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Remember when the right wing posters here said he supported that?
Whirly remembers and wishes the thread still existed in all its far right, sickening, insurgent, pre-revolutionary glory!

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Remember when the right wing posters here said he supported that?
Whirly remembers and wishes the thread still existed in all its far right, sickening, insurgent, pre-revolutionary glory!


Does Biden back the ACLU?

https://www.aclu.org/news/criminal-law-reform/defunding-the-police-will-actually-make-us-safer/


How about civil rights:


https://www.afsc.org/blogs/news-and-commentary/6-reasons-why-its-time-to-defund-police


What you are doing is playing a shell game. You never look at a candidates words at face value. You look at who they support, and who they take contributions from.


Since you never miss an opportunity to point out if a Right leaning person associates with known racists, like you did with Kyle Rittenhouse, I can only assume you know this. And that you are intentionally and deceptively applying a double standard.


Either you're lying. Or you live in a partisan bubble.


I'd vote on the option A personally.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Remember when the right wing posters here said he supported that?
Whirly remembers and wishes the thread still existed in all its far right, sickening, insurgent, pre-revolutionary glory!

Robtard remembers as well.

Biden is all about funding the police so they're better trained, have health professional to deal with mental illness, etc, he's literally pushing for this as part of his agenda.


"President Joe Biden says defunding police is not the answer to stopping gun crimes and killings. He spoke in New York about recent attacks on police and gun violence." -snip

But he's a part of the Radical Left, isn't he??! That's what the Trump rhetoric said at the time, so he must be defunding the police! Therefore Check Mate, Libtards!

I absolutely think law enforcement should be abolished and replaced with peace officers.

Peace officers wouldn't act as foot soliders for the powers that be, but rather would protect people and property.

Currently the great proportion of security is already supplied by market forces i.e. bouncers, security guards, camera companies etc.

It not disgusting to prefer competition among providers of security instead of a Monopoly on it, unless you think monopolies are badass.

Originally posted by cdtm
Does Biden back the ACLU?

https://www.aclu.org/news/criminal-law-reform/defunding-the-police-will-actually-make-us-safer/


How about civil rights:


https://www.afsc.org/blogs/news-and-commentary/6-reasons-why-its-time-to-defund-police


What you are doing is playing a shell game. You never look at a candidates words at face value. You look at who they support, and who they take contributions from.


Since you never miss an opportunity to point out if a Right leaning person associates with known racists, like you did with Kyle Rittenhouse, I can only assume you know this. And that you are intentionally and deceptively applying a double standard.


Either you're lying. Or you live in a partisan bubble.


I'd vote on the option A personally.

A government existing at all is an infringement on one's liberties.

Originally posted by ilikecomics
I absolutely think law enforcement should be abolished and replaced with peace officers.

Peace officers wouldn't act as foot soliders for the powers that be, but rather would protect people and property.

Currently the great proportion of security is already supplied by market forces i.e. bouncers, security guards, camera companies etc.

It not disgusting to prefer competition among providers of security instead of a Monopoly on it, unless you think monopolies are badass.

It seems like you want to do away with the police and replace them with the police.

Originally posted by Robtard
It seems like you want to do away with the police and replace them with the police. Bingo!

Originally posted by Robtard
It seems like you want to do away with the police and replace them with the police.

I want the Monopoly on the production of security and defense to be demonopolized.

Competition allows for the consumers to dictate their level of security, instead of paying for it even if their don't need it (taxation for police).

Plus in most cases the police have impunity from criticism.

It's the difference between a citizen's arrest or a police arrest.
If the citizen is wrong in his analysis he may be tried for kidnapping if the arrest is deemed unlawful.

If a police is wrong, there's no avenue of recourse for the victim.

Originally posted by ilikecomics
I want the Monopoly on the production of security and defense to be demonopolized.

Competition allows for the consumers to dictate their level of security, instead of paying for it even if their don't need it (taxation for police).

Plus in most cases the police have impunity from criticism.

It's the difference between a citizen's arrest or a police arrest.
If the citizen is wrong in his analysis he may be tried for kidnapping if the arrest is deemed unlawful.

If a police is wrong, there's no avenue of recourse for the victim. durcry

Originally posted by Robtard
It seems like you want to do away with the police and replace them with the police.

He also wants to get rid of the state and replace it with the state.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
He also wants to get rid of the state and replace it with the state.

No, I want coercion replaced with voluntarism - like any sane person would.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
He also wants to get rid of the state and replace it with the state.

A bold strategy

Originally posted by Robtard
Robtard remembers as well.

Biden is all about funding the police so they're better trained, have health professional to deal with mental illness, etc, he's literally pushing for this as part of his agenda.


"President Joe Biden says defunding police is not the answer to stopping gun crimes and killings. He spoke in New York about recent attacks on police and gun violence." -snip
See, Brandon's not that stupid after all.

