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Only combat fts are applicable here since this is a combat showing. If you throw out a name, please provide scans showing them fighting at these speeds, CONSISTENTLY. The seconds you see here, multiple combat scenarios were done as shown on panel. Flashes are excluded...

https://ibb.co/QcQrc75
https://ibb.co/5sNK7w5
https://ibb.co/JRwRXTp
https://ibb.co/XXY6WVw

Who can combat this fast or have COMBAT fts showing they can join in on this H2H fight with no issues. Casually.

manga portrays speed better

but gladiator could do it

Show me

the meaning of being lonely

Pre-Crisis Superman did it.

He did? Show me

Here's a scan.

https://m.imgur.com/a/nOeX9

Read the OP

Anyone have scans of Superman fighting Rogol Zaar? Kal and Zod literally freezing time while having a conversation was pretty impressive.

Originally posted by Stoic
Anyone have scans of Superman fighting Rogol Zaar?

Sure, enjoy:

https://image.ibb.co/gZO24d/cw011.jpg

https://image.ibb.co/cJDfqJ/cw004.jpg

https://image.ibb.co/iTpaPd/1231231221.jpg

Originally posted by Stoic
Anyone have scans of Superman fighting Rogol Zaar? Kal and Zod literally freezing time while having a conversation was pretty impressive.

On this level impressive?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Sure, enjoy:

https://image.ibb.co/gZO24d/cw011.jpg

https://image.ibb.co/cJDfqJ/cw004.jpg

https://image.ibb.co/iTpaPd/1231231221.jpg

Silver Surfer vs Durok the Demolisher.

https://images.app.goo.gl/svnqW63FCx1yXWu78

Lmao... no.

Originally posted by carver9
On this level impressive?

It was stated on panel that the fight was at superspeed. Definitely nowhere near this level tho.

Originally posted by carver9
Only combat fts are applicable here since this is a combat showing. If you throw out a name, please provide scans showing them fighting at these speeds, CONSISTENTLY. The seconds you see here, multiple combat scenarios were done as shown on panel. Flashes are excluded...

https://ibb.co/QcQrc75
https://ibb.co/5sNK7w5
https://ibb.co/JRwRXTp
https://ibb.co/XXY6WVw

Who can combat this fast or have COMBAT fts showing they can join in on this H2H fight with no issues. Casually.

Just for those wondering, the notation 00:00'00''00'''01 is likely referring to Hour:Minute'Second''Hundredth second'''Thousandth second, or in other words, they are fighting in milliseconds.

Just throwing that out there, carry on. As a reference point, here is Iron Man working on millisecond levels:

https://i.imgur.com/7fA5l6a.png

Quicksilver operating on even less than that:
https://i.imgur.com/4nslUI1.png

Just to give an idea of the scales in comics.

Dark, we both know those scans are nowhere near this level

Didn't Ares fight Nate Grey on a Planck-length time scale?

Don't think that's what happened.

Originally posted by carver9
Dark, we both know those scans are nowhere near this level

Never said they were.

I am telling people not to be sucked in by the pretty pictures alone. It looks flashy and cool, but in reality, that's just how the art is depicted in different mediums.

For example, in the recent JL arc with Black Adam (the one you, qwerty and I debated about), the entire fight took place at superspeed (as per Naomi) - but one wouldn't have guessed, because the art didn't show it. Hell, in my Iron Man scan it shows him reacting in milliseconds, but you wouldn't have known from the art. Delete the words, and you'd never know.

Orion can perceive things in microseconds, so that's like....a thousand times faster than in your scans. But the art doesn't show it like that.

People are throwing names out like Surfer, Superman - elites. Your own OP says no Flashes. But what my post was pointing out, even Iron Man has feats on a millisecond level, let alone Quicksilver who is far above that (try throwing a punch, Vs tying a knot - which is faster to do?)

No where near this level and we actually see an outside image of the fight and beams of light were everywhere due to how fast they were fighting which is an indication that they were doing multiple tasks while moving at those speed. It's not just a single attack at a millisecond, it's multiple attacks at much higher speeds. No elites have this type of showing I can think of.

Again - the scans clearly state the fights taking place in terms of milliseconds. They are doing a lot of things, in the timeframe of milliseconds.

Which is impressive, sure, but as I showed even Quicksilver does lots of things, but he can do it thousands of times faster.

