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Not just in terms of power, but in terms of their status within the established hierarchy.

Who is Marvel's equivalent of-
*Perpetua
*World Forger
*Monitor (original)
*Anti-Monitor

I would say that the LT comes the closest.

No one. LT AND IB got rolled by Korvac for chrissake. Marvel's cosmics are jokes.

The closest thing is these guys :
https://i.postimg.cc/dDgJkXGY/image.jpg
And even then, it's iffy.

Eternity, infinity and living tribunal

Originally posted by MrMind
Eternity, infinity and living tribunal These entities are universal level, Perpetual and her sons are multiversal.

Eternity and Celestials

Originally posted by lawest9
These entities are universal level, Perpetual and her sons are multiversal. This thread isn't just about the power of the individuals. I'm more curious what Marvel characters fill the same general role within the hierarchy.

In terms of *just* status/position within the established hierarchy...

Perpetua = Multi-Eternity, maybe?
Anti-Monitor = Chaos King or Abraxas, maybe?
Monitor = Eternity, maybe?
World Forger = Shaper of Worlds + Glorian, maybe?

Perpetua is the one who birthed the multiverse from void . Chaos king would be empty hand or darkest knight

Originally posted by TheManWhoLaughs
Eternity and Celestials
This. Their roles, feats, and limits are very similar according to the most recent revisions, particularly by Ewing, of these characters.

Originally posted by Astner
This. Their roles, feats, and limits are very similar according to the most recent revisions, particularly by Ewing, of these characters.
Not really.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Not really.

Lol...keep it in your pants darling.

Originally posted by Astner
This. Their roles, feats, and limits are very similar according to the most recent revisions, particularly by Ewing, of these characters. How so?

Perpetua - Multi-Eternity
World Forger - Phoenix Force
Monitor - Uatu
Anti-Monitor - Hunger

Celestial. Perpetua taxed herself destroying a Universe. Marvels best can wave a universe away. Crazy thing is, she's more powerful than her children.

Originally posted by carver9
Celestial. Perpetua taxed herself destroying a Universe. Marvels best can wave a universe away. Crazy thing is, she's more powerful than her children.
Name one character who has destroyed a universe in one attack let alone hand wave a universe in marvel.

Originally posted by deft
Perpetua - Multi-Eternity
World Forger - Phoenix Force
Monitor - Uatu
Anti-Monitor - Hunger

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Lol...keep it in your pants darling.
Let's not pretend you have any idea about these characters, shall we?

Original Monitor?
The one who watched TV a lot and provided weapons?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Name one character who has destroyed a universe in one attack let alone hand wave a universe in marvel.

Lol...Molecule Man had Universes in a box as a play toy. Why ask this question when you know it exists?

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...Molecule Man had Universes in a box as a play toy. Why ask this question when you know it exists?

It was only a representation of the Omniverse though.

I can have a box with the Moon in it. But it's obviously not the real moon.

It was a metaphorical representation of the Omniverse. Not a literal one.

Owen was just simplifying Schrodinger's "cat in a box" thought experiment to Lifebringer, in cosmic terms -- the surrounding context of their conversation explicitly indicates such.

Originally posted by Galan007
It was a metaphorical representation of the Omniverse. Not a literal one.

Owen was just simplifying Schrodinger's "cat in a box" thought experiment to Lifebringer, in cosmic terms -- the surrounding context of their conversation explicitly indicates such.

So do you think this is carter lying, or having trouble reading?

In carver's defense, it is a common misconception.

A lot of us originally thought that Owen had literally stuffed the Omniverse inside a shoebox... But upon rereads, that is definitely not the case. The entire issue was packed with metaphors, and that was no exception -- it essentially amounted to a visual aid/allegory and nothing more.

There's also he just looks at the pretty pictures.

Originally posted by Galan007
In carver's defense, it is a common misconception.

A lot of us originally thought that Owen had literally stuffed the Omniverse inside a shoebox... But upon rereads, that is definitely not the case. The entire issue was packed with metaphors, and that was no exception -- it essentially amounted to a visual aid/allegory and nothing more.

This. Few are as enlightened as we.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...Molecule Man had Universes in a box as a play toy. Why ask this question when you know it exists?
Did he now?