If Biden defunds the police, black people will get away with more crimes.

Then again, we might get away with shooting them more. hmm

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
He also wants to get rid of the state and replace it with the state. Yup

Originally posted by ilikecomics
Competition allows for the consumers to dictate their level of security, instead of paying for it even if their don't need it (taxation for police) Holy f*ck...


Can you imagine needing the police in an emergency and not having them because your small local municipality can't afford to pay for the high priced security forces? Or because contract renewal negotiations have stalled? Who takes over at that point? This shit is straight from the book of Crassus: send your private fire brigade to put out a house fire, but only after the owners have paid your colossal fee, or sold their home and land to you.


It's cute that you want to remove government and regulatory oversight from everything in exchange for "market forces" of capitalism, but you hate monopolies. Monopolies are the natural result of corporate powers unrestrained by government limitation. Remember Standard Oil and the Trusts? Why you believe privately owned monopolization of security into the hands of a few large regional companies won't happen is beyond me.


Not every f*cking industry needs to be privatized or run by corporate overlords. Stop sucking "the market's" dick, it doesn't care about you.

You're dead on about the monopolies forming, big companies either pushing out or consuming the smaller until there's just potentially one selling their service at the price they dictate is fair to them.

I'd also wager that going with the 'lowest bidder' when it comes to police and fire services probably isn't a great idea when this 'free market paradise' forms. Because the lowest bidder would be the ones winning the contracts 9.9 out of 10 times.

Lol

There isn't anything to be done, from here, regarding Biden or friends and their chicanery. The question is- why are we talking about it in this way in this place?

Originally posted by ilikecomics
Lol Proper retort, that.

I can count the amount of times on two hands (maybe one) that I've needed the police in my life. But I'd not want to be in a situation where I need the police and there's none to be had or I get two 19 year old kids with three weeks of training between them showing up because that's all "the community" decided was needed.

Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
There isn't anything to be done, from here, regarding Biden or friends and their chicanery. The question is- why are we talking about it in this way in this place?

Wot?

Originally posted by Robtard
Wot?

That's the question. What are we doing when posting on these boards, discussing these topics in the term and manner in which we do. What psychological itches are we trying to scratch? I take it as a given that no one actually believes quality informative debates/discussions about phenomena occur here, at least at the moment on these questions vis a vis American politics.

Largely passing time and I'd say while there's very little learning/teaching going on, I've learned things I didn't know or had things corrected which were wrong, but thought were right.

Originally posted by Robtard
Largely passing time and I'd say while there's very little learning/teaching going on, I've learned things I didn't know or had things corrected which were wrong, but thought were right.

Passing time, that seems plausible. I was reflecting on the comment you posted prior to the response to mine:



You did nothing wrong, of course. But surely one says- wait a minute, this remark was in response to 'lol'. Is engaging in that kind of discourse fruitful? Even if one finds a speck of gold for every ten tonnes of asbestos they have to dig through, is it worth it?

It seems to me that those of us who have been hanging around for a long time should have invested our time in a select set of threads built upon quality discussion combined with video conference discussions...

Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
Passing time, that seems plausible. I was reflecting on the comment you posted prior to the response to mine:



You did nothing wrong, of course. But surely one says- wait a minute, this remark was in response to 'lol'. Is engaging in that kind of discourse fruitful? Even if one finds a speck of gold for every ten tonnes of asbestos they have to dig through, is it worth it?

It seems to me that those of us who have been hanging around for a long time should have invested our time in a select set of threads built upon quality discussion combined with video conference discussions...

My point with that post to ilikecomics was to give a plausible real-life example and hope that he sees the errors of his thinking. Granted, I suspect that has maybe a 1% chance of working.

Not a terrible idea in regards to the threads. The video conference while good at face value, requires more time and effort that people might not be willing to do. Also video, while it can form a closer bond between the discussers (is that a word?), it doesn't leave a trail of the discussion, which can be detrimental to the nature of forms. eg I've seen similar happen with another forum with live chat, was easier to just call the other person a farty face in the live chat, then to type it out in a thread. Also the nature of the live chat not being permanent brought out the worst in the already worse people.

To my earlier point: I now hope you've gleaned something from me that you hadn't considered, as I have from you

Originally posted by Robtard
My point with that post to ilikecomics was to give a plausible real-life example and hope that he sees the errors of his thinking. Granted, I suspect that has maybe a 1% chance of working.

Not a terrible idea in regards to the threads. The video conference while good at face value, requires more time and effort that people might not be willing to do. Also video, while it can form a closer bond between the discussers (is that a word?), it doesn't leave a trail of the discussion, which can be detrimental to the nature of forms. eg I've seen similar happen with another forum with live chat, was easier to just call the other person a farty face in the live chat, then to type it out in a thread. Also the nature of the chat not being permanent brought out the worst in the already worse people.

