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Nastiest versions of both determined to kill the other, who takes this?

neither of them are nastier than me

Originally posted by lawest9
Nastiest versions of both determined to kill the other, who takes this?

Nastiest would be drunk Superman wrecker.


People will say Superman was mind controlled by Eradicator, but this actually works in Lobo's favor as Eradicator made Superman more brutal, and less restrained against hurting people.

This is true.

"There goes Big Nasty" they whisper, as Mr Mind swaggers past. "He's the pervert Stiltman prays to"

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
This is true.

"There goes Big Nasty" they whisper, as Mr Mind swaggers past. "He's the pervert Stiltman prays to"

Originally posted by cdtm
Nastiest would be drunk Superman wrecker.


People will say Superman was mind controlled by Eradicator, but this actually works in Lobo's favor as Eradicator made Superman more brutal, and less restrained against hurting people.

Did you even read the comic? Eradicator had a negative impact. Lobo said Superman fights like a butler, Superman said said he can't out brawl Lobo but even Bibbo could outsmart Lobo, Superman said science must preval over Lobo's barbarism, and when he outsmarted Lobo, celebrated that science prevailed.

So instead of trying to out face punch Lobo, Eradicator made him out science Lobo. The same writer had Superman do far better without Eradicator's influence later on.

Strange considering Lobo has great science and tech feats.

Certainly more than Black Adam and the Wisdom of Zehuti.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Strange considering Lobo has great science and tech feats.

Certainly more than Black Adam and the Wisdom of Zehuti.

Reasonably sure that came later.

Originally posted by Delta1938
Did you even read the comic? Eradicator had a negative impact. Lobo said Superman fights like a butler, Superman said said he can't out brawl Lobo but even Bibbo could outsmart Lobo, Superman said science must preval over Lobo's barbarism, and when he outsmarted Lobo, celebrated that science prevailed.

So instead of trying to out face punch Lobo, Eradicator made him out science Lobo. The same writer had Superman do far better without Eradicator's influence later on.


I read the whole era, and the Eradicator story more then most. He fought fine:

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Ga7UfrBNlEg/XJXiWK7SjJI/AAAAAAAAL9U/X-HfUdZaRoE7YBy4Vj0dfvTCG5SdK18MgCLcBGAs/s1600/war2019-0322f.jpg

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-fSRBZ7FZpbM/UbZpOrZRjJI/AAAAAAAABf4/dMJHon5JuAc/s1600/adventuresofsuperman464+(2).jpg

https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-77bd0f342dc62238515366745c8340ef-pjlq

Lobo was drunk and bragging it up,.as drunks do. Superman near crippled regular people, almost murdered Draaga:


https://babblingsaboutdccomics4.files.wordpress.com/2015/07/advs_465_001.png


Bottom line, Superman in his right mind would have gotten handled by this version of Lobo just as easily, because as you can see Eradicator did not make him hold back one bit. It made him blood lusted.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Strange considering Lobo has great science and tech feats.

Certainly more than Black Adam and the Wisdom of Zehuti.


Remember, he was drunk!


And all he really did was set a Kryptonian battle suit on auto pilot, pretended to be in it, and let Lobo think he completed his hit by blowing it up.

Originally posted by cdtm
I read the whole era, and the Eradicator story more then most. He fought fine:

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Ga7UfrBNlEg/XJXiWK7SjJI/AAAAAAAAL9U/X-HfUdZaRoE7YBy4Vj0dfvTCG5SdK18MgCLcBGAs/s1600/war2019-0322f.jpg

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-fSRBZ7FZpbM/UbZpOrZRjJI/AAAAAAAABf4/dMJHon5JuAc/s1600/adventuresofsuperman464+(2).jpg

https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-77bd0f342dc62238515366745c8340ef-pjlq

Lobo was drunk and bragging it up,.as drunks do. Superman near crippled regular people, almost murdered Draaga:


https://babblingsaboutdccomics4.files.wordpress.com/2015/07/advs_465_001.png


Bottom line, Superman in his right mind would have gotten handled by this version of Lobo just as easily, because as you can see Eradicator did not make him hold back one bit. It made him blood lusted.

You're not only ignoring the comic, you're failing to understand that cold and brutal don't actually mean you can fight. For example, if you're cruel and brutal to puppies and kittens and kick them around, that won't mean shit that you're cold and brutal to them when I come and beat the f uck out if you because I know how to fight.

Here Lobo actually comments on Superman fighting poorly saying he fights like a butler.

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/0kWbM10D8Y6QGtbSJ508h-1-OlXMZqDbu_3-TWQkwm6-hsA4nGXzCwO11kN9LUdIWCIyTVL2JqMo=s1600

Superman says he can't out brawl Lobo, but even Bibbo could outsmart him.

The scan you posted, the full page where he talks about having weapons, he says he can't out brawl Lobo but even Bibbo cam outsmart him. Here, first panel.

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/6D4m_tHMTJxwcWw5-C8B2pu5OENacfTwDzZSU2l6w-Tzv4vGCNn2fN5AYy_1unLbP3x-h4dyQP-I=s1600

When I pointed out Superman said science must prevail over Lobo's barbarism? He also says it's the Kryptonian way.

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/ f8C0ZIgNkJpdlQ1mW6u00EtZcAYARgNLThqt_lM34QHCGMjIdJ
l5usFW4gEEM10njCwo__WgLQ3y=s1600

Or this--

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/V0BYdkr5kk5V04n-fRXTWj2VYCbjK2fzHnzzDOPJnS4k8qgHHvFYsJ-Pao5N_YB6CUb7CGObBy1j=s1600

"--and SCIENCE--has once again triumphed over raw, brute force." "As inebriated as Lobo was, it was easy to conclude that trickery might prove more effective than fighting."

So Superman keeps talking about out science-ing Lobo, instead of out face punching Lobo. And yet the same writer had Superman do better face punching a sober Lobo, at least twice, when not influenced by the Eradicator.

So no, your argument doesn't hold water. Your argument about Draaga is also invalid as Superman was already his superior. He had already beaten Draaga, no Eradicator influence I recall, while weakened from solar energy deprivation on Warworld. Hence my analogy about you kicking puppies and kittens around. It doesn't matter how much better a fight a puppy or kitten is than you when you can toss them across the room. That's why I have to kick your ass for them, I can fight better than you AND you can't throw me across the room, you cold and brutal ass hole. sneer

Originally posted by Delta1938
You're not only ignoring the comic, you're failing to understand that cold and brutal don't actually mean you can fight. For example, if you're cruel and brutal to puppies and kittens and kick them around, that won't mean shit that you're cold and brutal to them when I come and beat the f uck out if you because I know how to fight.

Here Lobo actually comments on Superman fighting poorly saying he fights like a butler.

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/0kWbM10D8Y6QGtbSJ508h-1-OlXMZqDbu_3-TWQkwm6-hsA4nGXzCwO11kN9LUdIWCIyTVL2JqMo=s1600

Superman says he can't out brawl Lobo, but even Bibbo could outsmart him.

