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Looking for examples of characters busting planets/stars under their own power, preferrably in one shot (not chain reactions or slowly overloading the core).

If you can include it, try to include how big the planet/star is meant to be, because sometimes the planet could be a dwarf planet, or so small that you can see the curvature just standing on it.

Planet/Star busting used to be a massively impressive feat. Now unless you're busting at least a universe, you are below herald level. I'm just waiting for Black Widow or Captain America to one shot a planet at this point.

Originally posted by zopzop
Planet/Star busting used to be a massively impressive feat. Now unless you're busting at least a universe, you are below herald level. I'm just waiting for Black Widow or Captain America to one shot a planet at this point. Love your sig mate, and spot on.

Originally posted by zopzop
Planet/Star busting used to be a massively impressive feat. Now unless you're busting at least a universe, you are below herald level. I'm just waiting for Black Widow or Captain America to one shot a planet at this point.

Actually it's getting to the point where you need to be manipulating or causing damage across the multiverse/multiple timelines to be considered much of a deal. Being a universe-level threat is low grade stuff now. Busting planets is street level cosmic.

Does it actually have to be a literal planet busting feat?
Or a feat that surpassed the force capable of one shoting a planet?

Originally posted by h1a8
Does it actually have to be a literal planet busting feat?
Or a feat that surpassed the force capable of one shoting a planet?

The opening post said planets/stars

Planet with life on it or does dead, lifeless planets count?

Originally posted by Test123
Looking for examples of characters busting planets/stars under their own power, preferrably in one shot (not chain reactions or slowly overloading the core).

If you can include it, try to include how big the planet/star is meant to be, because sometimes the planet could be a dwarf planet, or so small that you can see the curvature just standing on it.


Its difficult to get info on how big fictional planets and stars are. Its not commonplace for that information to be given.

Either way, Surfers a planet buster at least, when he wants to be:

https://imgur.com/4m906II

https://imgur.com/8f8KHix

https://imgur.com/aymKqYl

Yeah, many Galactus heralds, have busted a planet, and i believe the others could. As have the characters I consider their peers in Marvel.

Terrax in Annihilation: Heralds.

Pretty sure Beta Ray Bill busted some in his 3-issue series called Godkiller. Maybe in his Stormbreaker series too, now that I think of it.

Originally posted by Thinkerer
Terrax in Annihilation: Heralds.

Pretty sure Beta Ray Bill busted some in his 3-issue series called Godkiller. Maybe in his Stormbreaker series too, now that I think of it.



Annihilation: Heralds of Galactus:

https://imgur.com/iYay73z

As for Beta Ray Bill, i had a look and the series was called Godhunter.

He didnt destroy any planets himself, in the 1st issue he used his ships armoury to destroy the planet.

Originally posted by carver9
Planet with life on it or does dead, lifeless planets count?

Either one counts

Originally posted by h1a8
Does it actually have to be a literal planet busting feat?
Or a feat that surpassed the force capable of one shoting a planet?

Ideally an actual planet being busted, because statements could be iffy, unless of course there's some way to quantify it and prove it's above planet busting. Like if the amount of energy is measured.

Bait is obvious.

Originally posted by abhilegend


Bait is obvious. Originally posted by abhilegend


Bait is obvious.

If these instances are super common, then surely there must be lots of examples, so far it's just been Surfer, Terrax, and BRB.

Looking for clear cut examples, ideally done in one shot, not over an extended period of time.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Mano destroys planet and survives the explosion
https://ibb.co/M568K9P
https://ibb.co/ckCCwNY
https://ibb.co/94R6Qbm
https://ibb.co/9T1Rhbp

Superbly Prime

I remember Gladiator did it long ago.

https://imgur.io/9jxWWc7?r

This planet or moon exploded after impact too I think.

Theres some instances mentioned in this topic too.

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/marvel-2073/planet-busters-1515726/

Off the top of my head

Surfer (against Ravenous)
Drax (if you count ripping a star's core out)
Terrax
Fallen One
Galactus (herald my rage blast)
WBH
Saitama
Multiple DBZ characters
Mxy

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Superbly Prime

Are your referencing the Death Metal fight?

He shouldn't want to reference that tbh.

Originally posted by Test123
Are your referencing the Death Metal fight? No when he was Guardian amped. Of course he moved planets when he wasn't amped so the centre of the Universe was not Oa. To be honest that's a bigger feature.

Alright so it's mostly been planet busting, are there many instances of star busting? Nova kind of did destroy a star but that wasn't necessarily raw power. Oh and also Magus basically ripping a star apart was pretty cool.

Originally posted by Test123
If these instances are super common, then surely there must be lots of examples, so far it's just been Surfer, Terrax, and BRB.

Looking for clear cut examples, ideally done in one shot, not over an extended period of time.


As if your intent wasn't obvious.

Originally posted by abhilegend


As if your intent wasn't obvious.

What's wrong with asking questions? People have posted a few so far, mostly of the heralds.

Originally posted by Test123
What's wrong with asking questions? People have posted a few so far, mostly of the heralds.


Anyway, here's a literal star busting feat from Kyle.

http://imgur.com/a/lLEBi

Mind you, after the supernova, Solaris becomes a neutron star.

https://postimg.cc/Vr1KDSGy

And Kyle's ring shatters him like a pebble.

https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-489921f4a139ab147b1c5b4229a6e163-pjlq

Solaris wasn't a star Abhi.

It wasn't even that big.

https://i.imgur.com/2uCem0Fm.jpg

Also Superman One Million helped Kyle contain the explosion with his Force Vision.

https://i.imgur.com/xMhG8Vwm.jpg

And it wasn't Kyle that finished off Solaris it was Superman Prime with his Green Lantern ring.

Originally posted by Astner
Solaris wasn't a star Abhi.

