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Will he be Prime Minister in two weeks?

I think yes.

Originally posted by Blakemore
I think yes. I think maybe sadly

Yes. And why?

Because JEREMY CORBYN!!!

Of course he will. He's on the right side of history after all.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Will he be Prime Minister in two weeks?


What are the chances he survives all the calls for him to step down?

Originally posted by Robtard
What are the chances he survives all the calls for him to step down? with anyone else I'd say impossible, but Boris is slipperier than a greased otter.

The back-benchers have been told that if they vote for no confidence an election will be held and all the MPs who voted won't get any support from the Tory party, or the bare minimum, effectively losing their seats and shoehorning in Starmer who will likely have a small majority or a minority government.

Then after his short term and another election is called the Tories will get back into power.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
with anyone else I'd say impossible, but Boris is slipperier than a greased otter.

God damn it.

I will say, I rather enjoyed watching and hearing all the jeers from your Parliament as Boris spoke and tried to spin his nonsense.

Originally posted by Blakemore
The back-benchers have been told that if they vote for no confidence an election will be held and all the MPs who voted won't get any support from the Tory party, or the bare minimum, effectively losing their seats and shoehorning in Starmer who will likely have a small majority or a minority government.

Then after his short term and another election is called the Tories will get back into power. We'll see, the people are ready for a long Labour Government, public works programmes, tax the rich etc. But I hope he stays on as Brexit bites further and destroys the Con men for a decade. We might return to the EU in that time.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
We'll see, the people are ready for a long Labour Government, public works programmes, tax the rich etc. But I hope he stays on as Brexit bites further and destroys the Con men for a decade. We might return to the EU in that time. If Starmer gets in, he's going to focus on autonomy. Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales will get referendums on Devo-Max, which I think would be a positive direction, but I think Wales won't vote for it haermm

This would obviously affect our relationship with Europe.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
We'll see, the people are ready for a long Labour Government, public works programmes, tax the rich etc. But I hope he stays on as Brexit bites further and destroys the Con men for a decade. We might return to the EU in that time.


Yeah, hopefully people are tired of Tory leadership after Cameron, May and now Johnson. Like him or not, the country grew under Blair, either despite the Afghan and Iraq wars or because of it.

Originally posted by samhain
Yeah, hopefully people are tired of Tory leadership after Cameron, May and now Johnson. Like him or not, the country grew under Blair, either despite the Afghan and Iraq wars or because of it. It's all kicked off today...

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/feb/03/boris-johnson-backtracks-on-comment-that-starmer-failed-to-prosecute-savile

Johnson backtracks on comment that Starmer failed to prosecute Savile
After three days of pressure, prime minister acknowledges that a lot of people have ‘got very hot under the collar’

So there's no proof that Starmar tried to go easy on Saville? What a c**t move by Boris.

Saville seems to be this guy that many prominent persons in England knew and was friends with, but after the dirt came out that he was a life-long child rapist, everyone's like "Jimmy who?"

Boris is most likely waiting until the May elections, which we all know will be a disaster. Once that happens, the party will replace him. An election won't be called because it needs a 2/3 majority in the house of commons.

Also, Starmer is just another Neil Kinnock.

Originally posted by Robtard
So there's no proof that Starmar tried to go easy on Saville? What a c**t move by Boris.

Saville seems to be this guy that many prominent persons in England knew and was friends with, but after the dirt came out that he was a life-long child rapist, everyone's like "Jimmy who?" None at all.Originally posted by Blakemore
Boris is most likely waiting until the May elections, which we all know will be a disaster. Once that happens, the party will replace him. An election won't be called because it needs a 2/3 majority in the house of commons.

Also, Starmer is just another Neil Kinnock. I quite liked Kinnock.

Johnson and Patel ffs. Those two grifters!

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/feb/03/johnson-and-patels-claims-about-falling-crime-misleading-says-uk-watchdog?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
None at all. I quite liked Kinnock. You like anyone in red.

Originally posted by Blakemore
You like anyone in red. Not Trump...

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Not Trump... Huzzah!

Things are getting hotter for Boris...

If he does as he is told then yes. In the end does it even matter?

I still stand that Liz Truss will take over in the summer.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Things are getting hotter for Boris...


Think he'll step down then?

Originally posted by Robtard
Think he'll step down then? Nah... he'll have to be pushed. He is a Trump level narcissist.

Fair enough.

Think the powers will be able to pop the zit that is Boris?

Originally posted by Robtard
Fair enough.

Think the powers will be able to pop the zit that is Boris? Eventually, bit, he will fight thrash, deflect and resist. He is like Trump in that... in fact in many ways.

Boris is not Trump.


Trump is ass hole no1, Boris is more like Mr Bean with more failure.

Originally posted by Blakemore
You like anyone in red. Disagree...

https://boris-johnson-lies.com/

looks like we'll have labour next then.

Originally posted by Blakemore
looks like we'll have labour next then. who knows, the world is mad.

I'm predicting a Lib-Lab pact in all honesty.

The Monster Raving Loony Party seem more and more capable as the years go by.

Originally posted by Blakemore
I'm predicting a Lib-Lab pact in all honesty. hope not, Creggan enabling the Tories got us in this mess in the first place.Originally posted by samhain
The Monster Raving Loony Party seem more and more capable as the years go by. Sutch true words were never spoken

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
hope not, Creggan enabling the Tories got us in this mess in the first place. Sutch true words were never spoken He's not there anymore, and Davey is strictly no coalition after what happened.

He won't even coalition with Labour and do a support and confidence deal.

I take it he greased his way out of his troubles?

He's laying low.

Johnson won the no confidence vote, but they're saying he's kinda a lame duck now due to the large number of Tories who voted against him.

Looking at the polls though, the Conservatives are polling at around 50%. That's staggering.