The scan you posted, the full page where he talks about having weapons, he says he can't out brawl Lobo but even Bibbo cam outsmart him. Here, first panel.

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/6D4m_tHMTJxwcWw5-C8B2pu5OENacfTwDzZSU2l6w-Tzv4vGCNn2fN5AYy_1unLbP3x-h4dyQP-I=s1600

When I pointed out Superman said science must prevail over Lobo's barbarism? He also says it's the Kryptonian way.

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/ f8C0ZIgNkJpdlQ1mW6u00EtZcAYARgNLThqt_lM34QHCGMjIdJ
l5usFW4gEEM10njCwo__WgLQ3y=s1600

Or this--

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/V0BYdkr5kk5V04n-fRXTWj2VYCbjK2fzHnzzDOPJnS4k8qgHHvFYsJ-Pao5N_YB6CUb7CGObBy1j=s1600

"--and SCIENCE--has once again triumphed over raw, brute force." "As inebriated as Lobo was, it was easy to conclude that trickery might prove more effective than fighting."

So Superman keeps talking about out science-ing Lobo, instead of out face punching Lobo. And yet the same writer had Superman do better face punching a sober Lobo, at least twice, when not influenced by the Eradicator.

So no, your argument doesn't hold water. Your argument about Draaga is also invalid as Superman was already his superior. He had already beaten Draaga, no Eradicator influence I recall, while weakened from solar energy deprivation on Warworld. Hence my analogy about you kicking puppies and kittens around. It doesn't matter how much better a fight a puppy or kitten is than you when you can toss them across the room. That's why I have to kick your ass for them, I can fight better than you AND you can't throw me across the room, you cold and brutal ass hole. sneer


I literally just showed scans of Superman fighting him. The first thing Superman does is this:

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-cC2A9caJfJE/UbZoqzUU09I/AAAAAAAABfo/IYPMQ9jFHLs/s640/adventuresofsuperman464.jpg

Does he look like he's holding back as he flies straight into the sky, slams him through the floor, hits him after slamming him, then uses heat vision on him?

What, you think he was holding back? Pulling his punches? More to the point, what would a non Eradicator Superman have done better?

Lobo's a brawler. He out brawled Captain Marvel and Guy Gardner. Big Barda, a warriors warrior, had to bfr him.

And Superman specifically failed to impress Lobo in their rematch:

https://i.pinimg.com/564x/e5/84/08/e584088deb45ae8d4e1532e8e7018b47--junior-funny-humor.jpg


Superman, without any of the pesky Eradicator brainwashing holding him back, still needed to outsmart Lobo. In the pages of L.E.G.I.O.N. 90, when it was Lobo who was mind controlled by Brainiac (Since you argue all mind control is a detriment), Superman still needed to use trickery just to keep him off him.

Also not sure why this is the nastiest version of Lobo.

Originally posted by cdtm
Bottom line, Superman in his right mind would have gotten handled by this version of Lobo just as easily, because as you can see Eradicator did not make him hold back one bit. It made him blood lusted. although as somebody just pointed out...
Originally posted by cdtm
Bloodlust against an experienced warrior and casual killer can work against you though. Makes you predictable.

Originally posted by cdtm
I literally just showed scans of Superman fighting him. The first thing Superman does is this:

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-cC2A9caJfJE/UbZoqzUU09I/AAAAAAAABfo/IYPMQ9jFHLs/s640/adventuresofsuperman464.jpg

Does he look like he's holding back as he flies straight into the sky, slams him through the floor, hits him after slamming him, then uses heat vision on him?

What, you think he was holding back? Pulling his punches? More to the point, what would a non Eradicator Superman have done better?

Lobo's a brawler. He out brawled Captain Marvel and Guy Gardner. Big Barda, a warriors warrior, had to bfr him.

And Superman specifically failed to impress Lobo in their rematch:

https://i.pinimg.com/564x/e5/84/08/e584088deb45ae8d4e1532e8e7018b47--junior-funny-humor.jpg


Superman, without any of the pesky Eradicator brainwashing holding him back, still needed to outsmart Lobo. In the pages of L.E.G.I.O.N. 90, when it was Lobo who was mind controlled by Brainiac (Since you argue all mind control is a detriment), Superman still needed to use trickery just to keep him off him.

Are you even reading what I'm saying? I guess you've only fought puppies and kittens because you don't realize just because you can bully them around doesn't mean you'll win a fight when not holding back against an actual person.

They specifically emphasized that Superman was fighting poorly. I don't know if you're making a strawman or just genuinely not understanding what I said. Fighting poorly and holding back are NOT the same thing.

Superman failed to impress Lobo? Nice cropping the scan to not show what happens next.

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/UaxhDdpAYcPoFCvaNJzj- geAYLS7113DvsnAMFwyNwGpWfrlXVXbnozQw9zpj6JUEJNmP0a
IUNjD=s1600

Now as to your argument about fighting a mind controlled Lobo in L.E.G.I.O.N., I don't remember all the details but you left out Lobo wasn't mind controlled the entire time, Superman noted this. I don't know if they made it clear how long, Lobo fought anyways even without the mind control. I don't remember the issue number so would have to dig to check. Anyways not only that, but you're making a false equivalency. I pointed out it was explicitly mentioned Superman was fighting poorly, and Superman said he can't out brawl Lobo and has to out science Lobo. And that this is the Kryptonian way. Which is the influence Eradicator had. The very same writer had Superman do far better without that influence, hence your false equivalency on the issue of L.E.G.I.O.N., which I'd have to check.

Originally posted by Smurph
although as somebody just pointed out...

On top of it his argument about Superman nearly killing Draaga in this state is irrelevant, Superman without Eradicator influence but weakened had already defeated Draaga on Warworld. So him being brutal and cold and full powered somehow means he was more effective because he nearly killed someone he previously beat while weakened.

Originally posted by Smurph
although as somebody just pointed out...

And I stand by that. Eradicated Superman was far more aggressive, but also less flexible.


However, against Lobo, it's disingenuous to argue his brainwashing was an impediment when the topic is "beating Lobo down", and we have on panel proof of Superman trying, and failing, to beat Lobo down.

This was part for early 90's Lobo. Captain Marvel and even Despero could not "Beat Lobo down". He simply soaked up any damage coming his way, without a stagger or stun effect, and never seemed to wear down much.


Except against Vril Dox, ironically.


Black Adam is good, but not better then Despero. If Despero can one shot herald levelers yet only get a "not bad" from Lobo, Adam isn't beating him up.

Originally posted by cdtm
And I stand by that. Eradicated Superman was far more aggressive, but also less flexible.


However, against Lobo, it's disingenuous to argue his brainwashing was an impediment when the topic is "beating Lobo down", and we have on panel proof of Superman trying, and failing, to beat Lobo down.

