Superman vs Gorr, Old King Thor, Young Thor

ODG

Originally posted by MrMind
concession accepted I must concede you are an idiot. The evidence is rather overwhelming. Originally posted by cdtm
Why though? These things did happen.

He also overpowered Imperiex powered Warworld.

I'd add he was one of a handful of characters to reverse Emperor Jokers reality warps (The League likewise did it, before falling in a direct attack). Hal Jordan Spectre and Darkseid were easily nullified, Superman was warped and resisted, repeatedly. Are you trying to suggest that Superman punching World Forger in the face created shockwaves that reverberated so violently they (i) cratered the planet, (ii) destroyed his crisis anvil, (iii) didn't kill the Justice League, but (iv) directly destroyed a multiverse...

https://media.tenor.com/bG4qBl2HPyUAAAAd/everyone-in-this-room-is-now-dumber-for-having-listened-to-it.gif

He did indeed overpower Warworld's engines. If you want to equate the force output of those engines to that of a Big Bang, then may God have mercy on your soul.

MrMind

WF was about to strike down the hammer and replace current multiverse with new multiverse he created

that anvil contained the multiverse world forger created

do you wanna double down on your stupidity, autism child?

cdtm

Originally posted by ODG
I must concede you are an idiot. The evidence is rather overwhelming. Are you trying to suggest that Superman punching World Forger in the face created shockwaves that reverberated so violently they (i) cratered the planet, (ii) destroyed his crisis anvil, (iii) didn't kill the Justice League, but (iv) directly destroyed a multiverse...

https://media.tenor.com/bG4qBl2HPyUAAAAd/everyone-in-this-room-is-now-dumber-for-having-listened-to-it.gif

He did indeed overpower Warworld's engines. If you want to equate the force output of those engines to that of a Big Bang, then may God have mercy on your soul.

So how do you read that scene?

ODG

Originally posted by MrMind
WF was about to strike down the hammer and replace current multiverse with new multiverse he created

that anvil contained the multiverse world forger created This doesn't change anything of what I've said. Good on you to understand context (sorta). Bad on you to try to leave it out when it suits your distorted myth. Originally posted by MrMind
do you wanna double down on your stupidity, autism child? https://media.tenor.com/nDebiHMduM4AAAAC/kobe-bryant-u-mad.gif

ODG

Originally posted by cdtm
So how do you read that scene? The most sensical way I figured was the destruction of the crisis anvil "unmoored" World Forger's replacement multiverse leaving it nowhere to manifest, thus "destroyed". Given the crisis anvil was directly manifested by Mxy's energies though, I could also accept that destroying the crisis anvil caused those energies contained within it to destroy the replacement multiverse as well.

cdtm

What about knocking WF down, how do you rate that?

ODG

^ In the same vein as Quasar disintegrating IG Thanos' head, Superman blowing through Soulfire Darkseid, and Thor staggering multiversal Chaos King?

Unquantifiable. Might as well try to rate the Flashmobile that John Stewart drove into the Ultra-Monitor to separate them.

cdtm

Originally posted by ODG
^ In the same vein as Quasar disintegrating IG Thanos' head, Superman blowing through Soulfire Darkseid, and Thor staggering multiversal Chaos King?

Unquantifiable. Might as well try to rate the Flashmobile that John Stewart drove into the Ultra-Monitor to separate them.

Interesting. Can't really argue that's unfair tbh.

Ok then, just to establish a baseline that is quantifiable, what about the "Super leap" that broke a moon while on empty? Was is a genuine moon busting feat?

ODG

^ That was planetary. It looked like a barren moon but I'm pretty sure it was described as a planet. I'm hard-pressed to think of any other planet-busting feat Superman's had other than that one. And more impressively, he did it while massively weakened.

cdtm

And off tangent, your ability to criticize everyone makes me jealous.

I got greedy, I wanted to be a troll and be taken seriously at the same time. Why can't we have BOTH.

ODG

^ I try to criticize arguments. It's a fault of mine to make it personal in any way.

I still don't understand how Superman got so weakened so quickly. Just because there's no sunlight doesn't mean Superman should be drained so drastically that he cannot even break orbit without going for broke.

abhilegend

Originally posted by ODG
^ In the same vein as Quasar disintegrating IG Thanos' head, Superman blowing through Soulfire Darkseid, and Thor staggering multiversal Chaos King?

laughing out loud

TheManWhoLaughs

Superman wins easily

qwertyuiop1998

Originally posted by abhilegend
laughing out loud

The bias is unpalatable.

https://i.postimg.cc/3d4VQhrm/image.jpg

"This multiverse is my masterpiece".

https://s7d4.turboimg.net/sp/38783a09059696ce11765686ffe11078/Justice_League_2018-_025-023.jpg

"My masterpiece, you destroyed it".

Thorbags are retarded, proven yet again.
Originally posted by Galan007
It really is cut and dry.

Earlier in the arc World Forger stated that once his Hammer was lit, all he had to do was strike the Crisis Anvil, and *poof*, his multiverse would instantly replace the existing one:
https://i.imgur.com/jN0ET4j.jpg

Cut to this issue, and World Forger's Hammer is lit:
https://i.imgur.com/lU3wRvS.jpg

His Crisis Anvil is fully formed:
https://i.imgur.com/N7Lg0Jr.jpg

He was literally in the process of striking the Anvil and replacing multiverses:
https://i.imgur.com/i3XUGbm.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/uCKx4pJ.jpg

But before his swing connects, Superman punches him and destroys the Anvil:
http://i.imgur.com/qEav0A5m.jpg http://i.imgur.com/i9gQGJMm.jpg http://i.imgur.com/34XZ2Wgm.jpg
*In the last scan you can actually see reality being shattered.

Cut to World Forger stating that his multiverse collapsed:
https://i.imgur.com/wKyuQix.jpg

Simple logic is simple.

ODG

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
This doesn't change anything of what I've said. Good on you to understand context (sorta). Bad on you to try to leave it out when it suits your distorted myth.

Whoa, deja vu???

qwertyuiop1998

Originally posted by ODG
This doesn't change anything of what I've said. Good on you to understand context (sorta). Bad on you to try to leave it out when it suits your distorted myth.

Whoa, deja vu???
Yeah, I guess it was like I was trying to pass a scan to say Flash used Speed Formula to *actually* stop time in Flash 91

Oh, wait.

Edit:
Actually, you didn't even post a scan, you just cited a issue number and made up a myth that Wally actually stopped time in Flash 91

ODG

^ English? Do you speak it?

qwertyuiop1998

Originally posted by ODG
^ English? Do you speak it?
https://i.ibb.co/fnNG5Cd/18.jpg

ODG

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/SleepyDeliciousIndianpangolin-max-1mb.gif

Not the first time a poster has been reduced to utter non sequitur and stupified into complete silence.

I haven't even used that username in what... 10 years??? Well before you joined the forum. Who are you a resentful sock of? Keeping in mind, you've had to hold that resentment for a decade...

laughing out loud

qwertyuiop1998

Originally posted by ODG
https://thumbs.gfycat.com/SleepyDeliciousIndianpangolin-max-1mb.gif

Not the first time a poster has been reduced to utter non sequitur and stupified into complete silence.

I haven't even used that username in what... 10 years??? Well before you joined the forum. Who are you a resentful sock of? Keeping in mind, you've had to hold that resentment for a decade...

laughing out loud

Because....you have no actual proofs in this thread

Besides such as
"hey, I don't like it so I made my own conjectures in here to dismiss it. Oh,and you're lying, and your English sucks"

So why should I take you more seriously than a troll?