Originally posted by Glorificus
Didn't Ares fight Nate Grey on a Planck-length time scale?

But it wasn't a speed feat, it was Ares being a personification of war existing on every plane blah blah blah that allowed him to face Nate, even though it should be impossible.

Magic being bullshit feat that still didn't save the character from getting his ass kicked 4867 times.

Right. For those who get swayed by pretty pictures....

These are the scans in OP:
https://i.postimg.cc/RFtNg96b/Mili.jpg

Note the time. It takes them....6 milliseconds to do all those attacks (let's assume they're doing more than just the usual anime/manga fighting if just flying and clashing at each other).

Familiarise yourselves with these orders of magnitude:

https://i.postimg.cc/brndqqzS/Magnitude.jpg

6 milliseconds is a very short period of time indeed. You could imagine dividing a single second into 1000 periods - that's a millisecond.

Here is Gladiator and Hyperion (as an example) fighting in NANOSECONDS:
https://i.postimg.cc/JhVwbL8h/Glad.jpg

Note how the art doesn't look as impressive. No flashy light trails, or afterimages, or anything like that.

But Glad and Hype are LITERALLY (not hypothetically, not metaphorically, not figuratively, not hyperbole, literally) a million times faster in their scan. A nanosecond is a billionth of a second, Vs OP which is *only* a thousandth of a second.

It's just different art styles. This is like arguing who is stronger, then basing your judgement on Liefeld's art and saying so and so is stronger with bigger muscles.

I'm not even going to get into femto and attoseconds, lol. Even microseconds is a thousand times shorter than a millisecond.

Yeah, unless carter will disqualify it because he's not fighting, which he probably will even if he knows he doesn't have a legitimate argument, Superman moving casually when Hal slowed time down and the whole scene took place in a fraction of a nanosecond makes this example embarrassingly slow by comparison.

GG carter.

Hmmm, Didnt Superman also coordinate Kingdom Come Superman in a nanosecond while fighting Gog?

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Hmmm, Didnt Superman also coordinate Kingdom Come Superman in a nanosecond while fighting Gog?

Something like that. I actually think the example I gave is better given it seems a few minutes go by in the space of less than a nanosecond. There's also him moving the baby the antimatter universe Brainiac......was reborn in or whatever the **** was going on. It's flight he's using however given him analyisizing the situation and all that, perceptions wise it's a relevant speed feat in about a namosecond, given all that happens.

He figures there's going to be a huge discharge of energy in about a nanosecond, then travels to his Fortress(though this was the one in a tesseract) like looked like a mile or so to me, and it actually went off earlier than anticipated. Remember, the distance traveled happens after he analyzed the situation, which was "I have about a nanosecond" so he figured it out in way less.

Originally posted by Delta1938
Something like that. I actually think the example I gave is better given it seems a few minutes go by in the space of less than a nanosecond. There's also him moving the baby the antimatter universe Brainiac......was reborn in or whatever the **** was going on. It's flight he's using however given him analyisizing the situation and all that, perceptions wise it's a relevant speed feat in about a namosecond, given all that happens.

He figures there's going to be a huge discharge of energy in about a nanosecond, then travels to his Fortress(though this was the one in a tesseract) like looked like a mile or so to me, and it actually went off earlier than anticipated. Remember, the distance traveled happens after he analyzed the situation, which was "I have about a nanosecond" so he figured it out in way less.
Yeah, Superman was basically doing a countdown in that scene. Like if Im running while consciously counting 1 to 10. Then Im definitely using my perceptions to do so

And for Superman a fraction of nanosecond scene, I believe it actually was far more impressive once you factoring the time-stop part

From my interpretation Hal's time dilation is so potent it actually became a time suspension

"For a fraction of a nanosecond.....An instant suspended between eternities of past and future....Time Suspension"
https://imgur.com/a/W8zLDZW
https://imgur.com/a/1c8pTn8

This also didnt beyond Superman capacity
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Bump

I know the discussion was over. But I want to add some information about the FC scene

Flashes already had reached lightspeed/time-stop velocity BEFORE they passed by Superman, As it clearly states in the Essential Edition copy

"Only we can divert those omega finder beams! At lightspeed time stops! Death too! Flash fact!"
"We DID it wally! Now go!"
https://ibb.co/S6YPYkP

Combining the fact that even in this copy Barry explicitly states they need to go FTL speed to survive Darkseid's singularity. And we all know they did
https://ibb.co/vVxJzv3

