DC Speedsters vs Marvel stacked Team

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MrMind
Wally
Barry
Bart
Inertia
Hunter
Thawne
Godspeed
Savitar
Black Flash

vs

Surfer
Gladiator
Morg/WOL
Tyrant
DS Sentry
Magik
Runner
Adam Warlock soul gem
Thanos
Nate Grey

full capacity, cis off, bloodlusted

tkitna
Lot of planet busters on Marvel. I really dont know how this would go down. Dont know how the speedsters deal with mind control either.

Stoic
Marvel for me.

basilisk
This would be crazy. At first glance at the list I thought the speedsters are too much but team Marvel have some pretty heavy hitters too. It would be interesting to see what would happen if T1 all dispersed and went straight into speed steal (if they can all do that, at least some can). But if full capacity Nate Grey, Adam Warlock, Magik, Tyrant (FP Tyrant here?) get a chance to really cut loose with their powers it might be all over. And T2 have some serious firepower if they can use it.

Leaning to Marvel.

DarkSaint85
I lean Marvel as well. Primarily because of Nate, I guess.

MrMind
How are they gonna kill black flash

beatboks
Originally posted by basilisk
This would be crazy. At first glance at the list I thought the speedsters are too much but team Marvel have some pretty heavy hitters too. It would be interesting to see what would happen if T1 all dispersed and went straight into speed steal (if they can all do that, at least some can). But if full capacity Nate Grey, Adam Warlock, Magik, Tyrant (FP Tyrant here?) get a chance to really cut loose with their powers it might be all over. And T2 have some serious firepower if they can use it.

Leaning to Marvel.

Only one there that can speed steal is wally as far as I know (unless something has chamged for Barry). Pre Flashpoint I thought Jay was the only other one to be able to speed steal.

I dont see how team DC speedster can take down all of team Marvel so leaning toward Marvel.

beatboks
Originally posted by MrMind
How are they gonna kill black flash

Why would they need to?
Nothing in your OP says death is a necessary win condition. Surely KO, incapacitation, BFR are sufficient for a win.

beatboks
Originally posted by tkitna
Lot of planet busters on Marvel. I really dont know how this would go down. Dont know how the speedsters deal with mind control either.

Some of the speedster like Barry and Wally have feats of being immune to TP because their thoughts move to quickly. It's inconsistent however even for those two so maybe their thoughts aren't always fast.

Still there are way too many options for the Marvel team to draw upon.

qwertyuiop1998
Originally posted by beatboks
Only one there that can speed steal is wally as far as I know (unless something has chamged for Barry).
Godspeed also could IIRC

Edit:

Barry and Wallace did speedsteal in the arc to permanently depower Godspeed

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Smurph
Iirc Savitar could too?

DarkSaint85
Savitar can Indeed speedsteal.

Senor Cage
Speedsters. Black Flash is the deal breaker

MrMind
Originally posted by beatboks
Why would they need to?
Nothing in your OP says death is a necessary win condition. Surely KO, incapacitation, BFR are sufficient for a win.

how are they gonna
bfr
or
incapacitate
or
ko

black flash

ODG
^ Does Black Flash even care about anybody who aren't speedsters?

Seems like self-sabotage to put him together with all the other Speedforce speedsters.

MrMind
it's a hypothetical forum battle....

ODG

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by tkitna
Dont know how the speedsters deal with mind control either.

Oh, you do know.

They get easily controlled and get their asses kicked by... Catwoman laughing out loud

DarkSaint85

MrMind
Cis off you guys know how my battle goes, not the first time I have to explain bud

Stoic

ODG
Originally posted by MrMind
Cis off you guys know how my battle goes, not the first time I have to explain bud It's just... the only thing Black Flash does is try to claim Speedforce speedsters???

I could imagine Blade placed on a team with other vampires and fighting alongside them because of circumstances. But Black Flash doesn't really have agency. He's more like a force of nature that has a single purpose.

Kinda think you need to re-read the forum rules about CIS, mang. If you have to keep explaining your intentions to confused posters, you might want to consider turning the mirror inward, bud.

MrMind
no

DarkSaint85
Well in Mr Mind's defence, the question still stands.

Let's say fine, Black Flash....kills his teammates. Then it's him Vs team Marvel. What would they do to take him out?