For example

Originally posted by ODG
The most sensical way I figured was the destruction of the crisis anvil "unmoored" World Forger's replacement multiverse leaving it nowhere to manifest, thus "destroyed". Given the crisis anvil was directly manifested by Mxy's energies though, I could also accept that destroying the crisis anvil caused those energies contained within it to destroy the replacement multiverse as well.
1: Nowhere in the comics explicitly state it
2: In your first conjecture,if you're implying the Multiverse WF created wasn't actually destroyed/didn't actually cease to exist, then not only the Multiverse was stated to be collapsed( https://i.imgur.com/wKyuQix.jpg ) later bio also states that reality no longer existed ( https://ibb.co/0V9MCYg )

TL;DR

You're basically just saying you have some speculations(and one possibly contradicts on panel statement and bios),but have no explicit evidence to support it

Edit:
Also no, lol, I didn't join the forum until 2018. But just a few discussions with you in the past made me think I shouldn't waste too much time and energy in debating you

ODG

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Because....you have no actual proofs in this thread

Besides such as
"hey, I don't like it so I made my own conjectures in here to dismiss it. Oh,and you're lying, and your English sucks"

So why should I take you more seriously than a troll? This doesn't actually address that you're a sock with a decade's worth of resentment but, well... I suppose you wouldn't try to address that. Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
For example

1: Nowhere in the comics explicitly state it
2: In your first conjecture,if you're implying the Multiverse WF created wasn't actually destroyed/didn't actually cease to exist, then not only the Multiverse was stated to be collapsed( https://i.imgur.com/wKyuQix.jpg ) later bio also states that reality no longer existed ( https://ibb.co/0V9MCYg ) I did say WF's multiverse was destroyed? Who are you arguing with? Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
TL;DR

You're basically just saying you have some speculations(and one possibly contradicts on panel statement and bios),but have no explicit evidence to support it But Superman's punch reverberating violently enough to destroy an entire multiverse but spare the Justice League isn't speculative reaching.

https://media.tenor.com/m41byj9D0ccAAAAd/okay-sure.gif

qwertyuiop1998

Originally posted by ODG
This doesn't actually address that you're a sock with a decade's worth of resentment but, well... I suppose you wouldn't try to address that.

Actually, I addressed. But to be fair it was after I edited it. But of course I think we can contact mods run an IP test and...if you're proven wrong, what are you going to do with that smile

?

Originally posted by ODG
I did say WF's multiverse was destroyed? Who are you arguing with?
And I did say it is a possibility. Guess you can't speak English, right?

Also, you didn't address the other(and main) point I made...that you don't have any explicit evidence, just your speculations

Originally posted by ODG
But Superman's punch reverberating violently enough to destroy an entire multiverse but spare the Justice League isn't speculative reaching.

https://media.tenor.com/m41byj9D0ccAAAAd/okay-sure.gif
And? Are you trying to argue collateral damage?

qwertyuiop1998

Also, this discussion is indeed a deja vu lol
Originally posted by Galan007
What are you even arguing here?

Snyder's only objective was making Superman powerful enough to drop World Forger, and collapse his multiverse in order to prevent him from trying these same antics again. Superman's punch conveniently accomplished both.

Did you honestly expect the shockwaves from Superman's punch to kill everyone around him as well? It's not *just* a battleboard feat, dude -- it's a comic book, first and foremost. Something like that(ie. Superman inadvertently killing all of his friends/allies) was never going to happen, and certainly does not diminish the feat(s) Superman preformed there.

ODG

^ Galan007 is not immune to making retarded statements. Given that the alternate multiversal versions of the Justice League were vaporized but the actual Justice League weren't vaporized suggests that there was some macguffin that allowed that to happen, i.e., the cosmic anvil.

Let me know when you want to argue with me directly instead of hiding behind your teacher's skirt. Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Actually, I addressed. But to be fair it was after I edited it. But of course I think we can contact mods run an IP test and...if you're proven wrong, what are you going to do with that smile

? Given that I've had multiple IP addresses but wouldn't know a poster's decade old username, I'd do nothing but stay with the same conclusion. But go ahead, ask a mod if your IP address matches any past poster. Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
And I did say it is a possibility. Guess you can't speak English, right?

Also, you didn't address the other(and main) point I made...that you don't have any explicit evidence, just your speculations

And? You're not even addressing what I posted. Moreover, you're pretending to have posted something different. Are you trying to rewrite the course of our discussion again?

Is that your go-to approach when you can't continue arguing in a constructive manner?

Am I supposed to utterly deconstruct this WF punch feat as opposed to simply point out the feckin obvious?

qwertyuiop1998

Originally posted by ODG
Given that I've had multiple IP addresses but wouldn't know a poster's decade old username, I'd do nothing but stay with the same conclusion. But go ahead, ask a mod if your IP address matches any past poster. You're no even addressing what I posted. Moreover, you're pretending to have posted something different. Are you trying to rewrite the course of our discussion again?

Is that your go-to approach when you can't continue arguing in a constructive manner?

Am I supposed to utterly deconstruct this WF punch feat as opposed to simply point out the feckin obvious?
Because you just need one click and *anyone* can see your previous username? smile

https://i.ibb.co/VDzgFr4/20.jpg

Sure, we can ask Galan or Pr to do that. But I want you to (at least) give me an apology for denigrating me

Again, what is your point that worth addressing, when there is no evidence?

Like holding a (even one of mods said that) hilarious stance to dismiss that feat?

Edit for your edit:

Or because it's a trope that we saw it happen all the time in comics? For example: Flashes race destroying the Multiverse but the Earth didn't get destroyed in the process

ODG

^ Page-breaking nub. Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Because you just need one click and *anyone* can see your previous username? smile

https://i.ibb.co/VDzgFr4/20.jpg

Sure, we can ask Galan or Pr to do that. But I want you to (at least) give me an apology for denigrating me How ironic this is the same excuse that other socks have used.

Is it supposed to be less embarrassing that you're so resentful you researched my profile in the hopes of finding something useful to insult me than just being a sock? Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Again, what is your point that worth addressing, when there is no evidence?

Like holding a (even one of mods said that) hilarious stance to dismiss that feat? Trying to pretend the shoe is on the other foot isn't a winning strategy, son.

But I understand that's all you're reduced to. Consider yourself informed.

qwertyuiop1998

Originally posted by ODG
^ Page-breaking nub. How ironic this is the same excuse that other socks have used. Trying to pretend the shoe is on the other foot isn't a winning strategy, son.

But I understand that's all you're reduced to. Consider yourself informed.
So again, no proof that I'm a sock just your (bias) speculations?

Much like your WF's argument I suppose.

And yes, I guess I'm well informed how you roll

ODG

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
So again, no proof that I'm a sock just your (bias) speculations?

Much like your WF's argument I suppose. If some random poster started insulting Philosophia in a thread by making fun of his old Erik Lensherr username, I'd think he was a sock. Because seriously... why would any random poster be desperate enough to resort to researching a profile for innocuous ammo to insult them with? But you do you.

Because Superman annihilating a multiverse w/ a punch shockwave, along with the alternate multiversal Justice League, but only leaving a crater in a planet and the actual Justice League intact who were right next to them is speculation? That's what happened on-panel.

Ain't no way to read comics, boy. Not unless you have some crudely immature agenda over fictional characters.

DarkSaint85

But.....plot armour exists in comics, right? The Beyonder fired off a blast that would have destroyed a billion million multiverses or whatever - but it didn't even singe the curtains, as an example; the Frost King fired off blasts that GLs needed shields against, but Batman just turns his back on ; Superman and Doomsday throw punches that blow windows out and register on seismographs around the world, but Lois and Jimmy are next to them etc etc

Probably shit examples, but my point is still there

qwertyuiop1998

Originally posted by ODG
If some random poster started insulting Philosophia in a thread by making fun of his old Erik Lensherr username, I'd think he was a sock. Because seriously... why would any random poster be desperate enough to resort to researching a profile for innocuous ammo to insult them with? But you do you.

Because Superman annihilating a multiverse w/ a punch shockwave, along with the alternate multiversal Justice League, but only leaving a crater in a planet and the actual Justice League intact who were right next to them is speculation? That's what happened on-panel.
Because you first accusing me for lying and mocking my English?

