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I don't remember Marvel ever having match these two up against each other before, for this battle its h2h only Glads can only use his strength, durability and fighting skills and same for Herc, speed is equalized, who wins?

Bump.

Bump.

Glad is stronger.
Herc may be somewhat more skilled though.
This is Glads fight to lose.

Originally posted by h1a8
Glad is stronger.
Herc may be somewhat more skilled though.
This is Glads fight to lose.

A non-jobbing Gladiator should win.

Originally posted by h1a8
Glad is stronger.
Herc may be somewhat more skilled though.
This is Glads fight to lose.

Glads isn't stronger.
Herc is more skilled
Speed is rarely a determining factor in Marvel fights
Herc wins

Lol. Hercules struggles with Wonderman. Gladiator destroys him.

Glads is stronger, faster, more durable and more versatile. Hercules will do extremely well here but he loses this.

Originally posted by JBL
Lol. Hercules struggles with Wonderman. Gladiator destroys him.

Gladiator struggles with cannonball...your point?Originally posted by carver9
Glads is stronger, faster, more durable and more versatile. Hercules will do extremely well here but he loses this.

H2H only, speed equal

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Gladiator struggles with cannonball...your point?

Or Colossus.

But yeah, that's the problem with abc logic.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Or Colossus.

But yeah, that's the problem with abc logic.

True...you can throw Masterson/Living Lightning in there too.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Gladiator struggles with cannonball...your point?

H2H only, speed equal Glads have struggled with a lot of people.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Glads isn't stronger.
Herc is more skilled
Speed is rarely a determining factor in Marvel fights
Herc wins

Bashing a planet to pieces >>> anything I saw Herc do.

I and many others would be shocked if Herc was shown doing the same thing. But I wouldn't be shocked if I seen Glads performed any of Hercs feats. Ergo Glads is stronger.

Glads is often written higher than Herc. Look at his confrontations with Thanos, Jane, etc.

Speed is revelant in a forum fight (this is not a comic fight) but speed is equalized per OP.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Gladiator struggles with cannonball...your point?

H2H only, speed equal
Hercules gets third degree burns from Sauron and fear for his life falling from a building.

Hercules is all hype and no substance.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Gladiator struggles with cannonball...your point?

H2H only, speed equal When did Cannonball go head to head against Gladiator?

Originally posted by JBL
When did Cannonball go head to head against Gladiator? Here......

https://i.imgur.com/qyVG4o1.jpg

Originally posted by lawest9
Here......

https://i.imgur.com/qyVG4o1.jpg Please tell me you're joking.

Originally posted by JBL
Please tell me you're joking. Cannonball punching Glads out after making him doubt himself? Sorry but the scan speaks for itself.

Originally posted by h1a8
Bashing a planet to pieces >>> anything I saw Herc do.

I and many others would be shocked if Herc was shown doing the same thing. But I wouldn't be shocked if I seen Glads performed any of Hercs feats. Ergo Glads is stronger.

Glads is often written higher than Herc. Look at his confrontations with Thanos, Jane, etc.

Speed is revelant in a forum fight (this is not a comic fight) but speed is equalized per OP.

Cheese feat.

Herc is a better combatant with strength that doesn't waver.

No he's not him and his whole crew were beaten off panel

Speed in this match is irrelevant. Don't be obtuse.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Hercules gets third degree burns from Sauron and fear for his life falling from a building.

Hercules is all hype and no substance.

And yet he's an elite strong man. Go figure

Originally posted by JBL
When did Cannonball go head to head against Gladiator?

You should know to the character before debating them

That'll do it.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Cheese feat.

Herc is a better combatant with strength that doesn't waver.

No he's not him and his whole crew were beaten off panel

Speed in this match is irrelevant. Don't be obtuse.



And yet he's an elite strong man. Go figure



You should know to the character before debating them

Cheese feat is still a feat.
Also you didn't address Marvel's portrayal of him being above Jane and closer to Thanos than other heralds.

And I gave Herc the better skill. But Glads is still stronger and more durable.

Cannonball has a really high invulnerability and can absorb/rechannel kinetic force.

He's tailor-made to face the big guys, unless he feels like jobbing. Best to leave him out of this debate.

Better to counter the Wonder Man example with Colossus, as they are both pretty "standard" bricks - and both supposedly lower in the food chain than Herc and Glads.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Or Colossus.

But yeah, that's the problem with abc logic. and of course had to be saved from Rom, which isn't a low feat as Rom is almost in a class of his own.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Cannonball has a really high invulnerability and can absorb/rechannel kinetic force.

He's tailor-made to face the big guys, unless he feels like jobbing. Best to leave him out of this debate.

Better to counter the Wonder Man example with Colossus, as they are both pretty "standard" bricks - and both supposedly lower in the food chain than Herc and Glads. Wonderman's power set is certainly not brick level and if he uses his full powers etc... he would be very serious.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Wonderman's power set is certainly not brick level and if he uses his full powers etc... he would be very serious.

"Brick" term applies to anyone, as long it's a pure physical brawl. Even Superman acts as a brick plenty of times.

Wonder Man is a brick who often forgets he can fly

Originally posted by h1a8
Cheese feat is still a feat.
Also you didn't address Marvel's portrayal of him being above Jane and closer to Thanos than other heralds.

And I gave Herc the better skill. But Glads is still stronger and more durable.

It's not applicable here.

She blasted him with lightning, he hit her twice (hv, uppercut), she she hit him with the hammer, then his son blasted her from behind, she had glads on his knees, she got caught monologuing and glads choked her out. Then she went on to beat his superiors. Non fight

There is nothing anywhere that states Gladiator is closer to Thanos than other heralds.

Based on what? There isn't a strength feat he has that Hercules can't match and glads has low feats that depict otherwise.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
It's not applicable here.

She blasted him with lightning, he hit her twice (hv, uppercut), she she hit him with the hammer, then his son blasted her from behind, she had glads on his knees, she got caught monologuing and glads choked her out. Then she went on to beat his superiors. Non fight

There is nothing anywhere that states Gladiator is closer to Thanos than other heralds.

Based on what? There isn't a strength feat he has that Hercules can't match and glads has low feats that depict otherwise.

Choking someone out like they are beneath you is Marvel way of portraying that Glads is physically superior to her.
She needs Mjolnir along with other abilities just to contend with him.

Thanos gave a dialogue that told readers that Glads is very close to his level and that he should avoid fighting him. That is why Thanos avoided fighting Glads.

Herc has no feats that can match bashing a planet to pieces.


No one would be surprised is Glads pulled off every Herc strength feat.
Facts.

But most would be surprised if we see Herc bash a planet to pieces.
Facts.

See the difference?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
"Brick" term applies to anyone, as long it's a pure physical brawl. Even Superman acts as a brick plenty of times.

Wonder Man is a brick who often forgets he can fly and teleport, change size and shape and density, shoot blasts from any part of his body etc.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Cheese feat.