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Chancellor Rishi Sunak and Health Secretary Sajid Javid have resigned from Boris Johnson's government..

I predict a Labour minority governement. Libdems or the SNP would be enough for a coalition government, but neither would and they'd only do confidence and supply.

Starmer (assuming its Starmer) would likely pander to the SNP (who want more autonomy and eventual independence) and the LibDems (who want stronger relations with Europe like EFTA).

A few days ago, I said: Originally posted by Blakemore
I've just solved the problem!

Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales get more autonomy and join the European Economic Area with a similar deal to Norway, Iceland and Liechtenstein. Of course "NO BAD IMMIGRATION" but also, this will help those smaller countries so they stop relying on England as much (seeing as they always slag us off at football and love Europe so much), and it'll strengthen ties with their viking brethren.

Put me as Prime Minister, Queenie I'm ready! Originally posted by jaden_2.0
#VoteBlakey

https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2015/08/13/17/blakeyepa.jpeg?width=1200 Originally posted by Blakemore
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Originally posted by jaden_2.0
Chancellor Rishi Sunak and Health Secretary Sajid Javid have resigned from Boris Johnson's government..

What does that mean for Boris?

Originally posted by Blakemore
I predict a Labour minority governement. Libdems or the SNP would be enough for a coalition government, but neither would and they'd only do confidence and supply.

Starmer (assuming its Starmer) would likely pander to the SNP (who want more autonomy and eventual independence) and the LibDems (who want stronger relations with Europe like EFTA).

A few days ago, I said:

I don't believe for one second Northern Ireland can sustain itself.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I don't believe for one second Northern Ireland can sustain itself. Well, the idea is, with the Good Friday agreement, NI and Ireland will get money from the bank of Europe and labour from European countries. That's my theory anyway.

Ideally I would agree, but right now Ireland has a massive housing issue and has basically nowhere to put anyone. We're barely managing to support the Ukranian refugees we took in (stupidly took in far too many tbh). Not to mention Ireland being one of the most expensive EU countries to live in.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Ideally I would agree, but right now Ireland has a massive housing issue and has basically nowhere to put anyone. We're barely managing to support the Ukranian refugees we took in (stupidly took in far too many tbh). Not to mention Ireland being one of the most expensive EU countries to live in. Well, you've got the Euro. Ask Brussels to fund your new plantation in the north. In 10 years you'll finally have it back!

Over 30 more resignations today. Mostly junior ministers and parliamentary private secretaries. Other senior ministers met Boris Johnson today to ask him to resign but as of 19:00 he is still refusing to do so.

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
Over 30 more resignations today. Mostly junior ministers and parliamentary private secretaries. Other senior ministers met Boris Johnson today to ask him to resign but as of 19:00 he is still refusing to do so. Imagine if everyone resigns except him.

Originally posted by Blakemore
Imagine if everyone resigns except him.

It's already at the point where a parliamentary meeting scheduled for tomorrow has been cancelled because there aren't enough government ministers left to attend.

Originally posted by Blakemore
Imagine if everyone resigns except him.

That'd be epic

Okay, so here's my prediction.

1. snap election forced by parliament.
2. Labour win biggest party but still not an absolute majority and have to do deals with either the LibDems, the nationalists, or both.
3. Boris Johnson loses his seat.

The most resignations from government in a single day in the UK's history. Senior cabinet minister Michael Gove was also sacked for asking Boris Johnson to resign.

To put it on context. 68 people were either fired or resigned from Trump's administration over his 4 years in office. Boris has now had 40 in 2 days

wew lad

He's gone!

Assuming the news is true, good. Now we wait to see what clown takes his place.

We haven't had a decent Prime Minister since Gordon Brown. Who lost because the right wing Press convinced the voters that he was the reason for the 2008 crash not the global crash, recession and forex traders.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
We haven't had a decent Prime Minister since Gordon Brown. Who lost because the right wing Press convinced the voters that he was the reason for the 2008 crash not the global crash, recession and forex traders. Labour were still unpopular from the Iraq war and Gordon was just awful at talking to the public. Cameron didn't even win a majority.

You're right that he was the last decent one we had, though. U9n-2RxMfa4

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
We haven't had a decent Prime Minister since Gordon Brown. Who lost because the right wing Press convinced the voters that he was the reason for the 2008 crash not the global crash, recession and forex traders.


Brown actually saved us through that crash, which I don't think he gets enough credit for. But he lost because he didn't have the charisma of Blair, but his party carried Blair's stench from the Iraq war.

Unfortunately we still won't get a decent PM for a long time to come given who the leader of the opposition is.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Brown actually saved us through that crash, which I don't think he gets enough credit for. But he lost because he didn't have the charisma of Blair, but his party carried Blair's stench from the Iraq war.

Unfortunately we still won't get a decent PM for a long time to come given who the leader of the opposition is.

We'll he saved the banks at least.

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
We'll he saved the banks at least. I thought he saved the world?

Congrats to you guys losing that turd lump. Hopefully you get a PM that isn't as much of a corrupt shitbag, ideally none at all.

It's not the PM that's the problem. It's the Tories Rob.

Fair enough. Similar how Trump is a pile of shit and was a disastrous POTUS, but the real problem is the GOP and how they've embraced the Far-Right.


Blake had posted earlier that the Tories are at their weakest right now? Could they lose power soon?

Originally posted by Robtard
Fair enough. Similar how Trump is a pile of shit and was a disastrous POTUS, but the real problem is the GOP and how they've embraced the Far-Right.


Blake had posted earlier that the Tories are at their weakest right now? Could they lose power soon? Let's hope they get weaker yearly as old people die off, we're the Brexit vote now... the result would be very different.

Originally posted by Robtard
Fair enough. Similar how Trump is a pile of shit and was a disastrous POTUS, but the real problem is the GOP and how they've embraced the Far-Right.