And ironically, you also don't like it, but when the positions switched, you accuse me a sock account, ok smile

So collateral damage, ok

Originally posted by Galan007
But that's not the point.

In that scene there was literally zero collateral damage to Owen's apartment, despite the blast itself being powerful enough to destroy several billion entire dimensions:
https://i.ibb.co/h7sL0JY/24.jpg

So only trying to gauge the blast's potency based on the amount of collateral damage it caused would be faulty in that instance.

Here is another example...

A blast from Galactus actually harmed Thanos to an extent, despite ALL the defensive shielding of his ship being in place:
https://i.ibb.co/7N9Mjxm/Thanos-2003-2004-005-007.jpg https://i.ibb.co/ZNvPjYC/Thanos-2003-2004-005-008.jpg
...But the blast only caused very minor collateral damage to their surroundings(a small circular crater beneath Thanos, is all.)

Yet in the very same series, Thanos himself(without the aid of his ship's shielding) outright tanked the close-range planetary destruction of a gas giant without skipping a beat:
https://i.ibb.co/WFbXtvp/Thanos-2003-2004-012-017.jpg https://i.ibb.co/QNHLg0d/Thanos-2003-2004-012-018.jpg https://i.ibb.co/9ck1q3P/Thanos-2003-2004-012-020.jpg

So despite a lack of collateral damage in the first scene, we can still infer that the potency of Galactus's blast would have been =/> the explosion of the gas giant that Thanos tanked a few issues later.

tl;dr
Collateral damage is not always a reliable measuring stick when it comes to gauging the potency of energy attacks and such. Makes perfect sense that higher-end reality/energy manipulators would be able to concentrate and contain their attacks so that they still retain full potency, without causing any unwanted 'bleed-over' to their surroundings(ie. collateral damage.)

Plus, You literally get a scene that depicted Superman and Doomsday's shockwaves were destroying their surroundings, Which should be able to kill lois and others by your logic
https://ibb.co/MCQK1v8

qwertyuiop1998

And
Originally posted by abhilegend
https://readcomicsonline.ru/uploads/manga/avengers-assemble-alpha-2022/chapters/1/24.jpg

https://readcomicsonline.ru/uploads/manga/avengers-assemble-alpha-2022/chapters/1/25.jpg

https://readcomicsonline.ru/uploads/manga/avengers-assemble-alpha-2022/chapters/1/26.jpg

laughing out loud

Odin and full Odinforce Thor gets koed by a country level level explosion.

https://readcomicsonline.ru/uploads/manga/avengers-assemble-alpha-2022/chapters/1/12.jpg

https://readcomicsonline.ru/uploads/manga/avengers-assemble-alpha-2022/chapters/1/13.jpg

Double lol
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
That same blast doesn't do any more damage to Nighthawk and Cap, lol.

Team books, amirite?

ODG

^ Page-breaking nub.

If there were random characters who were as durable as the Avengers standing around completely unaffected by that Mjolnir clash and some random cosmic cube attuned to a multiverse that were destroyed, you'd have something similar to the WF scene.

As it stands, you don't. The desperation is palpable. Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But.....plot armour exists in comics, right? The Beyonder fired off a blast that would have destroyed a billion million multiverses or whatever - but it didn't even singe the curtains, as an example; the Frost King fired off blasts that GLs needed shields against, but Batman just turns his back on ; Superman and Doomsday throw punches that blow windows out and register on seismographs around the world, but Lois and Jimmy are next to them etc etc

Probably shit examples, but my point is still there The presence of collateral damage is meaningful. It's absence isn't.

But if you're trying to argue collateral damage was responsible for a feat whilst ignoring that collateral damage selectively did not affect other things, you've got a problem, son.

At the impact of Superman's punch, we saw the alternate multiversal Justice League be destroyed. They were in direct H2H combat and proximity with the actual Justice League. We're supposed to believe Superman's punch's collateral damage obliterated them, didn't touch the Justice League and then went on to obliterate an entire multiverse? Selective plot armor + an inconceivably exponentially greater scope of punching power is more realistic to explain that stark contrast than the simply convenient plot device of the crisis anvil being destroyed?

Let's not be stupid about this. Feat-fishing is one thing. Ignoring the glaringly obvious is just insulting.

qwertyuiop1998

Originally posted by ODG
^ Page-breaking nub.

If there were random characters who were as durable as the Avengers standing around completely unaffected by that Mjolnir clash and some random cosmic cube attuned to a multiverse that were destroyed, you'd have something similar to the WF scene.

As it stands, you don't. The desperation is palpable. The presence of collateral damage is meaningful. It's absence isn't.

But if you're trying to argue collateral damage was responsible for a feat whilst ignoring that collateral damage selectively did not affect other things, you've got a problem, son.

At the impact of Superman's punch, we saw the alternate multiversal Justice League be destroyed. They were in direct H2H combat and proximity with the actual Justice League. We're supposed to believe Superman's punch's collateral damage obliterated them, didn't touch the Justice League and then went on to obliterate an entire multiverse? Selective plot armor + an inconceivably exponentially greater scope of punching power is more realistic to explain that stark contrast than the simply convenient plot device of the crisis anvil being destroyed?

Let's not be stupid about this. Feat-fishing is one thing. Ignoring the glaringly obvious is just insulting.
Hmm, such anally strict demands...it almost like saying "this Superman's feat is definitely not the way it was stated in the comics, although I don't have any explicit evidence to disprove it"

You want to argue shockwaves should kill others. We have Day of Doom where we saw Superman and Doomsday' fight were creating explosions and destroying its surroundings, yet, Lois and others stand right around them( as shown in DoS) wasn't affected

You want ot argue scope, Flashes' race were destroying the Multiverse, yet the Earth remains largely unaffected etc

Edit:
Also here, Superman and Jaxon generated enough energy to restore infinite timelines, yet didn't kill anyone there

https://ibb.co/PGdjW6d
https://ibb.co/tJpfd1T
https://ibb.co/VgcvfFN
https://ibb.co/9HPYZRb
https://ibb.co/MGxGv4B
https://ibb.co/94FzqYn
https://ibb.co/R76QcRr
https://ibb.co/Pjm28mt
https://ibb.co/3swGJxZ

ODG

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Hmm, such anally strict demands...it almost like saying "this Superman's feat is definitely not the way it was stated in the comics, although I don't have any explicit evidence to disprove it" I actually did disprove it given the alternate multiversal Justice League were obliterated but not the actual Justice League who were standing right next to them, unless they alla sudden have multiversal durability...

... whatever is necessary to aggrandize a Superman feat, eh? Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
You want to argue shockwaves should kill others. We have Day of Doom where we saw Superman and Doomsday' fight were creating explosions and destroying its surroundings, yet, Lois and others stand right around them( as shown in DoS) wasn't affected If there were some alternate Perry White and Cat Grant standing next them who were vaporized while Lois Lane and Jimmy Olsen were unharmed, I'd think there were some plot device responsible. As it stands, we had the crisis anvil in the scene we're speaking of. But ignore the convenient plot device, sure...

... whatever is necessary to inflate a Superman feat, eh? Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
You want ot argue scope, Flashes' race were destroying the Multiverse, yet the Earth remains largely unaffected etc How tiresomely quick Superfanboys are to reach to Flash as if that somehow reverse-inflated Superman's own feats. Jebus, if it weren't such a consistent trait amongst ya'll, it'd be a caricature.

Superman... the other Speedforce-user that never actually used the Speedforce. roll eyes (sarcastic)

qwertyuiop1998

Originally posted by ODG
I actually did disprove it given the alternate multiversal Justice League were obliterated but not eh actual Justice League.
Because? I also could say that is plot armor that always happens in comics history.

