Supergirl vs Silver Surfer

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MrMind
CIS off

full capacity

Stoic
Surfer.

Smurph
Supergirl

ODG
^ Has Supergirl successfully fought intangible/phased beings?

Smurph
Not that I recall.

She probably has, but who knows.

abhilegend
I wasn't aware that Surfer is permanently phased in fights now.

Smurph
Well he could be. Mind started making all his threads about pure powerset debating. So when he says "CIS off full capacity" he always means "you control the character, who wins?"

MrMind
Originally posted by Smurph
Well he could be. Mind started making all his threads about pure powerset debating. So when he says "CIS off full capacity" he always means "you control the character, who wins?"

yep thumb up

superman can start off first microsecond with solar flare or torquasm-vo if he wants to

Stoic

h1a8
I'm pretty sure Superman (a kryptonian) has feats against matter manipulation.
So Surfer can turn SG into a table huh?
Can Surfer mess with Odin, Thor, Thanos on a genetic level? Why or why not?

MrMind
stoic is on ignore but is that really what he said? lmfao

Glorificus
Surfer stomps.

ODG
Originally posted by Smurph
Not that I recall.

She probably has, but who knows. Well, AFAIK Surfer is still perpetually intangible since Silver Surfer: Black. He can't really be touched but the Power Cosmic can affect others. The only attacks I'm aware that have affected him are certain magical attacks, the Abstract Griever, and the M'Kraan-amped Wrath of the Reckoning.

DarkSaint85
Knull affected him too. I think he's solid again, or else the writers have quietly dropped that intangible thing

abhilegend
Originally posted by Smurph
Well he could be. Mind started making all his threads about pure powerset debating. So when he says "CIS off full capacity" he always means "you control the character, who wins?"
laughing out loudOriginally posted by ODG
Well, AFAIK Surfer is still perpetually intangible since Silver Surfer: Black. He can't really be touched but the Power Cosmic can affect others. The only attacks I'm aware that have affected him are certain magical attacks, the Abstract Griever, and the M'Kraan-amped Wrath of the Reckoning.
No, he's not intangible anymore lol. King In Black had him turn normal when he absorbed uni power.

https://twitter.com/Doncates/status/1411128076596023297?t=Yq-zO3j97-7GAyFWd7NTiA&s=19

Confirmation from Cates.

abhilegend
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Knull affected him too. I think he's solid again, or else the writers have quietly dropped that intangible thing
He was changed by taking uni power within himself.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by abhilegend
He was changed by taking uni power within himself.

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ODG
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Knull affected him too. I think he's solid again, or else the writers have quietly dropped that intangible thing I don't recall Knull affecting him during King in Black. Before they could trade blows, Uni-power Venom took over the fight completely.

Err... Surfer's been intangible in basically every appearance since Silver Surfer: Black. During Annihilation: Scourge, when he fought Griever in Fantastic Four, when he fought the Avengers alongside Terrax and Firelord during the Starbrand's birth, during King in Black, during the Black Winter storyline... ?

DarkSaint85
I forget, it was his board:

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So is Surfer magically back to being tangible again?

https://i.postimg.cc/Vvpr2FYq/07-10.jpg

Which is a part of him, no?

ODG
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I forget, it was his board:



Which is a part of him, no? It is a part of him. But Knull himself never made contact with his board? Norrin brandished his board as a sword at Knull but then Uni-Power Venom took over immediately.

DarkSaint85
Venom can hold it (I misremembered it was Knull). Point being, tangible beings (i.e. Venom) can firmly grasp the hilt of Surfer's previously intangible board, which makes it and by extension, Surfer, tangible.

Edit: also, Mjolnir clangs against it, and in pretty sure (please someone correct me if not the case) that boardsword hits Knull and hurts him at some point (so interacting).

ODG
^ Venom shouldn't be wielding Mjolnir either, let alone melding them. But that's the Uni-Power, aka Enigma Force? And I recall Surfer literally phasing through Knull's symbiote dome with it as a neat bypass to the barrier preventing the Uni-Power from getting to Brock in the first place.

I guess I'll have to re-read it.

EDIT: IIRC, Surfer was smacking the Avengers around with his board like a bat during the Starbrand storyline too. Not sure that's evidence that he's tangible...

DarkSaint85
Well the whole point of Surfer Black was that he was completely intangible and couldn't do anything about it. He was stuck like that. Perpetually. So maybe writer's error, though Abhis interview (which, ftr, I hate), suggests Cates did it deliberately.

ODG
^ Not sure you can assign that narrative purpose to Silver Surfer: Black given that any initial dismay Surfer may have had during the start of Annihilation: Scourge when he thought he was a ghost was kinda immediately forgotten when Surfer realized he could still affect things and fight with the Power Cosmic? I mean... he fought the Abstract Griever for sixteen minutes. It just prevented most everybody else from touching or blasting him or his board.

DarkSaint85
He could still affect things, only by blasting iirc. Nothing else.

ODG
^ Even if that were true... not sure why that's such a bad thing in a hypothetical forum fight?

But I think you forget that Surfer could merge with other physical beings. He could also contain energy. He could hold things in forcefields. He could merge things into his board. He could smack around the Avengers with his board. Still had Cosmic Awareness. Also he somehow helped Nova come back to life. He really wasn't gimped in his intangible state.

MrMind
Originally posted by abhilegend
laughing out loud
No, he's not intangible anymore lol. King In Black had him turn normal when he absorbed uni power.

https://twitter.com/Doncates/status/1411128076596023297?t=Yq-zO3j97-7GAyFWd7NTiA&s=19

Confirmation from Cates.

full capacity goes both ways, didn't supergirl just recently have crazy feats?

abhilegend
Yeah, she was tanking galaxy busting attacks.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Supergirl can haul stars, survives attacks that could destroy several solar systems, hits hard enough to shake the cosmos and is brought down by attacks that could destroy galaxies.

https://i.postimg.cc/rKGQ16CK/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/ZWTjjfVj/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/xXt5ZKZQ/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/FfzpXYtL/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/bG5Tyq8F/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/fSnfd5Vc/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/p5fYJ8jg/image.jpg

laughing out loud

abhilegend
Anyway, Surfer's not intangible, Wrath is manhandling him physically just fine and he's affected by the blast just like She Hulk and Reed are.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Mind you, She-Hulk, Reed Richards and Sue all get up earlier than Surfer after attacked by Wraith.

https://i.postimg.cc/bGhVmWdM/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/WDwWC8k4/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/G837CDFx/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/4788N3wk/image.jpg

Imagine that level of durability.

Stoic

Stoic
The Surfer does not have to blast anything to affect them with the power cosmic.

ODG
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Stoic
Originally posted by abhilegend
Anyway, Surfer's not intangible, Wrath is manhandling him physically just fine and he's affected by the blast just like She Hulk and Reed are.

Wrath? You realize how powerful Wrath was right?

h1a8

abhilegend
Originally posted by Stoic
Wrath? You realize how powerful Wrath was right?
Yeah, can he survive galaxy destroying attacks?

Stoic

abhilegend
Or Kara just punches him really hard, really fast.

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