Unless the question then becomes, does Black Flash just sit down and ignore them because they're not speedsters......

ODG
^ If the Black Flash were to fight the team, I suppose using the Soul Gem might prove to be a possible ploy to counter him.

But yeah, I think Black Flash just leaves if there aren't any more Speedforce speedsters around. It's... it's what he does.

MrMind
why would thor ever fight superman in forum battle? there needs to be a reason anytime character fights in forum battle? you want me to write you a little story in the OP for this fight to happen?

like thanos raped black flash's wife?

cdtm
Originally posted by MrMind
Wally
Barry
Bart
Inertia
Hunter
Thawne
Godspeed
Savitar
Black Flash

vs

Surfer
Gladiator
Morg/WOL
Tyrant
DS Sentry
Magik
Runner
Adam Warlock soul gem
Thanos
Nate Grey

full capacity, cis off, bloodlusted


You call Team Marvel stacked, yet I don't spot any titties on the team.


Unless.... is Thor on it?

ODG
Originally posted by MrMind
why would thor ever fight superman in forum battle? there needs to be a reason anytime character fights in forum battle? you want me to write you a little story in the OP for this fight to happen?

like thanos raped black flash's wife? Bruh, it's like you putting the Kyrptonite Man on a team with Superman, Supergirl and Superboy. Guy can't help that he's essentially anathema to his teammates.

Beginning to think you have little conception (or respect) for what Black Flash is.

MrMind
black flash is also implied to be black racer
a new god, an avatar of death

i love how your brain won't get pass this, it's very herpity derp derp

ODG
^ How does this implication matter at all to my point? Or is this a just a non sequitor?

MrMind
what's a non sequitor?

DarkSaint85
I thought Black Flash was Wallace West.

MrMind
johns implied heavily in flash rebirth that br is bl

then there's final crisis where wally straight up say so, god the art was bad on this

https://i.ibb.co/Q9jDLWN/flash06.jpg

also DS, send nudes

DarkSaint85
I vibrate so quickly my genitals are invisible.

ODG
Originally posted by MrMind
what's a non sequitor? Pointing out that Black Flash may be the Black Racer... who's only goal is to claim New Gods... makes utterly no difference here. You didn't pout any New Gods on the opposing team.

MrMind
what were we talking about?

qwertyuiop1998
Black Racer not just comes for speedsters/gods to my knowledge.

Recent Darkseid War the Flash's tie-in is the first came to my mind. He claims every living things and if unhinged/released, he would destroy the entire universe. So if you consider untethered as CIS off, then BR certainly won't care who he is going to attack

Other instances I can think of now is: During Our Worlds At War, it did come to claim Steel's life IIRC, in its Flash tie-in he killed his sister's husband, in JLA: Rock of Ages he was the death of entire creation/universe etc

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Black Racer not just comes for speedsters/gods to my knowledge.

Recent Darkseid War the Flash's tie-in is the first came to my mind. He claims every living things and if unhinged/released, he would destroy the entire universe. So if you consider untethered as CIS off, then BR certainly won't care who he is going to attack

Other instances I can think of now is: During Our Worlds At War, it did come to claim Steel's life IIRC, in its Flash tie-in he killed his sister's husband, in JLA: Rock of Ages he was the death of entire creation/universe etc

Yeah but Mind is using Black Flash.

qwertyuiop1998
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yeah but Mind is using Black Flash.
Yep, I thought mind probably was aiming for this angle when he brought about Black Racer.....but 95% of time he doesn't post seriously now, so in actuality, I'm not sure about it sad

MrMind
i post serious if there's a legit discussion
but the forum is so dead most of the time sad

it's getting better though, with resurgence of old posters posting more frequently thumb up

MrMind
bump

ODG
Originally posted by ODG
^ Does Black Flash even care about anybody who aren't speedsters?

Seems like self-sabotage to put him together with all the other Speedforce speedsters.

MrMind
you so passive aggressive it's very cute

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by MrMind
you so passive aggressive it's very cute

Advanced prostate cancer, too much fried chicken.

He's right to oppose the ridiculous DC fanboyism on our site, though.

MrMind
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Advanced prostate cancer, too much fried chicken.