So even if you want to lowball this scene as hard as possible, Superman at least performed a lightspeed reaction if not FTL

But I think Im digressing. But anyway, Superman definitely has feats to support he can repeat the feat OP was asking

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Yeah, Superman was basically doing a countdown in that scene. Like if Im running while consciously counting 1 to 10. Then Im definitely using my perceptions to do so

And for Superman a fraction of nanosecond scene, I believe it actually was far more impressive once you factoring the time-stop part

From my interpretation Hal's time dilation is so potent it actually became a time suspension

"For a fraction of a nanosecond.....An instant suspended between eternities of past and future....Time Suspension"
https://imgur.com/a/W8zLDZW
https://imgur.com/a/1c8pTn8



I agree if we take it literally, but I'm being conservative on it because even doing that it's a ridiculous feat, for Pre-Kryptonite-X levels, that few can even compete against. And that's the lowball.

@darksaint. Maybe I'm looking too much into it, but it appears they were moving at high speeds even before the clock started. Implying speeds beyond the clock.

Originally posted by Booya_69
@darksaint. Maybe I'm looking too much into it, but it appears they were moving at high speeds even before the clock started. Implying speeds beyond the clock.

That wouldn't matter. The point being they're doing a LOT of actions in the space of milliseconds - unless they slowed down when the clock started, their speed before the clock starts would also be millisecond level, at best.

Which, ANY comic character capable of microsecond level actions could replicate, and any character with NANOsecond level reactions definitely can replicate. Let alone the Pico and atto etc guys.

Edit: moreover, you're looking too much into it. The scans show as time goes by more and more light trails appearing, which means they're getting faster (but still in millisecond timeframes).

Edit edit: I mean, even Thor (before amps) can move in microseconds. A thousand times faster than the scan Carv showed:

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11123/111230790/4712682-9401742680-is-th.jpg

THOR.

Lol. Fair enough 👍

But their speeds were increasing, exponentially, within those milliseconds.

Originally posted by carver9
But their speeds were increasing, exponentially, within those milliseconds.

That's a contradictory statement.

Originally posted by carver9
Only combat fts are applicable here since this is a combat showing. If you throw out a name, please provide scans showing them fighting at these speeds, CONSISTENTLY. The seconds you see here, multiple combat scenarios were done as shown on panel. Flashes are excluded...

https://ibb.co/QcQrc75
https://ibb.co/5sNK7w5
https://ibb.co/JRwRXTp
https://ibb.co/XXY6WVw

Who can combat this fast or have COMBAT fts showing they can join in on this H2H fight with no issues. Casually.

microsecond feat at best.
13 thousand streaks (just guessing) in 13 thousandths of a second is about 1 streak per microsecond.

Originally posted by h1a8
microsecond feat at best.
13 thousand streaks (just guessing) in 13 thousandths of a second is about 1 streak per microsecond.

Them leaving trails of light after their movements puts this above microseconds though. It's 100% above light speed because one of the contestants in this battle was using his maximum speed (light speed) and the other 2 were accelerating past that.

Originally posted by -Pr-
That's a contradictory statement.

Wouldn't say it's contradicting since it was outright said on panel.

Lol...y create threads when you can't unbiased?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Lol...y create threads when you can't unbiased?

Please get off KMC and come to bed. 🤦🏿

So is the feat who can leave pretty trails of light behind them in the sky as they fly? Then agreed, none of the characters named so far can do it (not even the Flashes, as they can't fly).

Maybe The Ray? Spectrum? GL? Those guys can fly and create pretty light trails. Otherwise, the text is clear. Basing your judgement off art is like saying Frank Miller's Batman is the strongest Batman because he's drawn more muscly.

Silly.

Originally posted by carver9
Wouldn't say it's contradicting since it was outright said on panel.

I looked at the four pages you posted. I didn't see them say what you said. Mind showing me?

And it's still contradictory. You can't have exponential growth while still being in milliseconds.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I looked at the four pages you posted. I didn't see them say what you said. Mind showing me?

And it's still contradictory. You can't have exponential growth while still being in milliseconds.
Well, you can. It's just that for small t, exponential growth is pretty much indistinguishable from linear growth: exp(t) ≈ 1 + t (for small t).

Example. For t = 0.001 we have:
exp(0.001) = 1.0010005...
1 + 0.001 = 1.001
(Almost the same.)

