is 0%.

Ilikecomics implied its mostly the poor the tax burden falls on in Sweden. That was disingenuous.

All jaden did was post the income tax rates in response. ilikecomics was never very clear about his accusation. So it was fine for you to note their high Sales Tax, but its also clear who was being disingenuous between jaden and ilikecomics.

The latter still wont accept free healthcare can work without huge poverty. Despite the figures from Sweden showing it does work and with far less poverty.