ODG was in a relationship with this dude?

https://i.ibb.co/X5yrbYc/CN2-RNfu-VAAIGd-Xd.png

StiltmanFTW
That's confidential.

All I will reveal on the subject is that there exists a damn good reason why ODG was missing for so many years.

Old Man Whirly!

abhilegend
Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
but doesn't that sort of "strange allies" plot happen in comics all the time.
Don't strain dumbo's mind too much. It's fragile.

ODG
Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
but doesn't that sort of "strange allies" plot happen in comics all the time. Originally posted by ODG
It's just... the only thing Black Flash does is try to claim Speedforce speedsters???

I could imagine Blade placed on a team with other vampires and fighting alongside them because of circumstances. But Black Flash doesn't really have agency. He's more like a force of nature that has a single purpose.

MrMind
he's never getting over it, it's very cute

im glad you are back odg, the forum needs more people for fun discussion

ODG
^ Blame me for a self-sabotaged thread topic you started? Okie dokie.

At this point, I expect you to fake private messages I allegedly sent to you insisting you make this thread topic.

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ODG
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Advanced prostate cancer, too much fried chicken. Now look here, bruh.

I am not genetically predisposed to chicken. Fried chicken is delicious and tasty.

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Old Man Whirly!
Originally posted by abhilegend
Don't strain dumbo's mind too much. It's fragile. twould seem so.

ODG
https://y.yarn.co/22c0c06a-8dcc-4518-9a37-6b514137f12c_text.gif

ODG
Quick, make a thread where you manipulate the voting to distract everyone. kinda

Enzeru
So it's basically speed steal vs insane power, versatility and immortality.

MrMind
Originally posted by Enzeru
So it's basically speed steal vs insane power, versatility and immortality.

yes speed steal time travel hax broken MFTL vs buncha characters enzeru fangirling over

abhilegend
One imp for each character is enough, no?

Barry punches Anti Monitor through universeS at near infinite mass.

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carver9
Team Marvel wins.

abhilegend
Originally posted by carver9
Team Marvel wins.
Nope

Adam Grimes
Barry solos

yaadaveyaa
not sure how the speedster team can win.

Can't stop Sentry, Nate smashes them, Idk they don't seem to have a path to victory.

yaadaveyaa
Originally posted by Adam Grimes
Barry solos

lol don't be silly. way too much power on the marvel side barry would die pretty quickly.

MrMind
laughing out loud who's this guy

yaadaveyaa
Originally posted by MrMind
laughing out loud who's this guy

I'm an OG, haven't been in here since like 2019, decided to come back spread some knowledge and then go into another slumber.

yaadaveyaa
Originally posted by yaadaveyaa
I'm an OG, haven't been in here since like 2019, decided to come back spread some knowledge and then go into another slumber.

I'm so old, I was here when Badabing had a raptor as his avatar smile smile

abhilegend
Originally posted by yaadaveyaa
lol don't be silly. way too much power on the marvel side barry would die pretty quickly.
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carver9
Originally posted by abhilegend
Nope

Why not? They hold every single advantage minus speed.

carver9
Originally posted by abhilegend
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We don't use single high showings here.

MrMind
Originally posted by carver9
Why not? They hold every single advantage minus speed.

Black flash is immortal

carver9
Originally posted by MrMind
Black flash is immortal

How would he handle a force block from Thanos?

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by carver9
We don't use single high showings here.

So WBH is invalid, I suppose.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by carver9
How would he handle a force block from Thanos?

By being too fast for Thanos to react

carver9
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So WBH is invalid, I suppose.

This version of Hulk is full of fts. Read the story

carver9
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
By being too fast for Thanos to react

So he's targeting Thanos?

MrMind
Originally posted by carver9
This version of Hulk is full of fts. Read the story

Yeah and Barry has more high showings

Originally posted by carver9
So he's targeting Thanos?

He's targeting everybody

carver9
What showings does he have that proves he is knocking Thanos TF out?

MrMind
what comic book have you read with barry allen in it?

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by carver9
So he's targeting Thanos?

With superspeed,yes. Watch Black Adam and you'll see what happens when one side is faster.

carver9
Originally posted by MrMind
what comic book have you read with barry allen in it?