Blake had posted earlier that the Tories are at their weakest right now? Could they lose power soon?

Not if there's no general election called.

The problem the Tories now have is that there's no one of any standing left to lead them. All their big names are complicit in keeping Boris in power and they were the scrapings from the mud underneath the barrel anyway. Having Liz Truss as Minister of one of the Great Offices of State was and is a complete embarrassment. She has absolutely zero credibility or respect on the world stage and she's Foreign Secretary.

Priti Patel literally looks like a bond villain and has already acted against the interests of her own country in 2017 and was essentially sacked by Theresa May for it but was rewarded by Boris for backing her.

The rest are also just a bunch of inept, talentless sycophants who only got their positions because they were the only ones still backing Boris Johnson

oh well, so long boris...every bell has its end, so they say

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
Not if there's no general election called.

The problem the Tories now have is that there's no one of any standing left to lead them. All their big names are complicit in keeping Boris in power and they were the scrapings from the mud underneath the barrel anyway. Having Liz Truss as Minister of one of the Great Offices of State was and is a complete embarrassment. She has absolutely zero credibility or respect on the world stage and she's Foreign Secretary.

Priti Patel literally looks like a bond villain and has already acted against the interests of her own country in 2017 and was essentially sacked by Theresa May for it but was rewarded by Boris for backing her.

The rest are also just a bunch of inept, talentless sycophants who only got their positions because they were the only ones still backing Boris Johnson


Ah true, had forgotten you lot got stuck with Johnson after May resigned.

Who has the power to call a general election? I assume otherwise the Tories will put whomever they pick.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Let's hope they get weaker yearly as old people die off, we're the Brexit vote now... the result would be very different. The Brexit vote is the old people vote.

They're the ones who still remember watching Hollyoaks reruns at the caravan imagining longer summers and less non-British people like it is in Australia.

Originally posted by Robtard
Ah true, had forgotten you lot got stuck with Johnson after May resigned.

Who has the power to call a general election? I assume otherwise the Tories will put whomever they pick.

The Tories will have a leadership race. Candidates will put themselves forward and Tory MPs will back them. Any that hit the minimum number of backers can go forward to a vote by party members although typically more and more will drop out until 2 remain. Doesn't always work like that. When David Cameron resigned because he had backed remaining in the EU and lost, none of the pro leave Tories put themselves forward (Almost like they knew what a nightmare it would be) and only Theresa May ran to be leader.

After they have a new leader they usually get a lot of pressure to call a snap general election as they essentially don't have a mandate from the electorate to govern but they aren't obligated to call an election and in this case they might not because they're closer to the next general election than the last one and they've just lost 2 constituency by-elections after their MP's resigned and they only won a 3rd because they stood unopposed because their previous MP was murdered.

Only the Prime Minister can call a general election.

The next leader will likely be someone who's looking to retire anyway like Sir Alec Douglas Home did in 1963.

If the leader doesn't call an election, they'll have to be really popular or face a vote of no confidence themselves.

"Senior" MP Tom Tugendhat is the first to put himself forward as the next leader. I'd say he has absolutely zero chance because hardly anyone in the country knows who he is or could point him out in a line up but the same was said of David Cameron when he ran.

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
The Tories will have a leadership race. Candidates will put themselves forward and Tory MPs will back them. Any that hit the minimum number of backers can go forward to a vote by party members although typically more and more will drop out until 2 remain. Doesn't always work like that. When David Cameron resigned because he had backed remaining in the EU and lost, none of the pro leave Tories put themselves forward (Almost like they knew what a nightmare it would be) and only Theresa May ran to be leader.

After they have a new leader they usually get a lot of pressure to call a snap general election as they essentially don't have a mandate from the electorate to govern but they aren't obligated to call an election and in this case they might not because they're closer to the next general election than the last one and they've just lost 2 constituency by-elections after their MP's resigned and they only won a 3rd because they stood unopposed because their previous MP was murdered.

Only the Prime Minister can call a general election.

Thanks for the breakdown.

I assume the chances of Johnson calling a general election before he officially steps down is effectively zero.

That 'leave' comment reminded me of Johnson's victory speak after the leave vote won, he looked and sounded like he was giving a eulogy.

Originally posted by Robtard
Thanks for the breakdown.

I assume the chances of Johnson calling a general election before he officially steps down is effectively zero.

That 'leave' comment reminded me of Johnson's victory speak after the leave vote won, he looked and sounded like he was giving a eulogy.

He was a journalist before and during the time he was a politician. Everything you need to know about him lies in the fact that in the run up to the Brexit campaign beginning officially, he wrote 2 different articles. One arguing to leave the EU and one arguing to stay in. He chose which line to take entirely based upon which had a better chance of him becoming Prime Minister. That was his only goal. He had absolutely zero principles or policies of which to pursue as Prime Minister. Only that he wanted to be it.

Unsure if he even could call one now that he's PM in name only. If he can, he might because he's spiteful enough to leave as much carnage in his wake as possible.

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
He was a journalist before and during the time he was a politician. Everything you need to know about him lies in the fact that in the run up to the Brexit campaign beginning officially, he wrote 2 different articles. One arguing to leave the EU and one arguing to stay in. He chose which line to take entirely based upon which had a better chance of him becoming Prime Minister. That was his only goal. He had absolutely zero principles or policies of which to pursue as Prime Minister. Only that he wanted to be it.

Unsure if he even could call one now that he's PM in name only. If he can, he might because he's spiteful enough to leave as much carnage in his wake as possible.

Deplorable, but he is clever.

Comically absurd that he both did that and was still allowed to be PM anyways.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jul/08/boris-johnson-lies-brexit-exit?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

Everything tainted by Johnson’s lies needs to be undone. That includes his Brexit
Jonathan Freedland

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jul/10/boris-johnson-out-corruption-tory-mps-resignation?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

Genius Stewart Lee satire.