Originally posted by Magnon
Well, you can. It's just that for small t, exponential growth is pretty much indistinguishable from linear growth: exp(t) ≈ 1 + t (for small t).

Example. For t = 0.001 we have:
exp(0.001) = 1.0010005...
1 + 0.001 = 1.001
(Almost the same.)

You and your semantics.

Originally posted by carver9
Them leaving trails of light after their movements puts this above microseconds though. It's 100% above light speed because one of the contestants in this battle was using his maximum speed (light speed) and the other 2 were accelerating past that.

And yet we have a time frame that doesn't help your case. Unless light is just slow there.

Relying on art alone is too dangerous.

Here, Hal Jordan is explicitly at the speed of sound (ok, slightly above, as he breaks the sound barrier). Note the light trail.

https://i.postimg.cc/ryCbsFTN/GzkFNAW.jpg.

So if I edited the words out, and we just looked at the pictures, as per the logic used, him leaving a light trail would mean he's superfast. But he isn't (not relative to comics, anyway).

If leaving a light trail means lightspeed, Cannonball just got a massive upgrade

More like Cannon...Lightball, am I right?

It's why Hal's nickname is "Highball". His speed is very high. How high? Nobody knows.

You all probably need to read the scan, lmao. You're trying waaaayyyy to hard without looking at the details of what is going on. Most of you, I've seen better....

https://ibb.co/JRwRXTp

Originally posted by carver9
You all probably need to read the scan, lmao. You're trying waaaayyyy to hard without looking at the details of what is going on. Most of you, I've seen better....

https://ibb.co/JRwRXTp

So you tell me how fast it was, with proof. Light trails are not proof, as I have clearly shown just going over the speed of sound is enough to create a trail.

At the very best, it's h1's microsecond level feat - which means Thor can replicate it. At best.

Instead of calling it trails, I would call it beams of light since that is obviously what it is. DENSE beams of light. These are beams of light created after their movement. Nothing in those wack mentionings, Cannonball leaving TRAILS from his blast or Superman flying around leaving images is anything close to what I've shown. They were mentioned leaving beams of LIGHT after their movement. DENSE beams of light. Try harder.

Originally posted by carver9
Instead of calling it trails, I would call it beams of light since that is obviously what it is. DENSE beams of light. These are beams of light created after their movement. Nothing in those wack mentionings, Cannonball leaving TRAILS from his blast or Superman flying around leaving images is anything close to what I've shown. They were mentioned leaving beams of LIGHT after their movement. DENSE beams of light. Try harder.
Carver, you do know GL's powers are also light-based right?

"Leaving beams of light". Not leaving trails. I think theirs a difference in both.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Carver, you do know GL's powers are also light-based right?

Yes. Please let me know what is your point.

Dark is obviously trolling, lmao. Guess I don't need to respond to him on this.

Originally posted by carver9
"Leaving beams of light". Not leaving trails. I think theirs a difference in both.

You are getting confused.

I am NOT using things like, say, Mjolnir:
https://i.imgur.com/QmV9BDY.jpg

That's a trail. I am NOT using it.

I am using LIGHT BEAMS. GL's, specifically, at supersonic speeds:
https://i.postimg.cc/ryCbsFTN/GzkFNAW.jpg

You're confused. Had I used Mjolnir in the above scan, you'd have a point. But I didn't.

The Mjlonir scan, is that hard, dense, light beams?

GL attacks ARE made of light. We have beings that are PHYSICALLY creating light from their movements, LIGHT from their movement. Light BEAMS from their movement. They do not have energy attacks, none of that. They are simply moving so fast that light BEAMS from their movements are being generated. None of your scans apply.

Green Lanterns are also light-based

https://ibb.co/0myfcrW

Also, Their beams are defined as lightspeed FYI

https://ibb.co/yy6Fb0L
https://ibb.co/D9q8hQn

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
You are getting confused.

I am NOT using things like, say, Mjolnir:
https://i.imgur.com/QmV9BDY.jpg

That's a trail. I am NOT using it.

