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A four-point surge in support for reversing the 2016 referendum means 53 per cent back membership in a survey by Savanta ComRes, with 47 per cent wanting to stay out of the EU.

And it hasn't bitten yet... 50% of any population are below average.

Fake news thread.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-rejoin-eu-shortages-polls-b1956786.html


A four-point surge in support for reversing the 2016 referendum means 53 per cent back membership in a survey by Savanta ComRes, with 47 per cent wanting to stay out of the EU.

And it hasn't bitten yet... 50% of any population are below average.

While I think it really would benefit them economically, I don't think enough people realise how ****ed they are, so I'm a bit wary of any kind of claims that Britain at large wants back in.

I mean, people are still ****ing whining about not being able to live in Spain and Portugal, and if they decide to vote back in, you know they're going to have conditions. Conditions the EU don't have to entertain at all.

if they **** with the GFA though, they'll lose any good will they have left.

Originally posted by -Pr-
While I think it really would benefit them economically, I don't think enough people realise how ****ed they are, so I'm a bit wary of any kind of claims that Britain at large wants back in.

I mean, people are still ****ing whining about not being able to live in Spain and Portugal, and if they decide to vote back in, you know they're going to have conditions. Conditions the EU don't have to entertain at all.

if they **** with the GFA though, they'll lose any good will they have left. Yeah but the slightly less stupid, stupid bigots are starting to cotton on imo.

The RINO equivalents are irrelevant. Brexit is over, the right side of history won.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Yeah but the slightly less stupid, stupid bigots are starting to cotton on imo.

Implying that everyone that voted leave was some kind of bigot? Come on, now. Yes, more racists voted leave than stay. Just don't tar everyone with the same brush, is all.

Originally posted by cdtm
The RINO equivalents are irrelevant. Brexit is over, the right side of history won.

I realise you only do that to be a contrarian, but that knowledge didn't save you last time, and it won't next time.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Implying that everyone that voted leave was some kind of bigot? Come on, now. Yes, more racists voted leave than stay. Just don't tar everyone with the same brush, is all.



I realise you only do that to be a contrarian, but that knowledge didn't save you last time, and it won't next time.

You were absolutely right to ban me last time, no hard feelings there.

It's your prerogative to do so again if you feel I crossed a line. Objectively speaking though, is being pro-brexit (Or even a full in right wing blowhard) really ban worthy like naked racism is?


Just asking, I'll try and be good.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Implying that everyone that voted leave was some kind of bigot? Come on, now. Yes, more racists voted leave than stay. Just don't tar everyone with the same brush, is all.

Who was Farrage targeting with this poster.





I realise you only do that to be a contrarian, but that knowledge didn't save you last time, and it won't next time. https://i.imgur.com/WhzJPSz.jpg

Most people I know who voted leave are white men and women 45-80 from South London...

https://i.imgur.com/VGieTiKm.png

Plenty of women and minoritie are anti-vax. Somehow, anti-vaxers are assumed as white and old.

Originally posted by cdtm
You were absolutely right to ban me last time, no hard feelings there.

It's your prerogative to do so again if you feel I crossed a line. Objectively speaking though, is being pro-brexit (Or even a full in right wing blowhard) really ban worthy like naked racism is?


Just asking, I'll try and be good.

It depends on why.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
https://i.imgur.com/WhzJPSz.jpg

Most people I know who voted leave are white men and women 45-80 from South London...

I never said racists didn't vote leave, though, white or not. Plenty of brown people voted to leave too. I'm sure some of them were racist too, but let's not pretend that Britain was this magical utopia in the EU. The EU in many ways is the lesser of two evils, as opposed to being some kind of utopia.

Originally posted by Klaw
https://i.imgur.com/VGieTiKm.png This could be how it ends up.

Originally posted by -Pr-
It depends on why.



I never said racists didn't vote leave, though, white or not. Plenty of brown people voted to leave too. I'm sure some of them were racist too, but let's not pretend that Britain was this magical utopia in the EU. The EU in many ways is the lesser of two evils, as opposed to being some kind of utopia. It is more than the lesser of two evils imo. And yes, no doubt many Priti Patel types did.

