Create a Marvel character to take down Superman

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Endless Mike
Here's how it works: You will have to pick different Marvel characters for each of the following categories, and your composite character will get those respective attributes. You can't use the same character more than once, and the most current version of all characters are used (including for Superman).

Categories:

Strength
Speed
Durability
Stamina
Energy Projection
Intelligence
Special Power (anything that doesn't fall in the above categories)

lawest9
Strength-Hulk
Speed-Runner
Durability-Sentry
Stamina-Gladiator
Energy Projection-Silver Surfer
Intelligence-Reed Richard's
Danger Warning-Spider-man

ShadowFyre
Aunt May for every category.

DarkSaint85
Strength - Reed
Speed - Hulk
Durability - Spider Man
Stamina - Surfer
Energy Projection - Runner
Intelligence - Sentry
Danger Warning - Gladiator

MrMind
Strength-she-hulk
Speed-captain danvers
Durability-diamond emma frost
Stamina-gamora
Energy Projection-jane thor
Intelligence-susan storm
Special Power-magik


yassss queennnnnnn

let's punish them straight white male with vagine power

yayayaya

zopzop
Originally posted by lawest9
Strength-Hulk
Speed-Runner
Durability-Sentry
Stamina-Gladiator
Energy Projection-Silver Surfer
Intelligence-Reed Richard's
Danger Warning-Spider-man
The sad part is, I agree with this. That's how stupidly overpowered Superman is as a character.

StiltmanFTW
Homo Erectus Africanus.

/endthread

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Homo Erectus Africanus.

/endthread

His alter ego, Denis O'Vian.

Old Man Whirly!
Originally posted by zopzop
The sad part is, I agree with this. That's how stupidly overpowered Superman is as a character. still couldn't beat Supes.

tkitna
They already have characters that can beat Superman, why create another?

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
still couldn't beat Supes.

Masturbating to Clark at 60yo cannot possibly be a healthy thing, Whirl.

Endless Mike
Originally posted by tkitna
They already have characters that can beat Superman, why create another?

Composite characters are fun.

Bentley
Originally posted by MrMind
Strength-she-hulk
Speed-captain danvers
Durability-diamond emma frost
Stamina-gamora
Energy Projection-jane thor
Intelligence-susan storm
Special Power-magik


yassss queennnnnnn

let's punish them straight white male with vagine power

yayayaya

By know Marvel must've asked you to write one of their books or even become their main editor

Old Man Whirly!
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Masturbating to Clark at 60yo cannot possibly be a healthy thing, Whirl. ahh, mhmm I'll tell you in 5 years Stilt. Up, up and away!

Old Man Whirly!
The answer is, cannot be done.

Endless Mike
Anyway here is mine:

Strength: Thanos
Speed: Silver Surfer
Durability: Juggernaut
Stamina: Thing
Energy Projection: Doctor Strange
Intelligence: Spider - Man (Peter Parker)
Special Power: Multiple Man's cloning ability

Stoic

Sin I AM
Silver Surfer....thread

h1a8
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Silver Surfer....thread You would get stomped with the strength, speed, stamina, energy projection, intelligence, and durability of Surfer (all are significantly below Superman).
And the stips doesn't allow you to use the same character more than once for each attribute.
So what are you talking about?

steverules_2
Originally posted by ShadowFyre
Aunt May for every category.
Originally posted by h1a8
You would get stomped with the strength, speed, stamina, energy projection, intelligence, and durability of Surfer (all are significantly below Superman).
And the stips doesn't allow you to use the same character more than once for each attribute.
So what are you talking about?

https://i.postimg.cc/htmZjvS2/04-B4-B55-F-056-E-4544-B559-2-F3048-DD6047.webp

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
ahh, mhmm I'll tell you in 5 years Stilt. Up, up and away!

I know you're not sixty yet. Just messing with you stick out tongue

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
The answer is, cannot be done.

laughing out loud

Astner
Originally posted by h1a8
You would get stomped with the strength, speed, stamina, energy projection, intelligence, and durability of Surfer (all are significantly below Superman).
Not even close.

Superman might have the edge in physical strength, because the Silver Surfer hasn't really shown strength on Superman's level, then again when you have the Power Cosmic at your finger-tips you can rearrange reality without ever having to touch it.

But there are a plethora of ways for the Silver Surfer to defeat Superman. Turning him into salt, creating Kryptonite, blasting him with red stellar radiation, tearing the solar radiation out of his cells similarly to how he tore the Hulk's gamma-rays in The Increadible Hulk #250, etc.

And it's not like like Superman can do much to someone who's barely fazed by Thor striking him in the face full-force with Mjolnir.

You may well make a case for that Superman would win against e.g. the Hulk, because Marvel superheroes aren't as well-rounded: Superman being significantly faster, able to fly, able to use Heat Vision, etc.

