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I've noticed how the MCU is having too much of an influence on marvels cartoons, video games, and comics. Marvel has been depending too much on making everything be inspired by their cinematic universe. It's getting old and very predictable to make everything inspired by the movies.

Don't worry. They're working very hard to make phase 4 exceptionally mediocre with a few to destroying the franchise altogether.

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
Don't worry. They're working very hard to make phase 4 exceptionally mediocre with a few to destroying the franchise altogether.

Marvel has to drop that MCU influence sooner or later.

Originally posted by robotflug
I've noticed how the MCU is having too much of an influence on marvels cartoons, video games, and comics. Marvel has been depending too much on making everything be inspired by their cinematic universe. It's getting old and very predictable to make everything inspired by the movies.


what exactly ere you crying about

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
what exactly ere you crying about

Eh, he's not entirely wrong. At least one Marvel writer I know of has been told to write the characters to make them more like the movies. And I'm sure you can go back and see plenty of comics/games/cartoons that have tried to emulate the MCU more than past comics.

Like Jaden said though, Phase 4 will likely put a stop to that.

I've enjoyed Phase 4 so far. Really like Shang Chi and thought Blackwidow was fine. Haven't seen Eternals yet, but I have high hopes for Spiderman 3, Doctor STrange 2, Hawkeye's show and Thor 4.

Agreed. I've been pretty bored with and indifferent to most of it for a long time.

it seems like you dont think any media franchise should get too popular, and if they do, they are "overrated" or "have too much influence", lol.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
it seems like you dont think any media franchise should get too popular, and if they do, they are "overrated" or "have too much influence", lol.


so muthfacka true

Originally posted by -Pr-
Eh, he's not entirely wrong. At least one Marvel writer I know of has been told to write the characters to make them more like the movies. And I'm sure you can go back and see plenty of comics/games/cartoons that have tried to emulate the MCU more than past comics.

Like Jaden said though, Phase 4 will likely put a stop to that.

Hollywood movies always had enormous influence --- it's not a new thing. It's not always a good thing and we don't have to like it, agreed, but that's how this business has always worked.

It's not mcu-only thing. Retro superhero films were doing the same thing.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
it seems like you dont think any media franchise should get too popular, and if they do, they are "overrated" or "have too much influence", lol.
Someone who pretends that always going against the grain makes them interesting or is a substitute for a personality.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Hollywood movies always had enormous influence --- it's not a new thing. It's not always a good thing and we don't have to like it, agreed, but that's how this business has always worked.

It's not mcu-only thing. Retro superhero films were doing the same thing.

I'm not saying they never had influence before. I'm saying that the MCU is having a bigger influence than movies did in the past, which I think is a fair comment to make.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I'm not saying they never had influence before. I'm saying that the MCU is having a bigger influence than movies did in the past, which I think is a fair comment to make.

We're dealing with an actual cinematic universe here, long-running and incredibly successful, so of course it is having a bigger influence.

DC produces turds... and those turds have a huge influence on their books, too.

McFarlane retconned his own work after that old Spawn film. As long as it's not a localized, low-budget film, it's gonna make the rules and get shoved down our throats without our consent and without making sure if we can breathe fine or if we suffocate on it.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
We're dealing with an actual cinematic universe here, long-running and incredibly successful, so of course it is having a bigger influence.

DC produces turds... and those turds have a huge influence on their books, too.

McFarlane retconned his own work after that old Spawn film. As long as it's not a localized, low-budget film, it's gonna make the rules and get shoved down our throats without our consent and without making sure if we can breathe fine or if we suffocate on it.

So you... agree, then?

What did MacFarlane retcon from the film?

Originally posted by cdtm
What did MacFarlane retcon from the film?

Chapel's involvement in Simmons' death was retconned away hard.

Originally posted by -Pr-
So you... agree, then?

https://i.ibb.co/xqfgnc1/prtonguescarver.png

Well, that's just disappointing. Though, I am used to you disappointing me, I suppose.

I agree that it does have a shitload of influence.

I don't agree that Phase Four will put an end to it.

They're not all shit, But folks on here have been injected with the anti-SJW drug.

Marvel, DC, and all Western comics became mostly "SJW" eventually. They're not doing as well as they once used to due to a number of things, and compared to how much manga still sells it's embarrassingly bad where the culture war's concerned I guess, but I wouldn't go as far as to say all comics (Marvel, DC, or what have you) are shit now. Granted, I later stopped being anti-SJW and became more progressive to a point, but still. shrug

It's hardly any different with Hollywood as a whole now too.

