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Looks epic, for sure...

Hard to imagine it living up to some of Ridley Scott's best films, though...

Also, shouldn't they be speaking French? **scratches head**

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-Badass director
-Badass lead actor
-Badass topic

I suspect this film will be badass.

I didn't bother with The Last Duel. It looked like kind of a long, depressing slog.

This does at least look much more interesting.

Hope we get the good Ridley with this.

Originally posted by Patient_Leech
I didn't bother with The Last Duel. It looked like kind of a long, depressing slog.

This does at least look much more interesting.

The Last Duel is good, it's just slow. So be in that kind of mood.

Why is Joaquin Phoenix speaking with an American accent? Other than that, looks great

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
Why is Joaquin Phoenix speaking with an American accent? Other than that, looks great

Why are they talking in American at all!!?

Originally posted by Patient_Leech
Why are they talking in American at all!!?

Because Americans.

Originally posted by Patient_Leech
Why are they talking in American at all!!?

Fair point.

Looks cool. My main concern is this seems to be about almost his entire life and I'm not sure how they can cram that all into 3 hours.

Originally posted by Patient_Leech
Why are they talking in American at all!!?

Because no one wants to hear them speaking nasally Frog for three hours.

Alongside Christian Weston Chandler Napoleon is probably the single most well-documented person to ever live so doing a movie based around all the major parts of his entire life is hugely ambitious if it isn't like six ****ing hours. If the buzz is good when it comes out I'll watch it though.

Definitely gonna wanna I love Ridley Scott

Will the war of 1812 be a footnote in it?

I think they should speak Basil Fawlty french. ZOOFRtm7isI

I'm glad Jaoquin is speaking in his normal voice and not in some bad accent. I think the audience understands that the character is supposed to be French.

Originally posted by Robtard
I'm glad Jaoquin is speaking in his normal voice and not in some bad accent. I think the audience understands that the character is supposed to be French. So true!

American actors also often struggle with foreign accents. Even the good ones are just kinda okay.

eg House of Gucci is good film, but Driver's Italian accent was a hard pill to swallow. Sounded like he was trying to make fun of Italian Americans.

Shit, some American actors struggle with regional American english accents. Matt Damon sounding like a Texan, Kevin Costner trying any accent other than his own.

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Still looks hella dope.

The only people that i've complaining about this movie online is, Why didn't they get a French actor to play Napoleon

ugh, that's the whole point of acting...some people out there miss the point of acting these days.

Well in regards to that its sorta valid, Like if the character is Asian so cast a Asian for the role instead of going with the whitewashing route.

Nice 2-minute clip...

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Carthage's a moron, but he's not wrong regarding Dune being good.

Originally posted by Robtard
Carthage's a moron, but he's not wrong regarding Dune being good. I don't know what your beef with Carthage is Cato the Elder, but Dune, as a story, is largely charmless garbage that gets wanked in science fiction stories because it looks good when treading water in a sea of brainless schlock but does not hold up well compared to better literature.

Originally posted by NemeBro
I don't know what your beef with Carthage is Cato the Elder, but Dune, as a story, is largely charmless garbage that gets wanked in science fiction stories because it looks good when treading water in a sea of brainless schlock but does not hold up well compared to better literature.
^^^Personally, I never saw the appeal.

Originally posted by NemeBro
I don't know what your beef with Carthage is Cato the Elder, but Dune, as a story, is largely charmless garbage that gets wanked in science fiction stories because it looks good when treading water in a sea of brainless schlock but does not hold up well compared to better literature.

I really enjoyed the book (only read the 1st), David Lynch's film is still a childhood favorite of mine even though it took many liberties and I enjoyed Dune part 1.

Of course there is better literature, eg I felt more despair and emotions reading The Road by Cormac McCarthy. But is it fair to compare Dune against non-science fiction and vice-versa?

Rob, You know you are not supposed to feed trolls, right?

Nemebro's not trolling me, he firmly believes Dune is heavy "meh" material. Which is fine, opinions can vary.

It's basically what I expect...

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Originally posted by Robtard
I really enjoyed the book (only read the 1st), David Lynch's film is still a childhood favorite of mine even though it took many liberties and I enjoyed Dune part 1.

Of course there is better literature, eg I felt more despair and emotions reading The Road by Cormac McCarthy. But is it fair to compare Dune against non-science fiction and vice-versa? I'm not comparing Dune to Cormac McCarthy. I am saying, right here and now, that there is much better speculative fiction out there that touches on heavy ideas with more grace than Dune and while actually having something resembling charm or charisma.

Dune is as dry as a ****ing towel rack and filled with two-dimensional characters written in stilted amateurish prose. The better 40k novels genuinely are written with more skill than Dune is.

But the one thing Dune has is setting. The setting of Dune and Arrakis are extremely cool. And because science fiction and fantasy nerds are excessively detail-minded they loooooove that world-building shit and will forgive almost anything if the world is cool (which isn't to say Dune's setting is especially well-constructed or thought out: for such a big setting it comes across as weirdly small and a lot of the details that give the setting its fairly unique flavor are just treated matter-of-factedly without much in the way of self-analysis).

