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Match 1: Individually

Match 2: All at once

Sersi kills him in either scenario, but he takes the rest.

Originally posted by tkitna
Sersi kills him in either scenario, but he takes the rest.
Unless Cersi has Uni-Mind power, how does she do anything to him? She herself admits she has problem with living beings, and the Celestial thing was done by drawing on the Celestial's own power.

Druig should be able to mind control him. Unless he's gone up against someone with planetary level telepathy and resisted them in the show?

Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
Unless Cersi has Uni-Mind power, how does she do anything to him? She herself admits she has problem with living beings, and the Celestial thing was done by drawing on the Celestial's own power.
Even ignoring the Tiamut feat, she turned a Deviant into a tree. She also changed a rock into living birds. Unless Superman has shown a resistance to matter transmutation, he shouldn't be immune to her.

Ikaris and Makari just need to occupy Superman long enough for either Druig or Sersi to use their powers on him then he's done for. Heck, even Sprite can pitch in just to confuse Superman.

Individually, he probably wins against any of them although Druig has a shot. It really depends on whether or not Superman decides to bullrush him right from the opening bell.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Ikaris and Makari just need to occupy Superman long enough for either Druig or Sersi to use their powers on him then he's done for. Heck, even Sprite can pitch in just to confuse Superman.

Individually, he probably wins against any of them although Druig has a shot. It really depends on whether or not Superman decides to bullrush him right from the opening bell.

Superman at his fastest isn't faster than the speed of thought. And Druig is trigger happy, so much so that the others have to constantly tell him to stop mind controlling people all willy nilly. And we see he's fast enough to instantly stop an entire city in the middle of a war. So he's far more likely to just do his little glowy eye thing as soon as the round starts than Clark is to rush, but even if he does rush as I said. He can control him faster than he can close the distance.

Originally posted by KingD19
Superman at his fastest isn't faster than the speed of thought. And Druig is trigger happy, so much so that the others have to constantly tell him to stop mind controlling people all willy nilly. And we see he's fast enough to instantly stop an entire city in the middle of a war. So he's far more likely to just do his little glowy eye thing as soon as the round starts than Clark is to rush, but even if he does rush as I said. He can control him faster than he can close the distance. Clark is much faster than the human speed of thought which for the fastest nerves is a 120m a second in a human. Eternals are not human and neither is Clark.

Superman destroys them.

Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
Unless Cersi has Uni-Mind power, how does she do anything to him? She herself admits she has problem with living beings, and the Celestial thing was done by drawing on the Celestial's own power.

Its not that she cant though, its just that its unpredictable.

Originally posted by KingD19
Superman at his fastest isn't faster than the speed of thought. And Druig is trigger happy, so much so that the others have to constantly tell him to stop mind controlling people all willy nilly. And we see he's fast enough to instantly stop an entire city in the middle of a war. So he's far more likely to just do his little glowy eye thing as soon as the round starts than Clark is to rush, but even if he does rush as I said. He can control him faster than he can close the distance.

True. I'd also add that since Druig only has that one power, it's safe to assume he'll use it as soon as the match starts. In comparison because Superman has multitudes of powers, he may not immediately choose to use superspeed.

Originally posted by KingD19
Druig should be able to mind control him. Unless he's gone up against someone with planetary level telepathy and resisted them in the show?


Even ignoring the Tiamut feat, she turned a Deviant into a tree. She also changed a rock into living birds. Unless Superman has shown a resistance to matter transmutation, he shouldn't be immune to her.
That Deviant was nowhere as tough as Superman either.

Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
That Deviant was nowhere as tough as Superman either.

Superman's physical durability shouldn't have anything to do with his molecules being rearranged. Matter manipulation/transmutation trumps how tough you are.

How strong is ikaris? Is he mcu thor level?

Originally posted by HumbleServant
How strong is ikaris? Is he mcu thor level?

No

Maybe around Colossus level in my opinion. Gilgamesh was stronger.

CW Supes FTW.

Originally posted by tkitna
No

Maybe around Colossus level in my opinion. Gilgamesh was stronger.

This was a weird thing in the movie. All the Eternals talked about Ikaris like he was so far above them in terms of power levels, but Gilgamesh did seem to have an easier time with that big Deviant than Ikaris did.

Originally posted by FrothByte
This was a weird thing in the movie. All the Eternals talked about Ikaris like he was so far above them in terms of power levels, but Gilgamesh did seem to have an easier time with that big Deviant than Ikaris did.

Ikaris' power level was wildly inconsistent during the film. He was going between struggling with individual other Eternals and being able to fight them three on one all in the same fight. And that's ignoring the further inconsistencies we get if we factor in his and other Eternals' performances against the Deviants.

They couldn't give Ikaris a constant level of power because his actions were so integral to the plot that he kinda had to ebb and flow with the situation. Like if we knew he was concretely essentially Gilgamesh level + flight + heat vision, then when he fought Phastos and Druig and Makkari he would've killed them instantly by the rules of the film because we know Gilgamesh is physically the most powerful Eternal by a long shot. So basically they made him as powerful or as weak as necessary to make the plot points happen as they needed.