For example:
Superman and Jaxon generated enough energy to restore infinite timelines, yet didn't kill anyone there

https://ibb.co/PGdjW6d
https://ibb.co/tJpfd1T
https://ibb.co/VgcvfFN
https://ibb.co/9HPYZRb
https://ibb.co/MGxGv4B
https://ibb.co/94FzqYn
https://ibb.co/R76QcRr
https://ibb.co/Pjm28mt
https://ibb.co/3swGJxZ

Originally posted by ODG

... whatever is necessary to aggrandize a Superman feat, eh? If there were some alternate Perry White and Cat Grant vaporized while Lois Lane and Jimmy Olsen were unharmed, I'd think there were some plot device responsible. As it stands, we had the crisis anvil in the scene we're speaking of.

How tiresomely quick Superfanboys are to reach to Flash as if that were to reverse-inflate Superman's own feats. roll eyes (sarcastic)

And as it stands, you didn't provide any proof that crisis anvil is responsible for Superman destroying WF's Multiverse

DarkSaint85

qwertyuiop1998

https://ibb.co/PGdjW6d
https://ibb.co/tJpfd1T
https://ibb.co/VgcvfFN
https://ibb.co/9HPYZRb
https://ibb.co/MGxGv4B
https://ibb.co/94FzqYn
https://ibb.co/R76QcRr
https://ibb.co/Pjm28mt
https://ibb.co/3swGJxZ

ODG

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Well...yeah. Superman and Doomsday punched each other hard enough to blow windows out, cause seismograph readings...but completely unaffected Lois. Selective collateral damage. And if an alternate Perry White and Cat Grant were shredded to pieces whilst Lois Lane and Jimmy Olsen were completely unharmed, I'd think there were some plot device at play.

ODG

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Because? I also could say that is plot armor that always happens in comics history.

For example:
Superman and Jaxon generated enough energy to restore infinite timelines, yet didn't kill anyone there

https://ibb.co/PGdjW6d
https://ibb.co/tJpfd1T
https://ibb.co/VgcvfFN
https://ibb.co/9HPYZRb
https://ibb.co/MGxGv4B
https://ibb.co/94FzqYn
https://ibb.co/R76QcRr
https://ibb.co/Pjm28mt
https://ibb.co/3swGJxZ I appreciate you not breaking the page anymore (too late), but I can't actually read these scans that appear to be pre-Crisis from the tiny images I see. Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
And as it stands, you didn't provide any proof that crisis anvil is responsible for Superman destroying WF's Multiverse Ignoring the dispositive evidence isn't going to make it go away. Let's not actually read the comic. Let's gloss over it to distort the plain presentation of the scene. But go ahead and hide your head in the sand.

qwertyuiop1998

Originally posted by ODG
I appreciate you not breaking the page anymore (too late), but I can't actually read these scans that appear to be pre-Crisis from the tiny images I see. Ignoring the dispositive evidence isn't going to make it go away. Let's not actually read the comic. Let's gloss over it to distort the plain presentation of the scene. But go ahead and hide your head in the sand.
https://i.ibb.co/v4SqdjS/Superman295-11.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/fxdRcTz/Superman295-12.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/bsMrc43/Superman295-13.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/LdKpN4x/Superman295-14.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/mXVXjwN/Superman295-15.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/s10kF3j/Superman295-16.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/d7pkD8C/Superman295-17.jpg

qwertyuiop1998

Originally posted by ODG
Ignoring the dispositive evidence isn't going to make it go away. Let's not actually read the comic. Let's gloss over it to distort the plain presentation of the scene. But go ahead and hide your head in the sand.
And ignoring you have literally no actual evidence to prove your speculations also doesn't make it go away, much like you accusing me for sock account despite you absolutely have no evidence of it

Especially your "dispositive evidence" can be easily explained by plot armor
Or 6th dimension works differently
Or Superman directed his force to WF and his Multiverse, like SBP did in Death Metal Secret Origin or some DB style
etcetcetc

Do I have a explicit evidence to prove it?No, but in the same way you also can't provide a definite evidence to prove what you claimed

Edit:
IOW, we have on-panel statements that *directly* support Superman what Superman did

We even have some implications to hint Superman can do it
https://ibb.co/nfV9svD

What you have is....implications that open to interpretations which not directly support your claims

Yet, you call me "hide your head in the sand" while yourself can't even provide a clear proof for your stance.....

ODG

^ The page-breaking actually is worse. Ain't nobody got time to resize the page to see dat pre-Crisis sh1t.

ODG

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
And ignoring you have literally no actual evidence to prove your speculations also doesn't make it go away, much like you accusing me for sock account despite you absolutely have no evidence of it

Especially your "dispositive evidence" can be easily explained by plot armor
Or 6th dimension works differently
Or Superman directed his force to WF and his Multiverse, like SBP did in Death Metal Secret Origin or some DB style
etcetcetc

Do I have a explicit evidence to prove it?No, but in the same way you also can't provide a definite evidence to prove what you claimed Who da phuck knows my 10+ year old former username??? Whatever, I'd have more respect that you were a reemergent sock than some rando who researched my profile to find an innocuous username to insult me with. Let me know when you ask a mod to look at your ip address.

If the 6th dimension works differently, that'd only denigrate Superman's feat.

Yeah, Superman directed his collateral shockwaves towards the alternate multiverse Justice League to obliterate them, completely forego the actual Justice League, only crater that planet but somehow disintegrate an entire multiverse.

Superman's control over his shockwaves be Abstract-level, yo. None of what I just said is actual on-panel evidence. Talk about IDLI, IDH.

qwertyuiop1998

Originally posted by ODG
^ The page-breaking actually is worse. Ain't nobody got time to resize the page to see dat pre-Crisis sh1t. Who da phuck knows my 10+ year old former username??? Whatever, I'd have more respect that you were a reemergent sock than some rando who researched my profile to find an innocuous username to insult me with.

If the 6th dimension works differently, that'd only denigrate Superman's feat.

Yeah, Superman directed his collateral shockwaves towards the alternate multiverse Justice League to obliterate them, completely forego the actual Justice League, only crater that planet but somehow disintegrate an entire multiverse. Superman's control over his shockwaves be Abstract-level, yo.
Yeah, because you said you can't see the tiny images I posted. But they work fine on my PC, so I just decided to post it without resizing them

So you think anybody who knows(which just requires one click) and uses(when you're the one who insulted people in the first place) your previous username is a sock account, okayyyyyyy smile

Sure, and you also can say the energy portal WF created to handle their signatures is the reason why they were not disintegrated
Or, you also can say their essences and combined with 6th dimensional rules so they're not disintegrated

The main point stands, what you claim, is tenuous without definite evidence.
And "I can't accept Superman is that good" isn't a proof

Edit:
Originally posted by ODG
None of what I just said is actual on-panel evidence. Talk about IDLI, IDH.
Oh, sure, care to provide on-panel proofs that explicit support what you said?

ODG

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Yeah, because you said you can't see the tiny images I posted. But they work fine on my PC, so I just decided to post it without resizing them

So you think anybody who knows(which just requires one click) and uses(when you're the one who insulted people in this first place) your previous username is a sock account, okayyyyyyy smile

Bruh, there's no reason for your links to be tiny but your images to be blimp-sized. Having said that, I assume you didn't mean to exacerbate the page-breaking issue.

You're either a sock with a decade-long resentment or you're as poster who a colossal hardon that you'd actually research someone's profile in ethe hopes of finding an innocuous past username to hand an insult on. Whichever choice you want to own up to, that's on you, pal. Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Sure, and you also can say the energy portal WF created to handle their signatures is the reason why they were not disintegrated WTH are you talking about? WF didn't create portals when Superman punched him. Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Or, you also can say their essences and due to 6th dimensional rules so they're not disintegrated

The main point stands, what you claim, is tenuous without definite evidence.
And "I can't accept Superman is that good" isn't a proof Which would only denigrate Superman's feat.

My position is supported by evidence that actually works to disprove your position. But go ahead and pretend otherwise. Selective collateral multiversal damage: a new ability of Superman's. How many other monumental leaps of logic should we assume for idiocy's sake when it comes to Superman? No limit, it seems.

Best stick to conflating Flash's feats with Superman, pal.

Delta1938

So ODG goes from not being able to click to enlarge the scan to he just won't read them.