I am using LIGHT BEAMS. GL's, specifically, at supersonic speeds:
https://i.postimg.cc/ryCbsFTN/GzkFNAW.jpg

You're confused. Had I used Mjolnir in the above scan, you'd have a point. But I didn't.
Also, GL's beams are defined as lightspeed

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Green Lanterns are also light-based

https://ibb.co/0myfcrW

Also, Their beams are defined as lightspeed FYI

https://ibb.co/yy6Fb0L
https://ibb.co/D9q8hQn

🤦🏿... this is sad. Tell me the difference. Hal Jordan shoots a blast of light from his ring and we see the green blast of light coming out of his ring hitting Grundy.

Flash moves so fast that he leaves a beam of DENSE light behind him.

One is shooting a beam of light and the other is moving so fast that he creates a beam of light. Is there a difference?

Originally posted by carver9
The Mjlonir scan, is that hard, dense, light beams?

GL attacks ARE made of light. We have beings that are PHYSICALLY creating light from their movements, LIGHT from their movement. Light BEAMS from their movement. They do not have energy attacks, none of that. They are simply moving so fast that light BEAMS from their movements are being generated. None of your scans apply.

As I said before - I am NOT using Mjolnir, lmao. Then you try and argue against using Mjolnir. SMH.

READ my posts. STOP just looking at the pretty pictures.

So now the feat has changed. And you are asking who is fast enough to create light from just their sheer movement?

I mean....as that is physically impossible, as Smurph said, it's impossible to quantify. Unless you are referring to the air friction being high enough to generate light? I mean, the Space Shuttle moves so fast at re-entry, it starts creating light - that's about 17,500 mph. So fast, but not THAT fast.

Originally posted by carver9
🤦🏿... this is sad. Tell me the difference. Hal Jordan shoots a blast of light from his ring and we see the green blast of light coming out of his ring hitting Grundy.

Flash moves so fast that he leaves a beam of DENSE light behind him.

One is shooting a beam of light and the other is moving so fast that he creates a beam of light. Is there a difference?

Originally posted by carver9
Instead of calling it trails, I would call it beams of light since that is obviously what it is. DENSE beams of light. These are beams of light created after their movement. Nothing in those wack mentionings, Cannonball leaving TRAILS from his blast or Superman flying around leaving images is anything close to what I've shown. They were mentioned leaving beams of LIGHT after their movement. DENSE beams of light. Try harder.

Re-read your own scans, lmao. Nowhere does it say they are creating a dense beam of light behind them. The text is referring to the dense network of light trails that they are creating over the course of milliseconds.

Lol.

It states an incredibly DENSE structure across the sky.

https://ibb.co/JRwRXTp

Seems pretty clear cut to me. Also, why post GL blast exceeding the sound barrier. Of course it will exceed the sound barrier and let's add speed of light into that as well. Flash even admitted he can't outrun a GL blast...

https://m.imgur.com/a/5jWPF

Originally posted by carver9
🤦🏿... this is sad. Tell me the difference. Hal Jordan shoots a blast of light from his ring and we see the green blast of light coming out of his ring hitting Grundy.

Flash moves so fast that he leaves a beam of DENSE light behind him.

One is shooting a beam of light and the other is moving so fast that he creates a beam of light. Is there a difference?
What do you think Hal is doing here?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85


https://i.postimg.cc/ryCbsFTN/GzkFNAW.jpg


We know GL's powers are light-based, thus the trails their leaving behind are also lightbeams, and by your logic, who are fast enough to generate/leave trails of lightbeams are also lightspeed( Especially GL's beams are speicifically defined as lightspeed)

So now you have two options: 1) These characters moving fast enough to create light, which as DS pointed out, doesnt mean lightspeed 2) They are capable of creating/generating lightbeams by their abilities, which like GL's, not necessarily means they are lightspeed

Originally posted by carver9
It states an incredibly DENSE structure across the sky.

https://ibb.co/JRwRXTp

Seems pretty clear cut to me. Also, why post GL blast exceeding the sound barrier. Of course it will exceed the sound barrier and let's add speed of light into that as well. Flash even admitted he can't outrun a GL blast...

https://m.imgur.com/a/5jWPF

Yeah, a dense structure, NOT that the beams were like.... literally dense lmao.

As for the Hal scan, you can clearly see it breaking the sound barrier ('BOOOOM'), but the light beam showed up even before he hit it (and supported by the words).

I mean, you can use the Batwing as well if you like. Clear light beams behind him. Guess it's FTL

I'm starting to wonder if Carver even read the scans he posted properly.

