Do you think Ukraine can win the war?

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Jmanghan
I'm not that knowledgeable on these things, but I'm curious if they can, seems like it'd be poetic justice if they could.

What are your thoughts?

ilikecomics

ilikecomics

ilikecomics

jaden_2.0
Not militarily as in one army against another. But then they don't have to. Russia's forces were designed primarily as a defensive force. They seem phenomenally effective when moving huge amounts of troops and tanks etc within their own borders because they have complete control over their transport infrastructure but they are almost entirely dependent on their rail network to do it. 1st thing the Ukrainians did was sever the rail roads to and Russia and Belarus. Now they're targeting fuel trucks so effectively that Russia are trying to disguise them as other vehicles but the Ukrainians are utilising social media to identify and track those vehicles.

But then this tactic might prove self defeating because it's already pushing the Russian forces into more extreme measures like just bombarding cities like what happened in Syria when Assad couldn't take opposition controlled cities.

roughrider
Despite their numerical superiority, Russia will lose in the long term because they would have to hold the country hostage indefinitely. And the vast majority of Ukrainians hate Russia with a passion now and will never accept Putin running their affairs from afar. Putin is trying to turn back the clock decades with this strategy, but you can't bring back the Iron Curtain days.

Robtard
Russia can take over all of Ukraine in time as the Ukrainians are fighting a losing war against the world's number two (maybe three) military power, but they won't be able to hold Ukraine, it'll bankrupt them even more.


The question is how far will Putin push before he stops and declares victory while his fanboys continue to shamelessly lick his balls.

ilikecomics
Originally posted by roughrider
Despite their numerical superiority, Russia will lose in the long term because they would have to hold the country hostage indefinitely. And the vast majority of Ukrainians hate Russia with a passion now and will never accept Putin running their affairs from afar. Putin is trying to turn back the clock decades with this strategy, but you can't bring back the Iron Curtain days.

Some Ukrainian's may not like put, but the huge russian ethnic minority that has been constantly attacked for the past decade by Ukrainians probably think Putin is pretty cool.

I also think that anti Russian consensus is severely sensationalized

ilikecomics
Originally posted by Robtard
Russia can take over all of Ukraine in time as the Ukrainians are fighting a losing war against the world's number two (maybe three) military power, but they won't be able to hold Ukraine, it'll bankrupt them even more.


The question is how far will Putin push before he stops and declares victory while his fanboys continue to shamelessly lick his balls.

He will go until Ukraine is demilitarized, the u.s. back neo-nazis are gone, and nato holds up it's end of an agreement and gets the hell out of their.

The funny thing is that the u.s. and nato keep shooting themselves in the foot.
Russia and china have already developed an alternative to swift, are getting into gold, and are legalizing Bitcoin. The petrodollar is dead, u.s. hegemony is dead.

Blakemore
Originally posted by ilikecomics
Some Ukrainian's may not like put, but the huge russian ethnic minority that has been constantly attacked for the past decade by Ukrainians probably think Putin is pretty cool.

I also think that anti Russian consensus is severely sensationalized Oh yeah. I forgot Ukraine were the aggressors. rolleyes

ilikecomics
Originally posted by Blakemore
Oh yeah. I forgot Ukraine were the aggressors. rolleyes

They've been attacking the ethnic Russians in their country for the past ten years and let nato station weapons and infantry right next to Russia's border.

How would you feel if Russia stationed a bunch of weapons and infantry in Mexico and Canada? Would you feel safe ? What if Americans living in regions of these countries were being constantly attacked ?

Really think about it before you respond.

Robtard
Originally posted by ilikecomics
He will go until Ukraine is demilitarized, the u.s. back neo-nazis are gone, and nato holds up it's end of an agreement and gets the hell out of their.

The funny thing is that the u.s. and nato keep shooting themselves in the foot.
Russia and china have already developed an alternative to swift, are getting into gold, and are legalizing Bitcoin. The petrodollar is dead, u.s. hegemony is dead.

dur

Robtard
Originally posted by ilikecomics
They've been attacking the ethnic Russians in their country for the past ten years and let nato station weapons and infantry right next to Russia's border.