To my earlier point: I now hope you've gleaned something from me that you hadn't considered, as I have from you

The video chat was more a suggestion for the long timers, rather than the folks who turn up randomly and last a few days before vanishing/being replaced by a new joker.

Fair point.

Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
Passing time, that seems plausible. I was reflecting on the comment you posted prior to the response to mine:



You did nothing wrong, of course. But surely one says- wait a minute, this remark was in response to 'lol'. Is engaging in that kind of discourse fruitful? Even if one finds a speck of gold for every ten tonnes of asbestos they have to dig through, is it worth it?

It seems to me that those of us who have been hanging around for a long time should have invested our time in a select set of threads built upon quality discussion combined with video conference discussions...

Seemd like more effort to achieve the same end result

Aka

Fůck all

This place is like a local pub. At some point I'm going to be in New York or California. I'd rather pick up a beer physically then if I'm honest. I like the nature of being able to procrastinate for dead and travel time and shit post.

I said lol because they were telling me what I believe instead of asking.

For example, saying " he wants to replace the state with the state LOL !!!!"
it's not a genuine reflection of my beliefs.

I don't say "they want everyone in gulags ! They want to kill white people !!!!"
I ask, as any philosophically minded person would

Originally posted by ilikecomics
I said lol because they were telling me what I believe instead of asking.

For example, saying " he wants to replace the state with the state LOL !!!!"
it's not a genuine reflection of my beliefs.

I don't say "they want everyone in gulags ! They want to kill white people !!!!"
I ask, as any philosophically minded person would dur

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
dur

Originally posted by Robtard
You're dead on about the monopolies forming, big companies either pushing out or consuming the smaller until there's just potentially one selling their service at the price they dictate is fair to them.

I'd also wager that going with the 'lowest bidder' when it comes to police and fire services probably isn't a great idea when this 'free market paradise' forms. Because the lowest bidder would be the ones winning the contracts 9.9 out of 10 times.

https://y.yarn.co/158941d8-303c-41e2-b9e0-29094c03b9f2_text.gif

Originally posted by ilikecomics
I said lol because they were telling me what I believe instead of asking.

For example, saying " he wants to replace the state with the state LOL !!!!"
it's not a genuine reflection of my beliefs.

I don't say "they want everyone in gulags ! They want to kill white people !!!!"
I ask, as any philosophically minded person would

It is, you just want to call it something else, like it makes a lick of a difference.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
It is, you just want to call it something else, like it makes a lick of a difference.

Is the relationship between jailer and prisoner different from the relationship one has with a friend ?

Originally posted by ilikecomics
Is the relationship between jailer and prisoner different from the relationship one has with a friend ? dur

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
dur

Originally posted by ilikecomics
Is the relationship between jailer and prisoner different from the relationship one has with a friend ?

Is a group of people collectively governing themselves not a government, because you call it something different?

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Is a group of people collectively governing themselves not a government, because you call it something different?

That's the problem, no one should tell anyone what to do.
There should be negotiation.
You don't need the government if you make private property supreme and allow people to defend their property however they see fit.

Originally posted by ilikecomics
That's the problem, no one should tell anyone what to do.
There should be negotiation.
You don't need the government if you make private property supreme and allow people to defend their property however they see fit. dur

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
dur

Makes Sense you think people should tell people what to do. You spank you kids.
It's called having an authoritarian impulse.

Originally posted by ilikecomics
Makes Sense you think people should tell people what to do. You spank you kids.
It's called having an authoritarian impulse. dur

Originally posted by ilikecomics
That's the problem, no one should tell anyone what to do.
There should be negotiation.
You don't need the government if you make private property supreme and allow people to defend their property however they see fit.

What the **** do you think goverment is? It is people who agree to follow a set of collectively negotiated rules. You cannot be this stupid.

Moreover private property is not the same thing as personal property. It is almost like you have no ****ing idea what you are talking about.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
What the **** do you think goverment is? It is people who agree to follow a set of collectively negotiated rules. You cannot be this stupid.

Moreover private property is not the same thing as personal property. It is almost like you have no ****ing idea what you are talking about.

The government is a group of predators, similar to the mob.
I'm telling you I'm an anarchist, so I, at the very least, do not support the government. This means it's mob rule, dressed up in a sexy outfit.

Private property is your body and it's effects.

Originally posted by ilikecomics
The government is a group of predators, similar to the mob.
I'm telling you I'm an anarchist, so I, at the very least, do not support the government. This means it's mob rule, dressed up in a sexy outfit.

Private property is your body and it's effects. I mean to be perfectly honest after hearing your opinions I think you are for government you just don't want to call what you want government even though it is.

Originally posted by Newjak
I mean to be perfectly honest after hearing your opinions I think you are for government you just don't want to call what you want government even though it is.

