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how many out of 10 can he get against these guys

Shazam
Black Adam
Hal Jordan
Sinestro
John Stewart
Captain Atom (composite except monarch)
Eradicator
Cyborg Superman
Imperiex Prime

Imperiex prime is a herald? Surfer takes these guys out of 10

Shazam 5/10
Black Adam 3/10
Hal Jordan 1/10
Sinestro 3/10
John Stewart 4/10
Captain Atom 2/10
Eradicator 1/10
Cyborg Superman 1/10

Originally posted by abhilegend
Imperiex prime is a herald? Surfer takes these guys out of 10

Shazam 0/10
Black Adam 0/10
Hal Jordan 0/10
Sinestro 1/10
John Stewart 2/10
Captain Atom 0/10
Eradicator 0/10
Cyborg Superman 0/10 you are too kind, I have corrected for you.


You're welcome!

Yeah, that's more like it

Originally posted by abhilegend


Yeah, that's more like it

Shazam - 7/10
Black Adam 7/10
Hal Jordan - 9/10
Sinestro - 9/10
John Stewart - 9/10
Captain Atom (composite except monarch) 8/10
Eradicator 6/10
Cyborg Superman 8/10
Imperiex Prime 0/10 even though Imperiex have no fts.

Originally posted by carver9
Shazam - 7/10
Black Adam 7/10
Hal Jordan - 9/10
Sinestro - 9/10
John Stewart - 9/10
Captain Atom (composite except monarch) 8/10
Eradicator 6/10
Cyborg Superman 8/10
Imperiex Prime 0/10 even though Imperiex have no fts.

Originally posted by carver9
Shazam - 7/10
Black Adam 7/10
Hal Jordan - 9/10
Sinestro - 9/10
John Stewart - 9/10
Captain Atom (composite except monarch) 8/10
Eradicator 6/10
Cyborg Superman 8/10
Imperiex Prime 0/10 even though Imperiex have no fts.

Surfer takes it 10/10 in every battle with the exception of Imperiex, against Imperiex it's 0/10. The main issue being that Imperiex contains and is powered by a Big Bang, which is on a completely different scale than what Surfer has any hopes of dealing with. Galactus would be a better fight for Imperiex.

With the exception of Captain Marvel and Black Adam (who both are too weak to be considered a meaningful threat) the other characters all have notable weaknesses that the Surfer can abuse. The color yellow and blue, technopathy, etc.

Even Robin managed to break Hal Jordan's windpipe (which would've killed him if he didn't recieve emergancy treatment) after painting himself in yellow in All-Star Batman and Robin #9. So that's a very clunky weakness against someone like the Surfer.

Isn't that yellow weakness no longer valid for Hal?

Originally posted by Astner
Surfer takes it 10/10 in every battle with the exception of Imperiex

I'll bz you on this claim

Originally posted by Astner
Surfer takes it 10/10 in every battle with the exception of Imperiex, against Imperiex it's 0/10. The main issue being that Imperiex contains and is powered by a Big Bang, which is on a completely different scale than what Surfer has any hopes of dealing with. Galactus would be a better fight for Imperiex.

With the exception of Captain Marvel and Black Adam (who both are too weak to be considered a meaningful threat) the other characters all have notable weaknesses that the Surfer can abuse. The color yellow and blue, technopathy, etc.

Even Robin managed to break Hal Jordan's windpipe (which would've killed him if he didn't recieve emergancy treatment) after painting himself in yellow in All-Star Batman and Robin #9. So that's a very clunky weakness against someone like the Surfer. Nah, wrong again Pal.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Isn't that yellow weakness no longer valid for Hal?
It's a standard weakness for the Lanterns, and as far as I'm aware Hal has not been made exempt from it.

Originally posted by MrMind
I'll bz you on this claim
I'm not sure what "bz," means, but I tend to look at these things objectively.

With greater power levels the discrepancies grow, and eventually all you'll get is 0/10:s and 10/10:s.

Originally posted by Astner
It's a standard weakness for the Lanterns, and as far as I'm aware Hal has not been made exempt from it.


I'm not sure what "bz," means, but I tend to look at these things objectively.

With greater power levels the discrepancies grow, and eventually all you'll get is 0/10:s and 10/10:s.

It was removed back in like 2005. It's a weakness for newbies, but they get training to remove said weakness.

Originally posted by Astner
It's a standard weakness for the Lanterns, and as far as I'm aware Hal has not been made exempt from it.