Let's end this. Flashy Flash, one of the guys in that scan admitted during that scuffle that the 2 other guys were moving faster than him and he was using his top speed. Flashy Flash on panel has been confirmed as a FTL guy. There, now let's get back on topic, please. Who can repeat...

https://ibb.co/0cPm9L9

Originally posted by carver9
Them leaving trails of light after their movements puts this above microseconds though. It's 100% above light speed because one of the contestants in this battle was using his maximum speed (light speed) and the other 2 were accelerating past that. Then why is there LESS than 13000 streaks that happened in 13 milliseconds? Do the math. That's not light speed.

Originally posted by carver9
Let's end this. Flashy Flash, one of the guys in that scan admitted during that scuffle that the 2 other guys were moving faster than him and he was using his top speed. Flashy Flash on panel has been confirmed as a FTL guy. There, now let's get back on topic, please. Who can repeat...

https://ibb.co/0cPm9L9

Still Superman

Flashes(no pun intended) admitted they need to move faster than they has ever moved before to get to Darkseid. I.E, massive faster than light, faster than death, faster than even time itself

https://i.imgur.com/WNFTBI3.jpg

And Superman entered and reached Darkseid by himself, even reacted when Flashes was moving at the speed that they had never moved before
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Bump

I know the discussion was over. But I want to add some information about the FC scene

Flashes already had reached lightspeed/time-stop velocity BEFORE they passed by Superman, As it clearly states in the Essential Edition copy

"Only we can divert those omega finder beams! At lightspeed time stops! Death too! Flash fact!"
"We DID it wally! Now go!"
https://ibb.co/S6YPYkP

Combining the fact that even in this copy Barry explicitly states they need to go FTL speed to survive Darkseid's singularity. And we all know they did
https://ibb.co/vVxJzv3

So even if you want to lowball this scene as hard as possible, Superman at least performed a lightspeed reaction if not FTL

Originally posted by carver9
"Leaving beams of light". Not leaving trails. I think theirs a difference in both. If it was the writer's intention that they were moving at light speed then the artist sure messed it up. Do you know how many streaks (of those sizes) a literal beam of light can make in a matter of milliseconds?

With that said, you're claim is that they moved with light speed
Well MANY characters in comics can move at light speed or better.
So that's a shitty feat once again.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Still Superman

Flashes(no pun intended) admitted they need to move faster than they has ever moved before to get to Darkseid. I.E, massive faster than light, faster than death, faster than even time itself

https://i.imgur.com/WNFTBI3.jpg

And Superman entered and reached Darkseid by himself, even reacted when Flashes was moving at the speed that they had never moved before

Read the OP

Originally posted by h1a8
If it was the writer's intention that they were moving at light speed then the artist sure messed it up. Do you know how many streaks (of those sizes) a literal beam of light can make in a matter of milliseconds?

With that said, you're claim is that they moved with light speed
Well MANY characters in comics can move at light speed or better.
So that's a shitty feat once again.

Read the OP

When you think about Carver once asking specific statements Flashes were moving FTL speed in the scene of Superman reacted to them

Despite the fact Flashes stated they need to move faster than they ever moved before in order to reach Darkseid, and Wally was specifically stated capable of moving FTL in the same story etc

But Carver seems to have no problem using the same scaling logic in here

Originally posted by carver9
Let's end this. Flashy Flash, one of the guys in that scan admitted during that scuffle that the 2 other guys were moving faster than him and he was using his top speed. Flashy Flash on panel has been confirmed as a FTL guy. There, now let's get back on topic, please. Who can repeat...

https://ibb.co/0cPm9L9

Ahhhh got ya. Your sole proof is a character intro, and nothing else.

Next thread: Daredevil has been described as The Man Without Fear..... therefore he is incapable of actually feeling fear (lmao).

You're silly, Carv. There are so many things wrong with this point. Do you want me to tear it apart or no?

Originally posted by carver9
Read the OP
Then by the numbers that given by your scans, It was a milliseconds combat speed. So Superman, Ironman, even Thor capable of doing it

By who can leave trails or lightbeam trails whatsoever in a fight. Ray, GLs, and Superman Blue etc these energy/light-based characters all capable of doing it

Don't know why you all are comparing comics to Manga. Yes, comics, there is far more solid evidence of someone going light speed. Unraveling puzzles at light speed or chasing a beam of light, evacuating a city at certain speeds, etc... anime doesn't work like that because Anime is 9 times out of 10, all combat. Flashy Flash is FTL. No way around this.