This was part for early 90's Lobo. Captain Marvel and even Despero could not "Beat Lobo down". He simply soaked up any damage coming his way, without a stagger or stun effect, and never seemed to wear down much.


Except against Vril Dox, ironically.


Black Adam is good, but not better then Despero. If Despero can one shot herald levelers yet only get a "not bad" from Lobo, Adam isn't beating him up.

Oh, and Eclipsed Superman.


Which happened, but is contradictory with his other showings.

Superman vs Lobo doesn't looks good for Lobo anytime after Adventures of Superman 464.Originally posted by cdtm
Oh, and Eclipsed Superman.


Which happened, but is contradictory with his other showings.
Nowadays it's not even a fight.

https://i.postimg.cc/SjSh3PcL/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/9zLhhBB6/image.jpg

Originally posted by cdtm
Oh, and Eclipsed Superman.


Which happened, but is contradictory with his other showings.
Superman destroys Lobo pretty much every other time they fight other than AOS 464 which may not be even canon at this point.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman destroys Lobo pretty much every other time they fight other than AOS 464 which may not be even canon at this point.

Post Kryptonite X amp.

And even with the amp, Lobo was still fully conscious and monologuing when knocked into that space ship. Essentially Lobo was downgraded later on.

It's not only Superman, in general Lobo seemed able to tank everything and anything without any damage at all, Captain Marvel, Guy Gardner, Despero, Mon-El, anyone.

That all changed later, when he got a healing factor but was also being staggered by Batman.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman destroys Lobo pretty much every other time they fight other than AOS 464 which may not be even canon at this point.

he's not gonna destroy the toon force lobo we saw with cloning in his own book though

Originally posted by cdtm
And I stand by that. Eradicated Superman was far more aggressive, but also less flexible.


However, against Lobo, it's disingenuous to argue his brainwashing was an impediment when the topic is "beating Lobo down", and we have on panel proof of Superman trying, and failing, to beat Lobo down.

This was part for early 90's Lobo. Captain Marvel and even Despero could not "Beat Lobo down". He simply soaked up any damage coming his way, without a stagger or stun effect, and never seemed to wear down much.


Except against Vril Dox, ironically.


Black Adam is good, but not better then Despero. If Despero can one shot herald levelers yet only get a "not bad" from Lobo, Adam isn't beating him up.

It doesn't matter what you stand by. The same writers who had drunk Lobo perform so well explicitly highlighted the lack of fighting ability on Superman's part and "science must prevail over barbarism." And literally called it the Kryptonian way. Then had the same Superman do better including the double KO when there was no Eradicator influence.

What's actually disingenuous is putting words in my mouth, or bringing up an unrelated mind control example just to avoid acknowledging my points. In fact, if you're going to argue Lobo was handicapped there, please show me. I remember Superman not even noticing Lobo was out of mind control when it happened. If so, how is that handicapping him if it had no noticeable effect? That's an important distinction. The fight you want to say Superman should have fought better has evidence that proves you wrong, while Superman not even noticing Lobo was out of mind control not hurts your argument Lobo was handicapped.

Originally posted by cdtm
Oh, and Eclipsed Superman.


Which happened, but is contradictory with his other showings.

Or it's more indicative of Superman in the mind set you're arguing he was under Eradicator? He beat the shit out of Lobo TWICE. I assume you're not going to argue the Superman was amped thing people use to try and discredit.

Originally posted by Delta1938
It doesn't matter what you stand by. The same writers who had drunk Lobo perform so well explicitly highlighted the lack of fighting ability on Superman's part and "science must prevail over barbarism." And literally called it the Kryptonian way. Then had the same Superman do better including the double KO when there was no Eradicator influence.

What's actually disingenuous is putting words in my mouth, or bringing up an unrelated mind control example just to avoid acknowledging my points. In fact, if you're going to argue Lobo was handicapped there, please show me. I remember Superman not even noticing Lobo was out of mind control when it happened. If so, how is that handicapping him if it had no noticeable effect? That's an important distinction. The fight you want to say Superman should have fought better has evidence that proves you wrong, while Superman not even noticing Lobo was out of mind control not hurts your argument Lobo was handicapped.



Or it's more indicative of Superman in the mind set you're arguing he was under Eradicator? He beat the shit out of Lobo TWICE. I assume you're not going to argue the Superman was amped thing people use to try and discredit.


I was setting up a counter example of Superman vs Lobo without the Eradicator influence.

The truth is, arguing against Lobo being brainwashed helps my case.

Without brainwashing being a factor, we're left with Lobo and Superman. And the fact is, in both L.E.G.I.O.N. 90 Annual 1 and Action Comics Annual 2, Superman was hitting Lobo, and failing to really cause much damage.


And THAT is exactly why I argue the Eclipsed Superman fight is the outlier. It's that one, against three other examples of them fighting pre-Return of Superman. In all three cases, Lobo had the upper hand in straight 1 vs 1, with Superman needing to use his head.




All of this gets us away from the core point: Lobo should take Black Adam.


Even if I gave up the point on Superman, that still leaves many other examples to choose from. Despero is one of the most solid, as it was written by Keith Giffen himself, who created Lobo. (Come to think of it, didn't Giffen write L.E.G.I.O.N.? So Keith himself agrees Lobo > early 90's Superman).

Originally posted by cdtm
I was setting up a counter example of Superman vs Lobo without the Eradicator influence.

The truth is, arguing against Lobo being brainwashed helps my case.

Without brainwashing being a factor, we're left with Lobo and Superman. And the fact is, in both L.E.G.I.O.N. 90 Annual 1 and Action Comics Annual 2, Superman was hitting Lobo, and failing to really cause much damage.


And THAT is exactly why I argue the Eclipsed Superman fight is the outlier. It's that one, against three other examples of them fighting pre-Return of Superman. In all three cases, Lobo had the upper hand in straight 1 vs 1, with Superman needing to use his head.




All of this gets us away from the core point: Lobo should take Black Adam.


Even if I gave up the point on Superman, that still leaves many other examples to choose from. Despero is one of the most solid, as it was written by Keith Giffen himself, who created Lobo. (Come to think of it, didn't Giffen write L.E.G.I.O.N.? So Keith himself agrees Lobo > early 90's Superman).

But you're wrong on Eradicator influence being a benefit to Superman. If it were they wouldn't have put so much onto Superman fighting poorly and he must out science Lobo instead of out facepunch. Kryptonians of that era were cold and logical, not bloodlusted barbarians.

How does arguing against Lobo being brainwashed help him in this? It's irrelevant unless he's going against atelepathy. Which he isn't against Superman unless you count Torquasm-Vo. Or Black Adam.