Thanks for answering my question with a question. Great post!!!

carver9
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
With superspeed,yes. Watch Black Adam and you'll see what happens when one side is faster.

Gotcha. So how is he dropping Thanos in this super speed mode before Thanos can give off an attack.

MrMind
Originally posted by carver9
Thanks for answering my question with a question. Great post!!!
how else am i suppose to deal with a troll

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by carver9
Gotcha. So how is he dropping Thanos in this super speed mode before Thanos can give off an attack.

Speed steal.

Or just taking his organs out.

Or just spamming IMPs.

Or just rewriting reality. Tbf, Wally would be there too.

carver9
Originally posted by MrMind
how else am i suppose to deal with a troll

My question was legit.

carver9
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Speed steal.

Or just taking his organs out.

Or just spamming IMPs.

Or just rewriting reality. Tbf, Wally would be there too.

Thought Black Flash died before (which resulted in his powers being transferred to another Flash).

Also, he's never done any of that on panel iirc.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by carver9
Thought Black Flash died before (which resulted in his powers being transferred to another Flash).

Also, he's never done any of that on panel iirc.

Is this one of those things you could've sworn?

Come back when you have a point.

Senor Cage
Team Speedsters.

abhilegend
Originally posted by carver9
Why not? They hold every single advantage minus speed.
Speed kills

qwertyuiop1998
I'm little surprised that nobody( as far as I saw) brings the fact Barry withstands Anti-Monitor attacks that blast him to bounce around realities/universes

And Barry seems no worse for wear, given he later still was capable of fighting AM along with other heroes

DarkSaint85
Oh qwerty. Your sweet and gentle nature will be simultaneously your greatest strength, and biggest weakness.

MrMind
darksaint si the yami version of qwerty

kinda like yugi and atem

Philosophía
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
I'm little surprised that nobody( as far as I saw) brings the fact Barry withstands Anti-Monitor attacks that blast him to bounce around realities/universes

And Barry seems no worse for wear, given he later still was capable of fighting AM along with other heroes Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Oh qwerty. Your sweet and gentle nature will be simultaneously your greatest strength, and biggest weakness.

MrMind
am I sweet and gentle too?

StiltmanFTW
Bro.

You... you are... I mean... you know well what you are.

Don't try to be someone else.

Juntai
Flash out here punching Antimonitor across the multiverse, and people wonder who wins here. lol.

carver9
Because we don't use one ft as a determine who wins a fight. You should know this.

-Pr-
Originally posted by carver9
Because we don't use one ft as a determine who wins a fight. You should know this.

Wny not? You do it all the time.

StiltmanFTW
https://i.ibb.co/YcFhpdc/74qdi2.jpg

-Pr-
lol, howdy.

DarkSaint85
How fast are these Flashes? Like, could they run across the universe?

ODG
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
How fast are these Flashes? Like, could they run across the universe? Sure, why not? But being able to travel across the universe isn't exclusive to them if you consider the characters in this thread. And if the Flashes did that in this hypothetical battle, they'd just be BFRing themselves.

DarkSaint85
What do you consider to be a BFR? As in, is there a timeframe for them to return?

abhilegend
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
What do you consider to be a BFR? As in, is there a timeframe for them to return?
Whatever makes them lose.

ODG
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
What do you consider to be a BFR? As in, is there a timeframe for them to return? I suppose if they can return easily than they aren't BFRed.

Test123
Didn't Justice Lords Superman do more damage than the thousands of IMPs Flash landed on AM? What's that Superman's best feat anyways?

Also Flash uses his vibrations to move through the multiverse, and he was doing that as he was fighting the AM. He transferred those vibrations to the Anti-Monitor through the IMPs that he confirmed were backed up with the right amount of vibrational energy.

So Anti-Monitor is not being moved through realities by virtue of the raw power of Flash's hits, but rather the specific mechanics of his power-set that allow the Flash to move beyond space and time.

qwertyuiop1998
Or it's just the raw powers that send AM to different realities. As the comic alludes to. I.E, Flash's IMP can casually deform space-time and with his vibrational energy it becomes the mightiest punch in the Multiverse

If we want to use our speculations of course.

But regardless, even if you subscribe to the notion that Flash is using specific mechanics to move AM across the Multiverse, it still allows Flash to BFR his opponents.