ODG

^ Ah, a pre-Crisis scene is supposed to shed light on the World Forger scene some 50 years later.

Whatever is necessary to magnify a Superman feat. Just ignore the context of the actual scene itself.

qwertyuiop1998

Originally posted by ODG
Bruh, there's no reason for your links to be tiny but your images to be blimp-sized. Having said that, I assume you didn't mean to exacerbate the page-breaking issue.

You're either a sock with a decade-long resentment or you're as poster who a colossal hardon that you'd actually research someone's profile in ethe hopes of finding an innocuous past username to hand an insult on. Whichever choice you want to own up to, that's on you, pal.
Uses your words, WTF are you talking about? Abhi calls you dumbo dozens of times ever since you returned, Stilt literally calls you OneDumbG0 in Iron Fist vs. Sabretooth

Did you ever consider the possibility that someone was just curious why they call you that and clicked your profile( also, now your username is literally ODG) in the past?
Originally posted by ODG
WTH are you talking about? WF didn't create portals when Superman punched him.
Which would only denigrate Superman's feat.

No, WF created it which allows JL to exist in 6th dimension
https://ibb.co/3CKTfGt
And we also have the fact that they possess essences this trait separates them from other beings in WF's Multiverse and combined 6th dimensional rules, which makes them survive the punch of Superman

Is this tenuous? sure. Is this directly addressed in the comics? no. But just like your anvil argument, also isn't directly addressed in the comics, and the anvil also is never explicitly stated to be responsible for the Multiverse destruction

Originally posted by ODG
My position is supported by evidence that actually works to disprove your position. But go ahead and pretend otherwise. Selective collateral multiversal damage: a new ability of Superman's. How many other monumental leaps of logic should we assume for idiocy's sake when it comes to Superman? No limit, it seems.

Best stick to conflating Flash's feats with Superman, pal.
Which can be easily chalked to plot armor

Selective damage? Superman Vs Doomsday
Don't feel the scope is high enough? Superman vs Jaxon

Originally posted by ODG
^ Ah, a pre-Crisis scene is supposed to shed light on the World Forger scene some 50 years later.

Whatever is necessary to magnify a Superman feat. Just ignore the context of the actual scene itself.

Or Superman just that powerful, since we use our own speculations based on vague implications
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998

Edit:
IOW, we have on-panel statements that *directly* support Superman what Superman did

We even have some implications to hint Superman can do it
https://ibb.co/nfV9svD

What you have is....implications that open to interpretations which not directly support your claims

Yet, you call me "hide your head in the sand" while yourself can't even provide a clear proof for your stance.....

cdtm

Originally posted by ODG
Who da phuck knows my 10+ year old former username??? Whatever, I'd have more respect that you were a reemergent sock than some rando who researched my profile to find an innocuous username to insult me with. Let me know when you ask a mod to look at your ip address.

If the 6th dimension works differently, that'd only denigrate Superman's feat.

Yeah, Superman directed his collateral shockwaves towards the alternate multiverse Justice League to obliterate them, completely forego the actual Justice League, only crater that planet but somehow disintegrate an entire multiverse.

Superman's control over his shockwaves be Abstract-level, yo. None of what I just said is actual on-panel evidence. Talk about IDLI, IDH.

And I mean, there's the basic fact the weight of proof is on the one making the claim.

Like, if I say I'm an alien and you ask for proof, and I said you have no proof I'm not one, that wouldn't fly. I need to prove my claim or stfu.

Same principle, you can't be asked to disprove any of those ridiculous scenerios he brought up, it's on him to show some shred of evidence they did.

ODG

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Uses your words, WTF are you talking about? Abhi calls you dumbo dozens of times ever since you returned, Stilt literally calls you OneDumbG0 in Iron Fist vs. Sabretooth

Did you ever consider the possibility that someone was just curious why they call you that and clicked your profile( also, now your username is literally ODG) in the past? So you're a poster who has a colossal hardon that you'd actually research someone's profile in the hopes of finding an innocuous past username to hang an insult on? You said it. Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
No, WF created it which allows JL to exist in 6th dimension
https://ibb.co/3CKTfGt This has absolutely nothing to do with Superman punching World Forger. Who are you even arguing with? Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
And we also have the fact that they possess essences this trait separates them from other beings in WF's Multiverse and combined 6th dimensional rules, which makes them survive the punch of Superman Again, that would only serve to denigrate Superman's feat.
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Is this tenuous? sure. Took you that long to state the obvious about your position? Sheesh.

ODG

Originally posted by cdtm
And I mean, there's the basic fact the weight of proof is on the one making the claim.

Like, if I say I'm an alien and you ask for proof, and I said you have no proof I'm not one, that wouldn't fly. I need to prove my claim or stfu. True. If someone wants to claim that the shockwaves of Superman's punch directly destroyed a multiverse, they should prove it. Originally posted by cdtm
Same principle, you can't be asked to disprove any of those ridiculous scenerios he brought up, it's on him to show some shred of evidence they did. Well I did disprove them.

So to be fair, the burden on him his doubled. But they'll just rewrite the course of conversation and pretend otherwise. Par for the course.

Delta1938

Originally posted by ODG
^ Ah, a pre-Crisis scene is supposed to shed light on the World Forger scene some 50 years later.

Whatever is necessary to magnify a Superman feat. Just ignore the context of the actual scene itself.

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

ODG

^ Were you trying to make a salient point or did you post in the wrong thread by accident?

https://media.tenor.com/E3WCe-24PIsAAAAd/obama-why.gif

qwertyuiop1998

Originally posted by ODG
So you're a poster who has a colossal hardon that you'd actually research someone's profile in the hopes of finding an innocuous past username to hang an insult on? You said it.
Yeah, Because nobody will feel weird when Stilt called you OneDumbG0, and I guess nobody is intelligent or curious enough to think "hey, maybe he was calling his previous username, like we call Senor Cage as golgo?" and clicks your profile, okey smile

Are you playing dumb, or you really are?

Originally posted by ODG
This has absolutely nothing to do with Superman punching World Forger. Who are you even arguing with?
Again, that would only serve to denigrate Superman's feat.
Took you that long to state the obvious about your position? Sheesh.

Lol, so I guess you've nothing to provide that can definitely prove what you claimed.

Which something can be chalked to plot armor....or basically any implication in the comics

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998

Edit:
IOW, we have on-panel statements that *directly* support Superman what Superman did

We even have some implications to hint Superman can do it
https://ibb.co/nfV9svD

What you have is....implications that open to interpretations which not directly support your claims

Yet, you call me "hide your head in the sand" while yourself can't even provide a clear proof for your stance.....

ODG

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Yeah, Because nobody will feel weird when Stilt called you OneDumbG0, and I guess nobody is intelligent enough to think "hey, maybe he was calling his previous username, like we call Senor Cage as golgo?" and clicks your profile, okey smile

Are you playing dumb, or you really are? So you're a poster who has a colossal hardon that you'd actually research someone's profile in the hopes of finding an innocuous past username to hang an insult on? You said it. Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Lol, so I guess you've nothing to provide that can definitely prove what you claimed. Irony. Superman vaporized the alternate Justice League but spared the actual Justice League. Superman obliterated a multiverse but only managed to crater a planet. Nothing to do with a crisis anvil connected to a multiverse that was destroyed on-panel.

... whatever is necessary to inflate a Superman feat, eh?

Delta1938

Originally posted by ODG
^ Were you trying to make a salient point or did you post in the wrong thread by accident?

https://media.tenor.com/E3WCe-24PIsAAAAd/obama-why.gif

Concessions accepted.

ODG

^ quanlite, here. /shrug

qwertyuiop1998

Originally posted by ODG
So you're a poster who has a colossal hardon that you'd actually research someone's profile in the hopes of finding an innocuous past username to hang an insult on? You said it. Irony. Superman vaporized the alternate Justice League but spared the actual Justice League. Superman obliterated a multiverse but only managed to crater a planet. Nothing to do with a crisis anvil connected to a multiverse that was destroyed on-panel.
So I guess one click and making a connection between at least two people called your previous username just requires too much IQ for you?