Originally posted by -Pr-
It depends on why.



I never said racists didn't vote leave, though, white or not. Plenty of brown people voted to leave too. I'm sure some of them were racist too, but let's not pretend that Britain was this magical utopia in the EU. The EU in many ways is the lesser of two evils, as opposed to being some kind of utopia.


I mean, I get what you're saying. Legitimate abominable statements are at least honest protected speech while playing saying incendiary stuff can be a form of trolling. Lets be real though, Whirly is 90% button pushing. I suspect America is a whipping for for him (Granted we can be an easy target, but he really likes to dig at those wounds)


I do also think playing "devil's advocate" can be good for discussion though, in a world of echo chambers. Who else is going to say Brexit is good, or even justifiable, besides maybe Lone Ranger?


And I do at least try and research the good points of a talking point, like what there is to be gained from Brexit, if anything.

Although they won't admit it, the reason was obviously having more control of North sea oil (and fish).

This is why a lot of remainers thought we were simply going to be in the EEA like Norway and Iceland, but there's more to it than that, like expanding trade with North America and Australasia. Not so much a return to the British empire, but stronger connections with those countries.

Don't get me wrong, I love Europe, but I hate the EU. Their plan was a pipeline from Russia to Europe for cheap oil because Britain kept saying "you're not taking our oil" and the final nail was when Putin flat old told the EU, "you're not taking our oil."

There is of course the immigration crisis and the Irish border, but can we at least discuss the elephant in the room that this whole debacle was about oil?

Didn't realize having a pro-brexit mentality was something u could get in trouble with mods over. I'm not really surpised though.

Brexit was such a pointless act of self-mutilation, it is almost mind-boggling to think about. It's good to see that more and more Britons are starting to realize that.

Nah. It was right thing to do for them.

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
Brexit was such a pointless act of self-mutilation, it is almost mind-boggling to think about. It's good to see that more and more Britons are starting to realize that. It's not that. Honestly, we all forgot about Northern Ireland

Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
Didn't realize having a pro-brexit mentality was something u could get in trouble with mods over. I'm not really surpised though. durmask How many times have you guys tried and failed to guilt trip the mods here with some made up bias... *cringe* They really aren't stupid people flystar.

It'll be ok, wittle pooty.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
It is more than the lesser of two evils imo. And yes, no doubt many Priti Patel types did.

I agree that being in the EU is better than not being in the EU. How much, though? Sure, we could debate that.

Originally posted by cdtm
I mean, I get what you're saying. Legitimate abominable statements are at least honest protected speech while playing saying incendiary stuff can be a form of trolling. Lets be real though, Whirly is 90% button pushing. I suspect America is a whipping for for him (Granted we can be an easy target, but he really likes to dig at those wounds)


I do also think playing "devil's advocate" can be good for discussion though, in a world of echo chambers. Who else is going to say Brexit is good, or even justifiable, besides maybe Lone Ranger?


And I do at least try and research the good points of a talking point, like what there is to be gained from Brexit, if anything.

It depends. Sometimes he is, sometimes he isn't. He's like anyone else in this part of the board. No reason to single him out.

Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
Didn't realize having a pro-brexit mentality was something u could get in trouble with mods over. I'm not really surpised though.

facepalm

Don't tell lies. Even someone like you should know better.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I agree that being in the EU is better than not being in the EU. How much, though? Sure, we could debate that.



It depends. Sometimes he is, sometimes he isn't. He's like anyone else in this part of the board. No reason to single him out.



facepalm

Don't tell lies. Even someone like you should know better.

Never seen him take a ban though. 😅

Originally posted by cdtm
Never seen him take a ban though. 😅


Didn't one of the mods ban both Rob and Whirly for a couple of days as a birthday present to someone else? I know Rob did but I thought Whirly got it too.

Originally posted by samhain
Didn't one of the mods ban both Rob and Whirly for a couple of days as a birthday present to someone else? I know Rob did but I thought Whirly got it too. Yup, they love this false equalisation thing and the mods are well aware who does what.