How would you feel if Russia stationed a bunch of weapons and infantry in Mexico and Canada? Would you feel safe ? What if Americans living in regions of these countries were being constantly attacked ?

Really think about it before you respond.

^ The Putin fanboy is somehow forgetting to add that NATO sent troops to Ukraine in 2014 after Putin invaded Ukraine and annexed Crimea. Of which they left at some point iirc. I'm sure it was an honest mistake on his part.

Blakemore
Also, I live in Britain. laughing out loud

Total Warrior
Yes. Russia's blitzkrieg failed miserably, and every day of war is starting to weight on russia's economy. They will likely find an agreement that makes both sides happy

BackFire
By the time they take Ukraine, Russia's economy will be completely worthless.

ilikecomics
Originally posted by Robtard
^ The Putin fanboy is somehow forgetting to add that NATO sent troops to Ukraine in 2014 after Putin invaded Ukraine and annexed Crimea. Of which they left at some point iirc. I'm sure it was an honest mistake on his part.

That's not what happened in crimea, that's what CNN said happened in Crimea.

ilikecomics
Originally posted by BackFire
By the time they take Ukraine, Russia's economy will be completely worthless.

Nope, they're going to gold and accepting BTC now.

The energy chokehold all this is causing in Europe is making Russia richer from it's oil than if the u.s. and nato didn't provoke.

Russia is going to come out better than the u.s. in the long term.

BackFire
Oh ok, so you're one of those creepy Putin sycophants. Got it.

No Russia is screwed. No western business is going to invest in Russia again anytime soon after this. Russia's stock market is still closed.

They are accepting bitcoin because their currency is effectively worthless now. A lot of places accept bitcoin, it doesn't mean anything.

ilikecomics

Blakemore
Do you want Russia to have control over that region of Europe?

Robtard
Originally posted by BackFire
Oh ok, so you're one of those creepy Putin sycophants. Got it.

No Russia is screwed. No western business is going to invest in Russia again anytime soon after this. Russia's stock market is still closed.

They are accepting bitcoin because their currency is effectively worthless now. A lot of places accept bitcoin, it doesn't mean anything.

But Putin's saying it's all lies and that Russia's economy is doing better than ever right now. So it must be true.

ilikecomics
Originally posted by Blakemore
Do you want Russia to have control over that region of Europe?

First let me clarify. When I say Russia, I mean Russia's government.
I think if Russians want a Russian government that they should have that.
The people in the Donbass aren't allowed to speak their native tongue, Russian, because the Ukrainian government made it illegal.

As I already posted the people of Crimea wanted to be part of Russia and the referendum was ignored.

Overall, I don't believe in any form of government. I think consensual governance is possible without being immoral, but that would be based on a competence hierarchy and I know most egalitarianists are allergic to that style of thinking.

What do you think about it ?

I get the feeling you follow the narrative that says big bad Putin is attacking poor lil Ukraine, but against all odds the underdog is holding it's ground, but just barely.
And without everyone's help the lil guy might not make it

But Id rather hear your opinion than paint you with my idea of what your opinion is.

ilikecomics

Blakemore
You want Republicans to make money from Russia's invasion.

That's it.

ilikecomics
Originally posted by Blakemore
You want Republicans to make money from Russia's invasion.

That's it.

I think the neocons are literally socialist (trotskyite to be specific) war hawks.
I'm a right anarchist, I don't believe government's should exist and any foreign policy a government does adopt that isn't explicitly non interventionist is immoral and illegitimate to me. Don't know why I have to keep saying that over and over.

Robtard

ilikecomics
Originally posted by Robtard
^ tl;dr


Reality: If a county has much of its banking systems closed to the world, global trading halted and mega corporations are bailing out quicker than rats on a sinking ship, that doesn't make that country's economy swing upwards.

Yes it does, getting out from u.s. petrodollar hegemony will enormously boost Russia's economy.

The reason why we live in such prosperous conditions is because we depress the economies of other countries.

China nad Russia is sick of that.

The u.s. dollar will crash, gold and BTC don't crash.

Old Man Whirly!
Originally posted by ilikecomics
Yes it does, getting out from u.s. petrodollar hegemony will enormously boost Russia's economy.