Also really Irony,We have actually on-panel statements to provide Superman destroy the Multiverse.
On the other hand, you didn't produce even a single scan to clearly prove what you claimed.
And I guess WF specifically feared Superman has nothing to do with Superman's power levels in this story( which, if we go by implications of course)

And I guess dozens of examples of collateral damage means little in comics also doesn't prove shit? despite there are Superman Vs Doomsday, SBP Vs Darkest Knight, Superman Vs Jaxon ,three separate examples for your selective damage critique, doesn't matter, right?

ODG

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
So I guess one click and making a connection between at least two people called your previous username just requires too much IQ for you?No, it would only take a monumental amount of resentment. Only you can reveal how many years' worth. Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Also really Irony,We have actually on-panel statements to provide Superman destroy the Multiverse.
On the other hand, you didn't produce even a single scan to clearly prove what you claimed.
And I guess WF specifically feared Superman has nothing to do with Superman's power levels in this story( which, if we go by implications of course) WF's multiverse was destroyed. But acting like the cosmic anvil did not present a convenient conduit is both logically and narratively retarded.

Logically, Superman never showed the ability to directly destroy a multiverse, universe, galaxy, planet with collateral damage. Narratively, Superman never showed the propensity to directly annihilate an entire multiverse. Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
And I guess dozens of examples of collateral damage means little in comics also doesn't prove shit? despite there are Superman Vs Doomsday, SBP Vs Darkest Knight, Superman Vs Jaxon ,three separate examples for your selective damage critique, doesn't matter, right? The "dozens" of examples actually disprove your interpretation of the feat. But keep pretending Superman directed his collateral shockwaves towards the alternate multiverse Justice League to obliterate them, completely forego the actual Justice League, only crater that planet but somehow disintegrate an entire multiverse. This makes sense to you?

Keep suggesting that Superman punching World Forger in the face created shockwaves that reverberated so violently they (i) only cratered the planet, (ii) destroyed his crisis anvil, (iii) didn't kill the Justice League, but (iv) directly destroyed a multiverse.

This is how we're supposed to read comics. roll eyes (sarcastic)

h1a8

1. Superman is so much faster than these beings that they will be frozen like in metroman.

2. Superman breaking the chains gives a strength that is magnitudes beyond anything they ever experienced.

qwertyuiop1998

Originally posted by ODG
No, it would only take a monumental amount of resentment. Only you can reveal how many years' worth. WF's multiverse was destroyed. But acting like the cosmic anvil did not present a convenient conduit is both logically and narratively retarded.

Logically, Superman never showed the ability to directly destroy a multiverse, universe, galaxy, planet with collateral damage. Narratively, Superman never showed the propensity to directly annihilate an entire multiverse. The "dozens" of examples actually disprove your interpretation of the feat.

Keep suggesting that Superman punching World Forger in the face created shockwaves that reverberated so violently they (i) only cratered the planet, (ii) destroyed his crisis anvil, (iii) didn't kill the Justice League, but (iv) directly destroyed a multiverse.

This is how we're supposed to read comics. roll eyes (sarcastic)

Yeah, I guess saw other people call your other names and feel it's your previous username is something takes a monumental amount of resentment.

And you seem still implying I'm a sock account. If so, again, we can ask mods to run a IP test, and if I'm proven innocent, you're going to (at least) apologize to me

Huh? Superman literally destroyed the planet WF created by jumping off, I.E, collateral damage, when he was at his deathbed, in the same arc

Keep ignoring that (1) you have nothing to prove the Multiverse WF created depends on his anvil to survive (2) WF feared Superman in the same arc (3) the on-panel evidence only directly state Superman destroyed WF's Multiverse, not he destroyed it by destroying his anvil

And that's how we suppose read comics? By a conjecture you have no way to actually prove to be true and as I showed, collateral damage means little isn't exactly new for comics

ODG

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Yeah, I guess saw other people call your other names and feel it's your previous username is something takes a monumental amount of resentment.

And you seem still implying I'm a sock account. If so, again, we can ask mods to run a IP test, and if I'm proven innocent, you're going to (at least) apologize to meActually, I implied you're either a sock with a decade-long resentment or you're as poster with a colossal hardon that you'd actually research someone's profile in the hopes of finding an innocuous past username to hang an insult on. Whichever choice you want to own up to, that's on you, pal.

When the mods reference your IP address, let me know.

ODG

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Huh? Superman literally destroyed the planet WF created by jumping off, I.E, collateral damage, when he was at his deathbed, in the same arc Your inept non sequitur has nothing to do with the punch he dealt World Forger. Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Keep ignoring that (1) you have nothing to prove the Multiverse WF created depends on his anvil to survive (2) WF feared Superman in the same arc (3) the on-panel evidence only directly state Superman destroyed WF's Multiverse, not he destroyed it by destroying his anvil

And that's how we suppose read comics? By a conjecture you have no way to actually prove to be true and as I showed, collateral damage means little isn't exactly new for comics Keep suggesting that Superman punching World Forger in the face created shockwaves that reverberated so violently they (i) only cratered the planet, (ii) destroyed his crisis anvil, (iii) didn't kill the Justice League, (iv) killed the alternate multiverse Justice League, but (v) directly destroyed a multiverse.

No, that isn't how we're supposed to read comics. But whatever Superman-blanky you need to wrap yourself in, you do you.

qwertyuiop1998

Originally posted by ODG
Actually, I implied you're either a sock with a decade-long resentment or you're as poster with a colossal hardon that you'd actually research someone's profile in the hopes of finding an innocuous past username to hang an insult on. Whichever choice you want to own up to, that's on you, pal.

When the mods reference your IP address, let me know.
And I say you are either playing dumb or just that dumb to interpret my posts in that way

But let's do a IP test, shall we? And I also take it as you accept the condition if you lose, I.E at least give me an apology

qwertyuiop1998

Originally posted by ODG
Your inept non sequitur has nothing to do with the punch he dealt World Forger. Keep suggesting that Superman punching World Forger in the face created shockwaves that reverberated so violently they (i) only cratered the planet, (ii) destroyed his crisis anvil, (iii) didn't kill the Justice League, (iv) killed the alternate multiverse Justice League, but (v) directly destroyed a multiverse.

No, that isn't how we're supposed to read comics. But whatever Superman-blanky you need to wrap yourself in, you do you.
This is you?
Originally posted by ODG

Logically, Superman never showed the ability to directly destroy a multiverse, universe, galaxy, planet with collateral damage.

Yeah, keep repeating yourself, but unfortunately you can't provide even one proof that explicitly shows what you claimed

ODG

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
And I say you are either playing dumb or just that dumb to interpret my posts in that wayUnfortunately, you're simply projecting you own dimwitted behavior onto me.

Maybe focus on the actual comics instead?

Granted, that would only counter your own inanity. But this is about comics, after all. Don't hide. Don't run. The truth will come to you.
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
But let's do a IP test, shall we? And I also take it as you accept the condition if you lose, I.E at least give me an apology I told you to go for it several times. I implied you're either a sock with a decade-long resentment or you're a poster with a colossal hardon that you'd actually research someone's profile in the hopes of finding an innocuous past username to hang an insult on. Whichever choice you want to own up to, that's on you, pal.

qwertyuiop1998

Originally posted by ODG
Unfortunately, you're simply projecting you own dimwitted behavior onto me.

Maybe focus on the actual comics instead? I told you to go for it several times. I implied you're either a sock with a decade-long resentment or you're a poster with a colossal hardon that you'd actually research someone's profile in the hopes of finding an innocuous past username to hang an insult on. Whichever choice you want to own up to, that's on you, pal.
What behavior? You're literally the one who accused me for lying, and when I retorted, you begun mocking my English( which, ironically, you seem pretty unhappy when the roles switched)

Originally posted by ODG
This doesn't change anything of what I've said. Good on you to understand context (sorta). Bad on you to try to leave it out when it suits your distorted myth.