Herc is a better combatant with strength that doesn't waver.

No he's not him and his whole crew were beaten off panel

Speed in this match is irrelevant. Don't be obtuse.



And yet he's an elite strong man. Go figure



You should know to the character before debating them
Elite strong man compared to who? Gladiator has defeated both Beta Ray Bill and Jane Thor.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
and teleport, change size and shape and density, shoot blasts from any part of his body etc.

And he still gets portrayed as a brick who forgets about flight (or needs the special gear for it) most of the time.

The Ionic thing gives him plenty of vulnerabilities, rather than extra options.

But enough of that. Let's stay on topic.

He was slugging it out with Herc. Not any different from Glads/Colossus battle.

You can discuss the imaginary versatile version capable of getting one-shotted by Black Widow or punked by Ares the Underachiever in some other thread

Originally posted by abhilegend
Elite strong man compared to who? Gladiator has defeated both Beta Ray Bill and Jane Thor.

Sin is just moist for Herc's hairy chest.

Originally posted by h1a8
Choking someone out like they are beneath you is Marvel way of portraying that Glads is physically superior to her.
She needs Mjolnir along with other abilities just to contend with him.

Thanos gave a dialogue that told readers that Glads is very close to his level and that he should avoid fighting him. That is why Thanos avoided fighting Glads.

Herc has no feats that can match bashing a planet to pieces.


No one would be surprised is Glads pulled off every Herc strength feat.
Facts.

But most would be surprised if we see Herc bash a planet to pieces.
Facts.

See the difference?

Bashing a planet is a cheese feat...an outlier and hardly an indicator of his operating strength. Besides why would Hercules , a brick, destroy ta planet when he lacks the means to propel himself. Don't be obtuse.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Elite strong man compared to who? Gladiator has defeated both Beta Ray Bill and Jane Thor.

I already explained the Jane feat. It's been awhile since I read that guardian issue I'd have to reread. Elite strong man in comparison to Hulk, Thing, Sentry, Colossus ect..

Lol @ Colossus or Thing at comparison.

He has also defeated Beta Ray Bill. Hercules doesn't has a single win on any Thor level beings.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Lol @ Colossus or Thing at comparison.

He has also defeated Beta Ray Bill. Hercules doesn't has a single win on any Thor level beings.


Y lol, did he not struggle with Colossus? Didn't he struggle with Heimdall, Masterson (Thor light), didn't he say himself that Thor was too strong for him? I also said I'd reread that Guardians issue since iirc there's context to that fight.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Y lol, did he not struggle with Colossus? Didn't he struggle with Heimdall, Masterson (Thor light), didn't he say himself that Thor was too strong for him? I also said I'd reread that Guardians issue since iirc there's context to that fight. I remember Gladiator once saying that he 'underestimated Thor's strength '.

Originally posted by lawest9
I remember Gladiator once saying that he 'underestimated Thor's strength '.

I don't recall that...I remember Gladiator saying Thor was too strong.for him to kill. Might've been Zarko he was talking to.. years ago

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Y lol, did he not struggle with Colossus?

Not so much struggle as it was Colossus punching above his weight briefly and refusing to go down. The fight ends when the moon building falls on them.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Y lol, did he not struggle with Colossus? Didn't he struggle with Heimdall, Masterson (Thor light), didn't he say himself that Thor was too strong for him? I also said I'd reread that Guardians issue since iirc there's context to that fight.

He choked Jane Thor to sleep with one hand.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Not so much struggle as it was Colossus punching above his weight briefly and refusing to go down. The fight ends when the moon building falls on them.

I see it differently I suppose. If Gladiator is that far ahead of Colossus as some would allude then why wasn't he one shot? That's typically what happens when someone is out of the others league. We also know he has a hard limit, Black Bolt, Ikon and Rom. So it's not as if he's some trans tier beast. Originally posted by carver9
He choked Jane Thor to sleep with one hand.

He was also on his knees before she got distracted by Kid Gladiator...your point?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Y lol, did he not struggle with Colossus? Didn't he struggle with Heimdall, Masterson (Thor light), didn't he say himself that Thor was too strong for him? I also said I'd reread that Guardians issue since iirc there's context to that fight.
No, he beat the shit out of Heimdall and Masterson was as strong as Thor and had to cheapshot Gladiator. Future Gladiator knocked Thor the **** out.

There's no context. Gladiator has received a hell of push last few years and is genuinely above Thor now.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
I see it differently I suppose. If Gladiator is that far ahead of Colossus as some would allude then why wasn't he one shot? That's typically what happens when someone is out of the others league. We also know he has a hard limit, Black Bolt, Ikon and Rom. So it's not as if he's some trans tier beast.

He was also on his knees before she got distracted by Kid Gladiator...your point?

Eh, I would say that as impressive as Colossus can be, Gladiator is still solidly above him by a decent distance. But some people overrate him at the same time which doesn't help.

Originally posted by Sin I AM


He was also on his knees before she got distracted by Kid Gladiator...your point?

She knocked him down and he got up off the ground and choked her to sleep with ONE HAND!!! She couldn't even get out of it. I don't know why you're mentioning him being on the ground. Are you saying he was hurt? If so, a hurt Gladiator choked Jane Thor out with one harm? Impressive.

Lol. The moment it's stated that Gladiator is stronger than Hulk and Hyperion COMBINED, certain people get to crying. I have told people of Gladiators near limitless Strength since I joined this site. Now he's overated, he struggles with certain characters, his statements are hyperbole, every excuse in the book. Gladiator wins here. The same way you try and force feed people statements about a certain OTHER character, eat these FACTS about Kallark Strength.

Originally posted by abhilegend
No, he beat the shit out of Heimdall and Masterson was as strong as Thor and had to cheapshot Gladiator. Future Gladiator knocked Thor the **** out.

There's no context. Gladiator has received a hell of push last few years and is genuinely above Thor now.

Masterson is less than Thor. Reread the fight.

Believe what you will


Originally posted by -Pr-
Eh, I would say that as impressive as Colossus can be, Gladiator is still solidly above him by a decent distance. But some people overrate him at the same time which doesn't help.

👍Agreed

Originally posted by carver9
She knocked him down and he got up off the ground and choked her to sleep with ONE HAND!!! She couldn't even get out of it. I don't know why you're mentioning him being on the ground. Are you saying he was hurt? If so, a hurt Gladiator choked Jane Thor out with one harm? Impressive.

They exchanged two attacks each, his hv and an uppercut and her lighting and a hammer hit. He was down and got an assist from his son. She was surprised they were after her and got choked out by Gladiator.

What's amazing is your lack of comprehension. Gladiator is the be all end-all correct? Then why pray tell did he have to wait for a low tier godling sentry to blink and after flying ftl over 2 galaxies and STILL not manage to one shot him? Your wankery knows no bounds.