And at the least Lobo had no noticeable effect on his fighting since Superman couldn't tell the difference between him mind controlled or not. But he could against Lar.

https://bit.ly/3rFMEMD

But was surprised when he saw everyone else was broken from mind control, assumed Lobo still was under control, and why he was still under control.

https://bit.ly/3T9GekI

So it didn't hinder Lobo, or if it did, wasn't noticeable. But between that and Brainiac having to stop him from attacking Vrill II, maybe he wasn't even under control.

https://bit.ly/3rFMS6r

https://bit.ly/3ysaSOe

Though there is the possibility Lobo wasn't directly controlled. Brainiac did claim they weren't controlled("--not my slaves--", but he "--released their true, innermost feelings--!" about Vril junior.

https://bit.ly/3CJOVww

Superman noting how Lar is does contradict it, but it could be that's what Brainiac did initially, then when Superman showed up, took actual control, but perhaps not Lobo because he knew Lobo wanted to fight anyway. Regardless, the evidence doesn't support Lobo being handicapped since Superman didn't notice a difference. Whether Lobo doesn't fight in a manner it makes a noticeable difference, he resisted the control, or wasn't under puppet like control doesn't matter.

And nope, drunk Lobo is the outlier. Did you forget about Superman knocking out Lobo and Lar simultaneously?

https://bit.ly/3rIvDRT

https://bit.ly/3ROKSTS

And you claim Lobo has only been dropped twice, once by Eclipsed Superman, once by Vril? In addition to the fight against Lobo and Lar, Superman dropped Lobo TWICE in DARKNESS WITHIN. The super speed punching bag--

https://bit.ly/3EqUjWD

--and later after Lobo had help from the L.E.G.I.O.N., he hurt Lobo so badly Lobo was barely breathing--

https://bit.ly/3CKCUag

https://bit.ly/3T3LYfE

And yes I know the fight lasted longer, I was merely disproving your claim Lobo was only dropped twice. Also the fight you argue Lobo was mind controlled by Brainiac had Superman drop him there too. Though the rock coming back.

https://bit.ly/3fV7Onc

https://bit.ly/3Ve3L5N

Lobo recovering quickly doesn't change the fact he was dropped, when you claim he was only dropped twice. IIRC him and Entrigan simultaneously KOed each other in one of their fights. So Superman has dropped/KOed him at least 4 times, Vril once, Entrigan once(unless I'm misremembering), so at least 6 times.

And it's canon Superman, after his powers started developing, never hit anyone as hard as ge could until at the end against Doomsday in DOS.

I'm fine with not counting the Eclipso fights as him not hitting as hard as he can, as I don't recall them remembering what happened while Eclipsed, but Eradicator wasn't controlling him like a puppet, but altering his personality. So Superman did not hit Lobo as hard as he could. The best you can argue is hit harder than normal. So except maybe the Eclipsed fights, Superman has twice dropped/KOed without hitting as hard as he could. But the second Eclipsed fight he had Lobo hurt BADLY so maybe he did hit hard as he could.

The Despero fight, while impressive, I wouldn't rate as highly as some of what Adam has done.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Comparable physical stats lol.

Superman just manhandles Black Adam like he was a child lol.
https://i.postimg.cc/LYgzP8Vh/15.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/wRKDQYW2/16.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/5QwLPKTV/17.jpg



Superman is beyond pretty much every conventional hero or villain in DC at this time.

To be fair he could have meant Superman Pre-DOS since those Lobo fights are what's getting debated.

But then we could compare Superman of that era restraining Blaze to Blaze making Adam her b!tch with one hand IIRC under the same writer.

Originally posted by MrMind
he's not gonna destroy the toon force lobo we saw with cloning in his own book though

This. I thought we were using toon force Lobo (whatever that means; it's still canon right?)

Originally posted by Delta1938
To be fair he could have meant Superman Pre-DOS since those Lobo fights are what's getting debated.

But then we could compare Superman of that era restraining Blaze to Blaze making Adam her b!tch with one hand IIRC under the same writer.

Was that from the Underworld event? Only other appearance of Blaze I can think of off hand, and don't remember Adam in the event.

Also, are you thinking of Blaze or Satanus? Because Superman definitely restrained Lord Satanus, even seemed to cause him pain.

Originally posted by cdtm
Was that from the Underworld event? Only other appearance of Blaze I can think of off hand, and don't remember Adam in the event.

Also, are you thinking of Blaze or Satanus? Because Superman definitely restrained Lord Satanus, even seemed to cause him pain.

It was Billy's series tying into UNDERWORLD UNLEASHED, it was Adam. And I am thinking of Blaze. Superman restrained her in a dimension he was being drained in while Satanus did a spell or something to produce an energy blast that looked to disintegrate her IIRC. While Superman was still restraining her. So he took some of the blast while weakened. Anyway I think but am not 100% sure it was under the same writer as POWER OF SHAZAM!.

Originally posted by Delta1938
It was Billy's series tying into UNDERWORLD UNLEASHED, it was Adam. And I am thinking of Blaze. Superman restrained her in a dimension he was being drained in while Satanus did a spell or something to produce an energy blast that looked to disintegrate her IIRC. While Superman was still restraining her. So he took some of the blast while weakened. Anyway I think but am not 100% sure it was under the same writer as POWER OF SHAZAM!.

Didn't like the event tbh. I never could figure out Neron's power level, one moment he's repelling The Spectre under Ostrander, the next he's being knocked around by Alan Scott and Kyle Raynor.

I'd imagine Lobo at his best could at least stalemate him.

Black Adam is comparable to Superman physically, so I would give him the edge here.

hohoho

He really does try, bless him.

Originally posted by carver9
Black Adam is comparable to Superman physically, so I would give him the edge here.

Are we having the BZ or not?

Originally posted by carver9
Black Adam is comparable to Superman physically, so I would give him the edge here.

Originally posted by cdtm
Didn't like the event tbh. I never could figure out Neron's power level, one moment he's repelling The Spectre under Ostrander, the next he's being knocked around by Alan Scott and Kyle Raynor.

I'd imagine Lobo at his best could at least stalemate him.

What does any of this have to do with anything? And what about Lobo? I assume you mean at the least stalemate Adam but the way you transitioned to that makes it look like you mean Neron. Also I think you spelled Kyle's name wrong.

Originally posted by Delta1938
What does any of this have to do with anything? And what about Lobo? I assume you mean at the least stalemate Adam but the way you transitioned to that makes it look like you mean Neron. Also I think you spelled Kyle's name wrong.

Nothing about the topic, was just an aside.

The Adam vs Exodus thread is actually showing some good reasons on why Lobo should win though.

Originally posted by cdtm
Nothing about the topic, was just an aside.

The Adam vs Exodus thread is actually showing some good reasons on why Lobo should win though.

Because pitting him against a character with a completely different power set means what?

Lobo TPs Adam ftw

Originally posted by Delta1938
Because pitting him against a character with a completely different power set means what?

Talking about the scans showing Superman handling Adam easier then he normally handles Lobo.

You know, the scans on page 2 of this thread, and not the Exodus one.

Misremembering again.

Originally posted by cdtm
Talking about the scans showing Superman handling Adam easier then he normally handles Lobo.

You mean the recent scans of a Superman far more powerful than the in the Lobo fight you cream your pants to is relevant because....?