Can we get back on topic, please?

There have been many Brexit threads on here yet you people insist on creating new ones just to throw poo at each other.

Ffs.

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
Brexit was such a pointless act of self-mutilation, it is almost mind-boggling to think about. It's good to see that more and more Britons are starting to realize that. Bingo!

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Yup, they love this false equalisation thing and the mods are well aware who does what.

Np one gave me a birthday gift ban.


This last November 8 no one even wished a happy birthday. Stilt knew, he's a facebook buddy, not a word.

Originally posted by cdtm
Never seen him take a ban though. 😅

You're kidding, right?

Originally posted by Blakemore
Can we get back on topic, please?

There have been many Brexit threads on here yet you people insist on creating new ones just to throw poo at each other.

Ffs.

I just wish they gave more of a shit about Northern Ireland. The behaviour from Westminster has been disgraceful.

Originally posted by cdtm
Np one gave me a birthday gift ban.


This last November 8 no one even wished a happy birthday. Stilt knew, he's a facebook buddy, not a word. Happy belated, birthday.

And now the bizarre derailment starts.

Originally posted by -Pr-
You're kidding, right?



I just wish they gave more of a shit about Northern Ireland. The behaviour from Westminster has been disgraceful. Hypothetically, if the Tories continue their downward spiral, this could put the DUP and Libdems in a unique position of power.

DUP want to keep the union with the UK, Libdems want to keep the union with Europe. Now if there was some sort of compromise (which Theresa May, I believe was trying to do, then we'd have a plan forward. Keep open border between both for NI but restriction to new EU immigrants from NI via EU to GB like say, 5 years? It'd keep a stricter immigration on GB and keep open borders on the island of Ireland whilst maintaining free trade between NI and Ireland. Besides, Ireland uses the Euro, so there's already an economic difference between them.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
And now the bizarre derailment starts. Considering how often you've derailed threads you have no room to be complaining.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
And now the bizarre derailment starts.


I am the provocateur's provacateur.


Maybe I was Socrates in a past life, pissing off all the elites and voluntarily drinking hemlock.

Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
Happy belated, birthday.

Thanks!

Originally posted by -Pr-
You're kidding, right?







Aside from the volunteer gift, I have never seen a mod action.


To my recollection.

At the moment.

Originally posted by cdtm
Aside from the volunteer gift, I have never seen a mod action.


To my recollection.

At the moment. Ahh, same old, same old stuff. From you guys.

Pr, look at this here:


https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/11/12/opinions/kyle-rittenhouse-crying-ahmaud-arbery-killed-joseph/index.html

The writer is a professor with a PHD and joint professorship in civil rights and women's rights movements. He argues that Kyle and a gun represents white racist beliefs, while the way blacks with guns gets treated represents oppression.


This is an infurating argument because it sets a double standard no matter how you look at it. The argument being that whites and blacks can never be judged the same for doing the same thing.


Take riots. Black activists actually justify rioting by blacks because it is seen as a response to racism. You can loot, or burn down buildings, or even murder, and its all a cause and effect from a history caused by white racists.




And my problem isn't even about fairness or double standards that I feel affects me personally, not really. I'm just wondering where the heck the dialog is, exactly? I mean, what is there to discuss? When the argument is "Everything is your fault", that isn't really leaving much room for a dialog.


And people naturally shut down when they get cornered like this. If all you get is a double finger and a "**** you" from even trying to engage, you'll either shut down or lash out. That's just human nature.



For my part, I've responded by not caring anymore. So I'm a racist, fine. I'll be a racist.


**** it.

Originally posted by cdtm
Aside from the volunteer gift, I have never seen a mod action.


To my recollection.

At the moment.

Whirly is arguably the most banned poster ever. Or he was at one point.

Originally posted by cdtm
Pr, look at this here:


https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/11/12/opinions/kyle-rittenhouse-crying-ahmaud-arbery-killed-joseph/index.html

The writer is a professor with a PHD and joint professorship in civil rights and women's rights movements. He argues that Kyle and a gun represents white racist beliefs, while the way blacks with guns gets treated represents oppression.