You know if Gladiator is so impressive...why did the Shiar gods choose Jane over him? They said it themselves how embarrassing he was.



Originally posted by JBL
Lol. The moment it's stated that Gladiator is stronger than Hulk and Hyperion COMBINED, certain people get to crying. I have told people of Gladiators near limitless Strength since I joined this site. Now he's overated, he struggles with certain characters, his statements are hyperbole, every excuse in the book. Gladiator wins here. The same way you try and force feed people statements about a certain OTHER character, eat these FACTS about Kallark Strength.

Calm down... I don't like your energy

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Masterson is less than Thor. Reread the fight.

Believe what you will




👍Agreed



They exchanged two attacks each, his hv and an uppercut and her lighting and a hammer hit. He was down and got an assist from his son. She was surprised they were after her and got choked out by Gladiator.

What's amazing is your lack of comprehension. Gladiator is the be all end-all correct? Then why pray tell did he have to wait for a low tier godling sentry to blink and after flying ftl over 2 galaxies and STILL not manage to one shot him? Your wankery knows no bounds.

You know if Gladiator is so impressive...why did the Shiar gods choose Jane over him? They said it themselves how embarrassing he was.




Calm down... I don't like your energy He accuse others of bringing a certain character (whom I won't name) into this thread but he's the one that starts it up himself and he does wank Gladiator extremely hard, he goes off a lot of hearsay without on unproven off panel "feats".

without lowballing either of them i'd say it's pretty close to a split if we look at them through a long lens. with the way they've been currently portrayed glads would have the edge. i don't see hulk treating herc the way he treated glads though. at least he never has, in all their fights--and there have been quite a few of them.

Originally posted by lawest9
He accuse others of bringing a certain character (whom I won't name) into this thread but he's the one that starts it up himself and he does wank Gladiator extremely hard, he goes off a lot of hearsay without on unproven off panel "feats".

Meh he's transparent. No worries

Originally posted by leonidas
without lowballing either of them i'd say it's pretty close to a split if we look at them through a long lens. with the way they've been currently portrayed glads would have the edge. i don't see hulk treating herc the way he treated glads though. at least he never has, in all their fights--and there have been quite a few of them.

Gladiator would win imo if it was a standard fight. But since he doesn't have HV, flight and speed is equalized then Hercules has the advantage since he's a better h2h combatant. Everyone else is arguing semantics to save face

Originally posted by JBL
Lol. The moment it's stated that Gladiator is stronger than Hulk and Hyperion COMBINED, certain people get to crying. I have told people of Gladiators near limitless Strength since I joined this site. Now he's overated, he struggles with certain characters, his statements are hyperbole, every excuse in the book. Gladiator wins here. The same way you try and force feed people statements about a certain OTHER character, eat these FACTS about Kallark Strength.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Meh he's transparent. No worries



Gladiator would win imo if it was a standard fight. But since he doesn't have HV, flight and speed is equalized then Hercules has the advantage since he's a better h2h combatant. Everyone else is arguing semantics to save face Glads is significantly stronger if we go by feats and portrayals.
You only have an argument by lowballing Glads (looking at his lowest).

Master son Thor = Thor is strength (but not experience).
Herc is not going to one hand choke Jane like she is a child.
Herc strained like hell when towing Manhattan.

Originally posted by h1a8
Glads is significantly stronger if we go by feats and portrayals.
You only have an argument by lowballing Glads (looking at his lowest).

Master son Thor = Thor is strength (but not experience).
Herc is not going to one hand choke Jane like she is a child.
Herc strained like hell when towing Manhattan.

I keep hearing this...what feats? I'm not saying Hercules is unstoppable but Gladiator is up and down a lot. And he has a hard limiter on his abilities. Rom, Rachel Grey, Black Bolt, that super Skrull can't remember his name.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Not so much struggle as it was Colossus punching above his weight briefly and refusing to go down. The fight ends when the moon building falls on them.

They were portrayed as equals:



And that's just a single page. There's more.


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Much less to analyze in the very brief scuffle of WM/Herc:

https://panels-of-interest.tumblr.com/post/154079619465/hercules-vs-wonder-man-from-the-avengers-1963

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
They were portrayed as equals:



And that's just a single page. There's more.


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Much less to analyze in the very brief scuffle of WM/Herc:

https://panels-of-interest.tumblr.com/post/154079619465/hercules-vs-wonder-man-from-the-avengers-1963

He might be talking about Hercules v WM/Ares...but Hydra blood makes Her bloodlusted

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
They were portrayed as equals:



And that's just a single page. There's more.


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Much less to analyze in the very brief scuffle of WM/Herc:

https://panels-of-interest.tumblr.com/post/154079619465/hercules-vs-wonder-man-from-the-avengers-1963

I didn't buy them as equals then and I don't do it now.

If Gladiator was having a real off-day, then sure, it works, but his subsequent feats separate them handily.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
He might be talking about Hercules v WM/Ares...but Hydra blood makes Her bloodlusted

But WM was like a total non-factor there... appeared only for the comic relief moments or when he tried talking some sense to Herc and Herc was listening to him... the actual combatants were Herc and Ares.

So I kinda doubt that's what JBL had in mind.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I didn't buy them as equals then and I don't do it now.

Impartial narrator, Colossus' statement and the fight itself all strongly disagree with you.

Originally posted by -Pr-
If Gladiator was having a real off-day, then sure, it works, but his subsequent feats separate them handily.

Gladiator is not Superman. He's all over the place.

Remember Corsair's pistols? Under Claremont, too.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
But WM was like a total non-factor there... appeared only for the comic relief moments or when he tried talking some sense to Herc and Herc was listening to him... the actual combatants were Herc and Ares.

So I kinda doubt that's what JBL had in mind.



Impartial narrator, Colossus' statement and the fight itself all strongly disagree with you.



Gladiator is not Superman. He's all over the place.

Remember Corsair's pistols? Under Claremont, too.

If you want to put it down to him having a shit day and his confidence being low, then I have no problem with that.

I just find it hard to call them true equals when a building falls on them and one of them walks out dragging the other. It's an inconsistency within the fight itself.

Come to think of it I can't recall WM having any good feats unless you count ionic which to me is a different character

Originally posted by -Pr-
It's an inconsistency within the fight itself.

Not necessarily.

Perhaps Colossus got the worst of it?

Gladiator won, yes, but he was a mess, emerging "slowly and painfully" from under the rabble.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Come to think of it I can't recall WM having any good feats unless you count ionic which to me is a different character

Ionic Wonder Man lost to Black Widow.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Masterson is less than Thor. Reread the fight.

Believe what you will




👍Agreed



They exchanged two attacks each, his hv and an uppercut and her lighting and a hammer hit. He was down and got an assist from his son. She was surprised they were after her and got choked out by Gladiator.