Originally posted by Robtard
Deplorable, but he is clever.

Comically absurd that he both did that and was still allowed to be PM anyways. He's a great debater; I respect him for that.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jul/10/boris-johnson-out-corruption-tory-mps-resignation?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

Genius Stewart Lee satire. "insert scribble here?" haermm

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jul/10/boris-johnson-out-corruption-tory-mps-resignation?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

Genius Stewart Lee satire.

Originally posted by Robtard
Deplorable, but he is clever.



That pretty much sums him up. He also was seen as a likeable character by the public, something other Tories dont have going for them.

Schrodinger's resignation?

Anyone wanna talk about the next prime minister to be? Anyone?

Okay, I'll just state my opinion.

IMO, Liz Truss looks like the most sensible candidate, but is too much associated with Boris' cabinet despite only recently joining. Sunak is clearly the front runner, but is criticised by Rees-Mogg for being a socialist and despite his popularity, really won't hold well for the public. Honestly, he looks and sounds like Ed Miliband with a tan and a blue tie. Did he remind you he's a conservative? Anyway, Badenock is an exciting true conservative outsider and is very popular with the normies, but even her own party is trying to oust her out and unfortunately, young outsiders can be pretty risky, still love her though. I'm not going to acknowledge the other guy because he's "literally who" so Penny Mordaunt. I don't know what to say about her other than her being a distraction. She's young and physically attractive, but doesn't quite cut it as a leader. She deserves to be where she is as a Brexiteer, but her initial hype is already waning, as is Sunak's.

If the final two are between Sunak and Mordaunt, I think Labour will win the next election with a miserable plurality and no real control.

Truss could possibly lead the party to another electoral victory, but would still have a lot of work to do. It feels like the conservatives are trying their best to get a scapegoat candidate for Starmer to govern miserably.

Sunak held himself best in the debate. Neither Truss or Mordaunt came off particularly well to me. Mordaunt initially seemed to me like a tough nut who could destroy Starmer, but I don't believe that after last night.

Tories have been in power too long, so will probably lose their majority next election regardless. Especially if the economy is not recovered by then.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Sunak held himself best in the debate. Neither Truss or Mordaunt came off particularly well to me. Mordaunt initially seemed to me like a tough nut who could destroy Starmer, but I don't believe that after last night.

Tories have been in power too long, so will probably lose their majority next election regardless. Especially if the economy is not recovered by then. Which is the big question. Who will provide the best economic growth? One thing I've noticed is everything has rised in prices. Everything! It looks like hyper inflation which means a recession is just around the corner.

Originally posted by Blakemore
Okay, I'll just state my opinion.

IMO, Liz Truss looks like the most sensible candidate, but is too much associated with Boris' cabinet despite only recently joining. Sunak is clearly the front runner, but is criticised by Rees-Mogg for being a socialist and despite his popularity, really won't hold well for the public. Honestly, he looks and sounds like Ed Miliband with a tan and a blue tie. Did he remind you he's a conservative? Anyway, Badenock is an exciting true conservative outsider and is very popular with the normies, but even her own party is trying to oust her out and unfortunately, young outsiders can be pretty risky, still love her though. I'm not going to acknowledge the other guy because he's "literally who" so Penny Mordaunt. I don't know what to say about her other than her being a distraction. She's young and physically attractive, but doesn't quite cut it as a leader. She deserves to be where she is as a Brexiteer, but her initial hype is already waning, as is Sunak's.

If the final two are between Sunak and Mordaunt, I think Labour will win the next election with a miserable plurality and no real control.

Truss could possibly lead the party to another electoral victory, but would still have a lot of work to do. It feels like the conservatives are trying their best to get a scapegoat candidate for Starmer to govern miserably. All scum... all of them all complicit to Boris's crimes and should all be in prison.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
All scum... all of them all complicit to Boris's crimes and should all be in prison. Not Badenoch. She's a true outsider and really good at debating and holding her own. Honestly, Labour can't handle her at all.

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And here's her against the SNP.

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Originally posted by Blakemore
Not Badenoch. She's a true outsider and really good at debating and holding her own. Honestly, Labour can't handle her at all.

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And here's her against the SNP.

U5yzYqs94BQ She honestly isn't she is the uk equivalent of Tulsi Gabbard.

Her culture war dog whistling is obvious.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
She honestly isn't she is the uk equivalent of Tulsi Gabbard.

Her culture war dog whistling is obvious. She's nothing like Tulsi Gabbard.

Originally posted by Blakemore
She's nothing like Tulsi Gabbard. She's the daughter of two Doctors who went to Sussex University and pretends she was poor growing up till 16 in Nigeria, when in fact she is from a wealthy family. Dual nationality Nigeria/British like my own kids are usually at least O.K. off financially. She dog whistles against gays and trans people and like Rishi Sunak and most minority Tories, is upper class and rich in their background country, with a very high degree of status and wealth, so white privilege is not a thing for them. She is a millionaire in her own right through Banking jobs acquired through family contacts (probably, its the nigerian way) and married a bank CEO.

She's also unelectable as pm in the uk at a general election.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
She's the daughter of two Doctors who went to Sussex University and pretends she was poor growing up till 16 in Nigeria, when in fact she is from a wealthy family. Dual nationality Nigeria/British like my own kids are usually at least O.K. off financially. I don't know if she's ever pretended to grow up poor, but I recall her claiming to be a self-made millionaire, which you've later confirmed.

A matter of opinion, but you could say that about almost if not all of the entire party

Again, a matter of opinion. Her philosophy is pure individualism, more so than Sunak, and I don't see how you could compare her philosophy to that of Tulsi Gabbard.