It wasn't even that big.

https://i.imgur.com/2uCem0Fm.jpg



You're stupid.

Solaris has the mass of a star, unequivocally stated several times.

https://i.postimg.cc/4xCWdBTZ/7163820-power-solaris-has-the-mass-gravity-and-properties-of-a-existing-sun-dcu-villains-secret.jpg




And?

It was his ring that shattered it lol.

Yeah, though I can't see the imgur scans, I'm always under the impression that Solaris is an artificial neutron star with all the properties of a natural one that it can control(so its mass/gravity/heat etc can change at his whims)

"These man-made stars can manifest all the heat, mass, gravity and energy of a natural star"
"Though artificial in construction, the super-intelligent Solaris is a functioning sun, generating a star's mass and accompanying gravity, heat, light and solar radiation"

And as you can see, its size and weight actually are variable, so it's reasonable the size doesn't really matter much in Solaris' case
"Diameter:Variable
Weight/Mass:Variable"

https://ibb.co/HrYyycK


In the actual comics, Solaris also states it has the gravitational pull of a collapsed neutron star
https://ibb.co/wzBNyFz

It was said Solaris tried to use his neutron gravity to pull the planets into his dark orbit
https://ibb.co/HKS9HKM

In future state Solaris and another sun god also caused geomagnetic storms IIRC

etcetcetc
So I'm always under the impression that Solaris is a neutron star with control of its own size

Originally posted by abhilegend


Anyway, here's a literal star busting feat from Kyle.

http://imgur.com/a/lLEBi

Mind you, after the supernova, Solaris becomes a neutron star.

https://postimg.cc/Vr1KDSGy

And Kyle's ring shatters him like a pebble.

https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-489921f4a139ab147b1c5b4229a6e163-pjlq

I asked for feat done under a character's own power, he had to increase the mass of it's core so it went nova. He couldn't simply destroy it with his own power.

After Solaris is defeated Superman Prime uses his ring to crush him, not Kyle. How is this in any way star busting? It's just Superman Prime destroying an already defeated, vulnerable, and near-death Solaris

The only good thing there is Kyle temporarily containing a supernova, and then needing help.

Originally posted by abhilegend


You're stupid.
You're still really upset with me huh? It's been over three months since we debated last, it's time to let it go.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Solaris has the mass of a star, unequivocally stated several times.

https://i.postimg.cc/4xCWdBTZ/7163820-power-solaris-has-the-mass-gravity-and-properties-of-a-existing-sun-dcu-villains-secret.jpg
No it doesn't. Even the full page scan of this crop, makes it clear that these things are variable. And I'm not sure why you're still posting crops without sources when I've repeatedly told you that if you're debating with me you need to source your crops and scans, or I'll just ask for them and drag out the debate.

This time I'm going to do it for you, but in the future you'll have to source your own scans.

https://i.imgur.com/pbPWGaZm.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/77xe1Svm.jpg

DCU Villains: Secret Files & Origins

Originally posted by abhilegend
And?

It was his ring that shattered it lol.
So let me sort this out.

The opening poster is specifically asking for natural planet- and star-busting feats. Even specifying to provide the size of the astronomical objects if available.

You give him Solaris, a small artificial sun, avoiding to provide any details concerning its size (despite specifically being requested). You then imply by the omission of evidence that Kyle himself contained the "nova" generated by Solaris. When in reality it was a combined feat for both Kyle and Superman One Million. You then lie again by claiming that Kyle crushed a Solaris when it was Superman Prime.

Here's the unabridged scene for context.

https://i.imgur.com/LP02vDTm.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/C9jbtpvm.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/Bcjgp2Bm.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/NspieL9m.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/NKWlfVym.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/5xAD24mm.jpg

DC One Million (1998) #4

Originally posted by Test123
I asked for feat done under a character's own power, he had to increase the mass of it's core so it went nova. He couldn't simply destroy it with his own power.

And increasing it's mass is not his own power?

His mass was still of a star and it was literally his own ring that did it.

Originally posted by Astner
You're still really upset with me huh? It's been over three months since we debated last, it's time to let it go.

No, I just call stupid people, well stupid.



And what exactly do you think is this supposed to prove, my dear stupid guy? I posted the cropped portion because you have trouble understanding words.

Lol, a star that goes supernova and has neutron star mass, already provided. Like I said, you have trouble reading sometimes.
Haha, you're still stuck at its size dictating it's mass? You really are dumb.

None of that happened. Read again.

Again, what exactly do you think this is supposed to prove?

Didn't the scan state these stellar computers(I.E, Solaris) can manifest basical all the properties, including the masd, of a natural one?

So if anything, it actually supports Abhi's stance IMO

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Didn't the scan state these stellar computers(I.E, Solaris) can manifest basical all the properties, including the masd, of a natural one?

So if anything, it actually supports Abhi's stance IMO
You don't understand bro, the scan literally says Solaris collapsed into a black hole after increasing it's mass but this idiot think just because it was small in shape, it wasn't a sun.

Anyway, a "straight" up star busting feat as they say. A weaker than current era Superman destroyed the sun fighting Darkseid in Future State and killed them both.

https://i.postimg.cc/gr5cGGkm/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/3kQKD9vq/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/3kj3jpjx/image.jpg

Thunderer destroys Earth-7

https://i.postimg.cc/JDMKFs2x/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/PpyKntGj/image.jpg

Originally posted by abhilegend
And increasing it's mass is not his own power?

His mass was still of a star and it was literally his own ring that did it.



It's not a power, he's flinging meteors into it's core. That's not star busting, just like if you drop a nuke on a city that doesn't make you a city buster. It's got to be done with your own energy/power.

A clear cut example is Magus ripping a star apart with its bare hands.

Solaris' mass wasn't mentioned, and it was Superman Prime doing that with his ring.

