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Superman and Wally start in Metropolis and race to Mars. There's a road leading directly there, but Superman can run or fly.

They're going all out, but no speed steal.

Upon reaching Mars, the winner instantly teleports back to Metropolis and starts racing again. The race ends when both of them have reached Mars once.

So... who wins? By how many laps?

I assume you're using current Superman too, who seems to teleport?

Let's put aside Action Comics 1050

At least until it's clearer whats going on there

But no, no teleporting

Instant translocation for the win.

Concepts like distance and spacetime no longer affect him.

Scroll up Whirly

Just one post above yours...

I will go with Wally!

Originally posted by Smurph
Let's put aside Action Comics 1050

At least until it's clearer whats going on there

But no, no teleporting how can we put that aside Smurph, it's what Abhi and I always knew.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I will go with Wally!
What a shocker 🙄🙄

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I will go with Wally!

Originally posted by Smurph
By how many laps?

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
how can we put that aside Smurph, it's what Abhi and I always knew. Just let the dust settle on that showing. And, any tactics that involve holes in space time are not allowed by the thread stips. It's a race.

Originally posted by Smurph
Just let the dust settle on that showing. And, any tactics that involve holes in space time are not allowed by the thread stips. It's a race. Surely though, the road is now shorter for Superman and longer for Wally if Kal wishes? It's never going to settle on that we have the Superman to beat Goku coming.

Wally

How many laps? Hmmm, Probably not a full lap IMO

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Surely though, the road is now shorter for Superman and longer for Wally if Kal wishes? It's never going to settle on that we have the Superman to beat Goku coming. Idk Whirly, sure seems like you're avoiding the basic premise of the thread

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I assume you're using current Superman too, who seems to teleport? I thought you were joking at first. Then I read the AC issue.

...As if Supes wasn't OP enough, lol.

Originally posted by Galan007
I thought you were joking at first. Then I read the AC issue.

...As if Supes wasn't OP enough, lol. Heretic, Supes can never be overpowered. I long for Rainbows with date on again.

Originally posted by Galan007
I thought you were joking at first. Then I read the AC issue.

...As if Supes wasn't OP enough, lol.

Your powers are weak, old man.

https://media.tenor.com/mpx-64ksDPAAAAAC/star-wars-yoda.gif

Originally posted by Smurph
Let's put aside Action Comics 1050

At least until it's clearer whats going on there

But no, no teleporting


Besides that, Flash speed left teleportation behind way back.


Wally specifically I believe.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Exactly Or perhaps I am focussing on the premise completely The premise being who travels the spatial distance first one can enter the speedforce and will, the other distances no longer have meaning to... Nah.

Supes can't abridge the distance just like Wally can't speed steal. No using timespace powers to rig the race. It's just a race.

It will be one lap. They are both faster than teleports so even is it’s instant, the other will be at mars by the time the winner is teleported back to earth.

Both got crazy insane speed feats, I’m gonna go with Superman flying and winning by his outstretched finger tips .

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Exactly Or perhaps I am focussing on the premise completely The premise being who travels the spatial distance first one can enter the speedforce and will, the other distances no longer have meaning to... I wish they had added speed with distance in his dialogue lol.

Originally posted by cdtm
An abstract who got his ass kicked by Dwayne Johnson and his B listers. 😆 okay.

Originally posted by Diesldude
It will be one lap. They are both faster than teleports so even is it’s instant, the other will be at mars by the time the winner is teleported back to earth.

Both got crazy insane speed feats, I’m gonna go with Superman flying and winning by his outstretched finger tips . There's no time delay between finishing one lap and beginning the second. Just consider it a race to Mars on loop. Mario Kart style.

Originally posted by Diesldude
It will be one lap. They are both faster than teleports so even is it’s instant, the other will be at mars by the time the winner is teleported back to earth.

Both got crazy insane speed feats, I’m gonna go with Superman flying and winning by his outstretched finger tips .


When did Superman outrace a teleport?

Originally posted by Diesldude
okay.

If everyone acted like that in response to a troll, I probably wouldn't bother trolling.


Touche sir.

It also gets iffy as Wally can casually go so fast he time travels, so he can finish the race before it starts......

But Space/time means nothing to Supes, it's quite possible he can too now. We will see, remember precrisis he could, incredibly casually, I remember a fight with Sathanus where he phased between moments to avoid mystic bolts for instance. Classic, hopefully all coming back.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
But Space/time means nothing to Supes, it's quite possible he can too now. We will see, remember precrisis he could, incredibly casually, I remember a fight with Sathanus where he phased between moments to avoid mystic bolts for instance. Classic, hopefully all coming back.

Yeah, but Smurph is using a version of Supes that hasn't shown the abilities he showcased in Action Comic #1050.