Test123
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Or it's just the raw powers that send AM to different realities. As the comic alludes to. I.E, Flash's IMP can casually deform space-time and with his vibrational energy it becomes the mightiest punch in the Multiverse

If we want to use our speculations of course.

But regardless, even you subscribe to the notion that Flash is using specific mechanics to move AM across the Multiverse, it still allows Flash to BFR his opponents.

But by matching his vibrations, you can follow Flash across the multiverse, and he can transfer those vibrations to the Anti-Monitor by punching him, so yeah I agree it's a BFR punch, but is it really that powerful? Other characters did more damage to his armor than Flash, and also tanked his anti-matter blasts just as well.

qwertyuiop1998
Originally posted by Test123
But by matching his vibrations, you can follow Flash across the multiverse, and he can transfer those vibrations to the Anti-Monitor by punching him, so yeah I agree it's a BFR punch, but is it really that powerful? Other characters did more damage to his armor than Flash, and also tanked his anti-matter blasts just as well.
Yeah, but like I said, if we want to use speculations, then this comic also alludes to the notion Flash was sending AM across the Multiverse by his raw power. As it states in the comic, the vibrational energy backed his punch and allowed it to become the mightiest punch in the Multiverse

And if we want to use visual damage as an indication for one's attack powers, then we have Sinestro Corps War where you need a galaxy-level attack to destroy its armor( when AM was at a weakened state)

And we have Wally in Chain Lightning destroyed AM's armor. So I guess it's a moot point to argue AM's armor, since it still benefits to Flash's side, right?

So all in all, it is a good feat for Flash side, no? Barry now tanked a spam of attacks that sent him across the Multiverse, and can BFR his opponents across the Multiverse

Test123
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Yeah, but like I said, if we want to use speculations, then this comic also alludes to the notion Flash was sending AM across the Multiverse by his raw power. As it states in the comic, the vibrational energy backed his punch and allowed it to become the mightiest punch in the Multiverse

And if we want to use visual damage as an indication for one's attack powers, then we have Sinestro Corps War where you need a galaxy-level attack to destroy its armor( when AM was at a weakened state)

And we have Wally in Chain Lightning destroyed AM's armor. So I guess it's a moot point to argue AM's armor, since it still benefits to Flash's side, right?

So all in all, it is a good feat for Flash side, no? Barry now tanked a spam of attacks that sent him across the Multiverse, and can BFR his opponents across the Multiverse In terms of it being an attack that can BFR someone across the multiverse I'd agree. I'm just contested as to whether or not this was done via raw power or a special ability (vibrating). Otherwise he wouldn't need vibrational energy, he can just punch him.

The Wally instance is kind of similar, except we don't know if he was moving at LS, so it may not be an IMP, or if he was vibrating through the armour and causing it to blow up that way.

As for the SCW Anti-Monitor, wasn't his armour already cracked before the bomb went off? I suppose you can scale DCAU Supes to galaxy level considering how much he damaged the armour.

qwertyuiop1998
Originally posted by Test123
In terms of it being an attack that can BFR someone across the multiverse I'd agree. I'm just contested as to whether or not this was done via raw power or a special ability (vibrating). Otherwise he wouldn't need vibrational energy, he can just punch him.

The Wally instance is kind of similar, except we don't know if he was moving at LS, so it may not be an IMP, or if he was vibrating through the armour and causing it to blow up that way.

As for the SCW Anti-Monitor, wasn't his armour already cracked before the bomb went off? I suppose you can scale DCAU Supes to galaxy level considering how much he damaged the armour.
Or because his vibrational energy boosts his punches.

What I'm saying is I don't think it's as cut-and-dry as you seemingly making it to be. I think it is open to interpretations and it is good feat for Flash's side however you look at it

abhilegend
Originally posted by Test123
Didn't Justice Lords Superman do more damage than the thousands of IMPs Flash landed on AM? What's that Superman's best feat anyways?



Let me guess, comicvine?

qwertyuiop1998
And apparently Flash's vibrating only services as universe-traveling.....Wait a minute

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https://ibb.co/YBJ31S2

abhilegend
Comicvine posters have a pathological need to lowball every feat by dc characters. It's hilarious.

