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This is the General during his last fight against Superman (latest version when he learned how to fly). Who's taking this?

Zod has never won a fight. He isnt beating Adam.

Adam

Zod, the city wrecking collateral tells you all you need to know.

-Adam was KO'd by human weapons.

-Only way to stop Zod was Kal-El snapping his neck using every single bit of his kryptonian strength.



Adam bows before Zod.

Originally posted by Robtard
-Adam was KO'd by human weapons.

-Only way to stop Zod was Kal-El snapping his neck using every single bit of his kryptonian strength.



Adam bows before Zod. Exactly! Also, Zod was better acted.

Michael Shannon is a good actor with range

Dwayne Johnson is a subpar actor who can do well when he stays in his lane

Originally posted by Robtard

Dwayne Johnson is a subpar actor who can do well when he stays in his lane

Problem is he didn't stay in his lane in this movie. He tried to play the stoic, brooding lone-wolf when he's normally used to playing the loud, flamboyant alpha male.

It didn't work. His charisma in this movie was heavily subdued and he couldn't bring enough gravitas to compensate for it.

Agreed, Dwayne's a charming guy; probably his greatest acting tool, and that side of him was completely written out of this character.

Get a load of the pretentious hipster critics.


If Zod has the magic weakness, that projected lightning should be way too OP against any Kryptonian.

Originally posted by Robtard
-Adam was KO'd by human weapons.

-Only way to stop Zod was Kal-El snapping his neck using every single bit of his kryptonian strength.



Adam bows before Zod.

You mean Eternium AKA his Kryptonite?

Originally posted by Lestov16
You mean Eternium AKA his Kryptonite?

Just a minor detail not worth mentioning.

Black Adam As he has the Superior acting skills..

Originally posted by Estacado
Black Adam As he has the Superior acting skills..

That's just straight up delusional.

^ He was clearly joking.

Originally posted by Lestov16
You mean Eternium AKA his Kryptonite?

I mean Superman showed far greater resilience to K-nite and we can scale Zod against Superman, come at me bro.

Originally posted by cdtm
Get a load of the pretentious hipster critics.


If Zod has the magic weakness, that projected lightning should be way too OP against any Kryptonian.


Zod didn't show magic invulnerability. Neither has Superman. GTFO with that shit.

Originally posted by Robtard
Zod didn't show magic invulnerability. Neither has Superman. GTFO with that shit.

No, but that's a historic weakness. Same way Kryptonite is assumed as one even if it hasn't been introduced in a story.

Was Eternium ever mentioned to specifically be BAs weakness? If not will just have to assume it was simply powerful enough to hurt him.

Adam.
Any other answer is d-u-m dumb.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Was Eternium ever mentioned to specifically be BAs weakness? If not will just have to assume it was simply powerful enough to hurt him.

Nope, not specifically mentioned. It was just something they used in their bullets.

Originally posted by cdtm
No, but that's a historic weakness. Same way Kryptonite is assumed as one even if it hasn't been introduced in a story.

Doesn't mean it automatically translates into the DCEU. GTFO, nerd.

Originally posted by cdtm
Nope, not specifically mentioned. It was just something they used in their bullets.

And in the shield they use to protect themselves when they are holding Amon hostage in the mines. He outright states that Black Adam's powers can't breach the shield.

Seriously though, DCEU Krptonians have shown greater feats all around, strength, speed and durability.

I'd even argue that their heat vision is on par or above Adam's lighting in terms of power/damage.

This is a Krptonian with a limited amount of yellow sun exposure:

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/CarefreeAgreeableBison-max-1mb.gif

This is a Krptonian with full powers:

https://media.tenor.com/7Vk2ytsPJmQAAAAd/superman-vs-the-flash.gif

Edit

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Was Eternium ever mentioned to specifically be BAs weakness? If not will just have to assume it was simply powerful enough to hurt him.

Yes it was mentioned

Originally posted by Robtard
Seriously though, DCEU Krptonians have shown greater feats all around, strength, speed and durability.

I'd even argue that their heat vision is on par or above Adam's lighting in terms of power/damage.