This is an infurating argument because it sets a double standard no matter how you look at it. The argument being that whites and blacks can never be judged the same for doing the same thing.


Take riots. Black activists actually justify rioting by blacks because it is seen as a response to racism. You can loot, or burn down buildings, or even murder, and its all a cause and effect from a history caused by white racists.




And my problem isn't even about fairness or double standards that I feel affects me personally, not really. I'm just wondering where the heck the dialog is, exactly? I mean, what is there to discuss? When the argument is "Everything is your fault", that isn't really leaving much room for a dialog.


And people naturally shut down when they get cornered like this. If all you get is a double finger and a "**** you" from even trying to engage, you'll either shut down or lash out. That's just human nature.



For my part, I've responded by not caring anymore. So I'm a racist, fine. I'll be a racist.


**** it.

Sir, this is a Wendy's- I mean, a Brexit thread. Please get back on topic.

Originally posted by Blakemore
Hypothetically, if the Tories continue their downward spiral, this could put the DUP and Libdems in a unique position of power.

DUP want to keep the union with the UK, Libdems want to keep the union with Europe. Now if there was some sort of compromise (which Theresa May, I believe was trying to do, then we'd have a plan forward. Keep open border between both for NI but restriction to new EU immigrants from NI via EU to GB like say, 5 years? It'd keep a stricter immigration on GB and keep open borders on the island of Ireland whilst maintaining free trade between NI and Ireland. Besides, Ireland uses the Euro, so there's already an economic difference between them.

The DUP are some of the biggest idiots I've ever seen. Them having any more power at all would be disastrous.

I genuinely don't think they're going to do anything bar eventually, after years pissing and moaning, just hand Nothern Ireland back to Ireland.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Whirly is arguably the most banned poster ever. Or he was at one point.



Sir, this is a Wendy's- I mean, a Brexit thread. Please get back on topic.



The DUP are some of the biggest idiots I've ever seen. Them having any more power at all would be disastrous.

I genuinely don't think they're going to do anything bar eventually, after years pissing and moaning, just hand Nothern Ireland back to Ireland. I agree with you on the DUP. The one time they had a glimmer of power in Westminster and they ruin everything.

On the other hand, I think the Lib Dems are focusing on it. Alistair Carmichael is spokesperson for Home Affairs, Northern Ireland and Constitutional and political reform. A senior figure focusing on those issues implies they're focusing on the NI question. I personally welcome a united Ireland, with a few asterisks like I mentioned before. It's just, how do we structure the referendum, if there is one?

Originally posted by -Pr-
Whirly is arguably the most banned poster ever. Or he was at one point.



Sir, this is a Wendy's- I mean, a Brexit thread. Please get back on topic.



The DUP are some of the biggest idiots I've ever seen. Them having any more power at all would be disastrous.

I genuinely don't think they're going to do anything bar eventually, after years pissing and moaning, just hand Nothern Ireland back to Ireland. possibly? Love you mate!

And yeah, DUP are utter *****.

CUM AT ME BRUH

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
possibly? Love you mate!

And yeah, DUP are utter *****.


Had to look up who they are.


Democratic Unionist Party.



So they're Democrats! E.g. lefties, socialists, commies, hippies!


The enemy of the right!





.........why is everyone calliing them right wing?

Originally posted by cdtm
Pr, look at this here:


https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/11/12/opinions/kyle-rittenhouse-crying-ahmaud-arbery-killed-joseph/index.html

The writer is a professor with a PHD and joint professorship in civil rights and women's rights movements. He argues that Kyle and a gun represents white racist beliefs, while the way blacks with guns gets treated represents oppression.


This is an infurating argument because it sets a double standard no matter how you look at it. The argument being that whites and blacks can never be judged the same for doing the same thing.


Take riots. Black activists actually justify rioting by blacks because it is seen as a response to racism. You can loot, or burn down buildings, or even murder, and its all a cause and effect from a history caused by white racists.