What's amazing is your lack of comprehension. Gladiator is the be all end-all correct? Then why pray tell did he have to wait for a low tier godling sentry to blink and after flying ftl over 2 galaxies and STILL not manage to one shot him? Your wankery knows no bounds.

You know if Gladiator is so impressive...why did the Shiar gods choose Jane over him? They said it themselves how embarrassing he was.





Calm down... I don't like your energy
No, he wasn't lower than Thor.

Originally posted by leonidas
without lowballing either of them i'd say it's pretty close to a split if we look at them through a long lens. with the way they've been currently portrayed glads would have the edge. i don't see hulk treating herc the way he treated glads though. at least he never has, in all their fights--and there have been quite a few of them.
You mean like Immortal Hulk shrugging off both Hercules and Jane Thor simultaneously? Or WWH turning his face into ham?

Gladiator stomps this.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Not necessarily.

Perhaps Colossus got the worst of it?

Gladiator won, yes, but he was a mess, emerging "slowly and painfully" from under the rabble.



Ionic Wonder Man lost to Black Widow.

He might have. I don't consider it a particularly well done scene as it is.

And like I said I don't mind it being a bad day for Gladiator either.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You mean like Immortal Hulk shrugging off both Hercules and Jane Thor simultaneously? Or WWH turning his face into ham?

Allow me to join the party:

https://i.ibb.co/hgXW88b/RCO013-w-1491812967.jpg https://i.ibb.co/HC7kwDS/RCO014-1491812967.jpg

Never forget what D listers from the Masters of Evil did to Herc. They would never have done that to Wonderman, say.

Originally posted by -Pr-
He might have. I don't consider it a particularly well done scene as it is.

And like I said I don't mind it being a bad day for Gladiator either.

There are other things you need to consider:

Gladiator was 100% fresh. Colossus wasn't. He battled (and beat) C'cil.

Gladiator got 2 cheapshots in.

Colossus still recovered and rejoined the battle.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Never forget what D listers from the Masters of Evil did to Herc. They would never have done that to Wonderman, say.

Herc was drugged:

https://64.media.tumblr.com/8bbf432da3fe860e1e0cda56bf91242d/tumblr_oa97mwvPXV1rvm5qqo1_1280.jpg

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Not necessarily.

Perhaps Colossus got the worst of it?

Gladiator won, yes, but he was a mess, emerging "slowly and painfully" from under the rabble.



Ionic Wonder Man lost to Black Widow. missed this, rofl... The chokehold on the man who doesn't read some of the " best" comic writing ever and why debating comics is ridiculous really in a single panel.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
There are other things you need to consider:

Gladiator was 100% fresh. Colossus wasn't. He battled (and beat) C'cil.

Gladiator got 2 cheapshots in.

Colossus still recovered and rejoined the battle.

Okay, I'll give you those. Fair points.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
There are other things you need to consider:

Gladiator was 100% fresh. Colossus wasn't. He battled (and beat) C'cil.

Gladiator got 2 cheapshots in.

Colossus still recovered and rejoined the battle.



Herc was drugged:

https://64.media.tumblr.com/8bbf432da3fe860e1e0cda56bf91242d/tumblr_oa97mwvPXV1rvm5qqo1_1280.jpg and beaten the shit out of D listers.

https://i.imgur.com/f1YO0b6.jpeg

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
missed this, rofl... The chokehold on the man who doesn't read some of the " best" comic writing ever and why debating comics is ridiculous really in a single panel. Read = *breath

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
missed this, rofl... The chokehold on the man who doesn't read some of the " best" comic writing ever and why debating comics is ridiculous really in a single panel.

It does make sense, in-universe.

The Serpent Society always had the access to super-drugs and toxins, capable of bypassing healing factors, small g "gods" and other metahumans. That's their whole thing.

Herc's terrible state was noted again by both his teammates and Masters. He still put up the fight, before he was overwhelmed by their numbers.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
and beaten the shit out of D listers.

By a team of Thor villains, you mean. Who kept reminding the readers about Herc's poor state.

And he did beat Tiger Shark there.

If we wanna talk about out-of-context ownage and cheapshots, then Simon is the true king in that department:

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/1/12397/1460035-764546_4da9x8.jpg_super.jpeg

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Read = *breath Even a vascular choke is ridiculous because... no blood :rofl:

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Read = *breath

Oh, you were replying to that Black Widow part?

It's the Widow Blast that did the job, to be fair.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
and beaten the shit out of D listers.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
By a team of Thor villains, you mean.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
and beaten the shit out of D listers.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
By a team of Thor villains, you mean.

I mean....

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
and beaten the shit out of D listers.

Walked right into that one.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Oh, you were replying to that Black Widow part?

It's the Widow Blast that did the job, to be fair. equally as hilarious, but no the vascular choke was the coup de grace. :rotfl: and overwhelmed by numbers means Josten grabbed his leg and Hulk/Lokied him.

https://i.ibb.co/pv2J84D/RCO016-1616125010.jpg https://i.ibb.co/HYP0xvY/RCO020-1616125010.jpg https://i.ibb.co/27XPqwF/RCO021-1616125010.jpg

Pretty good for someone who was in a terrible condition to begin with.


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Meanwhile, in the WonderWhirly universe...

https://i.ibb.co/9bZcDMb/RCO029-1603383858.jpg

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
https://i.ibb.co/pv2J84D/RCO016-1616125010.jpg https://i.ibb.co/HYP0xvY/RCO020-1616125010.jpg https://i.ibb.co/27XPqwF/RCO021-1616125010.jpg

Pretty good for someone who was in a terrible condition to begin with.


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Meanwhile, in the WonderWhirly universe...

https://i.ibb.co/9bZcDMb/RCO029-1603383858.jpg yeah, the guy who took the nega bomb... yeah, he was doing OK till Josten a guy Wondy whipped, grabbed a leg.

Again, Herc was drugged, which was mentioned 10 times in the same book.

Let's not forget how Simon died

https://i.imgur.com/kWSiSZV.png

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Masterson is less than Thor. Reread the fight.

Believe what you will




👍Agreed



They exchanged two attacks each, his hv and an uppercut and her lighting and a hammer hit. He was down and got an assist from his son. She was surprised they were after her and got choked out by Gladiator.

What's amazing is your lack of comprehension. Gladiator is the be all end-all correct? Then why pray tell did he have to wait for a low tier godling sentry to blink and after flying ftl over 2 galaxies and STILL not manage to one shot him? Your wankery knows no bounds.

You know if Gladiator is so impressive...why did the Shiar gods choose Jane over him? They said it themselves how embarrassing he was.





Calm down... I don't like your energy

Post didn't make one bit of sense. Wonder Woman would never get up off the ground and choke Superman to sleep with one arm. Juggernaut would never get off the ground and choke Thanos to sleep with one arm. Rogue would never get up off the ground and choke Thor to sleep with one arm. Want to know why? Because these people are powerful enough to get out of an attack like that, especially with one arm. Jane couldn't do a thing and she was helpless and got put to sleep.

