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Return of the firing squad: a quicker but less sanitized method of execution is gaining ground in the US

Meanwhile, the rest of civilized society is phasing the death penalty out.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Meanwhile, the rest of civilized society is phasing the death penalty out. Bingo!

If you're going to execute someone, the firing squad is as good a method as any; in fact, it's probably the best. I'm against the death penalty in 99.99% of cases, but if I had to pick a method of execution for those condemned, it would be the firing squad every time.

The death penalty achieves nothing but enticing fear into potential criminals.

Most of them have mental health problems anyway, so death sometimes isn't an issue for them.

Originally posted by Blakemore
The death penalty achieves nothing but enticing fear into potential criminals.

Most of them have mental health problems anyway, so death sometimes isn't an issue for them. After all without enemies to prevail against what is there to accomplish?

We are all after the hand of the top preppy

Presidential election,

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
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Return of the firing squad: a quicker but less sanitized method of execution is gaining ground in the US


Honestly from the stories about botched chemical and electric executions, this is probably way more humane and less likely to go wrong for the felon.


A recent example had a guy essentially being tortured in his final moments from an injection execution gone wrong. Even a botched firing doesn't let someone suffer like that because a shot person simply won't feel anything before being put down.

Originally posted by cdtm
Honestly from the stories about botched chemical and electric executions, this is probably way more humane and less likely to go wrong for the felon.


A recent example had a guy essentially being tortured in his final moments from an injection execution gone wrong. Even a botched firing doesn't let someone suffer like that because a shot person simply won't feel anything before being put down. Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Meanwhile, the rest of civilized society is phasing the death penalty out.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!


And yet you'll lock up anyone who looks for Robert Thompson and Jon Venables location or identity.


How many toddlers have been beaten or abused to death in the UK?

Why is a mass murderer being put down instead of kept locked away forever at tax payer expense "humane"? What's so humane about being locked up for life?

Counter point...how many innocent people have been killed by the state?

Unless it's Professor X reading the potential convicts mind...then the death penalty should be abolished.

If that's not going to happen...then if it turns out the conviction was tainted by the law official, lawyers, juries or judge....then those responsible for murdering an innocent person should be tried for murder themselves...but that's never going to happen.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Meanwhile, the rest of civilized society is phasing the death penalty out.
Originally posted by Smasandian
Counter point...how many innocent people have been killed by the state?

Unless it's Professor X reading the potential convicts mind...then the death penalty should be abolished.

If that's not going to happen...then if it turns out the conviction was tainted by the law official, lawyers, juries or judge....then those responsible for murdering an innocent person should be tried for murder themselves...but that's never going to happen.
https://c.tenor.com/6O3NuQ6FVMUAAAAC/this-look-here.gif X2

Oh...the argument will be:

"But what happens if the serial killer has the dead kids body in their hands with the bloody candlestick in the observatory then you would be OK with the death penalty"

And the argument about the citizens paying taxes to host serial killers...welll what's the population difference between murderers and drug related offenses? Want to save taxes...stop locking up most drug offenses.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XOqFPaI7fY

Interesting...

Originally posted by Smasandian
Oh...the argument will be:

"But what happens if the serial killer has the dead kids body in their hands with the bloody candlestick in the observatory then you would be OK with the death penalty"

And the argument about the citizens paying taxes to host serial killers...welll what's the population difference between murderers and drug related offenses? Want to save taxes...stop locking up most drug offenses.

While private prisons make up a small portion of US prisons, they flourish due to drug related incarcerations. So that won't be happening as long a profit prisons exist.

Originally posted by Blakemore
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XOqFPaI7fY

Interesting...


Link doesn't work, this might:

3XOqFPaI7fY

****, I'm off the ball today.

Originally posted by Smasandian
Counter point...how many innocent people have been killed by the state?

Unless it's Professor X reading the potential convicts mind...then the death penalty should be abolished.

If that's not going to happen...then if it turns out the conviction was tainted by the law official, lawyers, juries or judge....then those responsible for murdering an innocent person should be tried for murder themselves...but that's never going to happen. Bingo!