Gabbard supports free community college, national healthcare in the US, legalisation of cannabis, Wall Street reform and Universal Basic Income. Now, these are of course U.S. issues, but you've already compared her to other conservatives and none of these sound like policies the Conservative party would agree with. Although, Sunak did give people on benefits an extra 10er to spend so, thanks Rishi.

Right, but as an individual, she got to where she was. You could say I'm privileged, but I'm not a millionaire because I made horrible decisions in my life. You can't really criticise her for being rich or from a rich background. That's what conservaitves are.

I agree she's unelectable as PM because she really is an outsider with no connections to the higher ups of the party, is young, works only as a minister and honestly, I had never heard of her until she chose to run. I think she's merely doing this to get her name out to the public and, for that alone, is doing really well. I can only imagine the look on Jeremy Hunt's face when he came dead last to virtually unseen faces mopping the floor with him.

Originally posted by Blakemore
I don't know if she's ever pretended to grow up poor, but I recall her claiming to be a self-made millionaire, which you've later confirmed.

A matter of opinion, but you could say that about almost if not all of the entire party

Again, a matter of opinion. Her philosophy is pure individualism, more so than Sunak, and I don't see how you could compare her philosophy to that of Tulsi Gabbard.

Gabbard supports free community college, national healthcare in the US, legalisation of cannabis, Wall Street reform and Universal Basic Income. Now, these are of course U.S. issues, but you've already compared her to other conservatives and none of these sound like policies the Conservative party would agree with. Although, Sunak did give people on benefits an extra 10er to spend so, thanks Rishi.

Right, but as an individual, she got to where she was. You could say I'm privileged, but I'm not a millionaire because I made horrible decisions in my life. You can't really criticise her for being rich or from a rich background. That's what conservaitves are.

I agree she's unelectable as PM because she really is an outsider with no connections to the higher ups of the party, is young, works only as a minister and honestly, I had never heard of her until she chose to run. I think she's merely doing this to get her name out to the public and, for that alone, is doing really well. I can only imagine the look on Jeremy Hunt's face when he came dead last to virtually unseen faces mopping the floor with him. She didn't get where she was as an individual. Hardly anyone gets where they are as an individual nepotism is nigeria.

https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/top-news/403851-nepotism-root-cause-of-corruption-in-nigeria-sanusi.html

Just type Nigeria and Nepotism into Google.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
She didn't get where she was as an individual. Hardly anyone gets where they are as an individual nepotism is nigeria.

https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/top-news/403851-nepotism-root-cause-of-corruption-in-nigeria-sanusi.html

Just type Nigeria and Nepotism into Google. What about Gina Yasheri? (I don't know that many Nigerians)

Your point really stems from, she's from a rich family and is criticising CRT because she was never affected by it. I still don't get why you mentioned Tulsi Gabbard.

Speaking of Nigeria, that does look like a shitty government and must be awful for the people there. On the plus side, Badenoch is a Brexiteer who fully supported greater relations with the commonwealth and Nigeria is in fact, in the commonwealth! So, you can see where she's coming from at least, no?

Originally posted by Blakemore
What about Gina Yasheri?

Your point really stems from, she's from a rich family and is criticising CRT because she was never affected by it. I still don't get why you mentioned Tulsi Gabbard. Because she is a lot like Tulsi Gabbard a culture war warrior from a minority.

Gina Yashere, didn't spend her formative years in Nigeria. She like many other British with Africans parents eg. Lenny Henry is far more culturally British. Minority Tories like Sunak and Badenoch want to transplant the class system of their ancestoral countries based on colonial Britain and their tribal systems of local nobility back in Britan, it's time is 5 to 6 decades in the past for the UK. Priti Patel is another one.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Because she is a lot like Tulsi Gabbard a culture war warrior from a minority.

Gina Yashere, didn't spend her formative years in Nigeria. She like Lenny Henry is British through and through culturally. And there it is.

At least you didn't call her Aunt Jemima like that white BLM protester she talked about.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Because she is a lot like Tulsi Gabbard a culture war warrior from a minority.

Gina Yashere, didn't spend her formative years in Nigeria. She like many other British with Africans parents eg. Lenny Henry is far more culturally British. Minority Tories like Sunak and Badenoch want to transplant the class system of their ancestoral countries based on colonial Britain and their tribal systems of local nobility back in Britan, it's time is 5 to 6 decades in the past for the UK. Priti Patel is another one.

It's all about class and wealth for Tories, Rich Muslims, Rich Christian and Republicans. None of these people want anything which affects their control.

Milo Yanni, Gabbard, Badenoch, Tim Pool all cut from the same cloth. If it gets them on shitting on their own... it gets them on.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
It's all about class and wealth for Tories, Rich Muslims, Rich Christian and Republicans. None of these people want anything which affects their control.

Milo Yanni, Gabbard, Badenoch, Tim Pool all cut from the same cloth. If it gets them on shitting on their own... it gets them on. Alright, I understand what you're saying. She's an elitist and you obviously don't like that. I mean, I get it, but I don't know how we can have an alternative other than a full revolution.

These are the top 15 countries for GDP:

United States: $20.89 trillion
China: $14.72 trillion
Japan: $5.06 trillion
Germany: $3.85 trillion
United Kingdom: $2.67 trillion
India: $2.66 trillion
France: $2.63 trillion
Italy: $1.89 trillion
Canada: $1.64 trillion
South Korea: $1.63 trillion
Russia: $1.48 trillion
Brazil: $1.44 trillion
Australia: $1.32 trillion
Spain: $1.28 trillion
Indonesia: $1.05 trillion

https://globalpeoservices.com/top-15-countries-by-gdp-in-2022/

The locations are pretty interesting. India, Indonesia and Australia in the Indian Ocean, China, Korea, Japan, Russia, Canada, U.S.A and Mexico in the north Pacific Ocean, and Britain, Spain, Italy, France and Germany in Europe. (Okay, we left Europe and Russia's being a dick, but these are the strong economies now.