Originally posted by carver9
Don't know why you all are comparing comics to Manga. Yes, comics, there is far more solid evidence of someone going light speed. Unraveling puzzles at light speed or chasing a beam of light, evacuating a city at certain speeds, etc... anime doesn't work like that because Anime is 9 times out of 10, all combat. Flashy Flash is FTL. No way around this.

Based on what? A character intro? Is he really sharper than all? Lol.

Also, we're comparing because....you asked for it. Wtf.

Originally posted by carver9
Don't know why you all are comparing comics to Manga. Yes, comics, there is far more solid evidence of someone going light speed. Unraveling puzzles at light speed or chasing a beam of light, evacuating a city at certain speeds, etc... anime doesn't work like that because Anime is 9 times out of 10, all combat. Flashy Flash is FTL. No way around this.

Anime =/= Manga.

Also... this was your idea?

Anything in manga > Anything in comics, isn't that right carter?

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Still Superman

Flashes(no pun intended) admitted they need to move faster than they has ever moved before to get to Darkseid. I.E, massive faster than light, faster than death, faster than even time itself

https://i.imgur.com/WNFTBI3.jpg

And Superman entered and reached Darkseid by himself, even reacted when Flashes was moving at the speed that they had never moved before didnt Superman practically used sheer force to break through the singularity

Originally posted by carver9
Flashy Flash is FTL. No way around this. He might be.

The feat you posted in the OP, however, doesn't definitively illustrate speed that is beyond the capabilities of quite a few 'lower end' comic speedsters, though.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
didnt Superman practically used sheer force to break through the singularity
For me, It looks like Superman flies into the singularity while blasts HV.

Besides, I dont think there are some physical walls in black holes that you could/need break through by sheer force. Or more accurately, I dont think you could punch through gravity by fists.....

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
For me, It looks like Superman flies into the singularity while blasts HV.

Besides, I dont think there are some physical walls in black holes that you could/need break through by sheer force. Or more accurately, I dont think you could punch through gravity by fists..... Superman can if he needed to.

Originally posted by Juntai
Superman can if he needed to.
Good point

Bump, just to remind people this
Originally posted by carver9
Don't know why you all are comparing comics to Manga. Yes, comics, there is far more solid evidence of someone going light speed. Unraveling puzzles at light speed or chasing a beam of light, evacuating a city at certain speeds, etc... anime doesn't work like that because Anime is 9 times out of 10, all combat. Flashy Flash is FTL. No way around this.

And after reading some comics, I would say Superman even when he was a boy could do that
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Originally posted by carver9
Let's end this. Flashy Flash, one of the guys in that scan admitted during that scuffle that the 2 other guys were moving faster than him and he was using his top speed. Flashy Flash on panel has been confirmed as a FTL guy. There, now let's get back on topic, please. Who can repeat...

https://ibb.co/0cPm9L9

Wrong.

Forgot how stupid this thread was... beautiful

My fav part is when Carv starts crying that we can't compare anime/manga to comics.

Originally posted by carver9
Only combat fts are applicable here since this is a combat showing. If you throw out a name, please provide scans showing them fighting at these speeds, CONSISTENTLY. The seconds you see here, multiple combat scenarios were done as shown on panel. Flashes are excluded...

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Who can combat this fast or have COMBAT fts showing they can join in on this H2H fight with no issues. Casually. I don't think Flashy Flash, Platinum Sperm or Monsterized Garou were doing that casually. And this is the only time we've seen them fight at these speeds, so asking for other comic characters that can (i) consistently do this, in a (ii) casual manner, seems a bit overreaching. You couldn't even do that for these three.

Probably not casually but I think the strain came from the hits they were withstanding versus the speeds they were going.

^ Ok. Fair point. But when you request examples of comic characters performing such feats casually, that caveat doesn't appear to be available.

So let's say I open a thread and ask who in the One Punch Man universe could replicate what WBH and amped Red She-Hulk did during Heart of the Monster. Also, I ask posters to please provide scans showing them accomplishing such feats CONSISTENTLY.

I also ask them to show they could join in on such a feat with no issues. Casually.

Could you do that with Saitama, or Blast or Awakened Garou? Or would your reaction be, "Dude, that seems like a disingenuous question at worst, a loaded question at best"?

I think that's what some posters are having an issue with.