PL thinks I'm trolling but no: when I shit on Tool to him I'm trolling. I am saying right here right now that Dune is probably the worst novel that I've finished in the past year and a half.

The Hobbit also sucks by the way don't @ me (Lord of the Rings and The Silmarillion are cool though).

Originally posted by NemeBro
I'm not comparing Dune to Cormac McCarthy. I am saying, right here and now, that there is much better speculative fiction out there that touches on heavy ideas with more grace than Dune and while actually having something resembling charm or charisma.

Dune is as dry as a ****ing towel rack and filled with two-dimensional characters written in stilted amateurish prose. The better 40k novels genuinely are written with more skill than Dune is.

But the one thing Dune has is setting. The setting of Dune and Arrakis are extremely cool. And because science fiction and fantasy nerds are excessively detail-minded they loooooove that world-building shit and will forgive almost anything if the world is cool (which isn't to say Dune's setting is especially well-constructed or thought out: for such a big setting it comes across as weirdly small and a lot of the details that give the setting its fairly unique flavor are just treated matter-of-factedly without much in the way of self-analysis).

PL thinks I'm trolling but no: when I shit on Tool to him I'm trolling. I am saying right here right now that Dune is probably the worst novel that I've finished in the past year and a half.

The Hobbit also sucks by the way don't @ me (Lord of the Rings and The Silmarillion are cool though).


That is the worst criticism I've ever heard of Dune.

I've read a shit-ton of WH40K novels (thanks again for the initial recommends), while there are many that are good and outright fun reads, I can't say they're downright better scifi than Dune was.

Which scifi books/works specifically are you thinking about when saying "much better speculative fiction out there that touches on heavy ideas with more grace than Dune"?

Well if they want something historical go watch a doco on Napoleon.

That's not really the point, Kaz.

The point is that if historians contest something, then they probably have good reasons to. It's a surprisingly childish response from an 80 something year old man. If you took some liberties with history, fine... just own it. They certainly did with Gladiator, but it's still beloved.

This was shit. Basically felt like a clip show with no narrative purpose other than to make Napoleon look pathetic and like a clown.

I guess I should have expected it since Ridley Scott is a Brit. But it's kinda amusing that we are more than 200 years out from his defeat and the Brits are stills seething about him and churning out propaganda.

I enjoyed it, sets, design and costume were spectacular, but it was FAR slower than I thought it would be and Phoenix is not at his best here, great in some scenes, dialing it in and bored in others.

Should have been a film in two 3hr parts, considering how much has to be covered.

I want to see it again to really get a better feel.


Edit: IMO, Scott should have spent more time on Napoleon's top-shelf war genius and less on his personal life.

^ Wanting to see it again?? That sounds like high praise coming from the 'tard!!

I've got tentative plans to see in the theater in a week or two (that is if it's still around in theaters).

I watch many movies at least two times, especially epic types and heavy scifi, things settle in better on the second viewing imo.

But I can already tell this won't be another Gladiator, where I've seen in 15+ times and can watch it most any time. I think two viewings will be it for me.

Well supposedly there will be a 4-hour version going to streaming, so maybe just wait to watch that?

I'd normally just wait for the Extended cut, but I'm still considering seeing this on the big screen.

Just saw this. Treated myself.

Enjoyed the Ridley Scott production value and the performances from the 2 lead actors, but the film lacked a narrative. It's just kind of dry. I doubt I'll be interested enough to sit through a 4-hour version when it goes to streaming.

I sincerely hope they've written something much more compelling for the Gladiator sequel.

Originally posted by Robtard
That is the worst criticism I've ever heard of Dune.

It's the best criticism you've ever heard of Dune.



All 40k novels are dumb schlock but the better ones are at least fun. Dune is as dry as a girl surrounded by right wingers and is in fact more poorly written than your average 40kschlock. Herbert simply could not write, he changes perspective in his writing mid-paragraph constantly and at times even mid-sentence, he overuses certain phrases (mostly so and so "wet their lips" it becomes grating, he sucks my friend. He's no Nabokov, McCarthy or Lord Dunsany is what I'm saying, nor even a Tolkien or an Abnett.



To name a few, A Voyage to Arcturus by David Lindsey, Slaughterhouse Five by Kurt Vonnegut, Roadside Picnic by the Strugatsky Brothers, Frankenstein by Mary Shelley. If you expand it to include other speculative fiction works and not just science fiction, The Once and Future King by T.H. White (a shame about the insane frothing anti-Irish racism though), 1984 by George Orwell, pretty much the entire Legendarium by JRR Tolkien, shit, his work is less compelling than a good Superman comic and is considerably less fun.

All in all I'm glad he's dead and that is son is raping his legacy in revenge for his dad disowning his other son for being gay.

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Finally saw this today. What a load of shite

I saw it for a second time whenever it hit the torrents many month's back, found myself bored for a whole lot of it, has not aged well for me. Which is a shame considering the directer and topic.