Of course, if all comics are on the table (he can clarify), including PC comics (but just not AC #1050), then it will be interesting.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yeah, but Smurph is using a version of Supes that hasn't shown the abilities he showcased in Action Comic #1050.

Of course, if all comics are on the table (he can clarify), including PC comics (but just not AC #1050), then it will be interesting. the thing is, all supes is canon now.

Originally posted by ODG
All this wasted effort to cling to some 1962 story with scenes like this:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Random/Legion01.jpg

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It also gets iffy as Wally can casually go so fast he time travels, so he can finish the race before it starts......
Both Superman and Supergirl travelled in time just recently in Worlds Finest.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Both Superman and Supergirl travelled in time just recently in Worlds Finest. Haven't read it, was it the old rainbow effect with dates on? I damn well hope so!

Unfortunately not

Originally posted by Diesldude
2011 New 52 Red Hood and the outlaws #14


Bottom of this post.


How was that outracing teleportation?

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
How was that outracing teleportation?
He was near pluto when they teleported to Earth,he flew after that and he reached Earth before them. Easy to deduct he outflew teleportation.

How do we know he got there before them?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
How do we know he got there before them? I thought he was there and was waiting for them to finish their conversation. But he started after, and had to track and follow them.

Imo: he pretty clearly arrives after they do. They have a conversation as if he isn't there, then while Arsenal is talking about how it'll take over a week for Supes to find them, his sentence drops off... because Superman just showed up.

And for Superman's arrival, there are little blur/speed lines around the edge of the panel, as if he's just zoomed in. Like a warp speed visual effect.

So I think Philo was right to say "overcomes teleportation" because he basically neuters their escape strategy... but "overcome" is different than "outrace"

Hell if I was like a Surfer fan I'd claim that Superman searched entire Earth at superspeed to locate the outlaws.

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Originally posted by abhilegend
That's not as simple, the teleportation was cloaked from him so he couldn't know the location he needed to go. He arrived earlier and moved to their location once they arrived. Or he flew to Earth and, while flying, used his senses to deduce where they ported to.

It's not like he's an actual idiot who can't move and listen at the same time.

Originally posted by Smurph
Or he flew to Earth and, while flying, used his senses to deduce where they ported to.

It's not like he's an actual idiot who can't move and listen at the same time.
The teleportation was cloaked, he could not tell where they landed.

He must've searched entire Earth to locate them, physically of course.

Originally posted by abhilegend
The teleportation was cloaked, he could not tell where they landed.

He must've searched entire Earth to locate them, physically of course. So you're saying that he got to the island after they did

Cool, glad we agree

I think he made a pitstop at the Sun beforehand. Not shown, of course, but you can't prove otherwise.

Edit: then, sundipped, flew to Earth to get the cosmic treadmill.

Originally posted by Smurph
So you're saying that he got to the island after they did

Cool, glad we agree
Nothing to do with the speed of teleport, its because they were cloaked.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I think he made a pitstop at the Sun beforehand. Not shown, of course, but you can't prove otherwise.

Edit: then, sundipped, flew to Earth to get the cosmic treadmill.
Not enough condescending, you need to add some swipe at Superman fans coping or something.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Hell if I was like a Surfer fan I'd claim that Superman searched entire Earth at superspeed to locate the outlaws.

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The infamous "I searched the planet" scene. That is such a goofy argument from them.


Because Norrin doesn't have cosmic senses and couldn't have simply scanned the planet sitting there, Occam's what?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Nothing to do with the speed of teleport, its because they were cloaked. I agree. Him locating them despite their cloak says nothing about the speed of the teleport.

Isn't teleportation usually instant by definition?

It's.....not usable here lol.

Originally posted by cdtm
Isn't teleportation usually instant by definition? Nah

How many times have people anticipated Kurt's teleport before he arrives?

Alternatively, even zeta beams need to reach their destination, albeit quickly

I think teleportation is usually "nigh instantaneous" but the "nigh" part is where this thread lives

Originally posted by Smurph
I agree. Him locating them despite their cloak says nothing about the speed of the teleport.
Huh?

Originally posted by Smurph
Nah

How many times have people anticipated Kurt's teleport before he arrives?

Alternatively, even zeta beams need to reach their destination, albeit quickly

I think teleportation is usually "nigh instantaneous" but the "nigh" part is where this thread lives
Zeta beams are instantaneous though

Originally posted by abhilegend
Zeta beams are instantaneous though fair I mis-remembered the dialogue from Superman's feat of tracking the zeta beam

So, correcting my answer to Todd: it depends on the means of teleportation

Originally posted by abhilegend
Huh? Just agreeing with you /shrug

He got to the island after they did. Seems like we're on the same page now.