The reason why we live in such prosperous conditions is because we depress the economies of other countries.

China nad Russia is sick of that.

The u.s. dollar will crash, gold and BTC don't crash. durmask

ilikecomics
Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
durmask

smokin'

Robtard

ilikecomics
Crypto is artificially suppressed by the financial class the same way gold is.
The price of crypto is also linked to the dollar, not the amount of crypto that exists.

The great depression happened because of the effects of central banking.

The end of the bretton woods agreement was the nail in the coffin for gold, but the decoupling of the dollar from gold started with the federal reserve act in 1913 and was further exacerbated by fdr stealing all of the American people's gold in 1933.

I get my information from the new book I finish every 3 days or so.
But good try at a cheap insult, they're totally working and don't reveal you as a charlatan at all.

Robtard
The point you dodged again: A gold standard backed economy can crash. Crypto currency can crash. You made two incorrect claims.

ilikecomics
Originally posted by Robtard
The point you dodged again: A gold standard backed economy can crash. Crypto currency can crash. You made two incorrect claims.

As soon as a central bank exists, it's no longer a gold standard. The premise of your gold standard critique is incorrect.

Bitcoin didn't crash, it goes up and down as you'd expect.

In a relatively free market contractions and expansions are natural.

Booms and busts are the result of state interference i.e. the great depression, the dotcom bomb, the 2008 housing crash, whatever crash comes next, etc.

You're really out of your depth here.

Robtard
Originally posted by ilikecomics
As soon as a central bank exists, it's no longer a gold standard. The premise of your gold standard critique is incorrect.

Bitcoin didn't crash, it goes up and down as you'd expect.

In a relatively free market contractions and expansions are natural.

Booms and busts are the result of state interference i.e. the great depression, the dotcom bomb, the 2008 housing crash, whatever crash comes next, etc.

You're really out of your depth here.


Um, Russia has had a central bank for a long time, it's literally called "The Central Bank of the Russian Federation", by your own reasoning Russia's new gold backed standard would not really be a gold standard and would be subject to crashes...

Um, in mid 2021 Bitcoin fell 45% at one point, that's a crash, not normal fluctuations...

Says the guy consistently making false claims...

ilikecomics
Originally posted by Robtard
Um, Russia has had a central bank for a long time, it's literally called "The Central Bank of the Russian Federation", by your own reasoning Russia's new gold backed standard would not really be a gold standard and would be subject to crashes...

Um, in mid 2021 Bitcoin fell 45% at one point, that's a crash, not normal fluctuations...

Says the guy consistently making false claims...

I didn't say Russia is on a gold standard right now, I said they will be.

The harder a currency, the more it's resilient to hyper inflation. The hardness of a currency is if it's backed with something valuable.
Money printed by a central bank has zero actual value, and is held up by finance.
That doesn't mean BTC crashed, it's called a fluctuation, which happens when violence distorts the market it exists in i.e. incentivizing consumption with easy low interest mortgages and loans.
BTC started at 1/10th of a penny, stabilizing around 38k (for the time being) is still an enormous return and one of the best investments you can make.

Name a false claim I've made.

Old Man Whirly!
Originally posted by ilikecomics
I didn't say Russia is on a gold standard right now, I said they will be.

The harder a currency, the more it's resilient to hyper inflation. The hardness of a currency is if it's backed with something valuable.
Money printed by a central bank has zero actual value, and is held up by finance.
That doesn't mean BTC crashed, it's called a fluctuation, which happens when violence distorts the market it exists in i.e. incentivizing consumption with easy low interest mortgages and loans.
BTC started at 1/10th of a penny, stabilizing around 38k (for the time being) is still an enormous return and one of the best investments you can make.

Name a false claim I've made. durpalm

Robtard
Originally posted by ilikecomics
I didn't say Russia is on a gold standard right now, I said they will be.

The harder a currency, the more it's resilient to hyper inflation. The hardness of a currency is if it's backed with something valuable.
Money printed by a central bank has zero actual value, and is held up by finance.
That doesn't mean BTC crashed, it's called a fluctuation, which happens when violence distorts the market it exists in i.e. incentivizing consumption with easy low interest mortgages and loans.
BTC started at 1/10th of a penny, stabilizing around 38k (for the time being) is still an enormous return and one of the best investments you can make.