What is government ?

Originally posted by ilikecomics
What is government ? https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/government

there you go

Originally posted by ilikecomics
What is government ? It is in fact a cuntery

Wow this site needs to work on it's censorship

Originally posted by Newjak
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/government

there you go

This is from the dictionary entry you just sent me, representing it as it's most common usage:

"the group of people who control and make decisions for a country, state, etc."

This is what I said based on that definition:

"That's the problem, no one should tell anyone what to do.
There should be negotiation.
You don't need the government if you make private property supreme and allow people to defend their property however they see fit."

In my quote where I say no one should tell anyone what to do, I'm referencing the tiny predatory minority of people that control everyone else.

Not sure really sure where there's a disconnect for you.

Originally posted by ilikecomics
This is from the dictionary entry you just sent me, representing it as it's most common usage:

"the group of people who control and make decisions for a country, state, etc."

This is what I said based on that definition:

"That's the problem, no one should tell anyone what to do.
There should be negotiation.
You don't need the government if you make private property supreme and allow people to defend their property however they see fit."

In my quote where I say no one should tell anyone what to do, I'm referencing the tiny predatory minority of people that control everyone else.

Not sure really sure where there's a disconnect for you. The fact you don't see how you're just putting into place a different governing body is beyond me lol

Originally posted by ilikecomics
The government is a group of predators, similar to the mob.
I'm telling you I'm an anarchist, so I, at the very least, do not support the government. This means it's mob rule, dressed up in a sexy outfit.

That is exactly what a society without government is.



Originally posted by ilikecomics
Private property is your body and it's effects.

No, that is personal property. Private property is when infrastructure that is used collectively is possessed by the few. This is political/economy 101. That you do not understand this demonstrates that you are not prepared to have this conversation.

Originally posted by Newjak
The fact you don't see how you're just putting into place a different governing body is beyond me lol

Yeah, it is ****ing stupid.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
That is exactly what a society without government is.





No, that is personal property. Private property is when infrastructure that is used collectively is possessed by the few. This is political/economy 101. That you do not understand this demonstrates that you are not prepared to have this conversation.

I'm aware. Anarchy good, theft and violence bad.

Private property is your body and it's effects, if you disagree you're saying you don't own your body.

Do you think someone else owns your body ? Never know with the bdsm freaks, maybe they think someone else does own their body.
Personally, I call that slavery.
Owning the effects of someone's body, without recompense is theft.

Concerned that adampoe is pro slavery.

Originally posted by ilikecomics
I'm aware. Anarchy good, theft and violence bad.

Private property is your body and it's effects, if you disagree you're saying you don't own your body.

Do you think someone else owns your body ? Never know with the bdsm freaks, maybe they think someone else does own their body.
Personally, I call that slavery.
Owning the effects of someone's body, without recompense is theft. You mean like if a woman has a zygote attached to, feeding from and growing inside her, it's her body and therefore her property?

Originally posted by Blakemore
You mean like if a woman has a zygote attached to, feeding from and growing inside her, it's her body and therefore her property?

Yeah, definitely. This is why I support the third rail position known as evictionism.

Originally posted by ilikecomics
Concerned that adampoe is pro slavery.

I am concerned that you cannot safely cross the street by yourself.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
I am concerned that you cannot safely cross the street by yourself.

Your lack of knowledge on the basic tenets of private property shouldn't interfere with my ability to cross the street.

Thank you for your concern.

Do you own your body ?

Originally posted by ilikecomics
Your lack of knowledge on the basic tenets of private property shouldn't interfere with my ability to cross the street.

Thank you for your concern.

Do you own your body ? You talk like Mr. Plinkett's impression of Palpatine.

Originally posted by ilikecomics
Your lack of knowledge on the basic tenets of private property shouldn't interfere with my ability to cross the street.

Thank you for your concern.

Do you own your body ?

No, your stupidity is why you do not understand the difference between personal and private property, and why you do not understand why I am concerned that you cannot safely cross the street by yourself. Two situations with the same underlying cause.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
No, your stupidity is why you do not understand the difference between personal and private property, and why you do not understand why I am concerned that you cannot safely cross the street by yourself. Two situations with the same underlying cause.

Do you own your own body tho ?
Why are you dodging that question ?

Originally posted by Blakemore
You talk like Mr. Plinkett's impression of Palpatine.

Idk who mr.plinkett is.

Originally posted by ilikecomics
Do you own your own body tho ?
Why are you dodging that question ?

I am not dodging the question, I am simply not entertaining it, because you only raised it as a deflection. You are trying to change the subject, because you do not understand the difference between personal and private property, and I am simply not allowing you to.

He has issues with words, not what they entail. Keep things the same, just don't call the police the "police" and the government the "government", he'll happy. Very weird.

**** the "protection services."

Down with the "organisation in charge of the country's economy and society"