I thought one COULD outrace Zeta beams; you just needed to be FTL.

How big of a unit is an instant? In an instant the assailant was on Nayland Smiths back...

Pretty sure they already ARE ftl. I mean they cross galaxies or more.


You'd need to be a Flash, not just any old ftler.

Is the no ftl on Earth still a thing?

Originally posted by cdtm
Is the no ftl on Earth still a thing?
Not sure about now but that was 10 years ago.

Not sure why he can't just have....flown from Pluto to Earth after they arrived on Earth?

As in, what makes this a wrong interpretation?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I thought one COULD outrace Zeta beams; you just needed to be FTL.
I guess that depends on if we're talking about the beams themselves(I.E, before hitting the target and starting the teleportation) or the teleportation the beams create

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yeah. Phildo is many things, but he's very careful with his choice of words (he's been this way ever since he got cuckolded by a librarian with a dictionary). Hence Superman 'overpowers' teleportation.
Overcomes.

As in, he was overcome by that librarian.

I wasn't the cuckold, so am free with my word choices.

In unrelated news, does anyone want a library card?

Originally posted by Smurph
So I think Philo was right to say "overcomes teleportation" because he basically neuters their escape strategy... but "overcome" is different than "outrace" Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yeah. Phildo is many things, but he's very careful with his choice of words (he's been this way ever since he got cuckolded by a librarian with a dictionary). Hence Superman 'overpowers' teleportation. It's funny because I did, in fact, intentionally formulate it like that, because I do think at best it's up to interpretation whether he raced the teleportation itself . Still -- in moments scanning their cloaked location and travelling from Pluto is good.

Originally posted by Smurph
Overcomes.

As in, he was overcome by that librarian. He used cloaking beyond even my senses.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yeah. Phildo is many things, but he's very careful with his choice of words (he's been this way ever since he got cuckolded by a librarian with a dictionary). Hence Superman 'overpowers' teleportation.



I just remembered that JLA story where Adam Strange kidnapped the JLA to help him against the Entarans:
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/uploads/original/11139/111391893/8249465-4267004-jla21%281998%29%2Csupermanslowerthanlight.jpg
Yeah, I was thinking you were referring to that scene, so I made the difference about the beams themselves and the teleportation they create

Because in the same story, Rann was stated to be at Alpha Centauri system( about 4 lightyears from the Earth)

And Zeta Beams( or rather, it's teleportation effect) returns Adam to the Earth instantaneously
https://imgur.com/A4Jf5r1

https://imgur.com/eJsTbs5
https://imgur.com/Fa3miq8

Originally posted by Smurph
Just agreeing with you /shrug

He got to the island after they did. Seems like we're on the same page now.
Only because they were cloaked. You're taking it as he was slower than the teleportation.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Yeah, I was thinking you were referring to that scene, so I made the difference about the beams themselves and the teleportation they create

Because in the same story, Rann was stated to be at Alpha Centauri system( about 4 lightyears from the Earth)

And Zeta Beams( or rather, it's teleportation effect) returns Adam to the Earth instantaneously
https://imgur.com/A4Jf5r1

https://imgur.com/eJsTbs5
https://imgur.com/Fa3miq8
Adam also took Superman to 100 trillion lightyears away instantly.

https://i.postimg.cc/SXj8Rs20/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/hhpdnWqz/image.jpg

Originally posted by abhilegend
Only because they were cloaked. You're taking it as he was slower than the teleportation. I'm saying you don't have proof that he was faster than the teleportation. The fact is he didn't race the teleportation at all.

You have no way to compare the speeds and say which was faster.

He arrived right after the outlaws did and left pluto after they teleported, of course he raced the teleportation.

Whether or not he outraced it, that's the question.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
How was that outracing teleportation?

It's inconclusive.

Originally posted by Smurph
I disagree. As Philo put it:
Philo is wrong uhuh

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I just remembered that JLA story where Adam Strange kidnapped the JLA to help him against the Entarans:
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/uploads/original/11139/111391893/8249465-4267004-jla21%281998%29%2Csupermanslowerthanlight.jpg Let's not pretend Superman cannot fly FTL.

Using this one scene in contravention of all the scenes he's been shown to fly FTL is dumber than arguing all pre-Crisis feats are valid.

Originally posted by ODG
Let's not pretend Superman cannot fly FTL.

Using this one scene in contravention of all the scenes he's been shown to fly FTL is dumber than arguing all pre-Crisis feats are valid.

Cool. Except that's not why I posted it:

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I thought one COULD outrace Zeta beams; you just needed to be FTL.
It was for a different point entirely. But agree, the argument that you are arguing against is indeed dumb, people really shouldn't make it.