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
And apparently Flash's vibrating only services as universe-traveling.....Wait a minute

https://ibb.co/c8ZL2Nt
https://ibb.co/YBJ31S2

Flash would totally vibrate Superman's skeleton out of his body, instantly killing him thumb up

StiltmanFTW
PS.

KMC Canon Fact #3064

In the People's Republic of China, Qwerty is celebrating his own version of Christmas right now, killing dozens of dirty Westerners, having them impaled on pikes for his pleasure.

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Old Man Whirly!
Originally posted by Test123
In terms of it being an attack that can BFR someone across the multiverse I'd agree. I'm just contested as to whether or not this was done via raw power or a special ability (vibrating). Otherwise he wouldn't need vibrational energy, he can just punch him.

The Wally instance is kind of similar, except we don't know if he was moving at LS, so it may not be an IMP, or if he was vibrating through the armour and causing it to blow up that way.

As for the SCW Anti-Monitor, wasn't his armour already cracked before the bomb went off? I suppose you can scale DCAU Supes to galaxy level considering how much he damaged the armour. Hello, who were you on here previously?

qwertyuiop1998
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Flash would totally vibrate Superman's skeleton out of his body, instantly killing him thumb up
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stick out tongue

playa1258
The only DC character Comicvine likes is MMH.

Test123
Originally posted by abhilegend
Comicvine posters have a pathological need to lowball every feat by dc characters. It's hilarious.
Not trying to lowball, just wondering if it's the damage itself or the vibrations, and even then it was Justice Lords Superman doing more damage with one strike.

In my opinion Wally's Chain Lightning feat was better, he outperformed all those other heroes and destroyed the entire armour.

Test123
Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Hello, who were you on here previously? This is my first account.

MrMind
Sure test123 sounds legit

Test123
Originally posted by MrMind
Sure test123 sounds legit Yeah I made this up quickly to comment on one of the threads, I've browsed this site before but never actually used it to post.

MrMind
Well merry Christmas new guy

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
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https://i.ibb.co/6gR0MxX/41.jpg
stick out tongue

...

Wow.

Great find thumb up

abhilegend
Originally posted by Test123
Not trying to lowball, just wondering if it's the damage itself or the vibrations, and even then it was Justice Lords Superman doing more damage with one strike.

In my opinion Wally's Chain Lightning feat was better, he outperformed all those other heroes and destroyed the entire armour.
Of course not, we totally believe you. Also that's not Justice Lord Superman, it's Batman Bryo Superman.

Test123
Originally posted by abhilegend
Of course not, we totally believe you. Also that's not Justice Lord Superman, it's Batman Bryo Superman. Aren't they both from the DCAU? At least that's what the wiki lists that Superman as.

DarkSaint85
Not sure why Superman doing better means anything.

abhilegend
Originally posted by Test123
Aren't they both from the DCAU? At least that's what the wiki lists that Superman as.
It matters little. Do this kind of lowballing on comicvine, not here. Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Not sure why Superman doing better means anything.
Well duh, Superman can't be that strong so it automatically invalidates everything.

Test123
Well it's in regards to scaling, Barry is landing thousands of punches IMPs backed with vibrational energy, but one punch from Superman does more damage? Doesn't that kind of look bad for Barry?

And how hard does that Superman hit anyways? DCAU doesn't seem to be as good as Prime Earth versions.

Test123
Smh, apparently trying to analyze any kind of feat is considered lowballing now.

qwertyuiop1998
Yeah, but on the other hand. AM's armour also historically tanked many high level attacks( Pre-crisis heroes attacks, and SCW etc)

And IMPs also has history such as koed corrupted Nix Uotan with just fifteen hits in Multiversity

Here AM tanked thousands of it without scratch......

So you can also say this is Beyond Superman's high feat to indicate his powers.

Test123
So is this a case of AM jobbing or a high end for Barry? Kind of like when Tryant got impaled by Surfer's board, even though many other characters have tanked getting hit by his board before with little to no damage, do they now scale over Tyrant's durability or does Tyrant just suck now?

abhilegend
Originally posted by Test123
Well it's in regards to scaling, Barry is landing thousands of punches IMPs backed with vibrational energy, but one punch from Superman does more damage? Doesn't that kind of look bad for Barry?