But when it comes to cosmic characters like the Silver Surfer the tables turn.

https://i.imgur.com/xTpBZpL.jpg

- Day of Judgement #1

Originally posted by h1a8
And the stips doesn't allow you to use the same character more than once for each attribute
I think the issue she's getting at is the fact that there's no limitation to what characters you can and can't use.

You don't have to construct the weakest version able to beat Superman, nor are you limited by a particular tier (e.g. Heralds), so technically you could pull from the Beyonders, Celestials, and Abstracts.

Thor, Hulk and Hyperion all have feats that rival some of Superman's best. Which is one of the three main attributes Superman has going for him, the others being durability and speed.

lawest9
I would like to see a scan of Surfer taking a full powered hit from mjolnir in his face.

Astner
Originally posted by lawest9
I would like to see a scan of Surfer taking a full powered hit from mjolnir in his face.
I'll have to concede this point because I misremembered. I thought he hit him with Mjolnir when he dented his head in but it was a headbutt.

https://i.imgur.com/aPRDmzvm.jpg

- Mighty Thor (2011) #3

lawest9
Originally posted by Astner
I'll have to concede this point because I misremembered. I thought he hit him with Mjolnir when he dented his head in but it was a headbutt.

https://i.imgur.com/aPRDmzvm.jpg

- Mighty Thor (2011) #3 Ok, Thor bloodied himself with that headbutt and I believe that is the same story arc where Odin did the same to Galactus, headbutting didn't serve father and son too well in that arc. laughing out loud

Magnon
I've never seen Silver Surfer turn Thor or Hulk or Thanos into salt.

lawest9
Originally posted by Magnon
I've never seen Silver Surfer turn Thor or Hulk or Thanos into salt. Or anything else for that matter.

Astner
Originally posted by Magnon
I've never seen Silver Surfer turn Thor or Hulk or Thanos into salt.
No, but the big thing about the Silver Surfer is that he's a pacifist. Thor and Thanos are magic users and Thanos further has access to technology that shields him from cosmic threats.

But I could definitely see the Surfer turn Hulk into salt, just like Dormammu did. Tehnically he turned him into crystal, but the point remains.

https://i.imgur.com/UbpnMakm.jpg

- Defenders (2005) #2

StiltmanFTW
Dormammu is much more powerful than Surfer.

It happened in his realm, too.

Astner
Originally posted by lawest9
Or anything else for that matter.
He's transmuted things before.

https://i.imgur.com/2g5plXnm.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/hKnDBNMm.jpg

- Silver Surfer (1987) #96

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Dormammu is much more powerful than Surfer.

It happened in his realm, too.
The point is that the Hulk doesn't have any inherent resistance to matter transmutation.

Old Man Whirly!
Look up Quasimodo for Surfers greatest feet.

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by Astner
The point is that the Hulk doesn't have any inherent resistance to matter transmutation.

Your point is wrong as ****, then.

As the Hulk has a whole history of resisting transmutation.

Target X
Lois Lane

Astner
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Your point is wrong as ****, then.

As the Hulk has a whole history of resisting transmutation.
What kind of feats are you referring to?

StiltmanFTW
Mad Thinker and Grey Gargoyle, most importantly.

Kitty Pryde tried phasing him into the ground and that didn't work, either. Beast credited it due to his unique physiology.

Astner
In what books do these things happen?

StiltmanFTW
The beginning of Waid's Indestructible Hulk run and the classic TIH run by PAD, Acts of Vengeance tie-in.

And WWH/X-Men mini.

Astner
Don't be coy, give me the issue numbers.

StiltmanFTW
Numbers are for mathophiles.

carver9
Green
Strong
Durable
Madder he gets stronger he gets

abhilegend
Originally posted by Astner
Not even close.

Superman might have the edge in physical strength, because the Silver Surfer hasn't really shown strength on Superman's level, then again when you have the Power Cosmic at your finger-tips you can rearrange reality without ever having to touch it.

But there are a plethora of ways for the Silver Surfer to defeat Superman. Turning him into salt, creating Kryptonite, blasting him with red stellar radiation, tearing the solar radiation out of his cells similarly to how he tore the Hulk's gamma-rays in The Increadible Hulk #250, etc.

Funny how that's not Cyborg Superman treated Surfer.



laughing out loud

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-pakL1ufNPco/VoTuPeuirrI/AAAAAAAAa5s/4G6AMUWwyrA/s1600-Ic42/RCO016.jpg

Now consider what Superman did to Thor.




This just in, Surfer is Spectre level now.