Perpetua is Universal, at full power. There are plenty of beings above that power level. Her sons are much weaker than her. They had to fusion with each other to even stand a chance at fighting her. The showings are there but she is being wanked to oblivion.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...Molecule Man had Universes in a box as a play toy. Why ask this question when you know it exists?

Post the scans.

Why? Seems like most disagree with it.

Originally posted by carver9
Why? Seems like most disagree with it.

What's your proof that it's the actual Omniverse inside the box?

Originally posted by carver9
Perpetua is Universal, at full power. There are plenty of beings above that power level. Her sons are much weaker than her. They had to fusion with each other to even stand a chance at fighting her. The showings are there but she is being wanked to oblivion.

Did u just say perpetua is universal....even though she created a freaking multiverse...

Originally posted by carver9
Perpetua is Universal, at full power. There are plenty of beings above that power level. Her sons are much weaker than her. They had to fusion with each other to even stand a chance at fighting her. The showings are there but she is being wanked to oblivion.
Do show us a marvel character destroying a universe in one attack.

Originally posted by MrMind
Did u just say perpetua is universal....even though she created a freaking multiverse...

She did? Scans showing how she created it.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
What's your proof that it's the actual Omniverse inside the box?

I'm conceding that argument since people disagree with it. No proof needed.

Originally posted by carver9
I'm conceding that argument since people disagree with it. No proof needed.

Most things you say are disagreed with; guess you conceded those too. Fair enough.

Originally posted by carver9
Perpetua is Universal, at full power. There are plenty of beings above that power level. Her sons are much weaker than her. They had to fusion with each other to even stand a chance at fighting her. The showings are there but she is being wanked to oblivion.

Just wondering, who do you put above her?

Most cosmics that are above Universal level which is a lot of them.

if i show you a scan of her creating a multiverse will you send me your juicy lips pics

Post the scan, please

Originally posted by kevdude
Just wondering, who do you put above her?

Carver's answer: the ones who are above her, duh.

Beyonder, LT, One Above all, OBA, Tiamut, heck, a high end Galactus could probably stalemate her.

Originally posted by carver9
Post the scan, please

what you think is happening in this scan? universal multiverse?
https://imgur.com/a/TdVAle9

now post your juicy lips

Originally posted by carver9
Beyonder, LT, One Above all, OBA, Tiamut, heck, a high end Galactus could probably stalemate her.

And how about Jean Grey?

hello carver?

Originally posted by MrMind
what you think is happening in this scan? universal multiverse?
https://imgur.com/a/TdVAle9

now post your juicy lips

If you can check his Xbox profile you can see those juicy lips.

carver where u at
you asked for proof

now do you concede?

Originally posted by MrMind
what you think is happening in this scan? universal multiverse?
https://imgur.com/a/TdVAle9

now post your juicy lips


"It is a multiverse, come see. I have nearly finished shaping it OFF PANEL into being. Is it not beautiful". I'm guess she pulled a World Forger and had to have a special room with a special tool to create this multiverse but this is me guessing since the shit was done off panel. Next scan, please.

bruh

So you agree she creates one, whether offpanel or no, she created a multiverse. Good to know.

By unknown means. Yes, she did create it. Scans on how she did it would be great.

Originally posted by carver9
She did? Scans showing how she created it.

Yes, she did.

Glad we cleared that up

Originally posted by carver9
"It is a multiverse, come see. I have nearly finished shaping it OFF PANEL into being. Is it not beautiful". I'm guess she pulled a World Forger and had to have a special room with a special tool to create this multiverse but this is me guessing since the shit was done off panel. Next scan, please.

"Off-panel" doesn't literally mean you just make up whatever shit you want.

Tbh, Alfred could have done the exact same, Pr. We just don't know. It's obvious that any character could have done the same - I mean, Galactus does what he does with the help of special tools and tech, but nobody here begrudges him his tools.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998

DC comics encyclopedia new edition
'Godlike powers. Including the ability to create multiverseS '
https://ibb.co/QJ3p0gr

Originally posted by carver9
Perpetua is Universal, at full power. There are plenty of beings above that power level. Her sons are much weaker than her. They had to fusion with each other to even stand a chance at fighting her. The showings are there but she is being wanked to oblivion. Originally posted by carver9
She did? Scans showing how she created it.

so perpetua is only universal despite having the power to create multiverses

but molecule man automatically put an actual omniverse in the box even though it's just a visual representation ? right carve?

your double standard is destroying all the politicians out there

Carter, give it up like you did the BZ you backed down from.....for the second time.

