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Classic Surfer wasn't as powerful as he is in modern times, can Rom make a fight of it.

Whirly's Rom can beat Galactus and Imperiex at the same time.

Probably Surfer, but, can the Neutralizer copy Arm'cheddon's ability to neutralize access to the power cosmic. Terminator the space knight Roms equal hurt Galactus with a Neutralizer.

Originally posted by lawest9
Classic Surfer wasn't as powerful as he is in modern times, can Rom make a fight of it. I would argue classic Surfer who "gave life" to Quasimodo was his most powerful incarnation. He cured Hulk, stole Hulks power to breach Galactuses barrier. Something modern Surfer has never done.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
I would argue classic Surfer who "gave life" to Quasimodo was his most powerful incarnation. He cured Hulk, stole Hulks power to breach Galactuses barrier. Something modern Surfer has never done. Problem with classic Surfer is that his power level was written too inconsistently, particularly in the original Lee/Buscema 18 issue run, he had high end feats like breaking the time barrier into the future under his own power and low showing like getting tossed around by a group of 2nd and 3rd rated inhumans.

Originally posted by lawest9
Problem with classic Surfer is that his power level was written too inconsistently, particularly in the original Lee/Buscema 18 issue run, he had high end feats like breaking the time barrier into the future under his own power and low showing like getting tossed around by a group of 2nd and 3rd rated inhumans. Not much really changed as time went on, look at when Panther beat him with leverage... insane considering how physically strong he is.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Not much really changed as time went on, look at when Panther beat him with leverage... insane considering how physically strong he is. Yes that was PIS writing if there ever really was, although Carver insists that Surfer intentionally allowed Panther to do that to learn the FFs intentions for being involved in the battle taking place between Ego and Galactus, I would feel better about it if he showed me where that was said or implied.

Originally posted by lawest9
Yes that was PIS writing if there ever really was, although Carver insists that Surfer intentionally allowed Panther to do that to learn the FFs intentions for being involved in the battle taking place between Ego and Galactus, I would feel better about it if he showed me where that was said or implied. it wasn't and isn't, that's yhe thing about comics, powers are all over the place.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
it wasn't and isn't, that's yhe thing about comics, powers are all over the place. Yes, have to wonder from where he drew that conclusion?

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Something modern Surfer has never done.

To be fair, it's not the problem on Surfer's part - Hulk incarnations differ from each other.

Sometimes, he becomes more susceptible to energy manipulation and/or telepathy.

Other times, he becomes crazy resistant to them.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
To be fair, it's not the problem on Surfer's part - Hulk incarnations differ from each other.

Sometimes, he becomes more susceptible to energy manipulation and/or telepathy.

Other times, he becomes crazy resistant to them. Absolutely Stilt and all this is why we waste our time arguing. The more appearances a character has the more inconsistencies, take Superman, half his fodder villians, who he struggles with for a page or two are not even Iron Man level like Bloodsport and all the many, many others that level.Originally posted by lawest9
Yes, have to wonder from where he drew that conclusion?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
To be fair, it's not the problem on Surfer's part - Hulk incarnations differ from each other.

Sometimes, he becomes more susceptible to energy manipulation and/or telepathy.

Other times, he becomes crazy resistant to them.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Absolutely Stilt and all this is why we waste our time arguing. The more appearances a character has the more inconsistencies, take Superman, half his fodder villians, who he struggles with for a page or two are not even Iron Man level like Bloodsport and all the many, many others that level.

Yes, but with Hulk's case, they're not inconsistencies - he was meant to be have unpredictable mutations and varying a lot since his beginnings in 1962.

The "Classic Surfer > Modern Surfer" argument might not be wrong per se, mind you --- but the Hulk is a bad example here.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Yes, but with Hulk's case, they're not inconsistencies - he was meant to be have unpredictable mutations and varying a lot since his beginnings in 1962.

The "Classic Surfer > Modern Surfer" argument might not be wrong per se, mind you --- but the Hulk is a bad example here. Yeah, Hulk varies no doubt. That said Surfer used Hulks rage to breach Galactuses barrier, Hulk has never really had a defined upper limit. He has always been credibly able to perform wacky shit.

Yeah, Hulk's rage-enhanced strength is his most known trait (other than being green), but there's more to him than that.

He's a unique product of the gamma radiation, Bruce's fragmented psyche with multiple personalities, some supernatural elements (Green Door) and possibly other factors.

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Would you like Rom to be owned by Marvel again? Or you're happy with the new non-Marvel books?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Yeah, Hulk's rage-enhanced strength is his most known trait (other than being green), but there's more to him than that.

He's a unique product of the gamma radiation, Bruce's fragmented psyche with multiple personalities, some supernatural elements (Green Door) and possibly other factors.