Whoa, deja vu???
Originally posted by ODG
^ English? Do you speak it?
And when I retorted you again, you played "you're a sock" card, and then you saying I'm either a sock or a mean spirited

So backed down the challenge I see

ODG

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
What behavior? You're literally the one who accused me for lying, and when I retorted, you begun mocking my English( which, ironically, you seem pretty unhappy when the roles switched)Follow the course of conversation, or don't.

I don't know if this is the result of broken English but it's either that or imbecility. Neither of which I have to apologize for. Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
And when I retorted you again, you played "you're a sock" card, and then you saying I'm either a sock or a mean spirited

So backed down the challenge I see I told you to go for it several times. I implied you're either a sock with a decade-long resentment or you're a poster with a colossal hard-on that you'd actually research someone's profile in the hopes of finding an innocuous past username to hang an insult on. Whichever choice you want to own up to, that's on you, pal.

But keep clumsily maneuvering the conversation away from the WF scene itself. This isn't a tactic I've encountered on the KMC forums ever. laughing out loud

qwertyuiop1998

Originally posted by ODG
Follow the course of conversation, or don't.

I don't know if this is the result of broken English but it's either that or imbecility. I told you to go for it several times. I implied you're either a sock with a decade-long resentment or you're a poster with a colossal hardon that you'd actually research someone's profile in the hopes of finding an innocuous past username to hang an insult on. Whichever choice you want to own up to, that's on you, pal.
Well, the course of conversation is you wrong in this claim smile

Originally posted by ODG

Logically, Superman never showed the ability to directly destroy a multiverse, universe, galaxy, planet with collateral damage.

https://ibb.co/9sBc0kS
https://ibb.co/pLGwxL1

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998

Huh? Superman literally destroyed the planet WF created by jumping off, I.E, collateral damage, when he was at his deathbed, in the same arc

And I'm pretty sure you are aware of Jaxon scene, no?

Edit for your edit:

Lol, what you said didn't address anything in my points, just keep throwing your own views without any definite evidence.
Like I said before, I also can argue the prime Superman is the most powerful Superman across all iterations
Batman's suit protects the rest league etcetc
If we go by vague implications of course

ODG

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Well, the course of conversation is you wrong in this claim smile

https://ibb.co/9sBc0kS
https://ibb.co/pLGwxL1

And I'm pretty sure you are aware of Jaxon scene, no? Rewriting the history of the conversation, check?

Superman directly busted that planet. Or is collateral damage far beyond your grasp of the English language?

WTF does pre-Crisis Jaxon have to do with the World Forger? Does anybody care about a 50 year pre-Crisis scene? Did the writer of the actual Justice League #25 comic care? Or the artist? Or anybody else who wasn't a pitifully desperate propagandist?

This is a level beyond Superman apologist nonsense. You're just being a little sh1t trying to place the burdens of proof on everybody but yourself.

But that's exactly how I called you out from the beginning. Not exactly a revelation, amirite?

qwertyuiop1998

Originally posted by ODG
Rewriting the history of the conversation, check?

Superman directly busted that planet. Or is collateral damage far beyond your grasp of the English language?

WTF does pre-Crisis Jaxon have to do with the World Forger? Does anybody care about a 50 year pre-Crisis scene? Did the writer of the actual Justice League #25 comic care? Or the artist? Or anybody else who wasn't a pitifully desperate propogandist?

This is a level beyond Superman apologist nonsense. You're just being a little sh1t trying to place the burdens of proof on everybody but yourself.

collateral damage:

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/collateral%20damage

Or are you trying to say Superman was trying to jumping into the planet instead of jumping off it?

Yeah, because you said Superman *never* showed the ability to directly do it with collateral damage
Originally posted by ODG

Logically, Superman never showed the ability to directly destroy a multiverse, universe, galaxy, planet with collateral damage.

And

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998

Edit for your edit:

Lol, what you said didn't address anything in my points, just keep throwing your own views without any definite evidence.
Like I said before, I also can argue the prime Superman is the most powerful Superman across all iterations
Batman's suit protects the rest league etcetc
If we go by vague implications of course

ODG

^ Mock my grasp of the English language, check?

qwertyuiop1998

Originally posted by ODG
^ Mock my grasp of the English language, check?
LMAO, you are the one who did it in the first place, just a post above

Originally posted by ODG

Superman directly busted that planet. Or is collateral damage far beyond your grasp of the English language?

ODG

Originally posted by ODG
1) Mock my grasp of the English language, check?
2) Ignore all attempts to move on from arguing English language interpretation, check?
3) Gracelessly shift the burden of the proof, check?
4) Move the goalposts, check?
5) Degenerate the conversation with increasing trollery, check?
6) Avoid all attempts to bring the conversation to a close, by avoiding a single, direct and simple question, check?
7) Rewrite the history of the conversation, check?
8) Pretend you're not being insulting, check?
9) Accuse the other poster of starting it, check?
10) Simply pretend that the entire course of conversation hasn't turned out utterly disastrous for yourself, check?
11) Rinse/repeat your trollery for another several pages to make it look like we're both equally at fault for how much this conversation has degraded, check?

https://media.giphy.com/media/l41m5OJWDw7oYJua4/giphy.gif

ODG

Y'see I count 6-7 of these steps here over the last few pages.

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/PlushUnrulyKoalabear-max-1mb.gif

qwertyuiop1998

Yeah, it is a good example for showing how you projecting yourself to others

ODG

Originally posted by ODG
7) Rewrite the history of the conversation, check?
8) Pretend you're not being insulting, check?
9) Accuse the other poster of starting it, check?
10) Simply pretend that the entire course of conversation hasn't turned out utterly disastrous for yourself, check?
11) Rinse/repeat your trollery for another several pages to make it look like we're both equally at fault for how much this conversation has degraded, check? Whatever you need to distance the conversation away from the actual comic scene we're discussing, after all. laughing out loud

qwertyuiop1998

Originally posted by ODG
Whatever you need to distance the conversation away from the actual comic scene we're discussing, after all. laughing out loud

Isn't you are the one running?

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998

Edit for your edit:

Lol, what you said didn't address anything in my points, just keep throwing your own views without any definite evidence.
Like I said before, I also can argue the prime Superman is the most powerful Superman across all iterations
Batman's suit protects the rest league etcetc
If we go by vague implications of course

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998

And

Don't forget you're the one who brought up Superman didn't destroy a planet via collateral damage. And when I brought up Superman did it in the same story we're talking about, you begun blabbing about "you are mocking my English"
Originally posted by ODG
^ Mock my grasp of the English language, check?
smile

Edit:
And I still don't see how you retort collateral damage means little in comics, based on how it's portrayed in comics

ODG

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Isn't you are the one running? The reverse projection is strong in this one.

What makes you think I'm not content to thoroughly undress you over and over again? Maybe do more research into my past posting will dissuade you of such illusions. laughing out loud

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Don't forget you're the one who brought up Superman didn't destroy a planet via collateral damage. And when I brought up Superman did it in the same story we're talking about, you begun blabbing about "you are mocking my English"

smile

Because Superman literally bounded off that planet. You can pretend that your grasp of the English language is inept. But don't insult the rest of us by projecting that ineptitude onto us.

qwertyuiop1998

Originally posted by ODG
The reverse projection is strong in this one.

What makes you think I'm not content to thoroughly undress you over and over again? Maybe do more research into my past posting will dissuade you of such illusions. laughing out loud

Because Superman literally bounded off that planet. You can pretend that your grasp of the English language is inept. But don't insult the rest of us by projecting that ineptitude onto us.
Oh, but the dictionary seems to disagree with you

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/collateral%20damage

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998

Or are you trying to say Superman was trying to jumping into the planet instead of jumping off it?