And my problem isn't even about fairness or double standards that I feel affects me personally, not really. I'm just wondering where the heck the dialog is, exactly? I mean, what is there to discuss? When the argument is "Everything is your fault", that isn't really leaving much room for a dialog.


And people naturally shut down when they get cornered like this. If all you get is a double finger and a "**** you" from even trying to engage, you'll either shut down or lash out. That's just human nature.



For my part, I've responded by not caring anymore. So I'm a racist, fine. I'll be a racist.


**** it.

Virtually the entire world is run by White Men. This means as the majority ruler, you have to take the s**t that comes your way with the sins of history; they keep repeating and you have to work to create a better world until it stops.

I don't believe I'm a racist either. But I know I'm a member of the least prejudiced group in the world - the White Anglo-Saxon Christian Male (who's also not fat, short or balding) and I recognize my privilege. I also don't want this privilege, because I believe in a fair & equal society and don't want it to be a lie.

That's why I stand with groups like BLM, because their gripes and beliefs are real.

And I will also criticize people like Jussie Smollett for staging a hate crime for cockamamie reasons.

It's a really simple philosophy - Do The Right Thing, as Da Mayor once put it.

Originally posted by roughrider
Virtually the entire world is run by White Men. This means as the majority ruler, you have to take the s**t that comes your way with the sins of history; they keep repeating and you have to work to create a better world until it stops.

I don't believe I'm a racist either. But I know I'm a member of the least prejudiced group in the world - the White Anglo-Saxon Christian Male (who's also not fat, short or balding) and I recognize my privilege. I also don't want this privilege, because I believe in a fair & equal society and don't want it to be a lie.

That's why I stand with groups like BLM, because their gripes and beliefs are real.

And I will also criticize people like Jussie Smollett for staging a hate crime for cockamamie reasons.

It's a really simple philosophy - Do The Right Thing, as Da Mayor once put it. Bingo!

Originally posted by roughrider
Virtually the entire world is run by White Men. This means as the majority ruler, you have to take the s**t that comes your way with the sins of history; they keep repeating and you have to work to create a better world until it stops.

I don't believe I'm a racist either. But I know I'm a member of the least prejudiced group in the world - the White Anglo-Saxon Christian Male (who's also not fat, short or balding) and I recognize my privilege. I also don't want this privilege, because I believe in a fair & equal society and don't want it to be a lie.

That's why I stand with groups like BLM, because their gripes and beliefs are real.

And I will also criticize people like Jussie Smollett for staging a hate crime for cockamamie reasons.

It's a really simple philosophy - Do The Right Thing, as Da Mayor once put it. What's wrong with being bald?

Originally posted by roughrider
Virtually the entire world is run by White Men. This means as the majority ruler, you have to take the s**t that comes your way with the sins of history; they keep repeating and you have to work to create a better world until it stops.

I don't believe I'm a racist either. But I know I'm a member of the least prejudiced group in the world - the White Anglo-Saxon Christian Male (who's also not fat, short or balding) and I recognize my privilege. I also don't want this privilege, because I believe in a fair & equal society and don't want it to be a lie.

That's why I stand with groups like BLM, because their gripes and beliefs are real.

And I will also criticize people like Jussie Smollett for staging a hate crime for cockamamie reasons.

It's a really simple philosophy - Do The Right Thing, as Da Mayor once put it.
Massive swathes of the world are not run by white men. Even if they were, no one is obligated to put up with racist shit, especially if you are just a regular person trying to get on with your life. No one is obligated to simply put up with riots, destruction of property or worse, especially if they are just an ordinary person trying to survive in this world.

So yes, do the right thing, but don't take shit from anyone either.

Look, I think we all know that a lot of white Europeans went to 5 continents and got rich from it.

Originally posted by Blakemore
Look, I think we all know that a lot of white Europeans went to 5 continents and got rich from it.
True, but far from all of them(or even the majority, really) and they have not been in charge for quite a while now.

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
True, but far from all of them(or even the majority, really) and they have not been in charge for quite a while now. I thought you were going to say that a lot of the atrocities were done by non-whites, which is also true.