I know I haven't mentioned Africa, but we have to move on from our colonial past.

Yes, I'm sure a lot of Brexiteers probably wanted cheap choc ices from Kenyan labour and hate the Belgian chocolate magnum because it's just a choc ice on a stick. Using that anecdote as a metaphor for a lot of the "good old days" and I understand your gripe with the Conservatives and rich minority conservatives but we don't live in a world of viceroys anymore.

Whenever we have these discussions about global trade Whirly, I keep asking you, what is the alternative?

Originally posted by Blakemore
Alright, I understand what you're saying. She's an elitist and you obviously don't like that. I mean, I get it, but I don't know how we can have an alternative other than a full revolution.

These are the top 15 countries for GDP:

United States: $20.89 trillion
China: $14.72 trillion
Japan: $5.06 trillion
Germany: $3.85 trillion
United Kingdom: $2.67 trillion
India: $2.66 trillion
France: $2.63 trillion
Italy: $1.89 trillion
Canada: $1.64 trillion
South Korea: $1.63 trillion
Russia: $1.48 trillion
Brazil: $1.44 trillion
Australia: $1.32 trillion
Spain: $1.28 trillion
Indonesia: $1.05 trillion

https://globalpeoservices.com/top-15-countries-by-gdp-in-2022/

The locations are pretty interesting. India, Indonesia and Australia in the Indian Ocean, China, Korea, Japan, Russia, Canada, U.S.A and Mexico in the north Pacific Ocean, and Britain, Spain, Italy, France and Germany in Europe. (Okay, we left Europe and Russia's being a dick, but these are the strong economies now.

I know I haven't mentioned Africa, but we have to move on from our colonial past.

Yes, I'm sure a lot of Brexiteers probably wanted cheap choc ices from Kenyan labour and hate the Belgian chocolate magnum because it's just a choc ice on a stick. Using that anecdote as a metaphor for a lot of the "good old days" and I understand your gripe with the Conservatives and rich minority conservatives but we don't live in a world of viceroys anymore.

Whenever we have these discussions about global trade Whirly, I keep asking you, what is the alternative? Nigeria keep the poor so poor most don't have electricity. There's not enough Oil money for all but there's enough for some to live very well. Nigeria has the highest level of poverty per capita in the world. It also has the most billionaires in Africa.

Tory UK will be similar... did you now food banks have increased by 1172% since the Tories came to power. We have 1172 now. We had none before and a working benefits system.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Nigeria keep the poor so poor most don't have electricity. There's not enough Oil money for all but there's enough for some to live very well. Nigeria has the highest level of poverty per capita in the world. It also has the most billionaires in Africa.

Tory UK will be similar... did you now food banks have increased by 1172% since the Tories came to power. We have 1172 now. We had none before and a working benefits system. The argument regarding food banks is they weren't classed as food banks before. Then again, that is an alarming statistic. Can you back that up?

As for Nigeria, could greater relations with the U.K. improve Nigerian society?

#inb4 not with the Tories in power lol

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More on Bradenoch.

Originally posted by Blakemore
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More on Bradenoch. Horrible

Originally posted by Blakemore
The argument regarding food banks is they weren't classed as food banks before. Then again, that is an alarming statistic. Can you back that up?

As for Nigeria, could greater relations with the U.K. improve Nigerian society?

#inb4 not with the Tories in power lol No, it's not classification, food banks did not exist. A quick Google search will do you. Haha, most colonial countries are happy with relations how they are and run by elites until the next revolution, where they usually survive because its a family relative in one of the wealthy families who is usually the senior ranking officer revolting. He'll then either bring back "democracy" through his and the other wealthy families after committing atrocities for ten years as shithole nations nth republic, or reign till he is 80 as God Emperor of shit hole country. It is what it is.

My the way it's a 117200% increase as each 1 of the 1172 is a 100% increase on zero.

Originally posted by Blakemore
The argument regarding food banks is they weren't classed as food banks before. Then again, that is an alarming statistic. Can you back that up?
Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
No, lol. You google it.

Originally posted by Blakemore
As for Nigeria, could greater relations with the U.K. improve Nigerian society?

#inb4 not with the Tories in power lol Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
. Haha, most colonial countries are happy with relations how they are and run by elites until the next revolution, where they usually survive because its a family relative in one of the wealthy families who is usually the senior ranking officer revolting. He'll then either bring back "democracy" through his and the other wealthy families after committing atrocities for ten years as shithole nations nth republic, or reign till he is 80 as God Emperor of shit hole country. It is what it is. Yet here is a Nigerian politician running for the leader of the Conservative party as a young outsider who is already beaten elite politicians and is fighting against being ousted by the elites. Don't you hate elites like Rishi Sunak, Priti Patel, Liz Truss and Boris Johnson? Don't you wish an outsider would run for the Tories? You live in Nigeria and have a Nigerian family. Wouldn't you love for your wife and children to see a Nigerian politician in charge of a major political country? Badenoch even mentions this in her TED talks I posted about how you'd never see Dibango telling Boris Johnson how to run his country, yet Elton John will go to Africa singing songs and helping them run their country.

Originally posted by Blakemore
My the way it's a 117200% increase as each 1 of the 1172 is a 100% increase on zero. By the way, any increase from 0 is an increase of infinity. Next time, get your maths and grammar correct before you try to be condescending.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Horrible Either you didn't watch the video, or dismissed everything she said about elitism, African culture and segregation. You clearly don't know shit about black people. I'm starting to think Surtur was right about you. You compared Bradenoch to Gabbard because they're both minorities (not even realising that Gabbard is a Democrat and Badenoch is a Conservative) so are immediately picking colour over philosophy there and clearly just picked whichever female minority politician in America you could think of.

I'm disappointed in you.