Why are you mentioning Sentry?

They chose Jane because of Mjlonir. She had the tools for the Phoenix ForcFORCE. Trying to understand what this have to do with Gladiator getting up off the ground and one hand choking her like she was nothing. You can try to throw out context all you want but none of the people above would get choked out the same way by the people I mentioned above for obvious reasons.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Again, Herc was drugged, which was mentioned 10 times in the same book.

Let's not forget how Simon died

https://i.imgur.com/kWSiSZV.png Remember when iron man knocked herc out with mains electricity? I'll look for a scan.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Remember when iron man knocked herc out with mains electricity? I'll look for a scan. I tried to find that scan too and couldn't, I think it happened in a issue of Champions.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Remember when iron man knocked herc out with mains electricity? I'll look for a scan.

Your hangover boner for Simon is embarrassing, put on some pants!

Originally posted by carver9
Post didn't make one bit of sense. Wonder Woman would never get up off the ground and choke Superman to sleep with one arm. Juggernaut would never get off the ground and choke Thanos to sleep with one arm. Rogue would never get up off the ground and choke Thor to sleep with one arm. Want to know why? Because these people are powerful enough to get out of an attack like that, especially with one arm. Jane couldn't do a thing and she was helpless and got put to sleep.

Why are you mentioning Sentry?

They chose Jane because of Mjlonir. She had the tools for the Phoenix ForcFORCE. Trying to understand what this have to do with Gladiator getting up off the ground and one hand choking her like she was nothing. You can try to throw out context all you want but none of the people above would get choked out the same way by the people I mentioned above for obvious reasons.


I didn't bring up Sentry.
I didn't bring up Wonder Woman
I didn't bring up Superman
I didn't bring up Thanos
I didn't bring up Juggernaut
I didn't bring up Rogue....you know why? They're not in this thread

They chose Jane because she was better. I'm glad you agree.

I already said she was choked out after his son got her off his ass. An assist is an assist

Now can you explain why a high herald couldn't one shot a low meta when he's stronger than hulk and Hyperion combined and traveled faster than light in the blink of a god's eye?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW


Walked right into that one.

Also, as regards this:

Originally posted by -Pr-
Okay, I'll give you those. Fair points.

Claremont ****ed up. Colossus isn't supposed to get tired/worn out in metal form.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
I didn't bring up Sentry.
I didn't bring up Wonder Woman
I didn't bring up Superman
I didn't bring up Thanos
I didn't bring up Juggernaut
I didn't bring up Rogue....you know why? They're not in this thread

They chose Jane because she was better. I'm glad you agree.

I already said she was choked out after his son got her off his ass. An assist is an assist

Now can you explain why a high herald couldn't one shot a low meta when he's stronger than hulk and Hyperion combined and traveled faster than light in the blink of a god's eye? He didn't one shot him because that was NOT part of the story. This is a battle board, not a comic book, in the comics characters that should lose their heads fighting ultra strong characters don't go down because of a story. On a battle board they would get killed almost instantly fighting certain characters. Gladiator would one shot kill Colossus on a battle board because there's no writer to save him.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Also, as regards this:



Claremont ****ed up. Colossus isn't supposed to get tired/worn out in metal form.

Boosted stamina/endurance doesn't mean he can ignore the cumulative effects of superhuman blows.

Even with the power of Cyttorak on top of his own, he didn't have such luxury.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Boosted stamina/endurance doesn't mean he can ignore the cumulative effects of superhuman blows.

Even with the power of Cyttorak on top of his own, he didn't have such luxury.

I considered that, and honestly I'm not sure. I mean, if we suppose that Claremont always intended to write Colossus as having bones/blood/muscles in metal form, I'd be all right with it. But I'm not sure he did.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
and beaten the shit out of D listers.

https://i.imgur.com/f1YO0b6.jpeg Goliath was not even close to being at full strength either.

And neither was Herc, who was drugged and already took a beating right before that.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
And neither was Herc, who was drugged and already took a beating right before that. Avengers 163, the notorious mains electricity incident.https://i.imgur.com/eMPjg2E.jpeg
A god laid low by the ring main.
https://i.imgur.com/6WlTqiU.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/SHLfLzW.jpeg

To put this in perspective I accidently electrocuted myself... and was relatively fine.

It's a noble feat.

Hyperion, who survived two universes colliding on him, was also taken out by mains electricity.

Widow Bite is electricity-based, too:

https://i.ibb.co/fSTPqz7/bite.png

Originally posted by Sin I AM
I didn't bring up Sentry.
I didn't bring up Wonder Woman
I didn't bring up Superman
I didn't bring up Thanos
I didn't bring up Juggernaut
I didn't bring up Rogue....you know why? They're not in this thread

They chose Jane because she was better. I'm glad you agree.

I already said she was choked out after his son got her off his ass. An assist is an assist

Now can you explain why a high herald couldn't one shot a low meta when he's stronger than hulk and Hyperion combined and traveled faster than light in the blink of a god's eye?

You did bring up Sentry. I brought those people up for a reason (common sense reason).

They chose Jane because of Mjlonir and plot. Did you read the comic?

Superboy could assist Captain Marvel in a fight against Thanos and she would never get off the ground and choke Thanos to sleep with one hand because Thanos is too strong (stronger than her) and far more powerful. Do I need to make a thread so that people can assist you with common sense?

What meta didn't he ko? Also, just know that I am going to use this against you with Hercules (and any other character that didn't one shot a meta).

Originally posted by carver9
You did bring up Sentry. I brought those people up for a reason (common sense reason).

They chose Jane because of Mjlonir and plot. Did you read the comic?

Superboy could assist Captain Marvel in a fight against Thanos and she would never get off the ground and choke Thanos to sleep with one hand because Thanos is too strong (stronger than her) and far more powerful. Do I need to make a thread so that people can assist you with common sense?

What meta didn't he ko? Also, just know that I am going to use this against you with Hercules (and any other character that didn't one shot a meta).

She didn't bring Sentry up. You just can't read.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
She didn't bring Sentry up. You just can't read.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It's a noble feat.

Hyperion, who survived two universes colliding on him, was also taken out by mains electricity. Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Widow Bite is electricity-based, too:

https://i.ibb.co/fSTPqz7/bite.png Yup, Electricity has always led to pis for heralds.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW




Would it ever be acknowledged? Time will tell.

Originally posted by carver9
You did bring up Sentry. I brought those people up for a reason (common sense reason).

They chose Jane because of Mjlonir and plot. Did you read the comic?

Superboy could assist Captain Marvel in a fight against Thanos and she would never get off the ground and choke Thanos to sleep with one hand because Thanos is too strong (stronger than her) and far more powerful. Do I need to make a thread so that people can assist you with common sense?

What meta didn't he ko? Also, just know that I am going to use this against you with Hercules (and any other character that didn't one shot a meta).