Originally posted by Test123
It's not a power, he's flinging meteors into it's core. That's not star busting, just like if you drop a nuke on a city that doesn't make you a city buster. It's got to be done with your own energy/power.

How's moving enough mass to increase a star's mass casually not his own power?

And?

It was. He mentioned that after going supernova, he reverts to neutron star mass.

https://i.imgur.io/LP02vDT_d.webp?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

It shows that the ring is capable of shattering stars and Kyle can do that too since it is his own ring.

Originally posted by abhilegend
How's moving enough mass to increase a star's mass casually not his own power?

And?

It was. He mentioned that after going supernova, he reverts to neutron star mass.

https://i.imgur.io/LP02vDT_d.webp?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

It shows that the ring is capable of shattering stars and Kyle can do that too since it is his own ring.

He's flinging meteors from a slingshot, and also causing nuclear chain reactions inside the core. If he can just crush it with his own ring why doesn't he do that instead?

Magus doesn't need to mess with the core, make it go nova and then crush the remains, he can just outright destroy it.

It's mentioned he turns into "neutron solaris" but nowhere is his mass mentioned, it's variable so it could be any mass.

Originally posted by Test123
He's flinging meteors from a slingshot, and also causing nuclear chain reactions inside the core. If he can just crush it with his own ring why doesn't he do that instead?

Because Solaris had countermeasures for that. Even a black hole couldn't destroy Solaris.

And?

He mentioned that he destroyed Khund star by turning into neutron Solaris, so his mass would be bigger than a regular star.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Because Solaris had countermeasures for that. Even a black hole couldn't destroy Solaris.

And?

He mentioned that he destroyed Khund star by turning into neutron Solaris, so his mass would be bigger than a regular star.

He had countermeasures for a core collapse, but what does that have to do with being crushed? Kyle could simply do that if it's so easy, no need to go through the procedure of a core collapse and nova.

He became Neutron solaris, but he didn't mention how exactly he defeated the khund star, or what mass he had, it's variable so we don't know unless he states it.

Originally posted by Test123
He had countermeasures for a core collapse, but what does that have to do with being crushed? Kyle could simply do that if it's so easy, no need to go through the procedure of a core collapse and nova.

Because it was the only option, Wally literally computed billions of scenarios lol. Read the comic.

He didn't defeat it, he destroyed the khund star. How else is he going to do it except rip it apart by its mass?

Are you dumb?

Psimon destroys planets:
http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t/25491943_New_Titans_114-09.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t/25491944_New_Titans_114-14.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t/25491945_New_Titans_114-17.jpg

Donna later recalled the above scene:
http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t/25491941_Darkstars_1992_28_-_10.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t/25491942_Darkstars_1992_28_-_12.jpg

Sodam Yat destroys planet sized Ranx.

https://imgur.com/BNyaPQl

Originally posted by abhilegend
Because it was the only option, Wally literally computed billions of scenarios lol. Read the comic.

He didn't defeat it, he destroyed the khund star. How else is he going to do it except rip it apart by its mass?

Are you dumb?

So the only option was to cause it go supernova, essentially destroying it's core and plasma generators, and then crushing it. That would just mean they had to weaken Solaris in order to defeat him seeing as he's damaged, got smoke coming off him and malfunctioning.

He could simply blow it apart with a blast, assuming he's got enough power he doesn't have to use his mass.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Sodam Yat destroys planet sized Ranx.

https://imgur.com/BNyaPQl

We've seen Ranx next to Mogo and it's smaller, is there any indication as how to large Mogo is supposed to be? Or Oa?

Wow, Abhi is heatedly arguing with both Astner and GS at the SAME time. This is almost like KMC of the past, GS is arguing with a few at once also. Love it! Top notch all round guys!

Originally posted by Test123
So the only option was to cause it go supernova, essentially destroying it's core and plasma generators, and then crushing it. That would just mean they had to weaken Solaris in order to defeat him seeing as he's damaged, got smoke coming off him and malfunctioning.

His mass was still neutron star level.

Not an option lol.

Originally posted by Test123
We've seen Ranx next to Mogo and it's smaller, is there any indication as how to large Mogo is supposed to be? Or Oa?
Ranx was as big as Mogo in that story, it had increased it's size.

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-b0r0TOTCIXc/VqCbPEZa_pI/AAAAAAAAIf0/gvw9buBFAxE/s1600-Ic42/RCO002.jpg

Mogo is bigger than Earth in all probability as it would've torn Oa apart with it's gravity alone.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Its difficult to get info on how big fictional planets and stars are. Its not commonplace for that information to be given.

Either way, Surfers a planet buster at least, when he wants to be:

https://imgur.com/4m906II

https://imgur.com/8f8KHix

https://imgur.com/aymKqYl Originally posted by GalacticStorm


Annihilation: Heralds of Galactus:

https://imgur.com/iYay73z

As for Beta Ray Bill, i had a look and the series was called Godhunter.

He didnt destroy any planets himself, in the 1st issue he used his ships armoury to destroy the planet. Originally posted by Thinkerer
Theres some instances mentioned in this topic too.

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/marvel-2073/planet-busters-1515726/
Any idea about the sizes of these planets?

@Test123

Originally posted by abhilegend
Any idea about the sizes of these planets?

@Test123

Hard to say for Surfer, but I think in his fight with Morg there were some moons around and I've seen some people try to use that as some sort of way to determine size.

BRB on the other hand I think those planets are small, not just because of how big they look in comparison to him and the blasts, but also because I saw Oeming say they were small planets. Thor also had a similar feat where he's basically standing on the planet and you can see it's whole curvature, very small.

Originally posted by Test123
Hard to say for Surfer, but I think in his fight with Morg there were some moons around and I've seen some people try to use that as some sort of way to determine size.