I'm not sure what "bz," means, but I tend to look at these things objectively.

With greater power levels the discrepancies grow, and eventually all you'll get is 0/10:s and 10/10:s.

I challenge you in a battlezone on this statement

Originally posted by Astner
Surfer takes it 10/10 in every battle with the exception of Imperiex

Originally posted by Astner
Surfer takes it 10/10 in every battle with the exception of Imperiex, against Imperiex it's 0/10. The main issue being that Imperiex contains and is powered by a Big Bang, which is on a completely different scale than what Surfer has any hopes of dealing with. Galactus would be a better fight for Imperiex.

With the exception of Captain Marvel and Black Adam (who both are too weak to be considered a meaningful threat) the other characters all have notable weaknesses that the Surfer can abuse. The color yellow and blue, technopathy, etc.

Even Robin managed to break Hal Jordan's windpipe (which would've killed him if he didn't recieve emergancy treatment) after painting himself in yellow in All-Star Batman and Robin #9. So that's a very clunky weakness against someone like the Surfer.
All star batman and Robin is an elseworld and non canon, you dingus.

Your idiocy is really something.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It was removed back in like 2005. It's a weakness for newbies, but they get training to remove said weakness.
This is what marvel fans have been reduced to on the forum. Citing an elseworld comic.

yellow weakness was eliminated way back in 2005 after green lantern rebirth

astner clueless as usual

I'm also unsure how the colour blue is a weakness...

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I'm also unsure how the colour blue is a weakness...
Well Sinestro is yellow and Astner sniffs paint chips so blue, voila

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Isn't that yellow weakness no longer valid for Hal?

His pre crisis fta count.

Originally posted by carver9
His pre crisis fta count.
Yeah, but his yellow weakness was removed after the discovery of Parallax

https://ibb.co/Y37qKgj
https://ibb.co/W3Qp4PY

Originally posted by MrMind
I challenge you in a battlezone on this statement
You're looking at eight specific matches.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I'm also unsure how the colour blue is a weakness... Originally posted by abhilegend
Well Sinestro is yellow and Astner sniffs paint chips so blue, voila
I was referring to the color-coded rock-paper-scissors schema introduced in Blackest Night. I thought you'd be aware of it.

Either way, looking back at it technically it refers to the Blue Lanterns, not the color blue.

https://i.imgur.com/yeeX5IYm.jpg

- Blackest Night: Tales of the Corps #1

Originally posted by carver9
His pre crisis fta count.

ok, let's be consistent then. All Pre Crisis heralds in this thread, yes?

Originally posted by Astner
You're looking at eight specific matches.


I was referring to the color-coded rock-paper-scissors schema introduced in Blackest Night. I thought you'd be aware of it.

Either way, looking back at it technically it refers to the Blue Lanterns, not the color blue.

https://i.imgur.com/yeeX5IYm.jpg

- Blackest Night: Tales of the Corps #1

Exactly. It's not the colour blue. I thought you'd be aware of that

Originally posted by Astner
You're looking at eight specific matches.


I was referring to the color-coded rock-paper-scissors schema introduced in Blackest Night. I thought you'd be aware of it.

Either way, looking back at it technically it refers to the Blue Lanterns, not the color blue.

https://i.imgur.com/yeeX5IYm.jpg

- Blackest Night: Tales of the Corps #1
Surfer creates blue Lantern ring from his ass to counter Sinestro with his cosmic awareness?

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Yeah, but his yellow weakness was removed after the discovery of Parallax

https://ibb.co/Y37qKgj
https://ibb.co/W3Qp4PY
This is actually a good case.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Exactly. It's not the colour blue. I thought you'd be aware of that
You didn't even know what I was referring to.

Originally posted by Astner
This is actually a good case.


You didn't even know what I was referring to.

No, because Yellow Lanterns are weak against the Blue Lantern Corps, not the colour blue. So I was unaware why you were bringing up generic colours.

Edit: so are you admitting you were wrong with Hal and the colour yellow?

Originally posted by Astner
You're looking at eight specific matches.



yeah im down with any of of the 8, I'll let you pick 1 of the 8 just to make you comfortable. if you stand by surfer 10/10 statement you made that is

let's do a battlezone

Originally posted by abhilegend
Imperiex prime is a herald? Surfer takes these guys out of 10

Shazam 5/10
Black Adam 3/10
Hal Jordan 1/10
Sinestro 3/10
John Stewart 4/10
Captain Atom 2/10
Eradicator 1/10
Cyborg Superman 1/10
Kinda agree

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
No, because Yellow Lanterns are weak against the Blue Lantern Corps, not the colour blue. So I was unaware why you were bringing up generic colours.
You're not fooling anyone.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
so are you admitting you were wrong with Hal and the colour yellow?
Yes. In the scene qwerty posted, it's made clear that the Lanterns can overcome their weakness by feeling fear and overcoming it.