Are you confused?

Now I'm confused.

Heimdell. You'd have to use the exact same circumstances then. Show me a non holding back herald, flying over two galaxies in the blink of a god's eye and failing to ko a meta. Compare that to the only one other close example but he's trans tier or higher and he knocked out a multiversal being.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Are you confused?

Now I'm confused.

Heimdell. You'd have to use the exact same circumstances then. Show me a non holding back herald, flying over two galaxies in the blink of a god's eye and failing to ko a meta. Compare that to the only one other close example but he's trans tier or higher and he knocked out a multiversal being.

Lmao... I got something even better. Hercules admitted on panel that with him having SPIDERMAN powers, it's much closer to the power he had before he was depowered. Never mind one shotting a meta (who in that comic wasn't represented as a meta but whatever), Hercules outright states Spiderman = him during his Devine days...

https://ibb.co/7Q2H0FN

Enjoy

Originally posted by carver9
Lmao... I got something even better. Hercules admitted on panel that with him having SPIDERMAN powers, it's much closer to the power he had before he was depowered. Never mind one shotting a meta (who in that comic wasn't represented as a meta but whatever), Hercules outright states Spiderman = him during his Devine days...

https://ibb.co/7Q2H0FN

Enjoy

A: so you are ignoring your mistake. Ok.

B: if you are taking his words at face value (I'm sure you are) then you accept Herc here can do EVERYTHING/ANYTHING (I.e. he is Omnipotent there), right? Otherwise you are being a hypocrite lmao.

He outright states he feel as powerful as he did before. I don't think it can get any clearer than that. I could post him losing to Wolverine, failing to take out Spiderman, having a prolong fight against meta Ares but I think this is sufficient.

Originally posted by carver9
He outright states he feel as powerful as he did before. I don't think it can get any clearer than that. I could post him losing to Wolverine, failing to take out Spiderman, having a prolong fight against meta Ares but I think this is sufficient.

He outright states he can do everything and anything.

So he's omnipotent there. Beyonder, Odin, TOBA....doesn't matter. Herc there is capable of everything and anything.

Can't get clearer than that. Good scan.

If that's how you want to take it. All I know is, he have Spiderman powers and he admits it feels just as powerful as his godly self. Him feeling that he is capable of anything just seals the deal on Spiderman being>Herc.

Originally posted by carver9
If that's how you want to take it. All I know is, he have Spiderman powers and he admits it feels just as powerful as his godly self. Him feeling that he is capable of anything just seals the deal on Spiderman being>Herc.

So rather than admit it could just be hyperbole, you want to double down and say that Spiderman is omnipotent, lmao.

I mean, if you agree that, then sure, omnipotent Spider-Man would also be > Glads and Hulk and WW combined lmao.

Originally posted by carver9
Lmao... I got something even better. Hercules admitted on panel that with him having SPIDERMAN powers, it's much closer to the power he had before he was depowered. Never mind one shotting a meta (who in that comic wasn't represented as a meta but whatever), Hercules outright states Spiderman = him during his Devine days...

https://ibb.co/7Q2H0FN

Enjoy

You're an idiot.

After Chaos War, Hercules used all his power to restore things, bring a bunch of people back to life, restore Olympus to it's former glory and as a result he was powerless. POWERLESS, however he could still hear the prayers of his followers.

Fast Forward past Fear Itself, he was bitten by a bed bug and was once again a empowered albeit with Spider-Mans powers. This is why he said it's the closet he felt to his godhood.

You took a scan completely out of context without knowing the complete backstory in a gotcha attempt that ultimately went nowhere.

Try harder.

And even then....it's obviously Herc getting drunk on power, and using hyperbole.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
You're an idiot.

After Chaos War, Hercules used all his power to restore things, bring a bunch of people back to life, restore Olympus to it's former glory and as a result he was powerless. POWERLESS, however he could still hear the prayers of his followers.

Fast Forward past Fear Itself, he was bitten by a bed bug and was once again a empowered albeit with Spider-Mans powers. This is why he said it's the closet he felt to his godhood.

You took a scan completely out of context without knowing the complete backstory in a gotcha attempt that ultimately went nowhere.

Try harder.

That's not what he said lmmfao. He said he never felt so close to his divinity? How you interpreted anything else different from that and then result in insulting when you couldn't even read a simple scan is laughable. At least Darksaint is trying to find a better way of debunking it.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So rather than admit it could just be hyperbole, you want to double down and say that Spiderman is omnipotent, lmao.

I mean, if you agree that, then sure, omnipotent Spider-Man would also be > Glads and Hulk and WW combined lmao.

I'm listening to what Herc said about him being close to his former self. People always say they feel like they can do anything. It doesn't take away from Herc saying he feels as powerful as his previous self.

Originally posted by carver9
I'm listening to what Herc said about him being close to his former self. People always say they feel like they can do anything. It doesn't take away from Herc saying he feels as powerful as his previous self.

So why not accept it? That he is capable of doing everything, capable of doing anything? Is Herc right when he says this?

If not, why is this wrong and the other sentences right?

I'm telling you that everyone says this when they receive a power-up, they feel like they can do anything (points to Juggernaut when he got his power back after the Onslaught saga). A person should be able to tell if they are more powerful or not and Hercules felt more powerful than his previous self. Statements like that get thrown around all of the time.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
And even then....it's obviously Herc getting drunk on power, and using hyperbole.

He even uses the term draught ... hence drunk on power. and this is after being depowered for a whole event

Originally posted by carver9
That's not what he said lmmfao. He said he never felt so close to his divinity? How you interpreted anything else different from that and then result in insulting when you couldn't even read a simple scan is laughable. At least Darksaint is trying to find a better way of debunking it.

Hercules was the most powerful Skyfather in existence at that point. He restored everything that Chaos King destroyed. Then he was depowered for quite awhile...then he got a boost to Spiderman level. So if course it's hyperbole. Noone is this stupid

He

Originally posted by Sin I AM
He even uses the term draught ... hence drunk on power. and this is after being depowered for a whole event



Hercules was the most powerful Skyfather in existence at that point. He restored everything that Chaos King destroyed. Then he was depowered for quite awhile...then he got a boost to Spiderman level. So if course it's hyperbole. Noone is this stupid

He

He's not talking about his skyfather powers, he is talking about his Hercules powers which is the reason he mentions after this him being able to return back to Zeus. Just go paint your nails Sin and leave this to Dark.

Originally posted by carver9
I'm telling you that everyone says this when they receive a power-up, they feel like they can do anything (points to Juggernaut when he got his power back after the Onslaught saga). A person should be able to tell if they are more powerful or not and Hercules felt more powerful than his previous self. Statements like that get thrown around all of the time.

Right right. So hyperbole. Thanks.

It's like a crippled Usain Bolt suddenly getting legs again....sure, he's not at the level he once was, but when you're starting from rock bottom, just having legs is a massive step up.