Well said.

Anyway, movies don't really need them to produce quality material - more than enough old stories to take inspiration from.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Marvel, DC, and all Western comics became mostly "SJW" eventually. They're not doing as well as they once used to due to a number of things, and compared to how much manga still sells it's embarrassingly bad where the culture war's concerned I guess, but I wouldn't go as far as to say all comics (Marvel, DC, or what have you) are shit now. Granted, I later stopped being anti-SJW and became more progressive to a point, but still. shrug


If you say so....

for me i just block that shit out when people bring up the SJW argument.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
I agree that it does have a shitload of influence.

I don't agree that Phase Four will put an end to it.

Okay, that's more fair.

Originally posted by Kazenji
They're not all shit, But folks on here have been injected with the anti-SJW drug.

A lot of them are pretty bad, to be fair.

I'm interested guys, please define "sjw". Also, I'm fascinated where do you all come across them and how do they affect your lives.

Well basically Whirly, SJW is the biggest threat to the free world today. And to comic books movies too.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
I'm interested guys, please define "sjw". Also, I'm fascinated where do you all come across them and how do they affect your lives.

I know you and I already talked about this so I'd be interested in seeing other people's takes.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
I'm interested guys, please define "sjw". Also, I'm fascinated where do you all come across them and how do they affect your lives.


Where do these "alt-right" people you often rant about come from? How do they affect your life?


I'd assume the answer is "Far away" and "Not at all."

Well, it was a nice thread while it lasted...

Originally posted by -Pr-
I know you and I already talked about this so I'd be interested in seeing other people's takes.


I'll answer you, and not Whirly.


This is my definitive SJW:

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/4E75/production/_121158002_gettyimages-1347735020.jpg



This is the transgender activist going hard after Dave Chappelle. She is a politician who ran for office, is demanding a complete overhaul of Netflix in a soft coup attempt, and has been caught saying many vile things against Asians.



Essentially she is a bigoted political opportunist who uses her cause to advance her career, and her quest for power.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Well, it was a nice thread while it lasted...

Originally posted by -Pr-
Well, it was a nice thread while it lasted...


😅

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
I'm interested guys, please define "sjw". Also, I'm fascinated where do you all come across them and how do they affect your lives. Yup, I'm interested in others opinions.Originally posted by cdtm
Where do these "alt-right" people you often rant about come from? How do they affect your life?


I'd assume the answer is "Far away" and "Not at all." Actually in South London growing up I had real nazi's the National Front and BNP HQ's. They are still quite active in other guises and we've had many race related murders and riots in the Bromley to Lambetg stretch, particularly in Eltham, Lewisham, Greenwich, Brixton and Southwerk. So, you know...

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Yup, I'm interested in others opinions. Actually in South London growing up I had real nazi's the National Front and BNP HQ's. They are still quite active in other guises and we've had many race related murders and riots in the Bromley to Lambetg stretch, particularly in Eltham, Lewisham, Greenwich, Brixton and Southwerk. So, you know...



Explains a lot.


See, I've never seen violent nazi types where I live. I knew a guy who proudly hung a swastika flag on his apartment, and knew MANY bigoted people, all of them bluster in private and salt of the earth in public.

Except for that one police officer who shouted at two young asian girls on a bus, something about lying on their backs. That was the worst example of violence I've ever seen.

Originally posted by cdtm
Explains a lot.


See, I've never seen violent nazi types where I live. I knew a guy who proudly hung a swastika flag on his apartment, and knew MANY bigoted people, all of them bluster in private and salt of the earth in public.

Except for that one police officer who shouted at two young asian girls on a bus, something about lying on their backs. That was the worst example of violence I've ever seen. it's not a nice thing to grow up seeing and experiencing. Thankfully, I've watch the crowds at the Den change for the better over the last 5 decades at least.

Originally posted by cdtm
I'll answer you, and not Whirly.


This is my definitive SJW:

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/4E75/production/_121158002_gettyimages-1347735020.jpg



This is the transgender activist going hard after Dave Chappelle. She is a politician who ran for office, is demanding a complete overhaul of Netflix in a soft coup attempt, and has been caught saying many vile things against Asians.



Essentially she is a bigoted political opportunist who uses her cause to advance her career, and her quest for power.

Briefly off topic, but honestly, as much as she real *******, some of those tweets were ****ing funny.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Okay, that's more fair.

They even tried making 616 Heimdall black... zero explanation, of course... but that didn't last long, fortunately.