BRB on the other hand I think those planets are small, not just because of how big they look in comparison to him and the blasts, but also because I saw Oeming say they were small planets. Thor also had a similar feat where he's basically standing on the planet and you can see it's whole curvature, very small.
So in effect, C list DC characters like Psimon, Thunderer and Sodam Yat have better planet busting feats lol.

Has any marvel top tier has destroyed a confirmed Earth sized planet? At all?

Originally posted by abhilegend
No, I just call stupid people, well stupid.



Naah, you just act like a child. No one here takes you serious, ABHI, so you name calling like a kid, especially considering your age, only makes you look stupid, not the person you're calling stupid.

Originally posted by carver9
Naah, you just act like a child. No one here takes you serious, ABHI, so you name calling like a kid, especially considering your age, only makes you look stupid, not the person you're calling stupid.

Originally posted by abhilegend
So in effect, C list DC characters like Psimon, Thunderer and Sodam Yat have better planet busting feats lol.

Has any marvel top tier has destroyed a confirmed Earth sized planet? At all?

Well Surfer's feats would be on par with the other planet busters (or above like his clash with Morg destroying moons), it's only BRB who the writer said destroyed a small planet.

Also Ranx in other scans is smaller than Mogo, and although Mogo's gravity can mess with Oa, we don't know how big Oa is in the first place.

Originally posted by Test123
Well Surfer's feats would be on par with the other planet busters (or above like his clash with Morg destroying moons), it's only BRB who the writer said destroyed a small planet.

Also Ranx in other scans is smaller than Mogo, and although Mogo's gravity can mess with Oa, we don't know how big Oa is in the first place.
How's it above? Even small planets can have multiple moons.

Oa is big enough that it can accommodate an entire new world as Mosaic (several cities from across the universe).

Forget planet, this doesn't even look like a moon Surfer and Morg destroyed. You can see the curvature of the asteroid in the first scan and the second scan.






https://i.postimg.cc/1zsmQWsH/image.jpg



https://i.postimg.cc/HLzpsQLC/image.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/0QHP7PmW/image.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/KzYmKRK3/image.jpg


https://i.postimg.cc/T1zxH0tn/image.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/1XnPH2r9/image.jpg

This is a small asteroid from all intents and purposes.

This is better than all the Marvel top tiers planet busting feats put together because it is the only time we see the mass and the gravity of the planet shown.

https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-06abe08a8d4e39886673ae196ae3305b-lq

Essentially the planet is so dense Superman can't fly off of it due to its insane escape velocity.

Originally posted by carver9
Naah, you just act like a child. No one here takes you serious, ABHI, so you name calling like a kid, especially considering your age, only makes you look stupid, not the person you're calling stupid.
Originally posted by -Pr-
With that much projection you could open a cinema.

You even backing up someone screaming stupid and idiot to people shows your character tbh.

Yes, we are awful, awful persons. Save us gamma prophet!!!!

Originally posted by abhilegend
How's it above? Even small planets can have multiple moons.

Oa is big enough that it can accommodate an entire new world as Mosaic (several cities from across the universe).

Not above, but the Annihilation feat for example is about the same as the others, since the planet's size can't be determined. Also Superman's planet bust in Rebirth we see the planet's curvature, would you say that's small?

As for Oa housing cities, how does that determine its size? How many cities and how big are the cities?

Originally posted by Test123
Not above, but the Annihilation feat for example is about the same as the others, since the planet's size can't be determined.
Yes, but even that looked small.

It doesn't matter. The planet was so dense that it stopped Superman from flying away via it's absurd escape velocity and Superman flew across galaxy after destroying it.

The sheer mass of the planet would be absurd if it can stop a FTL character from flying away.

Well, Hal said that it had cities from every world GLs patrolled. That's an absurd number of cities.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, but even that looked small.

It doesn't matter. The planet was so dense that it stopped Superman from flying away via it's absurd escape velocity and Superman flew across galaxy after destroying it.

The sheer mass of the planet would be absurd if it can stop a FTL character from flying away.

Well, Hal said that it had cities from every world GLs patrolled. That's an absurd number of cities.

The planet in Annihilation wasn't so small that you could see the curvature just standing on it's surface.

Superman was weakened, which is why he had trouble flying off the planet, that doesn't speak to it's density though.

And this doesn't look like an asteroid?

https://ibb.co/PWxG8CM

Originally posted by Test123
The planet in Annihilation wasn't so small that you could see the curvature just standing on it's surface.

We did see its curvature from space compared to Ravenous.

Superman while even more weakened flew across a whole galaxy just after shattering the planet. Of course it was due to its density. Don't be an idiot lol.

Originally posted by carver9
And this doesn't look like an asteroid?

https://ibb.co/PWxG8CM
Its size is irrelevant when it is so heavy that it stops Superman from flying away.

Originally posted by abhilegend
We did see its curvature from space compared to Ravenous.

Superman while even more weakened flew across a whole galaxy just after shattering the planet. Of course it was due to its density. Don't be an idiot lol.

Of course you can see curvature from space, that can apply to any planet, but seeign curvature standing on it's surface is different.

He flew to the nearest sun which then energized him.

Originally posted by Test123
Of course you can see curvature from space, that can apply to any planet, but seeign curvature standing on it's surface is different.

It does not look big from all evidence.

The suns were at the other side of the galaxy lol.

https://i.postimg.cc/14LdyRQF/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/vcfNTRYN/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/gxpB6Mrk/image.jpg

Maybe read the comic? There were literally no suns in the pocket universe he was trapped in, only on the other side.

Originally posted by abhilegend
It does not look big from all evidence.