This is a Krptonian with a limited amount of yellow sun exposure:

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/CarefreeAgreeableBison-max-1mb.gif

This is a Krptonian with full powers:

https://media.tenor.com/7Vk2ytsPJmQAAAAd/superman-vs-the-flash.gif

Black Adam speed fts are better though. Durability and speed. Strength as well.

Originally posted by carver9
Black Adam speed fts are better though. Durability and speed. Strength as well.


Speed first.

Black Adam's speed was above what Faora showed with her limited solar exposure.

But it is not faster than the Flash, of which Superman was on par with. To say otherwise is to be a lunatic.

She moved fast and punched a couple of humans. Why are you impressed by that? Adam caught a bullet for one. 2. He was moving so fast that everything around him, including explosions were in slow motion. The ft you posted above isn't great at all.

Also, Superman isn't as fast as Flash. Maybe a holding back Flash but he is nowhere near his speed.

Doomsday thread Carvdaddy

Originally posted by carver9
Yes it was mentioned


I dont recall that so I will need a quote.

Zod fought a rookie Superman let's not compare that version to the one in JL....

Originally posted by Estacado
Zod fought a rookie Superman let's not compare that version to the one in JL....

And lost

He isnt beating Adam

Originally posted by Estacado
Zod fought a rookie Superman


Originally posted by tkitna
And lost



Yup.

Originally posted by carver9
She moved fast and punched a couple of humans. Why are you impressed by that? Adam caught a bullet for one. 2. He was moving so fast that everything around him, including explosions were in slow motion. The ft you posted above isn't great at all.

Also, Superman isn't as fast as Flash. Maybe a holding back Flash but he is nowhere near his speed.


I ltterally said Adam's speed is above Faora's


The gif literally shows Superman being able to keep up with Flash while he's in speed mode to the point where every other person (excepts Supes) is a stature to him.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Doomsday thread Carvdaddy

Speaking of, Doomsday would solo every hero in BA at the same time and he's made up of mostly Zod with a sprinkle of Eisenlex's AIDS tainted blood.

Originally posted by Robtard
Speaking of, Doomsday would solo every hero in BA at the same time and he's made up of mostly Zod with a sprinkle of Eisenlex's AIDS tainted blood. Fact

Also, Zod wins here without too much trouble.

Originally posted by Arachnid1
Fact

Also, Zod wins here without too much trouble.

WTF has Zod done to give him a decisive or even arguable win here? Adam's speedblitz are definitely beyond Kryptonian and Adam can summon lightning attacks powerful enough to destroy entire nations (which is why he was imprisoned by Shazam because he basically went Mount Vesuvius on Paleo-Kandaq)

Originally posted by Robtard
Speaking of, Doomsday would solo every hero in BA at the same time and he's made up of mostly Zod with a sprinkle of Eisenlex's AIDS tainted blood.

He was an amplified Zod.

Black Adams' feats trumps anything we've seen from Zod (or Faora and Namek for that matter).

And unlike Superman, BA looks like he actually knows how to fight instead of just purely throwing haymakers and bullrushing opponents.

His speed feats alone are above Zod's and even the casualness of how he tanks firepower seemed above the Kryptonians.

Black Adam wins this handily.

Zod basically owns here. Stronger, faster and not a pussy ***** whose son was the hero.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Zod basically owns here. Stronger, faster and not a pussy ***** whose son was the hero.

He is a pussy though. He's never won a fight. He lost to an old scientist and an untrained farm boy who ended up killing him.

Originally posted by Lestov16
WTF has Zod done to give him a decisive or even arguable win here? Adam's speedblitz are definitely beyond Kryptonian and Adam can summon lightning attacks powerful enough to destroy entire nations (which is why he was imprisoned by Shazam because he basically went Mount Vesuvius on Paleo-Kandaq)

If we say Zod's powers are almost on par with Superman's, then Zod's faster, as Krytonian speed is greater than Adam's speed. Which was extremely impressive, but it's not faster than being able to hang with the Flash.

Though I do suspect that we ever see a film with Adam and Superman, their speed will be equalized.