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Would you like Rom to be owned by Marvel again? Or you're happy with the new non-Marvel books? I know enough about Rom without knowing his total history, in the mainstream MU didn't he ended up dying and his planet destroyed? please fill me in if you know.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Yeah, Hulk's rage-enhanced strength is his most known trait (other than being green), but there's more to him than that.

He's a unique product of the gamma radiation, Bruce's fragmented psyche with multiple personalities, some supernatural elements (Green Door) and possibly other factors.

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Would you like Rom to be owned by Marvel again? Or you're happy with the new non-Marvel books? Yeah, I've read almost every Hulk Comic including immortal, which goes from awesome to a bit of a shit show. Re: Rom, I'd love him back in Marvel.Originally posted by lawest9
I know enough about Rom without knowing his total history, in the mainstream MU didn't he ended up dying and his planet destroyed? please fill me in if you know. Rom is lost in 616 so he may return, the builders destroyed Galador presumably, but none of that matters in Marvel. Anything and everything can return and often does. Remember the whole Universe has been destroyed and rebooted since then. Who is to say, Rom and Galador aren't out there.

Originally posted by lawest9
I know enough about Rom without knowing his total history, in the mainstream MU didn't he ended up dying and his planet destroyed? please fill me in if you know.

Not sure, asked Whirly that recently.

He did attend Rick's wedding with Marlo Chandler. In human form, as Marvel was already missing the rights (?), but it was him, he was called by his name and recalled their history.

https://i.ibb.co/W6kPNY8/rom14.jpg

His "death" happened later, off-panel, I believe. Annihilators series explored that, I think? They also introduced She-Rom.

We had a few Rom fans on the board, but they're no longer posting.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Anything and everything can return and often does.

Sure, they just need the rights back - without them, they're quite limited in using/mentioning the character.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Yeah, I've read almost every Hulk Comic including immortal, which goes from awesome to a bit of a shit show. Re: Rom, I'd love him back in Marvel. Rom is lost in 616 so he may return, the builders destroyed Galador presumably, but none of that matters in Marvel. Anything and everything can return and often does. Remember the whole Universe has been destroyed and rebooted since then. Who is to say, Rom and Galador aren't out there. Thank you, that info coincides with the history that I looked up on Rom, and yes Marvel is notorious for bringing everything back from death and destruction, to me it cheapens the quality of many of their stories.

Over in DC. 'the last Superman story' involving pre crisis Supes ended with him permanently removing his own powers with gold kryptonite, but it was explained that story arc was an imaginary tale and PC Superman may still be out there somewhere.

Originally posted by lawest9
Marvel is notorious for bringing everything back from death and destruction, to me it cheapens the quality of many of their stories.

DC does the exact same thing

They're not killing their cows if they keep giving them milk.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Not sure, asked Whirly that recently.

He did attend Rick's wedding with Marlo Chandler. In human form, as Marvel was already missing the rights (?), but it was him, he was called by his name and recalled their history.

https://i.ibb.co/W6kPNY8/rom14.jpg

His "death" happened later, off-panel, I believe. Annihilators series explored that, I think? They also introduced She-Rom.

We had a few Rom fans on the board, but they're no longer posting.



Sure, they just need the rights back - without them, they're quite limited in using/mentioning the character. yeah, all true. Rom really deserves more love. Little secret, I am a big Thor, Hulk, Iron Man, Surfer fan in Marvel. I've read almost everything they are in. Originally posted by lawest9
Thank you, that info coincides with the history that I looked up on Rom, and yes Marvel is notorious for bringing everything back from death and destruction, to me it cheapens the quality of many of their stories.

Over in DC. 'the last Superman story' involving pre crisis Supes ended with him permanently removing his own powers with gold kryptonite, but it was explained that story arc was an imaginary tale and PC Superman may still be out there somewhere. I am quite behind with Superman, he is still my fav'rit but, the days when I'd read every appearance are 15 years in the past and will never come again.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Not sure, asked Whirly that recently.

He did attend Rick's wedding with Marlo Chandler. In human form, as Marvel was already missing the rights (?), but it was him, he was called by his name and recalled their history.

https://i.ibb.co/W6kPNY8/rom14.jpg

His "death" happened later, off-panel, I believe. Annihilators series explored that, I think? They also introduced She-Rom.

We had a few Rom fans on the board, but they're no longer posting.



Sure, they just need the rights back - without them, they're quite limited in using/mentioning the character. I'll like to know how the Galadorians switch their people from human to cyborg and back again in detail.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
I've read almost everything they are in.