Name a false claim I've made. Wrong. Russia is not going to dissolve The Central Bank of the Russian Federation. Which would need to happen under your claims for a gold standard to exist. Admit it, you had no idea Russia had a central bank.

Wrong. A 45% drop in Bitcoin value is literally a crash, just because it recovered in time doesn't mean a crash didn't happen in the first place.

Reality: What Russia is doing right now is buying gold to then use that gold to buy high value and stable currencies like the US dollar and UK Pound, because their Ruble is nigh worthless and they need to pad themselves as best they can for the coming long downward swing. That's not really "going to a gold standard" as you think. It's Russia doing damage control as best it can.



You really have no idea what you're talking about and you consistently make foolish to wrong claims and then spout "but read books in 3 days!" as some kind of qualifier. Maybe think about what you posted for a couple minutes before hitting submit.

ilikecomics
Originally posted by Robtard
Wrong. Russia is not going to dissolve The Central Bank of the Russian Federation. Which would need to happen under your claims for a gold standard to exist. Admit it, you had no idea Russia had a central bank.

Wrong. A 45% drop in Bitcoin value is literally a crash, just because it recovered in time doesn't mean a crash didn't happen in the first place.

Reality: What Russia is doing right now is buying gold to then use that gold to buy high value and stable currencies like the US dollar and UK Pound, because their Ruble is nigh worthless and they need to pad themselves as best they can for the coming long downward swing. That's not really "going to a gold standard" as you think.



You really have no idea what you're talking about and you consistently make foolish to wrong claims and then spout "but read books in 3 days!" as some kind of qualifier. Maybe think about what you posted for a couple minutes before hitting submit.

the harder a currency the better, Russia is going to make a currency that was harder than the ruble and the dollar.

That crash was artificially induced. It's like saying a man who was assaulted mad ends up in the hospital must be there because his health is bad.
Your premise is once again off.

Russia and china are getting out of the dollar because it's being inflated to hell. They've been consistently dumping the dollar and ramping up cooperation with each other.

Robtard
More dodging and distractions.

Let's try this one at a time: By your erudite laden views, when will Russia dissolve its central bank?

(This needs to happen before their gold backed standard can take place as you claimed)

ilikecomics
Originally posted by Robtard
More dodging and distractions.

Let's try one at a time: By your erudite laden views, when will Russia dissolve its central bank?

I don't think they will. I think they're consolidating gold, dumping their dollar reserves, bartering with their natural resources, paying foreign debts off with the rubble, and increasing economic and financial cooperation with China.

China and Russia are the last two nations that can pose a threat to globalization, hence why the corporate media (state owned) constantly spouts off with sinophobic and russophobic b.s.

Anything Russia or China has done the u.s. had done it and worse.

So if you don't like china's uigyar camps then the u.s. has some explaining to do for it's Japanese internment camps.

If you don't like Russia invading other countries then you shouldn't like the 70 coups the c.i.a. has committed or the fact the u.s. does gladio style operations and has infantry in over 80 countries.

Old Man Whirly!
Originally posted by ilikecomics
I don't think they will. I think they're consolidating gold, dumping their dollar reserves, bartering with their natural resources, paying foreign debts off with the rubble, and increasing economic and financial cooperation with China.

China and Russia are the last two nations that can pose a threat to globalization, hence why the corporate media (state owned) constantly spouts off with sinophobic and russophobic b.s.

Anything Russia or China has done the u.s. had done it and worse.

So if you don't like china's uigyar camps then the u.s. has some explaining to do for it's Japanese internment camps.

If you don't like Russia invading other countries then you shouldn't like the 70 coups the c.i.a. has committed or the fact the u.s. does gladio style operations and has infantry in over 80 countries. durpalm

ilikecomics
Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
durpalm

Go get boosted.

roughrider
Originally posted by ilikecomics
They've been attacking the ethnic Russians in their country for the past ten years and let nato station weapons and infantry right next to Russia's border.

How would you feel if Russia stationed a bunch of weapons and infantry in Mexico and Canada? Would you feel safe ? What if Americans living in regions of these countries were being constantly attacked ?