Oh, jfc, the latest chapter of OPM just released.

So anyway... if you haven't read OPM, go ahead and read it. Just fantastic stuff.

And while I don't necessarily agree with the vocal minority that each consecutive chapter breaks its own internal "power-scaling" hierarchy and is utterly inconsistent...

... I wouldn't really dedicate effort or time dispelling such a narrative.

Cuz dis sh1t is wild, yo.

Impressive feats in the latest chapter. As a result battle forums are toxic af right now with OPM and Dragon Ball fans firing ICBMS at each other.

Originally posted by playa1258
Impressive feats in the latest chapter. As a result battle forums are toxic af right now with OPM and Dragon Ball fans firing ICBMS at each other.

I've been peeping it out. Literally within the hour DBZ fans were in the youtube comments of the latest OPM chapter in force. It was hilarious.

I mean at this point it's pretty clear Saitama is a different animal. Casually flipping the entire surface of IO (larger than Earth's moon) one handed? Kicking and slapping aside dimensional portals like soccerballs? That's looney tune type shyt.

And the OP feat there's still debate over whether it was a millisecond feat or a microsecond one.

Originally posted by dmills
And the OP feat there's still debate over whether it was a millisecond feat or a microsecond one.

Pretty much. But the main point being, it's not something that, say, is completely unheard of in comics. And not something we necessarily need to utilize top end elite speedsters for.

Originally posted by dmills
I've been peeping it out. Literally within the hour DBZ fans were in the youtube comments of the latest OPM chapter in force. It was hilarious.

I mean at this point it's pretty clear Saitama is a different animal. Casually flipping the entire surface of IO (larger than Earth's moon) one handed? Kicking and slapping aside dimensional portals like soccerballs? That's looney tune type shyt.
Saitama was always a gag character 🤷🤷

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Pretty much. But the main point being, it's not something that, say, is completely unheard of in comics. And not something we necessarily need to utilize top end elite speedsters for.

I can agree with that. But then I can also see what Carter is getting at as well. If we limit it to the people who actually have the hard, demonstrated feats to match this, the list gets considerably smaller. At least off the top of my head. IIRC Flashy flash started to fade away during the battle, so endurance might be a factor as well.

Now whether or not excluding "a priori feats" is fair or not is another question.

Originally posted by dmills
I can agree with that. But then I can also see what Carter is getting at as well. If we limit it to the people who actually have the hard, demonstrated feats to match this, the list gets considerably smaller. At least off the top of my head. IIRC Flashy flash started to fade away during the battle, so endurance might be a factor as well.

Now whether or not excluding "a priori feats" is fair or not is another question.

Well, Carvy is doing the usual where he rejects it all unless it is explicitly the same - which is silly (especially when he then whines that we shouldn't compare comics to anime/manga).

It's like posting a scan of Superman lifting a 20 ton pencil.....then loudly screaming he's the only one with said feat, and asking who can repeat in all of fiction.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Well, Carvy is doing the usual where he rejects it all unless it is explicitly the same - which is silly (especially when he then whines that we shouldn't compare comics to anime/manga).

It's like posting a scan of Superman lifting a 20 ton pencil.....then loudly screaming he's the only one with said feat, and asking who can repeat in all of fiction.

Touche.

Originally posted by dmills
I can agree with that. But then I can also see what Carter is getting at as well. If we limit it to the people who actually have the hard, demonstrated feats to match this, the list gets considerably smaller. At least off the top of my head. IIRC Flashy flash started to fade away during the battle, so endurance might be a factor as well.

Now whether or not excluding "a priori feats" is fair or not is another question. N1gga, you using terms coined by Heidegger???

I thought it was Aristotle.....

^ Aristotle coined it. Kant popularized it. Heidegger appropriated it.

I should have remembered that given my studies. But I admit, I had to google that.

Originally posted by carver9
Let's end this. Flashy Flash, one of the guys in that scan admitted during that scuffle that the 2 other guys were moving faster than him and he was using his top speed. Flashy Flash on panel has been confirmed as a FTL guy. There, now let's get back on topic, please. Who can repeat...

https://ibb.co/0cPm9L9
I hate you.

Originally posted by carver9
I love your sexy ass.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So what's the proof Flashy Flash is FTL?

It could be minutes in the hour place though. I have seen timers like that.

Is it milli,micro, nano,femto, pico right?? Which is what Flash is at?

No.