Originally posted by cdtm
You know, the scans on page 2 of this thread, and not the Exodus one.

Misremembering again.



I don't think it's just your memory that's the problem.

Originally posted by Delta1938
You mean the recent scans of a Superman far more powerful than the in the Lobo fight you cream your pants to is relevant because....?





I don't think it's just your memory that's the problem.

Ok then, how about when Lobo fought Captain Marvel? Cap got handled, finally lost his temper enough to hit him as hard as he could, and Lobo said "Not bad for a goody goody", without seeming too hurt.

I can post the scans, but feeling lazy and I'd imagine you've seen them?

Cap was weakened in that instance

Lobo. Clones.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Cap was weakened in that instance

At that specific point in time? It was literally just after he fought Wonder Woman while mind controlled.

Originally posted by cdtm
Ok then, how about when Lobo fought Captain Marvel? Cap got handled, finally lost his temper enough to hit him as hard as he could, and Lobo said "Not bad for a goody goody", without seeming too hurt.

I can post the scans, but feeling lazy and I'd imagine you've seen them?

Probably have before but it's been awhile.

But what Abhi said, I remember the scan of their powers not being full. Might have been because of their gods being split.

Originally posted by Delta1938
Probably have before but it's been awhile.

But what Abhi said, I remember the scan of their powers not being full. Might have been because of their gods being split.

Lets try anorher example then:

Lar Gand/Mon El?

Especially that time in Action Comics Annual 2 when the Daxamite had a clear upper hand, contrasted against Lobo fighting him in his Valor series.

Originally posted by Delta1938
Probably have before but it's been awhile.

But what Abhi said, I remember the scan of their powers not being full. Might have been because of their gods being split.

Originally posted by abhilegend
https://s5d4.turboimg.net/sp/b9dad422f006372f0bdfacaa5f21e945/wotgcmweakness.jpg

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Is it me or is the scan blurry?

Anyway, here is the clearer version
https://ibb.co/44tg4Wk

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998


So when Adam returned to Earth.

No mention of this problem until after Cap was dragged away from his fight against Lobo.

Originally posted by cdtm
Lets try anorher example then:

Lar Gand/Mon El?

Especially that time in Action Comics Annual 2 when the Daxamite had a clear upper hand, contrasted against Lobo fighting him in his Valor series.

I haven't seen much of Lar/Lobo comparisons, but what I have showed Lar to be the stronger. Which just makes your argument for Lobo over Superman worse since a handicapped Superman so badly beat Lar, further hurting your claim Superman was going all out against Lobo, especially since we know canon wise even the Lar fight wasn't all out.

Originally posted by cdtm
So when Adam returned to Earth.

No mention of this problem until after Cap was dragged away from his fight against Lobo.

.....the scans says the Roman Olympians taking over Captain Marvel began to neutralize the spell. How did they fight before he was taken over?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lobo TPs Adam ftw

The thing is, I wouldn't be surprised if this happened in a Lobo comic.

It works because he could either use telepathy, or just toilet paper him

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It works because he could either use telepathy, or just toilet paper him

Lobo would make some line about how durable AND absorbent it is to handle him after Taco Tuesday.

Originally posted by cdtm
So when Adam returned to Earth.

No mention of this problem until after Cap was dragged away from his fight against Lobo.
Cap's powers started weakening as soon as he was mind controlled by roman gods. Learn to read.

Originally posted by cdtm
Lets try anorher example then:

Lar Gand/Mon El?

Especially that time in Action Comics Annual 2 when the Daxamite had a clear upper hand, contrasted against Lobo fighting him in his Valor series.
Superman casually thrashed Lobo in the same issue and in the next part of the crossover in LEGION annual 1.

Not to mention he beat Lar Gand till his face was mashed potatoes in Eclipso crossover.

Lobo doesn't looks good anytime against Superman after AOS 464.

Also off topic ctdm, you said you'd think about the Superman vs Martian Manhunter BZ. Just wanna know if you decided.

Originally posted by Delta1938
Also off topic ctdm, you said you'd think about the Superman vs Martian Manhunter BZ. Just wanna know if you decided.

Have a headache and this weird exhaustion at the moment. If it doesn't get better I plan on binging on cigars and alcohol.

Originally posted by cdtm
Have a headache and this weird exhaustion at the moment. If it doesn't get better I plan on binging on cigars and alcohol.

.....ok then.

Originally posted by Delta1938
.....ok then.

See, the logic is if I'm sick and drink enough maybe I'll forget I'm sick.

Originally posted by cdtm
See, the logic is if I'm sick and drink enough maybe I'll forget I'm sick.

I'm gonna take this all as "no."

Originally posted by Delta1938
I'm gonna take this all as "no."

More of a raincheck.

What are the sides again? I argue Martian Manhunter and you Weird?

Lobo speed blitz

Originally posted by carver9
Lobo speed blitz

You're just arguing against Superman by proxy, because you think Hulk beats Lobo.

I think Hulk beats everyone below skyfather 🤦🏿

Originally posted by Delta1938
Also off topic ctdm, you said you'd think about the Superman vs Martian Manhunter BZ. Just wanna know if you decided.

Wait, we're doing Superman vs MM?

Is there a time period? Can we set one?

Say, anything pre New 52?

Originally posted by cdtm
Wait, we're doing Superman vs MM?

Is there a time period? Can we set one?

Say, anything pre New 52?


Your memory really is this bad?



https://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t682007.html

Originally posted by Delta1938
So cdtm, since you have such a high opinion of Martian Manhunter, you want to BZ it after my BZ with carter? Or it's looking like after he backs down from it after accepting it and even making a thread.

Pre-FPASHPOINT obviously since that's what you argued.

We could even make it about just how much stronger Superman is. Though since you claim Superman is barely stronger, you likely think a fight favors you more given J'onn's arsenal outside the Superman style power set.

Originally posted by Delta1938
I guess nah ctdm?


Originally posted by cdtm
First off, haven't even checked in on this until now. Surprised to see a challenge, would maybe have taken it for the experience (I'd imagine even Carver could school me, since my memory is shit, never use respect threads because I feel that's plagiarizing, and never did a formal BZ before)

But now? Why? I'm in a hostile environment, you're surrounded by your buddies, there is literally nothing for me to gain by trying except heckling.


Like Saint is doing to H1 right now:

https://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=682092&pagenumber=2


Yeah, seeing Saint outright admit to "having fun with you" makes me want to put myself out there.

Originally posted by Delta1938
If you don't want to, fine, but you're making the same excuse JLB does when challenged.

Originally posted by cdtm
Yeah, I guess I am.

Truth is, I never saw Smurph and Philo hating on me so hard they want me banned. I mean, being hated for trolling, that I can take. Rando's suddenly loudly telling you're on their shit list when you can't even remember coming at them, that's just confusing.


Like, is everyone here messenger buds and saying "Hey, you see what that cdtm did over in gaming?" Are they getting pissed because I went after a friend?