Also
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998

Edit:
And I still don't see how you retort collateral damage means little in comics, based on how it's portrayed in comics
and
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998

Lol, what you said didn't address anything in my points, just keep throwing your own views without any definite evidence.
Like I said before, I also can argue the prime Superman is the most powerful Superman across all iterations
Batman's suit protects the rest league etcetc
If we go by vague implications of course

ODG

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Oh, but the dictionary seems to disagree with you

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/collateral%20damage

Also

and Quoting dictionaries will gain you no purchase here, senor dumbassio.

Superman directly applied the force of his limbs to that planet when he bounded off it. If you want to rely on broken English, that's fair for morons who don't grasp it completely.

And I'd give you a pass for that, if you weren't so quick to insult my grasp of the English language.

But I mean... that's all you're left with given that you've completely given up on discussing the actual WF punch scene in question. How unsightly.

Not my first rodeo pal.

qwertyuiop1998

Originally posted by ODG
Quoting dictionaries will gain you no purchase here, senor dumbassio.

Superman directly applied the force of his limbs to that planet when he bounded off it. If you want to rely on broken English, that's fair for morons who don't grasp it completely.

And I'd give you a pass for that, if you weren't so quick to insult my grasp of the English language.

But I mean... that's all you're left with given that you've completely given up on discussing the actual WF punch scene in question. How unsightly.

Not my first rodeo pal.
By that logic, Superman also directly applied force on WF and his Multiverse(albeit, a small part of it. pretty much like Superman only applied his force on a small part of the planet)
So I guess he destroyed the Multiverse WF created isn't a collateral damage, which undermining your point in your original sentence

And you don't reply other points, strange, despite one of them is the WF scene you're blabbing about
But I like how you call others dumbassio, when your username is "OneDumbG0" smile

abhilegend

It's useless to argue with dumbo. He's just a troll, ignore him.

MrMind

qwerty dealing with odg the same way vegito dealing with buuhan

abhilegend

Originally posted by MrMind
qwerty dealing with odg the same way vegito dealing with buuhan
He's been reduced to "Hulk's pants survived the planet blowing stuff".

abhilegend

Originally posted by ODG
Because they weren't striking as hard as they were in their initial clash in the Dark Dimension. This isn't difficult. They can vary the level of their punches. And not every one will result in collaterally one-shotting a planet.

laughing out loud

abhilegend

@Qwerty : You don't need to play his game. Just ask about WBH not destroying Earth or Hulk's pants surviving the dark dimension planet busting and dumbo will be reduced to a blubbering mess.

abhilegend

Originally posted by ODG
^ Mock my grasp of the English language, check?
LMAO, he's so butthurt someone used his own insult on him.

crylaugh

qwertyuiop1998

Originally posted by abhilegend
@Qwerty : You don't need to play his game. Just ask about WBH not destroying Earth or Hulk's pants surviving the dark dimension planet busting and dumbo will be reduced to a blubbering mess.
Yeah, but he basically is going "you give me another the exact same scene, while I just need to use implications that are vague and open to interpretations to dismiss this feat"

Despite we have something like SBP destroyed other DK's worlds by collateral damage but the ground and the Earth beneath them don't even seem have any significant damage and the heroes fighting close to them also seem unaffected by the shockwaves
https://ibb.co/Q85L2kn
https://ibb.co/k0G78hr
Originally posted by abhilegend
LMAO, he's so butthurt someone used his own insult on him.

crylaugh
TBH, I didn't even intend to insult him in that post.

And it was because I remember when back in the days we discussing "Is important the collateral damage in the comicbook feats?"
DS said collateral is a side effect of the action and when talked one of interpretation about Cho Hulk's moon feat is the hit is the direct and the moon is collateral, which pretty similar to Superman's in terms of interpreting what collateral damage means

So I always under the impression collateral damage means something like side effect destruction and I googled its definition before I made such statement( Superman shattered the planet by jumping off is collateral damage) to ensure I didn't interpret wrong

collateral damage definition
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/collateral_damage

collateral damage definition
https://www.yourdictionary.com/collateral-damage

But somehow, he took it as an insult....

h1a8

1. Superman is so much faster than these beings that they will be frozen like in metroman.

2. Superman breaking the chains gives a strength that is magnitudes beyond anything they ever experienced.

Old Man Whirly!

Originally posted by h1a8
1. Superman is so much faster than these beings that they will be frozen like in metroman.

2. Superman breaking the chains gives a strength that is magnitudes beyond anything they ever experienced. True h1.

carver9

ABHI, where are you?

StiltmanFTW

Originally posted by carver9
ABHI, where are you?

https://i.ibb.co/R4v1X6L/carvello.png

qwertyuiop1998

Originally posted by ODG
Old Man Juntai. Parsing the geography of the comics isn't going to gain you purchase since the storyline's own rules weren't portrayed consistently. They were in the 6th Dimension but also that replacement multiverse manifested there. If you want to debate what KMC posters consider "collateral damage", find another dance partner. I couldn't care less hwo you stretch that term. But to be clear, I consider collateral damage to be damage that is caused indirectly. If WBH Hulk punches amped Red She-Hulk, and crap around them blows up, that's collateral damage. If Beta Ray Bill slams Stardust into a planet and blows it up, that's direct damage. Superman applying the force of his legs onto a planet and busting it, that's direct damage to me.
I actually deconstructed it. Feel free to reread my response before addressing me.
Oh really? by using your unproven theory? smile

Then let's talk about Hawkgirl, who also was at the ground zero of the explosion(and as you said, it created a large crater that visible on the Earth's surface), survived

https://ibb.co/HCp0Krz
https://ibb.co/kKcyJzS

And she was knocked out by Joker with a chainsaw in the same series, written by the same writer. Gosh, it's almost like collateral damage in comics is selective sometimes

But maybe I'm wrong, maybe you can explain it to me why she survived instead of plot armor(like every other JL member) here

abhilegend

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Lol, or you just butthurt since you can't provide any evidence to prove your theory.
Your entire argument is "Superman can't be that powerful, hence it must be some plot device in there"

And speaking of irony

Me: "hey there are possibilities such as the final suit Batman built protects the league, after all, element X is a plot device and Batman's final suit build around it: https://ibb.co/Sr98FvT"

You: *never reply to this point*

Me:"by your logic, Hawkgirl should also die based on her durability showings, but she didn't"
You:" Do you know how awesome Nth metal is? it must play a plot device so Hawkgirl survived!!!!"
Go easy on dumbo, he's fragile

abhilegend

Ask him how did Shayne (son of future Hawkgirl and J'onn) survived? Surely he should have blinked out of the multiverse.

qwertyuiop1998

Originally posted by abhilegend
laughing out loud

"It was all crisis anvil which was never even alluded in the comic. You're stupid if you don't believe in my idiotic assumption".

That's his entire argument.
I especially love the part when he was asked why Hawkgirl survived, he chalked it to her Nth Metal as plot device.
But when I said there is possibility that Batman's suit which built around the X Element( which is a even more plot device element) could protect the league so they didn't die, he just simply not accepted it

Truly, the irony is strong here

ODG

^ Oh, sure. Demand I show where on-panel it is painstakingly explained that the crisis anvil shattering leads to the alternate multiverse being destroyed but you get to rest on your laurels and suggest the Son Box armor imbued the Justice League w/ 6th dimension multiversal durability.

Not hypocritical in the least. Please come up with more secret layers of plot armor to avoid the exceedingly obvious plot device of the crisis anvil itself.

qwertyuiop1998

Originally posted by ODG
^ Oh, sure. Demand I show where on-panel it is painstakingly explained that the crisis anvil shattering leads to the alternate multiverse being destroyed but you get to rest on your laurels and suggest the Son Box armor imbued the Justice League w/ 6th dimension multiversal durability.

Not hypocritical in the least. Please come up with more secret layers of plot armor to avoid the exceedingly obvious plot device of the crisis anvil itself.
So basically "no, you give me a proof that can disprove an assumption I made that the comics never actually state!!!"

Yeah, glad we make it clear.