Didn't the Moira personality of Legion put the 616 universe into a box and toss it into fire? I don't think that the upper level cosmics in Marvel struggle to wreck universes, if they feel like it.

I was always of the opinion that when it comes to reality warping and messing with universes and multiverses, Marvel takes the cake over DC.
DC has a focus on strength and speed, while Marvel has a focus on telekinesis / telepathy (which in some instances grants complete control over atoms) and reality warping. The latter abilities are even more hax than whatever the Speed Force can provide.

Originally posted by Enzeru
Didn't the Moira personality of Legion put the 616 universe into a box and toss it into fire? I don't think that the upper level cosmics in Marvel struggle to wreck universes, if they feel like it.

I was always of the opinion that when it comes to reality warping and messing with universes and multiverses, Marvel takes the cake over DC.
DC has a focus on strength and speed, while Marvel has a focus on telekinesis / telepathy (which in some instances grants complete control over atoms) and reality warping. The latter abilities are even more hax than whatever the Speed Force can provide.

You think Marvel have more reality warpers?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85

You think Marvel have more reality warpers?

No, I think that when you talk about Marvel powerhouses, you're often looking at characters, who can warp reality or control atoms and molecules. Sentry, Silver Surfer, Scarlet Witch, Nate Grey, Jean Grey etc. Omega level mutants are essentially cheaters.

And when you talk about DC powerhouses, it's about strength, speed and durability most of the time. Superman, Shazam, Wonder Woman, Martian Manhunter etc.

Originally posted by Enzeru
No, I think that when you talk about Marvel powerhouses, you're often looking at characters, who can warp reality or control atoms and molecules. Sentry, Silver Surfer, Scarlet Witch, Nate Grey, Jean Grey etc. Omega level mutants are essentially cheaters.

And when you talk about DC powerhouses, it's about strength, speed and durability most of the time. Superman, Shazam, Wonder Woman, Martian Manhunter etc.

Ah, that's because the two main DC guys (Bats and Supes) cheat with their plot armour in every comic they're in, thanks to the 5D imps.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85

Ah, that's because the two main DC guys (Bats and Supes) cheat with their plot armour in every comic they're in, thanks to the 5D imps.

Have you played the new Gotham Knights game yet? Is it any good? I've been avoiding it, because it's locked to 30 FPS on the PS5. That's unacceptable for an action game in 2022.

Spoiler: Batman didn't have his cockroach powers in that game, so he is dead there.

Originally posted by Enzeru

I was always of the opinion that when it comes to reality warping and messing with universes and multiverses, Marvel takes the cake over DC.


if only we care about the opinions of marvel fanboys

if only...

Originally posted by Enzeru
Didn't the Moira personality of Legion put the 616 universe into a box and toss it into fire? I don't think that the upper level cosmics in Marvel struggle to wreck universes, if they feel like it.

I was always of the opinion that when it comes to reality warping and messing with universes and multiverses, Marvel takes the cake over DC.
DC has a focus on strength and speed, while Marvel has a focus on telekinesis / telepathy (which in some instances grants complete control over atoms) and reality warping. The latter abilities are even more hax than whatever the Speed Force can provide.
Originally posted by Enzeru
No, I think that when you talk about Marvel powerhouses, you're often looking at characters, who can warp reality or control atoms and molecules. Sentry, Silver Surfer, Scarlet Witch, Nate Grey, Jean Grey etc. Omega level mutants are essentially cheaters.

And when you talk about DC powerhouses, it's about strength, speed and durability most of the time. Superman, Shazam, Wonder Woman, Martian Manhunter etc.


DC events in last ten years are nothing but DBZ style power ups. Marvel can't catch up at all.

not one point in the last 60 years of marvel publication history have they come close in term of power to dc

the only time you can sorta make an argument was during the n52 era

it's a completely different ball game now

damn perma banned after 3 posts...

Originally posted by LordGod
Not just in terms of power, but in terms of their status within the established hierarchy.

Who is Marvel's equivalent of-
*Perpetua
*World Forger
*Monitor (original)
*Anti-Monitor In terms of hype? The Ultimate Ultimates. And I suppose Oblivion/Chaos King.

In terms of power? Yeah. Let's not pretend. Either for Perpetua and her spawn or the Ultimate Ultimates.