Did I even do anything to really troll, because like I said my memory is absolutely shit, and I couldn't tell you what I said yesterday, let alone five months ago.




....I'll think it over though. You seem like you're being sincere, and not just setting me up..

Originally posted by Delta1938
I even messaged you, saying no biggie if you didn't want to, I just wanted confirmation if you don't want to. But you didn't open it(why I bumped this thread). My reaction is to your reason for declining, because we have to agree on the judges.

And I wouldn't know if you did something to deserve your treatment or not. I just recently came back because carter had agreed to the BZ and wanted proof of what I messaged him, and I don't check other forums, so I wouldn't see what you say there.

I have nothing to do with whatever is going on with you, DarkSaint, and other posters who don't like you. As I said, I wanted to do this after the BZ with carter, but given his lack of response in threads or PMs here AND Xbox, I have to come to the conclusion he's backing down even after he accepted the BZ challenge. Which makes this the second time, but this time I can prove it(first time was a party chat and he verbally agreed so I can't prove it, this time he made a thread for it ).

As shown in the quotes, I wasn't going to make a big deal out of it if you didn't want to, I just wanted conformation, and messaged you about it, but I never got a response, last I checked you didn't even open it. So that's why I bumped the topic. But then you, well yes you played the victim because as I said I have nothing to do with your problems with other posters, and you have to agree to judges so other posters being hostile to you shouldn't matter. This is the same excuse JLB makes because he knows I'll destroy him like that guy in the Superman costume dsstruedhis Anusara when he was 7.

So do you actually want to? If so, I'll wait just a bit longer on carter to prove me wrong that he's backing down(2 more days max), or at least be man enough to admit it, before we start getting it setup.

And Pre-FLASHPOINT is what I meant since that's the era this started from.

Originally posted by carver9
Lobo speed blitz

Puppy, are we having the BZ or not?

Originally posted by Delta1938
Your memory really is this bad?



https://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t682007.html














I have nothing to do with whatever is going on with you, DarkSaint, and other posters who don't like you. As I said, I wanted to do this after the BZ with carter, but given his lack of response in threads or PMs here AND Xbox, I have to come to the conclusion he's backing down even after he accepted the BZ challenge. Which makes this the second time, but this time I can prove it(first time was a party chat and he verbally agreed so I can't prove it, this time he made a thread for it ).

As shown in the quotes, I wasn't going to make a big deal out of it if you didn't want to, I just wanted conformation, and messaged you about it, but I never got a response, last I checked you didn't even open it. So that's why I bumped the topic. But then you, well yes you played the victim because as I said I have nothing to do with your problems with other posters, and you have to agree to judges so other posters being hostile to you shouldn't matter. This is the same excuse JLB makes because he knows I'll destroy him like that guy in the Superman costume dsstruedhis Anusara when he was 7.

So do you actually want to? If so, I'll wait just a bit longer on carter to prove me wrong that he's backing down(2 more days max), or at least be man enough to admit it, before we start getting it setup.

And Pre-FLASHPOINT is what I meant since that's the era this started from.

It's pretty bad.

Tbh that sounds like fun. Never did a BZ before, bow out of the last one because I realized I was way in over my head. But that was a group event, everyone took a character and had to argue against like 20 other characters.

How does this work?

Originally posted by cdtm
It's pretty bad.

Tbh that sounds like fun. Never did a BZ before, bow out of the last one because I realized I was way in over my head. But that was a group event, everyone took a character and had to argue against like 20 other characters.

How does this work?

Yikes.

And I myself haven't been in one but have read plenty and judged a few.

The exact details vary, but usually 1 v 1 debate, and you're gonna love this, they're usually where we are in control. So argue what we would do, not how characters normally act and fight in the comics. Obviously can't just make things up, have to back arguments with examples from the comics.

Usually they go with an opening argument and ending argument that are sent to the host(so nobody gets an advantage of seeing it and changing their opening/closing arguments) with posts in between, usually one or two, but I'm fine with more. Details like battlefield, limitations, etc are decided beforehand.

If carter mans up and admits he's backing down after accepting our previously agreed BZ I'm willing to start getting it setup immediately.

Originally posted by Delta1938
Puppy, are we having the BZ or not?

Originally posted by carver9
Delta, I haven't forgotten about this thread. You have to understand, you as a person requires a lot of energy (not only you, theres a couple of peeps on this site like this). I have to put a lot of effort and mental balance in just reading one post from you without going berserk. I have life things I'm focusing on right now, so once I get that out of the way, then i can mentally get myself ready for you.

There you have it, folks.

Reading is too difficult for Carv, confirmed

ignoreo ds and his sarcasm carv, what life things you gotta focus on?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
There you have it, folks.

Reading is too difficult for Carv, confirmed Carver is just waiting for his handlers to help him.

Originally posted by carver9


So You're backing down for being a weak, triggered pussy, got it.

Well ctdm, when do you want to start?

Originally posted by MrMind
ignoreo ds and his sarcasm carv, what life things you gotta focus on?

Crossing the road is next week; this week is putting his pants on one leg at a time.

Seriously, I don't believe him that he has life stuff going on, and he only has himself to blame if he actually does. He's such a ****ing liar outside debates as well as here.

Originally posted by MrMind
ignoreo ds and his sarcasm carv, what life things you gotta focus on?

Got laid the f*** off (including most of the team I was on), so now I'm back on the job hunt again.

Originally posted by Delta1938
So You're backing down for being a weak, triggered pussy, got it.

Well ctdm, when do you want to start?

Come on!!! This really can't be that important to you, can it. Spend time with your friends and family. KMC really isn't that important. This sh** can wait.

Originally posted by carver9
Got laid the f*** off (including most of the team I was on), so now I'm back on the job hunt again.

Don't be too proud to consider Subway or something, some money is better then no money and the hours are flexible.

Lmmfao... or I can just live off my savings for a couple of months and then start looking.

Originally posted by carver9
Lmmfao... or I can just live off my savings for a couple of months and then start looking.

Your call, was just saying because I know a guy who's about 7 years to retirement and actually took a subway gig ln the side for extra spending money. Claims tips alone fund his gambling habit.

Free subs and all the soda he can drink on shift, one day a week 4 hour shift.

Originally posted by cdtm
Your call, was just saying because I know a guy who's about 7 years to retirement and actually took a subway gig ln the side for extra spending money. Claims tips alone fund his gambling habit.

Free subs and all the soda he can drink on shift, one day a week 4 hour shift. Mannnnnn.......the PERKS!!!!!!!

Originally posted by carver9
Got laid the f*** off (including most of the team I was on), so now I'm back on the job hunt again. sorry to hear, Carver - that blows. Layoffs are stressful and career moves are draining.

Originally posted by lawest9
Mannnnnn.......the PERKS!!!!!!!

I know, I know, not ideal.

Easy money between jobs though. It's really easy to fall into the trap of waiting for the ideal next job and blowing through your savings, and finding yourself still between jobs.