Originally posted by Smasandian
Counter point...how many innocent people have been killed by the state?

Unless it's Professor X reading the potential convicts mind...then the death penalty should be abolished.

If that's not going to happen...then if it turns out the conviction was tainted by the law official, lawyers, juries or judge....then those responsible for murdering an innocent person should be tried for murder themselves...but that's never going to happen.

Then you'd end up with innocent people spending out their lives in prison. Personally I'd rather be killed.

Regardless yours is a non argument, you may as well say all laws should be abolished because of the odd injustice.

Originally posted by cdtm
Then you'd end up with innocent people spending out their lives in prison. Personally I'd rather be killed.

Regardless yours is a non argument, you may as well say all laws should be abolished because of the odd injustice.

No one ****ing asked for your personal preference. If an innocent person is alive, there is still time and opportunity to correct the injustice. And it is not a non-argument, because the entire criticism of the death penalty is the finality of the punishment, you ****ing retard.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
No one ****ing asked for your personal preference. If an innocent person is alive, there is still time and opportunity to correct the injustice. And it is not a non-argument, because the entire criticism of the death penalty is the finality of the punishment, you ****ing retard.

That's why we have a legal system in place.


But you're also arguing for violent murderers like the scumbags who killed the Petit family, including children. Like it or not, there are also unquestioned cases.


You can't seperate your hypothetical innocent person who was framed or victimized from the Adolf Hitlers, they are all part of this conversation.

Originally posted by cdtm
Then you'd end up with innocent people spending out their lives in prison. Personally I'd rather be killed.

Move to Texas.

Originally posted by cdtm
That's why we have a legal system in place.


But you're also arguing for violent murderers like the scumbags who killed the Petit family, including children. Like it or not, there are also unquestioned cases.


You can't seperate your hypothetical innocent person who was framed or victimized from the Adolf Hitlers, they are all part of this conversation.

The point you're missing still: The state shouldn't being killing anyone. regardless of their crimes. if they're that terrible, lock them up for life. The fact that innocent people have been killed by the state, just makes the whole capital punishment thing even worse.

Though I think assisted suicide should possibly be an option for lifers, if they're of sound mind. The argument could be made.

Assisted suicide happens on death row.

Originally posted by Blakemore
Assisted suicide happens on death row.


Yeah, I guess you're right in the sense of death row inmates who have waived their right to appeal, but that can also take years. Forgot about those cases.

I'm thinking more of assisted suicide like some states have for terminally ill people, it happens rather quickly and painlessly. Should be an option for lifers in an ideal penal system where there is no death penalty.

Originally posted by cdtm
That's why we have a legal system in place.

A legal system that frequently errs and convicts innocent people.



Originally posted by cdtm
But you're also arguing for violent murderers like the scumbags who killed the Petit family, including children. Like it or not, there are also unquestioned cases.

If killing is such a heinous crime, then the state has no business executing anybody.



Originally posted by cdtm
You can't seperate your hypothetical innocent person who was framed or victimized from the Adolf Hitlers, they are all part of this conversation.

I am not trying to separate them, and neither are you. The difference is that I do not think the state should execute anybody, whereas you are perfectly content with innocent people being executed, because it gets your tiny dick hard thinking about revenge.

Originally posted by Robtard
The point you're missing still: The state shouldn't being killing anyone. regardless of their crimes. if they're that terrible, lock them up for life. The fact that innocent people have been killed by the state, just makes the whole capital punishment thing even worse.

Though I think assisted suicide should possibly be an option for lifers, if they're of sound mind. The argument could be made.


No I understand the point. I just don't agree with it.

Also, why is assisted suicide illegal?

Originally posted by truejedi
Also, why is assisted suicide illegal?


Pretty much for the same logic Rob and Adam use to argue against capital punishment. False positives, or opening the door to medical abuse (A senior will never be independent and is hanging on a little too long and cutting into profits, maybe pressure him into suicide to free up bed space)


That an the political will just isn't there, any politician who supports it would commit political "suicide".