Surfer don't, that's the point.

abhilegend
Originally posted by carver9
Green
Strong
Durable
Madder he gets stronger he gets
Frog man?

lawest9
Originally posted by abhilegend
Frog man? 😆😆😆

abhilegend

abhilegend
Originally posted by Astner
No, but the big thing about the Silver Surfer is that he's a pacifist. Thor and Thanos are magic users and Thanos further has access to technology that shields him from cosmic threats.

But I could definitely see the Surfer turn Hulk into salt, just like Dormammu did. Tehnically he turned him into crystal, but the point remains.

https://i.imgur.com/UbpnMakm.jpg

- Defenders (2005) #2 Originally posted by Astner
He's transmuted things before.

https://i.imgur.com/2g5plXnm.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/hKnDBNMm.jpg

- Silver Surfer (1987) #96


The point is that the Hulk doesn't have any inherent resistance to matter transmutation.

Superman has obviously never survived or resisted transmutation.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman survives magical attacks from disciple which not even diana and zauriel could survive

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/54.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/55.jpg
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http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/59.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/60.jpg

DarkSaint85
Weren't there twins who tried to -precisely as being said here - turn Superman into salt?

abhilegend
Yeah, action comics 815-816 I think

Endless Mike
I specifically said you can only choose one character for each attribute.

So if you only pick Surfer, then your character just gets one of his attributes (his speed, or strength, or durability, etc.) The rest of the attributes would only be equal to that of an average human.

So there's pretty much no way your 1-attribute-only Surfer could win.

h1a8
Originally posted by Astner
Not even close.

Superman might have the edge in physical strength, because the Silver Surfer hasn't really shown strength on Superman's level, then again when you have the Power Cosmic at your finger-tips you can rearrange reality without ever having to touch it.

But there are a plethora of ways for the Silver Surfer to defeat Superman. Turning him into salt, creating Kryptonite, blasting him with red stellar radiation, tearing the solar radiation out of his cells similarly to how he tore the Hulk's gamma-rays in The Increadible Hulk #250, etc.

And it's not like like Superman can do much to someone who's barely fazed by Thor striking him in the face full-force with Mjolnir.

You may well make a case for that Superman would win against e.g. the Hulk, because Marvel superheroes aren't as well-rounded: Superman being significantly faster, able to fly, able to use Heat Vision, etc.

But when it comes to cosmic characters like the Silver Surfer the tables turn.

https://i.imgur.com/xTpBZpL.jpg

- Day of Judgement #1


I think the issue she's getting at is the fact that there's no limitation to what characters you can and can't use.

You don't have to construct the weakest version able to beat Superman, nor are you limited by a particular tier (e.g. Heralds), so technically you could pull from the Beyonders, Celestials, and Abstracts.

Thor, Hulk and Hyperion all have feats that rival some of Superman's best. Which is one of the three main attributes Superman has going for him, the others being durability and speed.

I think you need to reread the OP. The thread isn't about a character having Surfer's power cosmic but separate attributes (strength, speed, durability, energy projection, stamina, and intelligence).

You can have all of that WITHOUT having Surfer's exotic powers (because that's not included).

Second, I disagree that Surfer can beat Superman at all.
Surfer can't turn Superman into salt. Superman has feats against MM.
Superman is far faster than Surfer in battle. Surfer wouldn't be able to land a strike if Superman didn't want him to. Superman can pop Surfer right away. You assume Superman would sit there and allow Surfer to whatever he desires. That's like taking a MA class where the teacher demonstrates moves that doesn't work in real life on slow motion opponents.

No one has feats to rival Superman's best. You need to read comics dude. Superman's feats are astronomically more than all those characters you named COMBINED.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by Endless Mike
I specifically said you can only choose one character for each attribute.

So if you only pick Surfer, then your character just gets one of his attributes (his speed, or strength, or durability, etc.) The rest of the attributes would only be equal to that of an average human.

So there's pretty much no way your 1-attribute-only Surfer could win.

What if my special attribute was 'wields the Power Cosmic'? Then my character could use it like how Radd - a normal Zenn-Lannian - became one of the top heralds in Marvel.

Then I stack the speed of Thor, the intelligence of Hulk etc on top....truly fearsome!

Stoic
Strength - Walker
Speed - Sentry
Durability - Wrath
Stamina - Juggernaut
Energy Projection - Galactus
Intelligence - Blue Marvel
Special Power (anything that doesn't fall in the above categories) - Can I use the Starbrand?

h1a8
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Here's how it works: You will have to pick different Marvel characters for each of the following categories, and your composite character will get those respective attributes. You can't use the same character more than once, and the most current version of all characters are used (including for Superman).