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Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
https://media0.giphy.com/media/xT5LMANLfFaRaY95Pq/200.gif yeah I really have, I read physically up to about 2006, since then I've used the online "free sites" more and more. I have a pretty solid run of Iron Man from about 110 up to 300, Thor from the Celestial saga upto Set. Iron Man from when Jack of hearts was his understudy on yhe moon up to Extremis and Hulk from around 220 to about 400, so all the lovely stuff with people like Woodgod is mine. I read online now mostly, location and cost tbh.

I admit I read nothing like I once did. Electronic comics are not the same yet and every trope is old. You can only read the same story updated so many times. This is particularly true for Hulk.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
yeah, all true. Rom really deserves more love. Little secret, I am a big Thor, Hulk, Iron Man, Surfer fan in Marvel. I've read almost everything they are in. I am quite behind with Superman, he is still my fav'rit but, the days when I'd read every appearance are 15 years in the past and will never come again. I have a secret of my own, as Superman is my fave, there is a popular theory on this forum that I hate the Hulk, very far from the truth, in fact the for decades have always been in my top 5-7 favorites along with Superman, Thor, Green Lantern, Silver Surfer, Capt. Marvel ( Billy ) Spider-Man ( at one time ) anyone else comes behind them.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
yeah I really have, I read physically up to about 2006, since then I've used the online "free sites" more and more. I have a pretty solid run of Iron Man from about 110 up to 300, Thor from the Celestial saga upto Set. Iron Man from when Jack of hearts was his understudy on yhe moon up to Extremis and Hulk from around 220 to about 400, so all the lovely stuff with people like Woodgod is mine. I read online now mostly, location and cost tbh.

Fair enough.

Why you never share any of that sacred knowledge despite being the most active member of KMC, then?

Nothing wrong with reading online. Modern scans (or official remastered digital versions) of books are - in some ways - even better and more detailed than physical copies these days - as ridiculous as it sounds.

That.....isn't the popular theory about you, lawest....

Originally posted by lawest9
I have a secret of my own, as Superman is my fave, there is a popular theory on this forum that I hate the Hulk, very far from the truth, in fact the for decades have always been in my top 5-7 favorites along with Superman, Thor, Green Lantern, Silver Surfer, Capt. Marvel ( Billy ) Spider-Man ( at one time ) anyone else comes behind them. Absolutely agree, most true fans of comics go through liking different phases of characters. Usually due to writers and artists. For me the Schwartz, Danny O'Neil Neil Adams Batman is Batman. All others are shit next to it. Gerry Conway and Sal Buscema do the best Spidey and Miller the best Daredevil.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Fair enough.

Why you never share any of that sacred knowledge despite being the most active member of KMC, then?

Nothing wrong with reading online. Modern scans (or official remastered digital versions) of books are - in some ways - even better and more detailed than physical copies these days - as ridiculous as it sounds. I used to, but I'm one of those people who reads comics for entertainment. I don't read more into it than that so using a story as facts isn't my thing. I don't buy into them enough for that Stilt, I don't remember or reread them much anyway. Too much out there and not enough time.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Absolutely agree, most true fans of comics go through liking different phases of characters. Usually due to writers and artists. For me the Schwartz, Danny O'Neil Neil Adams Batman is Batman. All others are shit next to it. Gerry Conway and Sal Buscema do the best Spidey and Miller the best Daredevil. I know what you mean, many feel that Chris Clairemont and Dave Cockrum are the X-Men and John Romita popular on Spider-Man.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
That.....isn't the popular theory about you, lawest.... Oh.......and what is?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Fair enough.

Why you never share any of that sacred knowledge despite being the most active member of KMC, then?

Nothing wrong with reading online. Modern scans (or official remastered digital versions) of books are - in some ways - even better and more detailed than physical copies these days - as ridiculous as it sounds. nope nothing wrong with it at all.

Originally posted by lawest9
Oh.......and what is?

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Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
https://i.ibb.co/GksdNK7/sp.jpg How long did it take you to grow your hair that long girl?

Thanks for sharing your shampoo with me, baby

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Absolutely agree, most true fans of comics go through liking different phases of characters. Usually due to writers and artists. For me the Schwartz, Danny O'Neil Neil Adams Batman is Batman. All others are shit next to it. Gerry Conway and Sal Buscema do the best Spidey and Miller the best Daredevil. Denny, spell checked does it again. The recent Samsung update is a *****.

Turn off spellcheck.

Predictive text technology is for the weak, multitap is the way to go.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Turn off spellcheck.

Predictive text technology is for the weak, multitap is the way to go.

Thanos

No but I understand that Rom hurt big G with his neutralizer, I wonder how much effect it would have on Surfer?!

If he could actually hit him that is. If the Surfer was on the move, and not sitting there trying to be hit, what are Roms chances?

Originally posted by Stoic
If he could actually hit him that is. If the Surfer was on the move, and not sitting there trying to be hit, what are Roms chances? Surfer has been hit by slower people, often.