Originally posted by tkitna
He is a pussy though. He's never won a fight. He lost to an old scientist and an untrained farm boy who ended up killing him. yeah but they were from the House of El and descendents of Rao himself. Not just any Scientist and Farmboy. One is the first and greatest Superhero, the other his Dad. Adam is a pussy.

Originally posted by Robtard
If we say Zod's powers are almost on par with Superman's, then Zod's faster, as Krytonian speed is greater than Adam's speed. Which was extremely impressive, but it's not faster than being able to hang with the Flash.

Though I do suspect that we ever see a film with Adam and Superman, their speed will be equalized.


That still leaves the matter of the lightning blast, one of which was so powerful that it nearly wiped out the entire Kandaq population, which is why Shazam imprisoned him. That blast must have been at least Tuskunga level.

Originally posted by Robtard
If we say Zod's powers are almost on par with Superman's, then Zod's faster, as Krytonian speed is greater than Adam's speed. Which was extremely impressive, but it's not faster than being able to hang with the Flash.

Though I do suspect that we ever see a film with Adam and Superman, their speed will be equalized.

We don't share fts but even if we did, he still loses here.

Originally posted by Lestov16
That still leaves the matter of the lightning blast, one of which was so powerful that it nearly wiped out the entire Kandaq population, which is why Shazam imprisoned him. That blast must have been at least Tuskunga level.

Kryptonians can survive nukes at point blank. It knocks them out and drains them, but they survive. That lightning might (and I stress might} tickle a Kryptonian's cornhole.

Carv being awful brave on a forum where he hasn't been humiliated yet.

Carter appears to be class 10-20.
He shrugged off multiple blows of BA and some lightning attacks.
Carter also was able to get multiple hits in on BA.
It's fair to say that Zod is significantly more durable, stronger, and faster than Carter.

Lol. It's crazy how many people here refuse to acknowledge that Zod just DOES NOT HAVE speed feats to match Black Adam. Zod was able to fly at superspeed and do the occasional bull rush at super speed. Black Adam was able to casually move around people who were still as statues and was able to perform more fine-motor tasks like putting a grenade in a person's mouth.

I'm not saying Zod can't hit Adam. He was still hit by guys like Hawkman after all. But let's please drop the nonsense that Zod is faster than him.

I am arguing that Zod could replicate, or come close to replicating Superman's JL speed since Kryptonians share the same powerset due to their same biology. If we don't allow Zod that, then sure, he's way too slow to compete if Adam fights in superspeed the whole time.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
yeah but they were from the House of El and descendents of Rao himself. Not just any Scientist and Farmboy. One is the first and greatest Superhero, the other his Dad. Adam is a pussy.

Zod was the leader of the military. He was a trained soldier. And he lost.

Originally posted by Robtard
I am arguing that Zod could replicate, or come close to replicating Superman's JL speed since Kryptonians share the same powerset due to their same biology. If we don't allow Zod that, then sure, he's way too slow to compete if Adam fights in superspeed the whole time.

There's 2 contrasting ideas to this. Either

1.) We assume Superman has improved since his fight with Zod to his fight with the JLA (either because of experience or because he was ressurrected with a motherbox) - in which case even if we scale Zod to Superman in MoS, neither of them still have any feats to match BA.

Or

2.) We assume that Superman has been at similar power levels throughout all his movies, which means he was as fast in his fight with Zod as he was in his fight with Flash. However, this also means that he can get knocked out by a collapsing oil rig as his durability and strength never increased from his initial movie to his final movie.

If we make the assumption that his durability and strength improved throughout the movies, then we have to assume his speed did too.

Originally posted by Robtard
If we say Zod's powers are almost on par with Superman's, then Zod's faster, as Krytonian speed is greater than Adam's speed. Which was extremely impressive, but it's not faster than being able to hang with the Flash.

Though I do suspect that we ever see a film with Adam and Superman, their speed will be equalized.

I dont see how Adams speed isnt comparable. He was seeing everything in statue form too.

The collateral damage in man of steel is more than enough evidence of Zods superiority. Adam and Hawkman couldn't wreck a room.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Lol. It's crazy how many people here refuse to acknowledge that Zod just DOES NOT HAVE speed feats to match Black Adam. Zod was able to fly at superspeed and do the occasional bull rush at super speed. Black Adam was able to casually move around people who were still as statues and was able to perform more fine-motor tasks like putting a grenade in a person's mouth.