The suns were at the other side of the galaxy lol.

https://i.postimg.cc/14LdyRQF/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/vcfNTRYN/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/gxpB6Mrk/image.jpg

Maybe read the comic? There were literally no suns in the pocket universe he was trapped in, only on the other side.

What evidence?

He's trapped in a galaxy, and nowhere is it mentioned how far away the suns are from him. Also Batman had to push the suns into fast orbit because Superman couldn't reach them in time.

Originally posted by Test123
What evidence?

Its curvature is shown and Surfer says it was a barren world, not able to support life.

Forger literally says that the food is on the other side of the pocket universe.

https://postimg.cc/14LdyRQF

"There's a cosmic garden on the other side with food for you".

Batman first moved the suns away from Superman and then moved them back to him.

Abhi, the planet was denser, Superman just couldn't get off the planet because Forger made that entire dimension to contain him and it would've worked if Batman didn't intervene.

Originally posted by carver9
Abhi, the planet was denser, Superman just couldn't get off the planet because Forger made that entire dimension to contain him and it would've worked if Batman didn't intervene.
Wut? The planet was the only thing keeping him and every other Superman who died trapped.

https://postimg.cc/14LdyRQF

"Your abilities are fading".

"If you leap, you'll die in space and drift back here as all others have before you".

Originally posted by abhilegend
Wut? The planet was the only thing keeping him and every other Superman who died trapped.

https://postimg.cc/14LdyRQF

"Your abilities are fading".

"If you leap, you'll die in space and drift back here as all others have before you".

https://ibb.co/KrqHzd1

He couldn't leave the planet because not only the planet was meant to keep him trapped there, the entire universe fought against him.

Originally posted by carver9
https://ibb.co/KrqHzd1

He couldn't leave the planet because not only the planet was meant to keep him trapped there, the entire universe fought against him.
What did the universe do to hold him there lol? The whole universe only had one planet to hold Superman there.

You should ask World Forger since he literally mentions the entire pocket universe was meant to hold him.

Originally posted by carver9
You should ask World Forger since he literally mentions the entire pocket universe was meant to hold him.
Yes, because the whole thing had only one planet which was holding Superman. After the planet is destroyed, literally nothing is there to stop him.


I mean, c'mon, at least try with hollow planet shit.

Wait, so Carver you are suggesting that, despite an entire universe fought against Superman. Superman was still able to destroy a planet by just jumping?

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Wait, so Carver you are suggesting that, despite an entire universe fought against Superman. Superman was still able to destroy a planet by just jumping?

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Wait, so Carver you are suggesting that, despite an entire universe fought against Superman. Superman was still able to destroy a planet by just jumping?

Nothing there states he had a universe worth of weight pushed on him, but yes, that small pocket dimension, no matter where he went, fought against him just like World Forger said. Also, he almost died if Batman didn't save him.

Originally posted by carver9
Nothing there states he had a universe worth of weight pushed on him, but yes, that small pocket dimension, no matter where he went, fought against him just like World Forger said. Also, he almost died if Batman didn't save him.
So Superman was pushed back by an entire universe/galaxy, but still managed to escape that planet and destroyed it in the process, and flied across said galaxy in a short period, when he was at his deathbed

Originally posted by carver9
Nothing there states he had a universe worth of weight pushed on him, but yes, that small pocket dimension, no matter where he went, fought against him just like World Forger said. Also, he almost died if Batman didn't save him.
How did it fight back carver except its mass?

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
So Superman was pushed back by an entire universe/galaxy, but still managed to escape that planet and destroyed it in the process, and flied across said galaxy in a short period, when he was at his deathbed

Who said he was pushed and how each area worked against him or anything explaining how the spell worked? When he was off planet, it was creating hallucinations on him. World Forger didn't break down anything on how that small pocket dimension held him, he just said it was built to prevent him from leaving. Where in the scans was it mentioned that the planet density prevented Superman from leaving?

Originally posted by carver9
Who said he was pushed and how each area worked against him or anything explaining how the spell worked? When he was off planet, it was creating hallucinations on him. World Forger didn't break down anything on how that small pocket dimension held him, he just said it was built to prevent him from leaving. Where in the scans was it mentioned that the planet density prevented Superman from leaving?
Why else wasn't he able to fly off the planet but flew across the galaxy?

Originally posted by carver9
World Forger didn't break down anything on how that small pocket dimension held, him, he just said it was built to prevent him from leaving.
Cool, so basically, you're saying you have no evidence to back your initial argument(that it's the universe itself kept Superman from leaving the planet instead of, you know, just the planet's gravity that dragged him)

Since like you said, WF never did break down how that dimension contained him. So it actually should be your burden of proof to give us the evidence the pocket universe was preventing him from leaving that planet

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Cool, so basically, you're saying you have no evidence to back your initial argument(that it's the universe itself kept Superman from leaving the planet instead of, you know, just the planet's gravity that dragged him)

Since like you said, WF never did break down how that dimension contained him. So it actually should be your burden of proof to give us the evidence the pocket universe was preventing him from leaving that planet

World Forger said it twice. You can ignore on panel proof all you want but I'm not...

https://ibb.co/VNDHZC8

Originally posted by carver9
World Forger said it twice. You can ignore on panel proof all you want but I'm not...

https://ibb.co/VNDHZC8
Originally posted by carver9
World Forger didn't break down anything on how that small pocket dimension held him

Another, it's obviously a spell and not the gravity of a planet. It was a trap set told hold Superman, not the gravity or density of that planet being increased....

https://ibb.co/xh6Sfx6

Originally posted by abhilegend
Its curvature is shown and Surfer says it was a barren world, not able to support life.

Forger literally says that the food is on the other side of the pocket universe.

https://postimg.cc/14LdyRQF

"There's a cosmic garden on the other side with food for you".

Batman first moved the suns away from Superman and then moved them back to him.