Originally posted by carver9
Come on!!! This really can't be that important to you, can it. Spend time with your friends and family. KMC really isn't that important. This sh** can wait.

It's all your fault I don't believe you. I still wouldn't have believed you if you just said personal stuff is keeping you busy, but I would have only been annoyed. It's you whining about getting triggered like a pussy over my posts. I guess you don't handle getting owned well.

That's not the reason why I don't believe you, it just strengthens it, because it was completely unnecessary. It's the years of lying you've done that makes me doubt you. If you actually did lose your job, well, that sucks, but you only have yourself to blame for me not believing you.

Originally posted by cdtm
Your call, was just saying because I know a guy who's about 7 years to retirement and actually took a subway gig ln the side for extra spending money. Claims tips alone fund his gambling habit.

Free subs and all the soda he can drink on shift, one day a week 4 hour shift.

.....how much in tips is he getting to fund a gambling habit on a once a week half day? Unless this isn't what I would think by "habit."

Originally posted by carver9
Got laid the f*** off (including most of the team I was on), so now I'm back on the job hunt again.

what were you doing before

Originally posted by Delta1938
.....how much in tips is he getting to fund a gambling habit on a once a week half day? Unless this isn't what I would think by "habit."

He spends about 120 on gambling, plus expenses. Goes every few months.

I can't figure it either but he claims the 3-10 a week in tips covers him.

Originally posted by cdtm
He spends about 120 on gambling, plus expenses. Goes every few months.

I can't figure it either but he claims the 3-10 a week in tips covers him.

Every few months? Not what I would think by "habit." But I can see that covering him going every few months.

So Carter, I still don't believe you. But if you really were laid off, good luck. I do mean that if you really were. I just don't believe you. If you want to know why, you know how to get ahold of me.

lmao

"If you want me to berate you and call you a liar, you know where to reach me"

who could pass up that invitation

Originally posted by cdtm
I know, I know, not ideal.

Easy money between jobs though. It's really easy to fall into the trap of waiting for the ideal next job and blowing through your savings, and finding yourself still between jobs. Sadly I have been there and know the pain, I hope it all works out for Carver.

Originally posted by Smurph
sorry to hear, Carver - that blows. Layoffs are stressful and career moves are draining.
Yeah, especially Covid still going on recently. Finding a job is becoming more and more difficult

Can't Carv just sleep with another manager?

Or sue them?

Originally posted by Smurph
lmao

"If you want me to berate you and call you a liar, you know where to reach me"

who could pass up that invitation

You actually don't know just how bad a liar he is OUTSIDE comic debates.

Originally posted by Smurph
lmao

"If you want me to berate you and call you a liar, you know where to reach me"

who could pass up that invitation

delta is just lonely

Originally posted by Delta1938
You actually don't know just how bad a liar he is OUTSIDE comic debates.

i mean you might be the only one who's willing to know carver outside of kmc

Originally posted by carver9
Got laid Congrats.

Is it with the female boss, again?

Originally posted by Delta1938
Don't underestimate Derrick's sexual prowess. The man has read the Karma Sutra even more than he has OWAW and he understands it nearly as well.

are you his female boss? how would you rate his sex skill? from 1-10

Originally posted by MrMind
what were you doing before

I was a consultant (cyber security anti money laundering. I basically caught criminals and forwarded my findings to law enforcement. A snitch, lol).

Also, thanks everyone for the kind words. Delta, lol, you don't have to believe me. I owe you nothing. I'm sure Stilt probably already checked my linked in profile. Get the details from him.

Originally posted by carver9
A snitch

DS would be proud

Originally posted by carver9
I was a consultant (cyber security anti money laundering. I basically caught criminals and forwarded my findings to law enforcement. A snitch, lol).

Also, thanks everyone for the kind words. Delta, lol, you don't have to believe me. I owe you nothing. I'm sure Stilt probably already checked my linked in profile. Get the details from him.

Congratulations!


Have you met David Hogg's dad? Sounds like your line of work would bring you into contact with a lot of feds.

Originally posted by MrMind
DS would be proud

It's why we hate each other so much. He's the competition.

Originally posted by carver9
I was a consultant (cyber security anti money laundering. I basically caught criminals and forwarded my findings to law enforcement. A snitch, lol).

Carv, no offense, but what you have just described is the most common data analyst job in every civilized corner of this planet.

Good luck with looking for a new job. I am being sincere.

Originally posted by carver9
Also, thanks everyone for the kind words. Delta, lol, you don't have to believe me. I owe you nothing. I'm sure Stilt probably already checked my linked in profile. Get the details from him.

I don't spy on you daily, love.

You can sleep well and suck on your thumb

Carver describes working as a security guard as highly trained counter domestic terrorism agent.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Carv, no offense, but what you have just described is the most common data analyst job in every civilized corner of this planet.

Good luck with looking for a new job. I am being sincere.



I don't spy on you daily, love.

You can sleep well and suck on your thumb


🤣🤣🤣

Lmmfao @ Philo statement.

carver just get into sales like me

my goal for the next 3 years is to become a million dollar broker for logistic company

Originally posted by carver9
I was a consultant (cyber security anti money laundering. I basically caught criminals and forwarded my findings to law enforcement. A snitch, lol).

Serious question as that's a field I might look to get in to. What relevant qualifications do you have?

Originally posted by MrMind
carver just get into sales like me

my goal for the next 3 years is to become a million dollar broker for logistic company

You know what's funny? All the snooty CBR regs don't even have real jobs, they mostly work retail.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Serious question as that's a field I might look to get in to. What relevant qualifications do you have?

Challenging approach - 4 to 5 years as a Fraud Investigator, SQL knowledge and 2 years SAR writing.

The most effective/easy approach that would get you hired instantly - get certified as a Fraud examiner (CFE). Doesn't even take long to get the certificate and you'll get the top end salary for the position once (not if) hired.

Carter is lying about work again, and lying about being laid off. He was actually in a boy band, and they kicked him out for being the only one not to wear a mask.

oliCVn7Ic68

He went on to have a failed solo rap career.

nLn3kX2eUtU

I don't know why his solo career failed though. That song was fire. Oh, correction, he was set on fire.

Now he's trying to make it with a gangsta rap group with some of his boy bandmates and Pennywise.

QstIzL91L9Y

I still think Lobo wins this.

Originally posted by MrMind
delta is just lonely


poor guy

really wanted that BZ to happen

Originally posted by carver9
Challenging approach - 4 to 5 years as a Fraud Investigator, SQL knowledge and 2 years SAR writing.

The most effective/easy approach that would get you hired instantly - get certified as a Fraud examiner (CFE). Doesn't even take long to get the certificate and you'll get the top end salary for the position once (not if) hired.

how much is top end salary in your field

Originally posted by carver9
Challenging approach - 4 to 5 years as a Fraud Investigator, SQL knowledge and 2 years SAR writing.