A human, mortal Herc suddenly getting *some* powers means he's now much closer to his powered self. Because he has, you know, powers. Just like Bolt having legs.

Doesn't mean he's suddenly back to his former self. If it DOES feel like it, then that's hyperbole - he feels like he can do anything and do everything.

Glad we all agree it's hyperbole. Good scan, though, I liked the art

He said since the end of Chaos War...at the end of Chaos War he was Skyfather+. Up until that point in your little scan he had already turned Zeus down TWICE in restoring his powers in the same storyline. The whole sequence after was an allegory or jab to Spiderman and his constant angst ridden sequences where he's always conflicted with what to do. He solves this as he does all his problems by drinking.

He said since the end of Chaos war he feared that he would never feel so close to his FORMER, F.O.R.M.E.R Devinity again. 🤦🏿

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Right right. So hyperbole. Thanks.

It's like a crippled Usain Bolt suddenly getting legs again....sure, he's not at the level he once was, but when you're starting from rock bottom, just having legs is a massive step up.

A human, mortal Herc suddenly getting *some* powers means he's now much closer to his powered self. Because he has, you know, powers. Just like Bolt having legs.

Doesn't mean he's suddenly back to his former self. If it DOES feel like it, then that's hyperbole - he feels like he can do anything and do everything.

Glad we all agree it's hyperbole. Good scan, though, I liked the art

Nope, not hyperbole. Him saying anything and everything have a completely different meaning with him saying he feels as powerful as Hercules. Him mentioning that he feels powerful enough to defeats Apollo and powerful enough to be amongst the God's.

Originally posted by carver9
He said since the end of Chaos war he feared that he would never feel so close to his FORMER, F.O.R.M.E.R Devinity again. 🤦🏿

Sigh....so in your mind youve determined that Hercules is saying his Spider-Mans powers are greater than his typical immortal powers, class 100 strength, durability, stamina etc? That's the stance you're rolling with?

That's what Herc said. Blame him, not me.

He said he can do everything and do anything. So he's right?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Sigh....so in your mind youve determined that Hercules is saying his Spider-Mans powers are greater than his typical immortal powers, class 100 strength, durability, stamina etc? That's the stance you're rolling with?

If he feels capable of doing anything and everything, yeah I'd say the same thing. Carver is right, at that point Herc was omnipotent thanks to Spideys powers.

Imagine if Herc had the best chance to stop WWH.....Venom/Carnage would have annihilated WWH. Morlun would've eaten WWH in pure h2h.

Originally posted by carver9
That's what Herc said. Blame him, not me.
That's not what he said, that's how you interpreted it. Huge difference...you take statements wayyyy to literally.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
If he feels capable of doing anything and everything, yeah I'd say the same thing. Carver is right, at that point Herc was omnipotent thanks to Spideys powers.

Imagine if Herc had the best chance to stop WWH.....Venom/Carnage would have annihilated WWH. Morlun would've eaten WWH in pure h2h.

There's only so much stupid I can stomach for one day

Originally posted by Sin I AM
That's not what he said, that's how you interpreted it. Huge difference...you take statements wayyyy to literally.


There's only so much stupid I can stomach for one day

You're the only one saying he isn't saying that. This is why I am saying you need to leave this to Dark. He's doing a much better job at this.

It's crazy you're calling someone stupid but you can't even comprehend a simple sentence. It's sad tbh.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He said he can do everything and do anything. So he's right?

Focus on the sentence that matters.

Who wrote the rules on what to focus on and what not to? He said those words, didn't he? He is capable of anything.... capable of everything. Don't blame me, blame the writer.

Herc was omnipotent there, thanks to Spideys powers. You can't be hypocritical and pick and choose, can you, Carv?

Originally posted by carver9
You're the only one saying he isn't saying that. This is why I am saying you need to leave this to Dark. He's doing a much better job at this.

It's crazy you're calling someone stupid but you can't even comprehend a simple sentence. It's sad tbh.

Not at all. You're just an idiot and dark likes playing mind games. Low hanging fruit if you will. Noone other than the other usual idiots (you, jbl, etc) thinks that Herc is saying Spiderman powers are greater than his powers. He's saying SM powers are greater than having no powers.

So you attempt to save face and keep the back and forth going instead of proving me wrong

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Not at all. You're just an idiot and dark likes playing mind games. Low hanging fruit if you will. Noone other than the other usual idiots (you, jbl, etc) thinks that Herc is saying Spiderman powers are greater than his powers. He's saying SM powers are greater than having no powers.

So you attempt to save face and keep the back and forth going instead of proving me wrong

This is just sad. I'm no longer partaking in this conversation with you. I feel sympathy more than anything in this discussion. You have flipped your stance 3 times. Bye Sin. Now let me see what Dark is saying.

Gladiator isn't as strong as Hulk and Hype combined and he's not that far above Thor if at all.

Destroyer fought Jane an entire comic and Glads and his kid got soloed in seconds.

"The power"

Problem with Hype is that there are great many different versions of him.

Even NOW... which Hype Ben meant, exactly? Mephisto's Hype, Heroes Reborn II variant (which was also Mephisto's creation, I believe) or Hickman's Hype? Or maybe some other?

Their fight in Quasar comic got it right, with them being equals, but Glads having the experience advantage.

Most Superman clones are meant to operate at similar levels.

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
Gladiator isn't as strong as Hulk and Hype combined and he's not that far above Thor if at all.

Destroyer fought Jane an entire comic and Glads and his kid got soloed in seconds.

"The power"

My issue is he doesn't have the feats to suggest it. Not with what was said. Comics characters make wild statements all the time only for them to be completely the opposite.

ABC doesn't work though. Destroyer wrecked glads and kid glads, Jane got choked out by glads, Jane fought destroyer better, glads got beat up by Shiar gods, Jane best same gods, destroyer lost to mango, Jane beat mango. Shit like thatOriginally posted by carver9
This is just sad. I'm no longer partaking in this conversation with you. I feel sympathy more than anything in this discussion. You have flipped your stance 3 times. Bye Sin. Now let me see what Dark is saying.
Concession accepted. Stay at your skill level.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Problem with Hype is that there are great many different versions of him.

Even NOW... which Hype Ben meant, exactly? Mephisto's Hype, Heroes Reborn II variant (which was also Mephisto's creation, I believe) or Hickman's Hype? Or maybe some other?

Their fight in Quasar comic got it right, with them being equals, but Glads having the experience advantage.

Most Superman clones are meant to operate at similar levels.

gladiator fought hyperion at a weird age where marvel heralds were super weak

gladiator was a supreme jobber back, and that version of hyperion wasn't even low herald level

it's not till recent days that gladiator racked up impressive feats, and hickman portrayed a new complete different hyperion

Not really.

Gladiator has some of the best feats from that era.