I happen to support the right to end ones life though.

Originally posted by cdtm
Pretty much for the same logic Rob and Adam use to argue against capital punishment. False positives, or opening the door to medical abuse (A senior will never be independent and is hanging on a little too long and cutting into profits, maybe pressure him into suicide to free up bed space)


That an the political will just isn't there, any politician who supports it would commit political "suicide".

I happen to support the right to end ones life though. You're a total clueless asshat.

Medical professionals kill terminally ill people all the time in my country and yours and euthanasia is legal in the Netherlands (which you consider socialist).

Just stfu.

Originally posted by Blakemore
You're a total clueless asshat.

Medical professionals kill terminally ill people all the time in my country and yours and euthanasia is legal in the Netherlands (which you consider socialist).

Just stfu.


Not in the US they don't, we aren't talking about the Netherlands.

There is no laws for assisted suicide here. In rare exceptions the medical people are allowed to pump a terminally ill person with so much painkiller it would kill them, but that's rationalized as a byproduct of taking away their pain, and not the intent to end their life.

Originally posted by cdtm
No I understand the point. I just don't agree with it.

If you do understand, then Adam's point below is correct:

Originally posted by Adam_PoE

I am not trying to separate them, and neither are you. The difference is that I do not think the state should execute anybody, whereas you are perfectly content with innocent people being executed, because it gets your tiny dick hard thinking about revenge.

Originally posted by cdtm
Not in the US they don't, we aren't talking about the Netherlands.

There is no laws for assisted suicide here. In rare exceptions the medical people are allowed to pump a terminally ill person with so much painkiller it would kill them, but that's rationalized as a byproduct of taking away their pain, and not the intent to end their life. Like I said, they kill terminally ill people all the time. What the hell do you think "overdose" means?

Originally posted by Robtard
If you do understand, then Adam's point below is correct:

It really isn't.

Originally posted by cdtm
It really isn't. trolls got to troll.

Originally posted by cdtm
Not in the US they don't, we aren't talking about the Netherlands.

There is no laws for assisted suicide here. In rare exceptions the medical people are allowed to pump a terminally ill person with so much painkiller it would kill them, but that's rationalized as a byproduct of taking away their pain, and not the intent to end their life.

Wrong again.

"Physician-assisted death or "medical aid in dying" is legal in eleven jurisdictions: California, Colorado, District of Columbia, Hawaii, Montana, Maine, New Jersey, New Mexico, Oregon, Vermont, and Washington." -snip

States with Legal Physician-Assisted Suicide



Blake is correct, you're a "clueless asshat."

Well this topic went about the way I thought it would.

"The death penalty should go away as it's a level of power that should not be granted to the government to enact on its own citizens. Especially when the system in place for determining who it kills is far from infallible."

"But bad people did bad thing deserve to die!!! JUSTICE!!!"

Seriously though this is just stupid. People tend to forget there is a reason the firing squad fell out of favor time as a method of execution.

It's rough on the mental state of the executioners. If they miss they have to reload and shoot again. If they hit the wrong part of the body the person could take hours to die. Also imagine being on the short end of the straw of the person that has to walk over and shoot them in the head to ease any suffering.

People act like these same problems won't resurface.

The best solution is simply to lock them away for life.

Originally posted by Robtard
Wrong again.

"Physician-assisted death or "medical aid in dying" is legal in eleven jurisdictions: California, Colorado, District of Columbia, Hawaii, Montana, Maine, New Jersey, New Mexico, Oregon, Vermont, and Washington." -snip

States with Legal Physician-Assisted Suicide



Blake is correct, you're a "clueless asshat."


Medical aid in dying.


The person is already dying. The disease itself would kill them in about the same amount of time as the od.


That's an important distinction you're purposely glossing over.

Also:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euthanasia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assisted_suicide_in_the_United_States




So if you're paralyzed or unable to act, you're out of luck.


Doctors do not kill in the US, period.

Originally posted by Newjak
Well this topic went about the way I thought it would.