There's something else that bothers me. Why don't you think she'll win a general election?

mmm

Ad hominems aside, why don't I think she can win a general election? A lot of British people voted for Brexit and the others will see straight through her.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Horrible

She's right though. The UK is a country of low expectations. Why else would we be considering her as fit to be Prime Minister?

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
She's right though. The UK is a country of low expectations. Why else would we be considering her as fit to be Prime Minister? Good point

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Ad hominems aside, why don't I think she can win a general election? A lot of British people voted for Brexit and the others will see straight through her. She's a Brexiteer, Whirly.

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
She's right though. The UK is a country of low expectations. Why else would we be considering her as fit to be Prime Minister? The dross of Cameron, May and Johnson? 2 of the candidates were in the front bench and another candidate was Jeremy Hunt?

H1Tsipi-QnM "It is on record."

mmm

Originally posted by Blakemore
She's a Brexiteer, Whirly.
read back

Originally posted by Blakemore


The dross of Cameron, May and Johnson? 2 of the candidates were in the front bench and another candidate was Jeremy Hunt? Jaden already answered this.

To be fair she is more of a British Candice Owens than Gabbard. Spouting to daily mail readers "I'm one of the good ones".

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
read back Okay, got ya. Brexit bad.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Jaden already answered this.

To be fair she is more of a British Candice Owens than Gabbard. Spouting to daily mail readers "I'm one of the good ones". Now you're just embarrassing yourself.

Oh, I just realised. When you said ad hominems aside, you were referring to me, not yourself restraining from attacking me. Then again, you did refer to Badenoch as a British Tulsi Gabbard and then went as far as comparing her to Candace Owens!

Was it the "don't know shit about black people?"

Originally posted by Blakemore
She's a Brexiteer, Whirly.

The dross of Cameron, May and Johnson? 2 of the candidates were in the front bench and another candidate was Jeremy Hunt?

So more of the same. She thinks profits should come before the environment. She thinks profits should come before company ethics. She wants to cut taxes to cut spending. If she thinks company profits are such a priority which taxes do you think she'll cut? Your income tax or national insurance or your fuel taxes? Or do you think she'll cut corporation tax, capital gains taxes?

And what do you think she'll cut in public spending to pay for it?

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
So more of the same. She thinks profits should come before the environment. She thinks profits should come before company ethics. She wants to cut taxes to cut spending. If she thinks company profits are such a priority which taxes do you think she'll cut? Your income tax or national insurance or your fuel taxes? Or do you think she'll cut corporation tax, capital gains taxes?

And what do you think she'll cut in public spending to pay for it? Bingo!

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
So more of the same. She thinks profits should come before the environment. She thinks profits should come before company ethics. She wants to cut taxes to cut spending. If she thinks company profits are such a priority which taxes do you think she'll cut? Your income tax or national insurance or your fuel taxes? Or do you think she'll cut corporation tax, capital gains taxes?

And what do you think she'll cut in public spending to pay for it? I don't know, you'll have to listen to her.

Originally posted by Blakemore
I don't know, you'll have to listen to her.

I did. That's how I know the things I posted about her political positions.

Doesn't fuel tax make petrol cheaper, or does it fund more oil rigs?

Anyway, I don't drive or work and I'm going into rehab to get on the ladder.

Taxes don't really affect me and I'm pretty sure Labour are going to win the next election anyway.

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Funny thing is they all say the same bullshit. That they want to cut taxes "to allow companies to invest and kick-start the economy". The thing is, some of us don't have stunted short term memories. Some of us remember in 2017 when the Wall Street Journal had a meeting of CEO's and asked them when the Trump administration tax cuts were enacted, how many of them would use the tax cuts to invest in their companies, expand and hire new people and almost every single one them said no and that they'd pocket the money for their shareholders. And somehow I don't think there's a massive difference between US CEO's and UK CEO's.

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
Funny thing is they all say the same bullshit. That they want to cut taxes "to allow companies to invest and kick-start the economy". The thing is, some of us don't have stunted short term memories. Some of us remember in 2017 when the Wall Street Journal had a meeting of CEO's and asked them when the Trump administration tax cuts were enacted, how many of them would use the tax cuts to invest in their companies, expand and hire new people and almost every single one them said no and that they'd pocket the money for their shareholders. And somehow I don't think there's a massive difference between US CEO's and UK CEO's. I'm guessing they gave it to the shareholders to pay off their debt to avoid inflation.

That... didn't last long because we are seriously going to hit a recession and I can see it coming. It's almost set in stone that Sunak or Mordaunt will be the next PM with a general election likely to happen sometime next year after the boundary changes in April. This will only save a handful of Tory seats, but next Autumn, Starmer will inherit a huge recession with the Libdems, SNP, Plaid and the Greens giving him confidence and support. (I know it's supply, I'm making a funny in case you missed it.)

Dark times are coming.

No they gave it to their shareholders to put in their offshore bank accounts.

Dark times have been here since 2010. Have you not been paying attention?

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
No they gave it to their shareholders to put in their offshore bank accounts.

Dark times have been here since 2010. Have you not been paying attention? Well, no. In 2010 I was an ambitious 18 year old who made a series of bad decisions and was subjected to a lot of psychological abuse.

That's why I spend most of time on the internet. haermm

Well I'm 100% sure your new favourite Tory won't fund her tax cuts for CEO's by slashing your benefits and shuttering your mental health and rehab support facilities.

100%

Sound mate

👍

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
Well I'm 100% sure your new favourite Tory won't fund her tax cuts for CEO's by slashing your benefits and shuttering your mental health and rehab support facilities.

100%

Sound mate

👍 She's not my favourite. haermm

Besides, I want a job. Liz Truss promises to boost the economy. That means creating jobs. After rehab, I'll be ready!

Originally posted by Blakemore


Besides, I want a job. Liz Truss promises to boost the economy. That means creating jobs. After rehab, I'll be ready!