No, it is a great feat for Superman.

Harder than thousands of IMPs as shown in the issue.

abhilegend
Originally posted by Test123
So is this a case of AM jobbing or a high end for Barry? Kind of like when Tryant got impaled by Surfer's board, even though many other characters have tanked getting hit by his board before with little to no damage, do they now scale over Tyrant's durability or does Tyrant just suck now?
laughing out loud

qwertyuiop1998
Originally posted by Test123
So is this a case of AM jobbing or a high end for Barry? Kind of like when Tryant got impaled by Surfer's board, even though many other characters have tanked getting hit by his board before with little to no damage, do they now scale over Tyrant's durability or does Tyrant just suck now?
Or just a high end showing for Beyond Superman.

Since in the same comic Barry did state the IMPs he throws can easily deform space-time and it's the mightiest punches in the Multiverse. AM's armor tanked it without any issue.

I mean, it's not uncommon characters suddenly get a very high showing in comics.
For example
Supergirl almost defeats AM in COIE, despite in the same story, AM stalemates Monitor who was powered up by the entire Multiverse
Or just recently, the supposedly weak DCAU characters get multiversal feats. Green Lantern shields a Multiverse destroying attack and later Flash helps to shield it by creating a vibrational field(duh) in Justice League Infinity 7
etc

All in all, this feat certainly looks good for Barry IMO. He throws thousands of IMPs and ragdolls AM momentarily.
Whether Beyond Superman outperforms him or not I don't think disqualify the feat, on the contrary, it actually makes him look good( one punch from him outperforms thousands of IMPs that can casually deform space-time and these 'most powerful punches in the Multiverse' ragdoll AM momentarily) IMO.

ODG
^ The entire team was wrecking Anti-Monitor's armor. Bat Lantern tore through his shoulder plate. What did Beyond Superman do amongst the team that merits him standing out from them, let alone Barry?

We going to pretend Barry didn't weaken this Anti-Monitor before the team collectively dogpiled him?

Test123
Deforming space time isn't exactly quantifiable, and he calls them the mightiest punches yet gets outperformed by other heroes? Sounds like hyperbole, or it just means the punches aren't that mighty.

abhilegend
Originally posted by Test123
Deforming space time isn't exactly quantifiable, and he calls them the mightiest punches yet gets outperformed by other heroes? Sounds like hyperbole, or it just means the punches aren't that mighty.
Deforming space time with infinite mass is definitely quantifiable.

qwertyuiop1998
Originally posted by ODG
^ The entire team was wrecking Anti-Monitor's armor. Bat Lantern tore through his shoulder plate. What did Beyond Superman do amongst the team that merits him standing out from them, let alone Barry?

We going to pretend Barry didn't weaken this Anti-Monitor before the team collectively dogpiled him?
Cool. We both agree Beyond Superman has done damage to AM means little to Barry's feat

Originally posted by Test123
Deforming space time isn't exactly quantifiable, and he calls them the mightiest punches yet gets outperformed by other heroes? Sounds like hyperbole, or it just means the punches aren't that mighty.
Ok, so Beyond Superman's one punch was far more powerful than thousands of IMPs that capable of deforming space-time and ragdolling temporarily AM

Or because Barry thought its the mightiest punch based on what he knew(which is a lot)
Or it means Beyond Superman just that powerful

Of course, if we want to use context in this story, Barry was going to against AM, whom he definitely wanted to punch as hard as possible, hence he pulled IMPs
And by your logic, we can judge how powerful the IMPs were based on its history

Wally one-shots a white martian who he stated to be Superman-level durability, with just *one* IMP. And Barry's punches should be at least that powerful since he wanted to punch AM
https://ibb.co/jHVQy90
https://ibb.co/zbNMRvZ
https://ibb.co/tYqr0Mn

We also have Red Racer and a bunch of Flashes one-shot corrupted Nix Uotan, with only fifteen IMPs
https://ibb.co/5nRPGzq
https://ibb.co/zhKSjxy

And don't forget Barry also temporarily ragdolls AM, while a lot of pre-crisis heroes' attacks were completely useless against AM
https://ibb.co/jLHyW4T

Diesldude

qwertyuiop1998

qwertyuiop1998
So to summarize my point

I don't think Beyond Superman has done damage to the AM means much to Barry's feat

Because whether you just go by this specific comic, Barry knocks AM across the Multiverse and AM can't find his bearings with punches that capable of casually deforming space-time

Or go by history. The IMPs has history that shows how powerful they are. AM has history to show how durable and powerful he is.