Really think about it before you respond.

Putin claims he's preventively attacking because of the neo Nazis, but they are a tiny fringe minority and their far right movement got no seats in the last election. At the recent peace conferences, all the Russians are demanding of Ukraine is promises they won't join NATO or the EU. That's ALL this is about.

Old Man Whirly!
Originally posted by roughrider
Putin claims he's preventively attacking because of the neo Nazis, but they are a tiny fringe minority and their far right movement got no seats in the last election. At the recent peace conferences, all the Russians are demanding of Ukraine is promises they won't join NATO or the EU. That's ALL this is about. thumb up Bingo!

Blakemore
I bet they'd change their mind and let Ukraine join NATO if they can redraw the border.

StyleTime
Originally posted by ilikecomics

So if you don't like china's uigyar camps then the u.s. has some explaining to do for it's Japanese internment camps.

The best part is when he compared the Japanese internment camps America did 80 years ago to the Uyghur internment camps China is doing literally right now.

Yeah, totally the same thing.

Old Man Whirly!
Originally posted by StyleTime
The best part is when he compared the Japanese internment camps America did 80 years ago to the Uyghur internment camps China is doing literally right now.

Yeah, totally the same thing. Ludicrous trolling on his part.

Robtard
Originally posted by roughrider
Putin claims he's preventively attacking because of the neo Nazis, but they are a tiny fringe minority and their far right movement got no seats in the last election. At the recent peace conferences, all the Russians are demanding of Ukraine is promises they won't join NATO or the EU. That's ALL this is about.

It's just a silly distraction and excuses, Putin couldn't care less about them or the Russians living in Ukraine he's claiming to be protecting.

Russia has it's own problems with Neo-Nazi groups and movements.

eg The Russian National Unity (RNU) is one of the older ones. Their leader and super-duper-white-supremacist Alexander Barkashov supports the Russian separatist in Ukraine and members of the RNU have fought along side them.

Adam_PoE
Originally posted by roughrider
Putin claims he's preventively attacking because of the neo Nazis, but they are a tiny fringe minority and their far right movement got no seats in the last election. At the recent peace conferences, all the Russians are demanding of Ukraine is promises they won't join NATO or the EU. That's ALL this is about.

There are Neo Nazis in the U.S. They are the largest domestic terrorist threat to this country. And they are running for office as Republicans, with almost no oppostion from rank-and-file Republican voters or the Republican party. By that reasoning, Russia would be justified in invading the U.S. That is how ****ing stupid this Trump humpers are.

Robtard
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
There are Neo Nazis in the U.S. They are the largest domestic terrorist threat to this country. And they are running for office as Republicans, with almost no oppostion from rank-and-file Republican voters or the Republican party. By that reasoning, Russia would be justified in invading the U.S. That is how ****ing stupid this Trump humpers are.

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A record number of white nationalists are running for office

Robtard

Blakemore
Because Kirk keeps smirking about banging the ladies. The bastard.

Side-note: Trump sports the merkin too.

Jmanghan
Bump

Jmanghan
I am by no means well-versed in this subject but articles I'm seeing are reporting that Ukraine are actually smart mother****ers and seem to be pushing back Russia fairly well at this point.

cdtm
Originally posted by Jmanghan
I'm not that knowledgeable on these things, but I'm curious if they can, seems like it'd be poetic justice if they could.

What are your thoughts?

Put up a fight, yes.


Actually beat Russia, unlikely. If nothing else, they simply don't have enough soldiers to win a war of attrition.

cdtm
Originally posted by Jmanghan
I am by no means well-versed in this subject but articles I'm seeing are reporting that Ukraine are actually smart mother****ers and seem to be pushing back Russia fairly well at this point.

Credit where it's due, they're also getting a lot of intelligence from the various communities, along with gear.


It's kind of stupid to not send boots at this point when the entire Ukraine defense relies on your funding and armaments. Why is men the line?

jaden_2.0
Originally posted by cdtm
Credit where it's due, they're also getting a lot of intelligence from the various communities, along with gear.


It's kind of stupid to not send boots at this point when the entire Ukraine defense relies on your funding and armaments. Why is men the line?

They are there. You just don't get told about it.

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