Also yes Gilgamesh was definitely stronger than Ikaris. It probably helped that he made cosmic energy gauntlets so he could hit harder, but it was obvious even without them he was physically the strongest one. Just like Thena was the best fighter, and Makkari was the fastest on foot. Man, imagine if Ikaris spammed his flight speed.

Originally posted by KingD19
They couldn't give Ikaris a constant level of power because his actions were so integral to the plot that he kinda had to ebb and flow with the situation. Like if we knew he was concretely essentially Gilgamesh level + flight + heat vision, then when he fought Phastos and Druig and Makkari he would've killed them instantly by the rules of the film because we know Gilgamesh is physically the most powerful Eternal by a long shot. So basically they made him as powerful or as weak as necessary to make the plot points happen as they needed.

He could have been more consistent if they wrote a better script.

It's like once the Russos and their production teams started doing it, the rest of the MCU writers and directors decided to follow suit and throw power level consistency out of the window. Because this kind of thing has been happening more and more in the recent films and shows.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
He could have been more consistent if they wrote a better script.

It's like once the Russos and their production teams started doing it, the rest of the MCU writers and directors decided to follow suit and throw power level consistency out of the window. Because this kind of thing has been happening more and more in the recent films and shows.

You're not wrong at all, but because the script was what it was, that seems the reason why. They wrote the plot around Ikaris being a loyal Eternal to the end, making him a threat to the others who wanted to help humanity. But he also had to be weak enough that they could fight back, and the Deviants were a legitimate danger to him. So yeah, with a sucky plot Ikaris was the lynchpin so they moved him where they needed to make it work.

Originally posted by KingD19
You're not wrong at all, but because the script was what it was, that seems the reason why. They wrote the plot around Ikaris being a loyal Eternal to the end, making him a threat to the others who wanted to help humanity. But he also had to be weak enough that they could fight back, and the Deviants were a legitimate danger to him. So yeah, with a sucky plot Ikaris was the lynchpin so they moved him where they needed to make it work.
It didn't look like the rest except Gilgamesh were any threat to Ikaris. He barehanded Thena's blades, was completely unharmed by Makkari's attacks and Kingo's blasts, and Phastos draining his energy kept him down only for so long.

Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
It didn't look like the rest except Gilgamesh were any threat to Ikaris. He barehanded Thena's blades, was completely unharmed by Makkari's attacks and Kingo's blasts, and Phastos draining his energy kept him down only for so long.
I never said the others were a threat, I said they could fight back against him, and they did. As for Thena, she's weird in that her blades definitely would've taken him out, but she would've had to get a lethal shot.

Hmm, CW Superman doesn't have the World Engine feat, which is easily a planet busting tank. Those World Engines were effectively souped up Death Star lasers after all.



Tough one.

I thought Ikaris relied way to much on his eye beams during the movie to be honest. It is hard to gauge his power.

It should also be noted that Druig never once tried to mind control Ikaris, even when Ikaris was trying to kill him. Don't know if it's simply because his powers won't work on another Eternal but it's still worth noting.

It could be he was too honorable to try and mind control a fellow Eternal. Or Arishem could've built a failsafe into him that made it so he never thought to try and mind control other Eternals, because if he did it would reveal his powers wouldn't work on them because they weren't organic. Or that he'd simply never been attacked by Ikaris before and was in the middle of gathering energy to focus on Tiamut so it didn't even cross his mind. Or, it was just bad writing and another plothole. There could be a thousand reasons.

Originally posted by KingD19
It could be he was too honorable to try and mind control a fellow Eternal. Or Arishem could've built a failsafe into him that made it so he never thought to try and mind control other Eternals, because if he did it would reveal his powers wouldn't work on them because they weren't organic. Or that he'd simply never been attacked by Ikaris before and was in the middle of gathering energy to focus on Tiamut so it didn't even cross his mind. Or, it was just bad writing and another plothole. There could be a thousand reasons.

He also never tried to control Deviants...

Originally posted by KingD19
I never said the others were a threat, I said they could fight back against him, and they did. As for Thena, she's weird in that her blades definitely would've taken him out, but she would've had to get a lethal shot.
How? What shows that her blades could take him out?

Ikaris is faster than Superman. The guy flew to the sun in seconds.

Originally posted by carver9
Ikaris is faster than Superman. The guy flew to the sun in seconds. you don't know it were seconds. Film could have been removed to save time.

Unlike SSJ3 Gotenks circling the earth seven times in a single second, because we know in the narrative what fraction of a percent of 1/2hr was

Do all the eternals have super strength and superspeed to a degree?

None of the Eternals can harm to any significant degree Superman except maybe Sersi and Druid.
Sersi transmutation will not work because she doesn't know how to use it on living beings at will. She was under great duress (about to be killed) when she did that.

Everyone (except Makkari) would be frozen statues.

Superman has to be seriously holding back (not blitz Druid from the onset) in order to lose (which is possible if Clark doesn't know druids capabilities).

How's this even a fight?

Originally posted by abhilegend
How's this even a fight? Some see Makkari distracting Superman (like flash did to Mos Superman) in order for Druid to work.

But thinking about it. Those two would be moving so fast that Druid wouldn't be able to lock in on Superman.
So Superman should win this.

Originally posted by carver9
Ikaris is faster than Superman. The guy flew to the sun in seconds.

CW Superman is faster than light also.

CW Superman curbstomps