Nick Fury Junior is bad enough.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
They even tried making 616 Heimdall black... zero explanation, of course... but that didn't last long, fortunately.

Nick Fury Junior is bad enough.


Distinctly remember 616 Aaron Heimdall black in the comics.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
They even tried making 616 Heimdall black... zero explanation, of course... but that didn't last long, fortunately.

Nick Fury Junior is bad enough.


This is from a few short years ago:

https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Thor-2014/Issue-6?id=7713&readType=0#8

Black Heimdall.

Unless he's white and it's the lighting, but he looks black to me. And he looked the same when Odin made him cry, well before the Jane thing. So what's this business about it not lasting long? Aaron's work spanned a LONG period, years of it.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
I'm interested guys, please define "sjw". Also, I'm fascinated where do you all come across them and how do they affect your lives.

SJW is a bad term.


I'll put it in my own terms:

A black woman goes back in time to Civil Rights era 1960's, gets attacked by groups of white racists.

A woman superheroine gets mansplained to, and puts the misogonistic turd in his place.

A gay hero goes back in time and meets his lover who is in the closet, his abusive homophobic uncle shows up and demands he punches the gay in the face.

A Muslim police officer fights back against alt-rights racists who want to drive Muslims out of New York.


This all happened in The Umbrella Academy, Captain Marvel, and an indy comic who's name I forget. None of this is something I enjoy reading about.


I don't actually enjoy politics, they just make me uneasy. I certainly don't want them in my escapism, as I use that stuff to forget about uneasy realities for awhile.


Now compare to anime Baki Hanma, Son of Ogre. Baki wants to beat up his father, who is the strongest man in the world and biggest douche. Baki kidnaps President George W. Bush Jr. specifically to get sent to a special maximum security prison, to pick a fight with a black man named Biscuit Oliva who is the strongest American in the world, who gets to eat filet mignon and smoke cuban cigars and drink vintage wine because otherwise he'd walk out of the prison. Biscuit is in turn in love with a white woman who looks to weigh 800 lbs, and loves her so dearly he keeps a handkerchief from her hometown in his pocket that she never even touched, but is from her area. Biscuit has a rival who looks just like Che Guevara, who is the second strongest person in the prison. They fight and cause earthquakes and lots of mass destruction.



It's ridiculous and stupid and over the top and at times even heart warming, and is entertaining.

The exact opposite of politics, which has never entertained me and never will.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!


Did you see them? Mostly awful, but there were some comedy gems in there.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
They even tried making 616 Heimdall black... zero explanation, of course... but that didn't last long, fortunately.

Nick Fury Junior is bad enough.

That's just a cluster****, yeah.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Did you see them? Mostly awful, but there were some comedy gems in there.



That's just a cluster****, yeah. No, I didn't see them. The whole Chappelle thing for me is a nothing burger blown up by silly people who are neither same left or right. It's like when Andy Gray got sacked at sky, really, was what he said that bad?

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
No, I didn't see them. The whole Chappelle thing for me is a nothing burger blown up by silly people who are neither same left or right. It's like when Andy Gray got sacked at sky, really, was what he said that bad?


He's a provacateur comedian. His whole shtick is being "that bad".

Originally posted by cdtm
He's a provacateur comedian. His whole shtick is being "that bad". Nah, he's a comedian. We have many much more offensive. Look up Roy "Chubby" Brown. Who is a cvnt.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
No, I didn't see them. The whole Chappelle thing for me is a nothing burger blown up by silly people who are neither same left or right. It's like when Andy Gray got sacked at sky, really, was what he said that bad?

I'd forgotten about that. ****ing hell. And then him and whatisname, the hairy guy, went and got massive paychecks from BEIN or one of those sports channels.

Title should be changed to "The MCU has too much flatulence".

All these arguments against the MCU were the same ones that came up after 1977, when Star Wars forever changed the movie business and made Fantasy & Science Fiction movies the top grossing genre ever since. Other filmmakers who didn't make genre films were complaining about Star Wars' influence over culture, but to no avail. Ultimately, it's always the popular audience that decides.

The MCU has changed the movie business too, and other studios are just following their franchise recipe. Its just that the comics are being shown as a weaker form of storytelling compared to the grandeur of live action production. We just didn't see it when comics were virtually all we had to follow the Marvel or DC Universe. Now, we have better options.

^ I agreed with all of that until you said that comics are a lesser artform than movies. I mean, artistically, Watchmen or Maus are still almost objectively more profound than any superhero movie could ever be.

And honestly, there are many comics version of Marvel stories that are imo more fun than what the movies did.