By cutting taxes for corporations to get them to "invest".

What an unexpected turn of events...

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
By cutting taxes for corporations to get them to "invest".

What an unexpected turn of events... Trickle down economics never works.

Guys, it would make no sense to cut taxes to the average consumer during a time of inflation as it will only make it worse. It's as stupid as printing out more money because people are having to pay more.

Cutting corporate tax would make Britain a somewhat tax haven for multinational corporations and encourage them to come to us, creating jobs and making the pound much more valuable to other currencies.

You can argue that they're going to put the money into their own private banks, maybe they will, but that will still encourage multinational corporations to come to Britain. As I've already stated,
Originally posted by Blakemore
Alright, I understand what you're saying. She's an elitist and you obviously don't like that. I mean, I get it, but I don't know how we can have an alternative other than a full revolution.

These are the top 15 countries for GDP:

United States: $20.89 trillion
China: $14.72 trillion
Japan: $5.06 trillion
Germany: $3.85 trillion
United Kingdom: $2.67 trillion
India: $2.66 trillion
France: $2.63 trillion
Italy: $1.89 trillion
Canada: $1.64 trillion
South Korea: $1.63 trillion
Russia: $1.48 trillion
Brazil: $1.44 trillion
Australia: $1.32 trillion
Spain: $1.28 trillion
Indonesia: $1.05 trillion

https://globalpeoservices.com/top-15-countries-by-gdp-in-2022/

The locations are pretty interesting. India, Indonesia and Australia in the Indian Ocean, China, Korea, Japan, Russia, Canada, U.S.A and Mexico in the north Pacific Ocean, and Britain, Spain, Italy, France and Germany in Europe. (Okay, we left Europe and Russia's being a dick, but these are the strong economies now.

I know I haven't mentioned Africa, but we have to move on from our colonial past.

Yes, I'm sure a lot of Brexiteers probably wanted cheap choc ices from Kenyan labour and hate the Belgian chocolate magnum because it's just a choc ice on a stick. Using that anecdote as a metaphor for a lot of the "good old days" and I understand your gripe with the Conservatives and rich minority conservatives but we don't live in a world of viceroys anymore.

Whenever we have these discussions about global trade Whirly, I keep asking you, what is the alternative? Australia, Canada and India are in the commonwealth. China, Japan, Korea, Mexico, USA and Indonesia are all very active in the Pacific and Indian oceans where Canada, India and Australia happen to be. France, Germany, Spain and Italy, I miss them already. (No seriously, I've been to all of those countries) but it's not to say multinational corporations in those countries still can't do trade with the U.K. A country close by that doesn't abide by E.U. laws. Konw what I'm saying?

The enormous potential value of the pound's purchasing power will keep prices low.

This is how economics work.

https://www.ictsd.org/how-many-companies-leaving-uk-because-of-brexit/

"Over 440 British companies have moved to or from the EU in recent years, most from London. According to an annual report published in 2012.Approximately 7,400 jobs have been moved out of London as a result of the Brexit vote, New Financial notes."

I don't get it. We were in the EU in 2012.

"In 2018, studies published in the UK economy indicated that the Brexit vote cost the British economy 2% of GDP or 2% of GDP."

Seriously, who wrote this article?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/brexit-companies-leaving-uk-list-job-cuts-eu-no-deal-customs-union-a8792296.html

https://www.itv.com/news/2022-06-09/brexit-cost-the-uk-billions-in-lost-trade-and-tax-revenues-research-finds

Etc.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/brexit-companies-leaving-uk-list-job-cuts-eu-no-deal-customs-union-a8792296.html Date: Tuesday 26 February 2019 13:13

We were still in the EU at that time.

But hey, at least you're using google now.

Originally posted by Blakemore
Date: Tuesday 26 February 2019 13:13

We were still in the EU at that time.

But hey, at least you're using google now. https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/brexit-will-cost-uk-workers-470-pounds-year-study-predicts-2022-06-21/

Etc.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/brexit-will-cost-uk-workers-470-pounds-year-study-predicts-2022-06-21/

Etc. "Britain's government said in response to the report that it was working on new legislation to boost growth, and that trade with the EU was now above pre-pandemic levels."

Originally posted by Blakemore
"Britain's government said in response to the report that it was working on new legislation to boost growth, and that trade with the EU was now above pre-pandemic levels." yeah, they did, they've set a lot of things...

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/may/30/brexit-uk-firms-eu-trade-northern-ireland

Sunak or Mordaunt will lose the next election, Truss might just clinch it.

I think it may be between Sunak or Mordaunt, which is just handing it to Starmer.

Even Raab thinks Rayner would have been a much better leader for the opposition.

So yeah. Mordaunt wins, she'll be an embarrassment, Starmer will win the general election and be even further embarrassment with just enough time for the Tories to regroup.

It's almost like it was planned this way.

Originally posted by Blakemore


Cutting corporate tax would make Britain a somewhat tax haven for multinational corporations and encourage them to come to us, creating jobs and making the pound much more valuable to other currencies.



Remind me how much Ireland benefits from that exact taxation policy.

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
Remind me how much Ireland benefits from that exact taxation policy. Probably nothing because they have the Euro.

Tbf Sunak plans to put Corporation Tax up.

As for the next election, it will depend on how the Economy is doing, and if Tories can rebrand their image over the next two years. Because its not like they have to worry about Starmers charm.

The mistake for the electorate would be thinking Starmer is better than a Tory or even a lesser evil. Hes not.

https://www.accountancyage.com/2022/05/24/uk-will-lose-world-leading-corporation-tax-status-with-impending-hike-study-finds/

Great. Just send all the businesses to Europe, Sunak. It doesn't matter if the pound devalues, you gave me an extra tenner a month to make up the difference.

To all the people who work in the U.K. don't shoot me, I'm just the messenger.