I'm not saying Zod can't hit Adam. He was still hit by guys like Hawkman after all. But let's please drop the nonsense that Zod is faster than him.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
The collateral damage in man of steel is more than enough evidence of Zods superiority. Adam and Hawkman couldn't wreck a room.

Good lord. Seriously, thats your argument? Collateral damage?

Originally posted by cdtm
No, but that's a historic weakness. Same way Kryptonite is assumed as one even if it hasn't been introduced in a story.

How is kryptonite an assumed weakness of Superman and Zod when Batman beat Superman with Kryptonite and Superman beat Doomsday with Kryptonite?

Originally posted by tkitna
I dont see how Adams speed isnt comparable. He was seeing everything in statue form too.

Weren't the humans moving in super duper slow speed from his POV? If not and they were statues, sure.

Originally posted by Robtard
Weren't the humans moving in super duper slow speed from his POV? If not and they were statues, sure.

I dont know. Pretty fast though for sure.

GeH9ZNhJtX0

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
How is kryptonite an assumed weakness of Superman and Zod when Batman beat Superman with Kryptonite and Superman beat Doomsday with Kryptonite?

My point was that it doesn't need to be proven.

There isn't really an example I can use where it hasn't been proven, but it's assumed the same way it's assumed he can fly.

His weakness to K and Magic are as integral as his flight.

Originally posted by tkitna
I dont know. Pretty fast though for sure.

GeH9ZNhJtX0 That's fast, but I'd still put the Flash's speed, which JL Superman nigh matched as being faster.

Originally posted by Robtard
That's fast, but I'd still put the Flash's speed, which JL Superman nigh matched as being faster.

Fair enough

Though as i said page back or so, if we do ever see a Superman vs BA fight in a future film, it's a safe bet they're going to equalize speed.

We also know how the fight will turn out due to Johnson's contract stipulations of not losing fights and giving as good as he gets. They'kll toss and smash each other around and it will be a stalemate.

Superman matched a holding back Flash speed. Bullets and crap, even lightning was moving in slow motion to Adam. We have no clue how fast Flash was moving when he fought Supes. Supes couldn't even save the people when tne court room exploded.

Given that normal humans are still able to see, target, fire on and hit Black Adam in that scene then he clearly isn't moving that fast.

Originally posted by Robtard
That's fast, but I'd still put the Flash's speed, which JL Superman nigh matched as being faster.

I don't know man. In Superman vs. Flash their lightning/electricity was still moving albeit very slowly. In Black Adam's fight scenes his lighting is also still moving though very slowly. There's nothing in the Superman vs. Flash fight to indicate that it was done at a faster pace.

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
Given that normal humans are still able to see, target, fire on and hit Black Adam in that scene then he clearly isn't moving that fast.

Come on man. He put a grenade in a guys mouth who didnt even realize it until the scene was over.

Originally posted by FrothByte
I don't know man. In Superman vs. Flash their lightning/electricity was still moving albeit very slowly. In Black Adam's fight scenes his lighting is also still moving though very slowly. There's nothing in the Superman vs. Flash fight to indicate that it was done at a faster pace.

I think the most impressive part of that scene was how Wonder Woman was a statue, given we know shes much faster than bullets.


Originally posted by Robtard
Though as i said page back or so, if we do ever see a Superman vs BA fight in a future film, it's a safe bet they're going to equalize speed.

We also know how the fight will turn out due to Johnson's contract stipulations of not losing fights and giving as good as he gets. They'kll toss and smash each other around and it will be a stalemate.


Johnsons indicated hed be okay with Superman beating him.

Clearly hes not the cry baby Vin Diesel is.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Johnsons indicated hed be okay with Superman beating him.

Clearly hes not the cry baby Vin Diesel is.

I think you'd have to be incredibly insecure to be upset by losing to Superman of all characters.

Originally posted by tkitna
Good lord. Seriously, thats your argument? Collateral damage? sure, knocking down skyscrapers by punching someone through multiple skyscrapers, Trumps damaging a slum buildings lounge imho.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
I think you'd have to be incredibly insecure to be upset by losing to Superman of all characters.