Originally posted by MrMind
yeah im down with any of of the 8, I'll let you pick 1 of the 8 just to make you comfortable. if you stand by surfer 10/10 statement you made that is

let's do a battlezone
I checked out the battlezone and it seems to be more about talking shit and stirring up drama than engaging in any meaningful debate, which isn't my thing. So I'll decline that offer.

But you're free to post any of the matches in the Versus forum, and I'll check them out.

Originally posted by Astner
You're not fooling anyone.


Yes. In the scene qwerty posted, it's made clear that the Lanterns can overcome their weakness by feeling fear and overcoming it.


I checked out the battlezone and it seems to be more about talking shit and stirring up drama than engaging in any meaningful debate, which isn't my thing. So I'll decline that offer.

But you're free to post any of the matches in the Versus forum, and I'll check them out.

I'm not trying to fool anyone. But then, I don't need to convince you or anyone.

So, about that noncanon scan you tried to pass off in this thread.....did you think All Star Batman is canon? Or do you think it's relevant, even without my point that it's no longer a weakness?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I'm not trying to fool anyone. But then, I don't need to convince you or anyone.
No, you are. You're pretending that you knew of this, and you just couldn't make the mental connection with the color blue and the Blue Lanterns.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So, about that noncanon scan you tried to pass off in this thread.....did you think All Star Batman is canon?
Yes. But apparently it's part of Millar's canon.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Or do you think it's relevant, even without my point that it's no longer a weakness?
You never substantiated your claim. No reference. No scan. And your particular claim is still not substantiated, the scene Qwerty posted from No Fear is not what you referred to.

Sure, if it makes you feel better

Yes, the smiley is deliberate.

So yeah, another point that you're wrong on - it's not canon. It's not even part of the new Multiverse that's just been created. But you referenced it, so that's something I guess....goes to show that just throwing out references willynilly like they mean something is no substitute for actual knowledge.

So to recap:

You're wrong on Hal having a yellow weakness.

You're wrong by using noncanon scans

You're wrong on the generic colour blue being a weakness to Sinestro.

I just like tallying up your wrong points and keeping score to throw back in your face whenever I like. Does it make me a bad debater in your eyes? I don't care, I'll still bring it up and throw it at you.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Sure, if it makes you feel better

Yes, the smiley is deliberate.

So yeah, another point that you're wrong on - it's not canon. It's not even part of the new Multiverse that's just been created. But you referenced it, so that's something I guess....goes to show that just throwing out references willynilly like they mean something is no substitute for actual knowledge.

So to recap:

You're wrong on Hal having a yellow weakness.

You're wrong by using noncanon scans

You're wrong on the generic colour blue being a weakness to Sinestro.

I just like tallying up your wrong points and keeping score to throw back in your face whenever I like. Does it make me a bad debater in your eyes? I don't care, I'll still bring it up and throw it at you.

trademarked by Whirly

You are an inspiration, showing us younguns how it's done.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I'm also unsure how the colour blue is a weakness... Specifically, the colour Big Blue.

It's a weakness shared across all of DC, tbf.

whirley is the perfect example of wisdom don't come with age

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
ok, let's be consistent then. All Pre Crisis heralds in this thread, yes?

Seems like you have a habit of picking and choosing

This blue vs Blue confusion is confusing.
Originally posted by Astner
the other characters all have notable weaknesses that the Surfer can abuse. The color yellow and blue, technopathy, etc.
So are you saying that Surfer can abuse Sinestro's weakness to Blue Lanterns?

Or did you just get the colour and the Lantern Corps confused?

Originally posted by carver9
Seems like you have a habit of picking and choosing

So is that a yes or a no? I'm 100% happy to use Pre Crisis feats, and as I said, that yellow weakness was removed in 2005 (not retconned away, btw - it's called character evolution. Hal DID have the yellow weakness, as did all GLs, but in 2005 they got over it, basically).

So thanks for acknowledging that PC feats count.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
ok, let's be consistent then. All Pre Crisis heralds in this thread, yes?
Carver, hello!