Categories:

Strength
Speed
Durability
Stamina
Energy Projection
Intelligence
Special Power (anything that doesn't fall in the above categories)

Strength WBH
Speed QS
Durability Classic Juggs
Stamina sentry
Energy projection Thanos
Intelligence Reed
Special power Xavier TP

Stoic
Originally posted by h1a8
Strength WBH
Speed QS
Durability Classic Juggs
Stamina sentry
Energy projection Thanos
Intelligence Reed
Special power Xavier TP

Do you believe that your statement answers the question?

ODG
Strength - Guy Gardner
Speed - Guy Gardner
Durability - Guy Gardner
Stamina - Guy Gardner
Energy Projection - Guy Gardner
Intelligence - Guy Gardner
Special Power - Guy Gardner w/ GL ring

8swords
Create a Marvel character to take down Superman
Here's how it works: You will have to pick different Marvel characters for each of the following categories, and your composite character will get those respective attributes. You can't use the same character more than once, and the most current version of all characters are used (including for Superman).

Categories:

Strength Aunt May
Speed Aunt May
Durability Aunt May
Stamina Aunt May
Energy Projection golden Aunt May, but it isnt needed
Intelligence Aunt May having the knowledge to get adamantium katana that can "penetrate" superman
Special Power mystiques shapeshifting turning into lois then says "look at this katana dear" then proceeds to stab superman.

abhilegend
laughing out loud

Stoic

Delta1938
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Weren't there twins who tried to -precisely as being said here - turn Superman into salt?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, action comics 815-816 I think

And Superman was weakened at the time, due to liquefied Kryptonite(weakened his powers, eventually he lost powers, and he was eventually artificially aged) and they repeatedly tried to turn him into salt but couldn't. Even with his powers occasionally not working(sometimes flight stopped for example). Even when they were holding hands (physical contact between them boosted their powers) it didn't work. For comparison, earlier when he first started getting weaker his durability was so low he had conventional 9 MM rounds go right through him, was easily stabbed and almost drowned. But still was too durable for them to transmute him.

Superman has other examples too than that and what Abhi showed. It looks like Astner is just channeling mid 2008's KMC and thinking Surfer being Surfer means he wins however he wants.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by ODG
Strength - Guy Gardner
Speed - Guy Gardner
Durability - Guy Gardner
Stamina - Guy Gardner
Energy Projection - Guy Gardner
Intelligence - Guy Gardner
Special Power - Guy Gardner w/ GL ring

This.

https://i.postimg.cc/BnQH57vb/13.jpg

ShadowFyre
Originally posted by 8swords
Create a Marvel character to take down Superman
Here's how it works: You will have to pick different Marvel characters for each of the following categories, and your composite character will get those respective attributes. You can't use the same character more than once, and the most current version of all characters are used (including for Superman).

Categories:

Strength Aunt May
Speed Aunt May
Durability Aunt May
Stamina Aunt May
Energy Projection golden Aunt May, but it isnt needed
Intelligence Aunt May having the knowledge to get adamantium katana that can "penetrate" superman
Special Power mystiques shapeshifting turning into lois then says "look at this katana dear" then proceeds to stab superman.

That's what I'm talking bout. Just one of Aunt Mays stats so far surpasses this clown she doesn't new any others

ODG
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
This.

https://i.postimg.cc/BnQH57vb/13.jpg https://25.media.tumblr.com/e4569092f4d6bb22f219332ed732600e/tumblr_mmf3ekLXP11qko4x4o1_500.gif

ODG
Originally posted by Astner
He's transmuted things before.

https://i.imgur.com/2g5plXnm.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/hKnDBNMm.jpg

- Silver Surfer (1987) #96


The point is that the Hulk doesn't have any inherent resistance to matter transmutation. Hulk arguably does have increased resistance to matter transmutation: Originally posted by ODG
MISCELLANEOUS

A clone of Goom, an alien powerful enough to levitate entire cities has his molecular condensation attempts to shrink Savage Hulk resisted and reversed in Incredible Hulk Annual #5:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Durability/SavageHulkTransmutation01Annual5.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Durability/SavageHulkTransmutation01Annual5.jpg

The supervillain, Glazier, a woman with the ability to transmute anything into glass, begins transmuting Bruce Banner but the Savage Hulk completely resists and reverses the transmutation in Incredible Hulk #262:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Durability/SavageHulkTransmutation02262.jpg

Savage Hulk shows extreme resistance to transmutation when High Evolutionary admits that his armor's devices cannot devolve him and only the immediate environment around him in Incredible Hulk #266:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Durability/SavageHulkTransmutation03266.jpg

Mr. Fixit's healing factor and heightened metabolism has shaken off the effects of transmutation. Here, he shrugs off the Grey Gargoyle's stone touch -- an ability that has turned even the mighty Thor into helpless stone -- in Incredible Hulk #363:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Durability/GreyHulkTransmutation01363.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Durability/GreyHulkTransmutation02.jpg

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