"The death penalty should go away as it's a level of power that should not be granted to the government to enact on its own citizens. Especially when the system in place for determining who it kills is far from infallible."

"But bad people did bad thing deserve to die!!! JUSTICE!!!"

Seriously though this is just stupid. People tend to forget there is a reason the firing squad fell out of favor time as a method of execution.

It's rough on the mental state of the executioners. If they miss they have to reload and shoot again. If they hit the wrong part of the body the person could take hours to die. Also imagine being on the short end of the straw of the person that has to walk over and shoot them in the head to ease any suffering.

People act like these same problems won't resurface.

The best solution is simply to lock them away for life. Bingo

Originally posted by Newjak
Well this topic went about the way I thought it would.

"The death penalty should go away as it's a level of power that should not be granted to the government to enact on its own citizens. Especially when the system in place for determining who it kills is far from infallible."

"But bad people did bad thing deserve to die!!! JUSTICE!!!"

Seriously though this is just stupid. People tend to forget there is a reason the firing squad fell out of favor time as a method of execution.

It's rough on the mental state of the executioners. If they miss they have to reload and shoot again. If they hit the wrong part of the body the person could take hours to die. Also imagine being on the short end of the straw of the person that has to walk over and shoot them in the head to ease any suffering.

People act like these same problems won't resurface.

The best solution is simply to lock them away for life.
You can certainly make the case that it could be rough on the mental state of the executioners, but your other points don't really make sense. You do not need to reload when you have 30 bullets in the mag, nor will the person take hours to die when a squad of, say, 5 people empty their M16s into the poor bastard. Unlike virtually all other methods of execution, the firing squad offers a very quick and humane death.

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
You can certainly make the case that it could be rough on the mental state of the executioners, but your other points don't really make sense. You do not need to reload when you have 30 bullets in the mag, nor will the person take hours to die when a squad of, say, 5 people empty their M16s into the poor bastard. Unlike virtually all other methods of execution, the firing squad offers a very quick and humane death. I'm sure with modern technology we can bring the guillotine back.

But on the subject of firing squads, I think it would be necessary under extreme circumstances like a world war, for example, but strictly for the military.

I would suggest Persian "boating" or the Greek brass bull.

Honestly, I was just reminiscing the Blackadder Goes Forth episode where he shot Speckled Jim.

"Ready aim fire!"

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
You can certainly make the case that it could be rough on the mental state of the executioners, but your other points don't really make sense. You do not need to reload when you have 30 bullets in the mag, nor will the person take hours to die when a squad of, say, 5 people empty their M16s into the poor bastard. Unlike virtually all other methods of execution, the firing squad offers a very quick and humane death. Well it depends on how you have the firing squad set up. Most often some of are set up with blanks. It's supposed to give some doubt to the executioners. Also they generally don't just unload full clips into people. They take a single shot each once the order is given. So maybe not reloading but having to retake aim.

As for gun shots taking hours to die from. That is a thing that happens from gunshot wounds.

Originally posted by Newjak
Well it depends on how you have the firing squad set up. Most often some of are set up with blanks. It's supposed to give some doubt to the executioners. Also they generally don't just unload full clips into people. They take a single shot each once the order is given. So maybe not reloading but having to retake aim.

As for gun shots taking hours to die from. That is a thing that happens from gunshot wounds. I was going to mention the use of blanks but never got round to it.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
I was going to mention the use of blanks but never got round to it. I think they did a study on it and that even when blanks were introduced to firing squads it didn't actually diminish the mental strain from being an executioner.

Originally posted by Newjak
I think they did a study on it and that even when blanks were introduced to firing squads it didn't actually diminish the mental strain from being an executioner. interesting, was not aware of that.

Originally posted by Newjak
I think they did a study on it and that even when blanks were introduced to firing squads it didn't actually diminish the mental strain from being an executioner. Well, if Catholics consider condoms equal to abortion, does that mean if I shoot blanks I'm a murderer too? I mean, I could have stopped her period if I fertilised the egg, so...