Where is the curvature shown from? Is it from outer space or standing on it's surface? Also what does being able to support life have to do with size? There are planets larger than Earth that can't support life.

You said Superman travelled a whole galaxy to reach the suns, but he didn't reach them, they were too far, until Batman moved it close. WF also doesn't say how far the other side is.

Originally posted by carver9
Another, it's obviously a spell and not the gravity of a planet. It was a trap set told hold Superman, not the gravity or density of that planet being increased....

https://ibb.co/xh6Sfx6
What about that makes it a spell carvster?

Originally posted by Test123
Where is the curvature shown from? Is it from outer space or standing on it's surface? Also what does being able to support life have to do with size? There are planets larger than Earth that can't support life.

Its seen from space, yes. Just because it's a barren world and it's curvature is shown, it is assumed to be a small world. It's on you to prove it was a planet even Earth sized, let alone bigger.

Forger even said Superman will reach them across the galaxy.

https://i.postimg.cc/7ZNBG3zW/image.jpg

No, Batman moved the suns away first while Superman almost reached them.

https://i.postimg.cc/nVT1pFvv/image.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/c4HBJpmP/image.jpg

That means he almost reached the end of the galaxy in a short time. Means obvious FTL travel.

What about it makes it about the density/gravity of the planet. Answer this, why when all the Supermen that made it off the planet died, they drifted back to the planet?

https://ibb.co/n1R4s7K

He even mentions that if Superman left the planet, he would drift right back. How is that possible, ABHI?

Lol... Superman admits Batman helped him...

https://ibb.co/CPsV1zT

And Batman even mentions he had something to do with moving the suns. Did you read the comic, abhigail?

https://ibb.co/QpCL2vR

Originally posted by carver9
What about it makes it about the density/gravity of the planet. Answer this, why when all the Supermen that made it off the planet died, they drifted back to the planet?

https://ibb.co/n1R4s7K

He even mentions that if Superman left the planet, he would drift right back. How is that possible, ABHI?
You know gravity attracts objects, right? The planet's gravity would attract from space to drift them back in.

This is kindergarten stuff, carvster.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol... Superman admits Batman helped him...

https://ibb.co/CPsV1zT

And Batman even mentions he had something to do with moving the suns. Did you read the comic, abhigail?

https://ibb.co/QpCL2vR
He moved the suns away from Superman and then back to him while he was about to die.

Are you sure you're literate?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Its seen from space, yes. Just because it's a barren world and it's curvature is shown, it is assumed to be a small world. It's on you to prove it was a planet even Earth sized, let alone bigger.

Forger even said Superman will reach them across the galaxy.

https://i.postimg.cc/7ZNBG3zW/image.jpg

No, Batman moved the suns away first while Superman almost reached them.

https://i.postimg.cc/nVT1pFvv/image.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/c4HBJpmP/image.jpg

That means he almost reached the end of the galaxy in a short time. Means obvious FTL travel.

This is one of the simplest feats out there, you're a bunch of idiots if you need this much explanation.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You know gravity attracts objects, right? The planet's gravity would attract from space to drift them back in.

This is kindergarten stuff, carvster.

So he flew to another Galaxy but at the same time, the gravitational pull from the planet would bring him back a Galaxy away? These are things that you are saying and it's hilarious.

Originally posted by abhilegend
He moved the suns away from Superman and then back to him while he was about to die.

Are you sure you're literate?

He did move the suns away in the beginning, then he moved then right by Superman.

Originally posted by carver9
So he flew to another Galaxy but at the same time, the gravitational pull from the planet would bring him back a Galaxy away? These are things that you are saying and it's hilarious.
Yes, if he died and stopped flying away, the planet's gravity would drag him in. Are you sure, you're not an idiot? Originally posted by carver9
He did move the suns away in the beginning, then he moved then right by Superman.
Why would Forger want Batman to move the suns away if Superman could never reach him?

Superman almost reached the end of the galaxy towards the suns, Batman moved them away, Superman almost dies, Batman moves them again near Superman.

This is simple stuff, carvster.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, if he died and stopped flying away, the planet's gravity would drag him in. Are you sure, you're not an idiot?
Why would Forger want Batman to move the suns away if Superman could never reach him?

Superman almost reached the end of the galaxy towards the suns, Batman moved them away, Superman almost dies, Batman moves them again near Superman.

This is simple stuff, carvster.

The planet gravity from a galaxy away would pull him back? And you're calling me an idiot.

World Forger asked Batman to move the suns away to kill Superman because his goal is>>>>Superman's life.

He asked Batman to move the sun in issue number 23. As soon as he moved them, this happens...

https://ibb.co/hdRGhGs
https://ibb.co/y6RXsTg

You see it getting dark, ABHI. Superman was literally right in front of the suns and it disappeared. He didn't fly far, at all. Batman made those suns reappear, back in the same spot. I know this sh** hurts ABHI, but move on.

Originally posted by carver9
The planet gravity from a galaxy away would pull him back? And you're calling me an idiot.

Yes, the planet's gravity was so much. It's literally how it stopped Superman from flying away.
Alright, didn't you post the scan which says there is no sunlight in the entire galaxy?

https://ibb.co/xh6Sfx6

Its your scan, right?

So, there's no sunlight in the entire galaxy, Superman was right in front of them suns but he didn't fly far?

https://ibb.co/fqX61Vt

"He is locked away in a Galaxy made to contain him. It's suns give him enough energy to subsist".



I think we are done here.

Actually, I think there is a different interpretation to the dialogue of Batman and WF

The entire scene is. Batman believed WF is their only chance to win, but he also believed that Superman could prove him wrong

So my take is: Batman did both, that is, he didn't move these suns back to Superman, rather he moved it to a fast orbit and Superman couldn't reach them(so the following dialogue is he knew Clark could die)
But also knowing that, if Superman could push through, he could get to the region of sunlight

https://ibb.co/vv5Gr6T

I.E, Batman didn't move them back, his hope was on Superman could push through it.