So you chalk it up to PIS for Beyond Superman damaging AM or Barry weakened AM so others can hurt him later or Beyond Superman just that powerful or whatever really don't affect Barry's feat

Test123
Originally posted by abhilegend
Deforming space time with infinite mass is definitely quantifiable.

Barry said "near" infinite mass, and how is it quantifiable? What level is it supposed to be?

MrMind
Originally posted by Test123
Barry said "near" infinite mass, and how is it quantifiable? What level is it supposed to be?

above marvel team in this thread level

abhilegend
Originally posted by Test123
Barry said "near" infinite mass, and how is it quantifiable? What level is it supposed to be?
It takes black hole level mass/gravity to start deforming space time.

ODG

qwertyuiop1998

ODG
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
I didn't reply to you actually. The whole discussion begun with Beyond Superman damaging AM's armor, hence Barry's feat isn't that impressive

So I argue that you interpret the Beyond Superman case as PIS, or Barry weakened AM so others can hurt him later or Beyond Superman just that powerful or whatever really don't affect Barry's feat I see. But why is Beyond Superman's punch more notable than Bat Lantern's slice??? Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
And for the feat that Barry tanked the blasts of AM, I also mentioned before

Also this scan I posted it's after the Dawn of Time fight, I thought AM isn't at his peak anymore since if he was, he would again traveled to the Dawn of Time and changed history, no? Whether one would believe SW Anti-Monitor or Mobius Anti-Monitor was weaker, his anti-matter blasts have historically one-shot killed most everybody. So Barry tanking several was baffling.

But I just re-read some of the fight, others on the team tanked anti-matter blasts too and were still in the fight. So this version of Anti-Monitor definitely ain't at his peak.

qwertyuiop1998
Originally posted by ODG
I see. But why is Beyond Superman's punch more notable than Bat Lantern's slice??? Whether one would believe SW Anti-Monitor or Mobius Anti-Monitor was weaker, his anti-matter blasts have historically one-shot killed most everybody. So Barry tanking several was baffling.

But I just re-read some of the fight, others on the team tanked anti-matter blasts too and were still in the fight. So this version of Anti-Monitor definitely ain't at his peak.
Don't know "shrugs"

I presume you're speaking about his character portray not in-universe point when talking about his peak?
Because from what I know, he was Monitor(whom powered by the entire Multiverse)'s equal in his base form, and his blast also seems pretty equal to Monitor's
Originally posted by Galan007
COIE AM was already equal to a multiversal power BEFORE he even began destroying the mainstream multiverse...


Remember, the original Monitor was linked to, and powered by, ALL positive matter universes throughout the infinite pre-crisis multiverse. That's why he became increasingly weaker with each positive matter universe that AM destroyed:
http://i.imgur.com/cLDnHs7m.jpg


Despite the fact that Monitor possessed FULLY multiversal power, Anti-Monitor...at his absolute WEAKEST levels, mind you...was still his EQUAL:
http://i.imgur.com/lj11e3vm.jpg
"And so they began a war which lasted one million years. A war waged with equal power. A war in which there could be no victor..."


Although I feel we're just splitting hairs at this point, since we basically agree in most the main points.

ODG
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Don't know "shrugs" By the time Anti-Monitor was BFRed his armor was completely f'ed up. So I still don't understand why Beyond Superman was anymore exceptional than the rest of the team when the others on the team were wrecking his armor also. Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
I presume you're speaking about his character portray not in-universe point when talking about his peak?
Because from what I know, he was Monitor(whom powered by the entire Multiverse)'s equal in his base form, and his blast also seems pretty equal to Monitor's

Although I feel we're just splitting hairs at this point, since we basically agree in most the main points. Again, I caution conflating history with present.

Given that neither SC-era Anti-Monitor nor Mobius-era Anti-Monitor were at multiversal levels, the suggestion that this post-Dark Crisis Anti-Monitor was at multiversal levels is fallacy.

Fair enough.

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