They were fighting at nanoseconds speed and were described as cosmic forces fighting each other on more than just a sheer physical plane.

Hickman is not capable of coming up with anything new.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Not really.

Gladiator has some of the best feats from that era.

They were fighting at nanoseconds speed and were described as cosmic forces fighting each other on more than just a sheer physical plane.

Hickman is not capable of coming up with anything new. Yes, Hackman/Hickman, like Geoff Johns is an entertaining hack!

I don't know about entertaining.

Plenty of bad writers out there who can still entertain us, somehow.

Hickman tries to tell complex stories, full of hype, but ultimately fails to deliver.

Original Secret Wars was meant to be nothing more than a toy promotion comic series... and Shooter surprised everyone and achieved much more than that.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
I don't know about entertaining.

Plenty of bad writers out there who can still entertain us, somehow.

Hickman tries to tell complex stories, full of hype, but ultimately fails to deliver.

Original Secret Wars was meant to be nothing more than a toy promotion comic series... and Shooter surprised everyone and achieved much more than that. Have you noticed Hackman uses very good artists to cover up his shortcomings?

Original secret wars has its moments but is mostly a bit shit imo.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Have you noticed Hackman uses very good artists to cover up his shortcomings?

Yes.

Now that you mention it, it's really his m.o.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Original secret wars has its moments but is mostly a bit shit imo.

To each his own.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Yes.

Now that you mention it, it's really his m.o.



To each his own. it was the first major crossover and by that metric it is impressive. Shooter is a bit of a hero of mine.

Lmao. People still crying and insulting others just because thing and reed said Gladiator is stronger than Hulk and Hyperion COMBINED. Sin runs her mouth about Masterson thor being (Thor light) when people with reading comprehension know full well that masterson Thor had the full strength and weather control powers of the original Thor. Sin is ignorant enough to not understand that in a comic book, characters will not be portrayed to operate at full capacity all the time. Sin if ignorant enough not to understand the difference between a comic book fight and a battle board fight. Sin knows nothing about the character Gladiator nor Hercules. Sin claim that gladiator has done nothing that would suggest he's stronger than Hercules. Sin Runs her mouth about Colossus standing up to Gladiator in one comic book instance, but have no idea that in another comic book all the X-Men combined couldn't even put a scratch on Gladiator. Sin doesn't know that gladiator contained and explosion that would have destroyed half the solar system. Collapsing stars, ripping apart black holes with his bare hands. Destroyed a planet with his fist. I would love to see Hercules take Gladiators place in all those feats.

Originally posted by JBL
Lmao. People still crying and insulting others just because thing and reed said Gladiator is stronger than Hulk and Hyperion COMBINED. Sin runs her mouth about Masterson thor being (Thor light) when people with reading comprehension know full well that masterson Thor had the full strength and weather control powers of the original Thor. Sin is ignorant enough to not understand that in a comic book, characters will not be portrayed to operate at full capacity all the time. Sin if ignorant enough not to understand the difference between a comic book fight and a battle board fight. Sin knows nothing about the character Gladiator nor Hercules. Sin claim that gladiator has done nothing that would suggest he's stronger than Hercules. Sin Runs her mouth about Colossus standing up to Gladiator in one comic book instance, but have no idea that in another comic book all the X-Men combined couldn't even put a scratch on Gladiator. Sin doesn't know that gladiator contained and explosion that would have destroyed half the solar system. Collapsing stars, ripping apart black holes with his bare hands. Destroyed a planet with his fist. I would love to see Hercules take Gladiators place in all those feats.
😍😍😍😍

Feel better... you're still wrong by the way but I want you to get it off your chest

Sin wants you to be happy.

Originally posted by JBL
Lmao. People still crying and insulting others just because thing and reed said Gladiator is stronger than Hulk and Hyperion COMBINED. Sin runs her mouth about Masterson thor being (Thor light) when people with reading comprehension know full well that masterson Thor had the full strength and weather control powers of the original Thor. Sin is ignorant enough to not understand that in a comic book, characters will not be portrayed to operate at full capacity all the time. Sin if ignorant enough not to understand the difference between a comic book fight and a battle board fight. Sin knows nothing about the character Gladiator nor Hercules. Sin claim that gladiator has done nothing that would suggest he's stronger than Hercules. Sin Runs her mouth about Colossus standing up to Gladiator in one comic book instance, but have no idea that in another comic book all the X-Men combined couldn't even put a scratch on Gladiator. Sin doesn't know that gladiator contained and explosion that would have destroyed half the solar system. Collapsing stars, ripping apart black holes with his bare hands. Destroyed a planet with his fist. I would love to see Hercules take Gladiators place in all those feats. Still arguing hearsay feats on Glads behalf, sigh........some people never learn.

That's highly likely WM given Kallark's confidence issues.

Originally posted by lawest9
Still arguing hearsay feats on Glads behalf, sigh........some people never learn. Yeah, Marvel writers just decided to pick Gladiator one afternoon and print lies about his abilities for no apparent reason other than to upset people on KMC.

Originally posted by JBL
Yeah, Marvel writers just decided to pick Gladiator one afternoon and print lies about his abilities for no apparent reason other than to upset people on KMC.

🤣🤣 that's funny

I do think Ben decided to pick up a crack pipe when he made that comment.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
I don't know about entertaining.

Plenty of bad writers out there who can still entertain us, somehow.

Hickman tries to tell complex stories, full of hype, but ultimately fails to deliver.

Original Secret Wars was meant to be nothing more than a toy promotion comic series... and Shooter surprised everyone and achieved much more than that.

gladiator during those days got owned by gambit and corsair, got hurt by deathbird, Colossus , Cannonball and freaking captain america have given him a good fight.

hickman hyperion was the only hyperion with super impressive feats (other than king hype)

those old hyperions suck dick

You're cute when you think HickHype was any different:

https://i.ibb.co/Z8tL2GD/main-qimg-3bbfca9fcb067a559c1ed709dbb5c599.jpg

Originally posted by JBL
Lol. The moment it's stated that Gladiator is stronger than Hulk and Hyperion COMBINED, certain people get to crying

You can't take that statement too serious.

Originally posted by carver9
If that's how you want to take it. All I know is, he have Spiderman powers and he admits it feels just as powerful as his godly self. Him feeling that he is capable of anything just seals the deal on Spiderman being>Herc.

Now, I KNOW you're not serious.

C'mon.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
You're cute when you think HickHype was any different:

https://i.ibb.co/Z8tL2GD/main-qimg-3bbfca9fcb067a559c1ed709dbb5c599.jpg

😅
Smh.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
You're cute when you think HickHype was any different:

https://i.ibb.co/Z8tL2GD/main-qimg-3bbfca9fcb067a559c1ed709dbb5c599.jpg

this is the same hyperion that rip beyonders into pieces, pushed two universes apart, revert hulk back to banner with one punch

He didn't revert Hulk but the rest, you're right.