So if anything, that scene actually makes Superman look better, because not only Superman flied across that galaxy, but also Superman later pushed through to reach these suns which were moved away by Batman when he was dying

Originally posted by abhilegend
Its seen from space, yes. Just because it's a barren world and it's curvature is shown, it is assumed to be a small world. It's on you to prove it was a planet even Earth sized, let alone bigger.

Forger even said Superman will reach them across the galaxy.

https://i.postimg.cc/7ZNBG3zW/image.jpg

No, Batman moved the suns away first while Superman almost reached them.

https://i.postimg.cc/nVT1pFvv/image.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/c4HBJpmP/image.jpg

That means he almost reached the end of the galaxy in a short time. Means obvious FTL travel.

I never claimed the planet was Earth-sized, you however said it was small, so it's on you to prove it.

Superman is locked in a galaxy, Batman moves the suns away to an unknown distance, Superman fails to reach it and nearly dies. We don't know far away they were moved.

Originally posted by carver9
https://ibb.co/fqX61Vt

"He is locked away in a Galaxy made to contain him. It's suns give him enough energy to subsist".



I think we are done here.
Of course we are lol.

Originally posted by Test123
I never claimed the planet was Earth-sized, you however said it was small, so it's on you to prove it.

I don't need to prove a negative. The planet is unknown sized, let's leave it at that.

Batman only moved the suns when Superman almost reached them. As always you are focusing on the wrong details to diminish the feat.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I don't need to prove a negative. The planet is unknown sized, let's leave it at that.

Batman only moved the suns when Superman almost reached them. As always you are focusing on the wrong details to diminish the feat.

Ok so we agree the size is unknown, it's just that you said it looked small.

Agree to disagree on the Superman feat.

Also any other examples? Do you think Hal destroying the Sun-Eater counts as star busting? And if so, how durable are sun eaters meant to be? I've usually only seen them get destroyed when people mess with the cores.

Originally posted by Test123
Ok so we agree the size is unknown, it's just that you said it looked small.

Cool.

There's literally nothing to disagree about.

Sun Eaters literally tank supernovas to travel across stars. They are very durable.

Originally posted by Test123
Looking for examples of characters busting planets/stars under their own power, preferrably in one shot (not chain reactions or slowly overloading the core).

If you can include it, try to include how big the planet/star is meant to be, because sometimes the planet could be a dwarf planet, or so small that you can see the curvature just standing on it. Just stars? Technarch Magus, Drax the Destroyer, Dark Phoenix, Nova (herald)... Characters like Living Tribunal, Galactus, Korvac, Odin and Seth wrecked stars and beyond, so they're beyond star-busting capability, so I don't bother adding them.

Asteroth ate stars like cookies.

Originally posted by ODG
Just stars? Technarch Magus, Drax the Destroyer, Dark Phoenix, Nova (herald)... Characters like Living Tribunal, Galactus, Korvac, Odin and Seth wrecked stars and beyond, so they're beyond star-busting capability, so I don't bother adding them. He was referring to a one shot, no chain reactions, etc.
Drax yes
Nova no

Odin and Seth? Meh
We have no details to exactly what damage they did to a particular star or how many blasts it took.
I never seen Galactus do it.
I never seen Magus, Korbac, or LT do it either

Lobo whilst injured hurled a star around pretty casually.

🤔

What's there to be confused about? He clearly said he possessed stellar mass. Stellar = star.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
What's there to be confused about? He clearly said he possessed stellar mass. Stellar = star.

This ft?

https://ibb.co/DGwG3gF

Yup

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yup

I see that after all these days gone, consistency still isn't your friend. You're the same guy that said Hulk spear showing doesn't count because Proxima was holding the spear, right? Hope you see where I'm going with this

No.

The problem is that you have no idea what the sequence of events is.

Originally posted by Smurph
1. The weight of a star is holding him down.
2. When he is next standing, the spear has been removed.

There is no panel depicting Hulk lifting the spear. You are inferring that it happened, but it is at least equally possible that Proxima first removed the spear, allowing Hulk to get up.

You don't know the order of events, and the fact that you keep ignoring that hole in your argument just underlines your bias.

Exact opposite of the Lobo feat.

Originally posted by Smurph
No.

The problem is that you have no idea what the sequence of events is.



Exact opposite of the Lobo feat.

We already discussed this.

Yes I know.

I'm quoting from another time when we already discussed this.

But you were wrong. He's standing up when she snatched the spear out. You're saying he was still crouched when she did it which doesn't make sense since we saw the motion of the spear when she removed it from him.

Well, he's not actually standing, is he? He's on all fours when the spear is inside him. He's kneeling after the spear is pulled out of him. He never stands during this sequence.

And, again, there is no actual panel of him "lifting" the star. You're inferring that it happened by arguing about what must have happened in order for her to pull the spear at that angle. I read your argument and then I re-read the comic and then I just do the "ehhh" shrug.

(which is more than Hulk does in these panels)

And then you get butthurt that nobody acknowledges this as a feat. Round and round we go.

Originally posted by Smurph
Well, he's not actually standing, is he? He's on all fours when the spear is inside him. He's kneeling after the spear is pulled out of him. He never stands during this sequence.

And, again, there is no actual panel of him "lifting" the star. You're inferring that it happened by arguing about what must have happened in order for her to pull the spear at that angle. I read your argument and then I re-read the comic and then I just do the "ehhh" shrug.

(which is more than Hulk does in these panels)

And then you get butthurt that nobody acknowledges this as a feat. Round and round we go.