The most effective/easy approach that would get you hired instantly - get certified as a Fraud examiner (CFE). Doesn't even take long to get the certificate and you'll get the top end salary for the position once (not if) hired.

Cool, thanks

Originally posted by -Pr-
Cool, thanks

And all it took was Carver losing his job, his kids going hungry, the house getting repossessed, and his wife leaving him, for him to earn Pr's heartfelt gratitude.

🤣🤣🤣🤣

Originally posted by Smurph
poor guy

really wanted that BZ to happen

Carter has lied about worse to protect his ego, so him lying about this is not for fetched at all.

And he's contradicting himself. He can't handle the BZ because of what's going on yet he's so well off financially he can go for 2 months on savings before having to even start looking? I went through FAR worse than that and was able to do more than a single BZ.

Delta, this is boarder line sad. This is why I said it's hard debating or talking with you. You're too dramatic and you're making this too personal. I don't know any of you, so I have no reason to lie. I should just cancel this BZ just to add more injury to this since you are making this so freaking personal. Here's my conversation with 2 good friends of mine when it happened (they work at the same place). Go to my linked in profile and it says OPEN TO WORK because I don't have a job. You're back on ignore by the way...

https://ibb.co/GJ9Dm3v
https://ibb.co/bLFzL3k

Originally posted by carver9
Delta, this is boarder line sad. This is why I said it's hard debating or talking with you. You're too dramatic and you're making this too personal. I don't know any of you, so I have no reason to lie. I should just cancel this BZ just to add more injury to this since you are making this so freaking personal. Here's my conversation with 2 good friends of mine when it happened (they work at the same place). Go to my linked in profile and it says OPEN TO WORK because I don't have a job. You're back on ignore by the way...

https://ibb.co/GJ9Dm3v
https://ibb.co/bLFzL3k

So what you're saying is I'm being unfair expecting you to handle things as well as me, gotcha.

Also, not sure why you would expect me to check your LinkedIn like I have it.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I still think Lobo wins this.

Fight me.

How does he win when Black Adam have the speed, strength and versatility advantage

Originally posted by carver9
How does he win when Black Adam have the speed, strength and versatility advantage

I don't think he has the strength advantage, unless we use ABC scaling and statements, which we can if you want. Every punch Adam lands would splatter blood, or Lobo can easily bite himself like he did in Dark Metal to make clones himself.

Black Adam could simply bfr him for the easy victory and destroy his bike

Originally posted by carver9
Black Adam could simply bfr him for the easy victory and destroy his bike

Read OP.

Going for the kill does NOT automatically take away the bfr option. If cloning is still an option, then this thread is D.A.F. Also, Lobo can be knocked out.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Read OP.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
There you have it, folks.

Reading is too difficult for Carv, confirmed

Originally posted by carver9
Black Adam could simply bfr him for the easy victory and destroy his bike

Lobo's bike casually flies through large asteroids and stars, it isn't fragile.

Originally posted by cdtm
Lobo's bike casually flies through large asteroids and stars, it isn't fragile.

Didn't it go through a black hoke? Or maybe not canon.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Fight me. nah I just wandered into this thread for the drama.

...but it's not like OP changed the reqs for a forum win so BA can blitz to KO

Originally posted by cdtm
Lobo's bike casually flies through large asteroids and stars, it isn't fragile.

It can be destroyed.

Originally posted by carver9
Going for the kill does NOT automatically take away the bfr option. If cloning is still an option, then this thread is D.A.F. Also, Lobo can be knocked out.

Why wouldn't cloning be an option? OP merely states nastiest versions - so this would be full Toon Force Lobo, with blood clones etc.

Lobo was able to destroy a planet in a single blast, destroy a solar system by reciting some numbers, can fart 50kiloton nukes, race around the planet, reprogram New God tech on the fly....I wouldn't even give Black Adam the versatility edge.

Originally posted by Smurph
nah I just wandered into this thread for the drama.

...but it's not like OP changed the reqs for a forum win so BA can blitz to KO

Because of Eclipso? But that's one showing, against other examples of his speed.

The Byrne Eradicated Superman showing specifically claims he's too fast, which should hold up unless there's proof being eradicated made him slower.

In Valor, he actually punches Mon-El's laser vision. Multi punch bliitz while advancing on him.

Originally posted by Smurph
nah I just wandered into this thread for the drama.

...but it's not like OP changed the reqs for a forum win so BA can blitz to KO

That's not what carter argued. The OP is them determined to kill, carter argued BFR. I mean if BFR isn't banned then you could argue Lobo accidentally gets BFRed when Adam upper cuts, but pretty sure that's not what he was arguing.

Originally posted by cdtm
Because of Eclipso? But that's one showing, against other examples of his speed.

The Byrne Eradicated Superman showing specifically claims he's too fast, which should hold up unless there's proof being eradicated made him slower.

In Valor, he actually punches Mon-El's laser vision. Multi punch bliitz while advancing on him.

Lobo didn't react very well to being a super speed punching bag later. vin

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Why wouldn't cloning be an option? OP merely states nastiest versions - so this would be full Toon Force Lobo, with blood clones etc.

Lobo was able to destroy a planet in a single blast, destroy a solar system by reciting some numbers, can fart 50kiloton nukes, race around the planet, reprogram New God tech on the fly....I wouldn't even give Black Adam the versatility edge.

Don't think nastier means the best versions. 🤔

Originally posted by carver9
Don't think nastier means the best versions. 🤔

Originally posted by lawest9
Nastiest versions of both determined to kill the other, who takes this?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
There you have it, folks.

Reading is too difficult for Carv, confirmed

I mean I know I already used the quote from DS, but damn was this a reason to reuse so soon.

Originally posted by Delta1938
That's not what carter argued. The OP is them determined to kill, carter argued BFR. I mean if BFR isn't banned then you could argue Lobo accidentally gets BFRed when Adam upper cuts, but pretty sure that's not what he was arguing. My post has nothing to do with Carver.

You need to eat a snickers or something. Unwind.

Originally posted by carver9
Don't think nastier means the best versions. 🤔

It means Toon Force Lobo, at the very least. The one who fights the Mask across the globe, fights when he's just a head, guts his enemies for fun, that Lobo. Devours your entrails and thoroughly enjoys it, that Lobo. Literally destroys solar systems, casually oneshots planets just because it was standing in his way (which sounds like a nasty piece of work, anyway).

And again, why wouldn't blood clones be allowed? He used them in Death Metal, a 'serious' (I..e non toon force) comic.

Cdtm, in case you missed--

Originally posted by cdtm
Lobo's bike casually flies through large asteroids and stars, it isn't fragile.

Originally posted by Delta1938
Didn't it go through a black hole? Or maybe not canon.

Originally posted by Smurph
My post has nothing to do with Carver.

You need to eat a snickers or something. Unwind.

It looked like you were saying it abput given the context. Since they're determined to kill, pretty sure Adam wouldn't intend to BFR.

And nah, I'm fine.