But then how insecure was Vin Diesel having an issue not even losing to, but even having a stalemate against The Rock in F&F ?

It was all incredible insecurity mashed with inflated egos from the start.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
But then how insecure was Vin Diesel having an issue not even losing to, but even having a stalemate against The Rock in F&F ?

It was all incredible insecurity mashed with inflated egos from the start.

Fair enough. And, yeah, Diesel is the worst IMO. Both Statham and Johnson were at least okay with getting the crap kicked out of them by Idris Elba throughout Hobbs & Show and only winning in a close 2-on-1 fight at the end. So, they seem to at least have some limits in that regard.

Though Statham did apparently hijack some of the fight scenes from that film that were supposed to go to Vanessa Kirby's character because he wanted to look extra good.

Also, didn't the Rock get beaten up by Gal Gadot, along with Ryan Reynolds, in that other spy movie they did a short while back?

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Fair enough. And, yeah, Diesel is the worst IMO. Both Statham and Johnson were at least okay with getting the crap kicked out of them by Idris Elba throughout Hobbs & Show and only winning in a close 2-on-1 fight at the end. So, they seem to at least have some limits in that regard.

Though Statham did apparently hijack some of the fight scenes from that film that were supposed to go to Vanessa Kirby's character because he wanted to look extra good.

Also, didn't the Rock get beaten up by Gal Gadot, along with Ryan Reynolds, in that other spy movie they did a short while back?


The Rock paid his dues in the wrestling biz in terms of jobbing. He was willing to put anyone over like a champ, lost to Chris Jericho even.

If he negotiated a contract where he has creative control on his character losing or not, more power to him. Rick Flair learned the hard way without that leverage, an entirely carefully constructed scenario gets crushed because Hulk Hogan says "Nope" even if protected by a crowbar to the knee beforehand ( Making Flair look like a chump who can't win even if Hulk has a bum knee).

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Also, didn't the Rock get beaten up by Gal Gadot, along with Ryan Reynolds, in that other spy movie they did a short while back?



Lol oh yeah I forgot about that one. Although ive not seen the film, but clips and trailers seem to show thats what happens.

So yeah all that F&F s*** was clearly Rock just saying f*** that guy (to Diesel).

Sounds like it lingered on a bit with Statham though from what youve said. But getting whooped by Idris Elba shows that they really dont mind. I mean that would really tie up the entertainment value if they stayed that pig headed about on the issue.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Carv being awful brave on a forum where he hasn't been humiliated yet.

Pretty sure he has been.

Rock only had that clause in place for the FF franchise regarding Vin Diesel because he was being a big baby. He gets beat up plenty in his other movies. Red Notice(which Vault mentioned where Gal Gadot beat up him and Reynolds at the same time), Jungle Cruise, Walk Tall, The Rundown, Hobbs & Shaw, GI Joe, etc... He knows how to take hits.

Originally posted by tkitna
Come on man. He put a grenade in a guys mouth who didnt even realize it until the scene was over.

If you pay attention to the scene, all the moves he makes are domino effect set ups. He throws the helicopter blade, so it slams into the ground zaps a bunch of soldiers so they all turn to ash, puts the grenade in the guys mouth, redirected the other chopper, etc, etc... and it all happened at basically the exact same time once he turned his own perception of time back to normal. It's basically the Time in a Bottle scene from X-Men but on a larger scale.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Fair enough. And, yeah, Diesel is the worst IMO. Both Statham and Johnson were at least okay with getting the crap kicked out of them by Idris Elba throughout Hobbs & Show and only winning in a close 2-on-1 fight at the end. So, they seem to at least have some limits in that regard.

Though Statham did apparently hijack some of the fight scenes from that film that were supposed to go to Vanessa Kirby's character because he wanted to look extra good.

Also, didn't the Rock get beaten up by Gal Gadot, along with Ryan Reynolds, in that other spy movie they did a short while back?
He did lose to a buch of guys in F9, so Vin's okay with his character losing against overwhelming odds atleast.

Wtf is up with these homos not wanting to lose fictional fights lol.