He wasn't on all fours when she snatched the spear from his chest. He was on his ft.

https://ibb.co/qdYb48t

We see her snatch the spear from him and we see the position he's in. Trying to change what is shown on panel is ludicrous.

The scan literally tells us the weight of a star was holding him down. The scan I posted above have him standing. I'm not the only person who accept this showing as a ft.

Originally posted by carver9
He wasn't on all fours when she snatched the spear from his chest. He was on his ft.

https://ibb.co/qdYb48t

We see her snatch the spear from him and we see the position he's in. Trying to change what is shown on panel is ludicrous.

The scan literally tells us the weight of a star was holding him down. The scan I posted above have him standing. I'm not the only person who accept this showing as a ft.
So you're saying that Proxima Midnight is holding the weight of a star in her left hand in that scan?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So you're saying that Proxima Midnight is holding the weight of a star in her left hand in that scan?

Yes, the same way Earth held the weight of a sun. 😃

Originally posted by carver9
Yes, the same way Earth held the weight of a sun. 😃

You fail to see my point. I repeat:
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Word of advice when dealing with Carver - he honestly thinks people are out to get him, and he stubbornly digs in. You need to lead him slowly, step by step. He thinks a certain way, then will quickly speed read your post and latch onto random words then argue against them.

Carver, post the EXACT panel (crop it if needed) which shows Hulk FIRST standing up, THEN PM removing the spear. That's what Smurph and other have been arguing this entire past decade or so.

Reread that part of our posts. Stop and think. Read again. Then post. Prove this sequence of events:

1ST: HULK STANDS UP
2ND: PM REMOVES SPEAR.

If you can't, then it's equally likely the order is reversed, i.e. she removed the spear first, then he stood up.

I already proved it. The scan where she pulls the spear out, Hulk was standing. We see the motion of the spear, when she pulled it out, and what position Hulk was in when he pulled the spear out. I'm about to test something outside of the comic vs forum.

Originally posted by carver9
I already proved it. The scan where she pulls the spear out, Hulk was standing. We see the motion of the spear, when she pulled it out, and what position Hulk was in when he pulled the spear out. I'm about to test something outside of the comic vs forum.
But how do you prove that, when it's equally likely from the evidence that he stands up after the spear was pulled out? Remember to ask that in the other forums/threads as well.

Edit: in any case, it's different from Lobo. You are just focussing on 'herp derp, character moves star weight' - but the two instances are different. In Lobo's case, your only argument against it is 'comic physics' - hilarious because the comic specifically laughs at that argument, and because that's not the argument people are using for Hulk.

In Hulk's case, not only is it comics physics, but ALSO, the sequence of events need to be proven (FIRST Hulk stands up, THEN PM removes spear).

And you can't prove it. No one can.

Originally posted by carver9
He wasn't on all fours when she snatched the spear from his chest. He was on his ft.

https://ibb.co/qdYb48t

Those... are his knees? Not his feet?

He just goes from on all fours to kneeling upright and we only see him kneel upright after the spear is out.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But how do you prove that, when it's equally likely from the evidence that he stands up after the spear was pulled out? Remember to ask that in the other forums/threads as well.

I'm going by what's shown on panel, not speculation. We see him standing "when she pulls the spear out". We do not see him in any other position besides this. Adding anything else to those panels are being misleading imo.

Originally posted by Smurph
Those... are his knees? Not his feet?

He just goes from on all fours to kneeling upright and we only see him kneel upright after the spear is out.

His knees are above the ground, not on it. Also, the weight was said to be on his BACK which means if he is standing upward, he still overpowered the weight.

Originally posted by carver9
I'm going by what's shown on panel, not speculation. We see him standing "when she pulls the spear out". We do not see him in any other position besides this. Adding anything else to those panels are being misleading imo.

Prove Hulk stands when she pulls the spear out and not after she pulls it out. Simple.

Originally posted by carver9
His knees are above the ground, not on it. Also, the weight was said to be on his BACK which means if he is standing upward, he still overpowered the weight. But his knees are bent. Are you saying Hulk lifted a sun and then entered a yoga pose?

Originally posted by Smurph
Those... are his knees? Not his feet?

He just goes from on all fours to kneeling upright and we only see him kneel upright after the spear is out.

He's standing in a convenient trench.

If anything, it looks like Hulk's knees only come off the ground because of the force of Proxima yanking the spear out.

Which, checks out. Apparently she's strong enough to casually leap and chuck an object with stellar mass so manhandling Hulk should be no problem.

Originally posted by Smurph
If anything, it looks like Hulk's knees only come off the ground because of the force of Proxima yanking the spear out.

Yeah, that's the impression I got from reading the scans.

I recognize that getting into the angle of Hulk's knees to the ground means analyzing the art on a level that was never meant to hold up to scrutiny.

But, we're only looking at the scan that closely because Carver's arguing about what happened in between the panels. There's no lifting feat based on dialogue or indication of writer intent but he keeps bringing it up so we're left to take a magnifying glass to the scan and look for any hint of a feat.

The physics of the spear
The weight of the star can be activated and deactivated. She increased the density after being thrown. It also has the ability to become black light that can trace its victims path (weightless) and poison them.
She controls the spear mentally. She can decrease the density and pull the spear out, etc

Originally posted by h1a8
The physics of the spear
The weight of the star can be activated and deactivated. She increased the density after being thrown. It also has the ability to become black light that can trace its victims path (weightless) and poison them.
She controls the spear mentally. She can decrease the density and pull the spear out, etc

O...k?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Prove Hulk stands when she pulls the spear out and not after she pulls it out. Simple.


I already did. With the scan I posted. Prove Proxima pulled the sword out when he was crouched over.

Originally posted by Smurph
But his knees are bent. Are you saying Hulk lifted a sun and then entered a yoga pose?

He wasn't crouched like he was before and his knees are above the geound.