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Who wins this?

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Beyonder, obviously.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Beyonder, obviously.

Darkseid easily

Originally posted by zopzop




True Darkseid is as real as Heterosexual Zopzop.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW


True Darkseid is as real as Heterosexual Zopzop.
Literally fictional fiction!

Beyonders as a race are terrified of Dominions who exist out of time and space, just like Darkseid.

Darkseid slaps beyonder silly.

F*ck True Bullseid.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Beyonders as a race are terrified of Dominions who exist out of time and space, just like Darkseid.

Darkseid slaps beyonder silly. does that "terror" still apply to the most current version of beyonder (under ewing)? I really can't remember.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Beyonders as a race are terrified of Dominions who exist out of time and space, just like Darkseid.

Darkseid slaps beyonder silly.



Beyonders have become pathetic

Originally posted by Senor Cage


Beyonders have become pathetic
It's horrible writing. The Beyonders 'fear' the Dominion but the Dominion fear Galactus LOL. Marvel writers suck.

Beyonder sings Darkseid a song for the easy win.

If a retarded farmboy could do it...

Originally posted by zopzop
It's horrible writing. The Beyonders 'fear' the Dominion but the Dominion fear Galactus LOL. Marvel writers suck.

Don't forget the Phoenix too. Marvel has been sucking for a while, especially handling their cosmic characters.

Beyonder stomps.

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
does that "terror" still apply to the most current version of beyonder (under ewing)? I really can't remember.
Ewing himself wrote it in Resurrection of Magneto.

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Originally posted by Glorificus
Beyonder stomps.
Lol no

Originally posted by zopzop
It's horrible writing. The Beyonders 'fear' the Dominion but the Dominion fear Galactus LOL. Marvel writers suck. Dominion is a category. "Normal" Dominions do fear Galactus and the Phoenixforce and universal Abstracts. But the oncoming Dominion that the Beyonders were dealing with has been revealed to be far from a normal Dominion.

As an analogy, a normal Celestial might fight Galactus on a near even scale but Exitar or the Fulcrum or the Voltron Celestial are pretty different from normal Celestials.

Based upon power level my vote goes to the Beyonder. Completely different level of power.

^

Originally posted by Stoic
Based upon power level my vote goes to the Beyonder. Completely different level of power. Originally posted by abhilegend
Lol no

Didn't Waid say there are no alt versions of Darkseid anymore? Either way he's gotten beat up or struggled too many times to opponents far weaker than Beyonder.

Originally posted by Test123
Didn't Waid say there are no alt versions of Darkseid anymore? Either way he's gotten beat up or struggled too many times to opponents far weaker than Beyonder.
Because those are his avatars on lower planes. True form Darkseid fights beings like The Empty Hand and holds his own.

Beyonders got crushed by ****ing Nightmare lol.

darkseid

Originally posted by abhilegend
Because those are his avatars on lower planes. True form Darkseid fights beings like The Empty Hand and holds his own.

Beyonders got crushed by ****ing Nightmare lol.

Didn't he get stomped by Empty Hand and then struggled with the League?

Also Nightmare was taking over the multiverse himself when he fought Beyonder by merging it with his dimension. And Beyonder doesn't struggle with the Avengers or any other JL level team.

DC ship is sinking, they've got nothing left but a few delusional fanboys.

Originally posted by Test123
Didn't he get stomped by Empty Hand and then struggled with the League?

Also Nightmare was taking over the multiverse himself when he fought Beyonder by merging it with his dimension. And Beyonder doesn't struggle with the Avengers or any other JL level team.

empty hand was implied to be the personification of readers. and he destroyed multiverse 2 in multiversity. so he is by all mean at the top of the cosmic totem pole. and darkseid was fighting and trading blow with him in justice league incarnate 5, after supposedly getting stomped by empty hand in issue 4. i suggest actually reading the source materials of what you are discussing alberto.

darkseid also one shotted the quintessence that included the spectre

Darkseid is a cheap ripoff of Controller and Psycho-Man, Mindee.

Blowing things out of proportion, cherypicking and sugarcoating feats is not helping your case.

Originally posted by MrMind
empty hand was implied to be the personification of readers. and he destroyed multiverse 2 in multiversity. so he is by all mean at the top of the cosmic totem pole. and darkseid was fighting and trading blow with him in justice league incarnate 5, after supposedly getting stomped by empty hand in issue 4. i suggest actually reading the source materials of what you are discussing alberto.

darkseid also one shotted the quintessence that included the spectre

Yeah but then he also struggles with Asmodel and the JLA

Originally posted by Test123
Didn't he get stomped by Empty Hand and then struggled with the League?

Also Nightmare was taking over the multiverse himself when he fought Beyonder by merging it with his dimension. And Beyonder doesn't struggle with the Avengers or any other JL level team.
No, he wasn't stomped by The Empty Hand (who was amped).

Nightmare got bitchslapped in his own dimension by Jean ****ing Grey lmao. Try this BS somewhere else. Originally posted by Test123
Yeah but then he also struggles with Asmodel and the JLA
Beyonders literally died to Starbrand and turned into a tree lmao.

Darkseid never struggled with JLA in true form.

Originally posted by abhilegend
No, he wasn't stomped by The Empty Hand (who was amped).

Nightmare got bitchslapped in his own dimension by Jean ****ing Grey lmao. Try this BS somewhere else.
Beyonders literally died to Starbrand and turned into a tree lmao.

Darkseid never struggled with JLA in true form.

Empty Hand literally stomped on him.

He was struggling with Asmodel, who Blue Superman already fought, he struggled with Jon Kent (who tanked his Omega Beams) while fighting off Doomsday and a bunch of others.

Also OP said "The Beyonder" not just any random beyonder

Ironically enough Darkseid right now without his amp is doing better against the Supermen

Originally posted by Test123
he struggled with Jon Kent (who tanked his Omega Beams) while fighting off Doomsday and a bunch of others.

Wasn't that Darkseid(and other Dark Army members) weakened at that time?

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Wasn't that Darkseid(and other Dark Army members) weakened at that time?

Weakened or not, Darkseid was still amped, that and he had help
So a terrible look

And if he was really the most powerful version of Darkseid
then he'd be insanely powerful relative to his normal self

Originally posted by Test123
Empty Hand literally stomped on him.

Which did nothing to him and he stalemated TEH in the next issue.
Asmodel was using flesh suits against Superman Blue on mortal plane, unlike against Darkseid and Darkseid defeated him.

He was weakened.

Beyonder was a child unit, these Beyonders were adult units.

This isn't comicvine, try peddling this BS somewhere else.

Originally posted by Test123
Weakened or not, Darkseid was still amped, that and he had help
So a terrible look

And if he was really the most powerful version of Darkseid
then he'd be insanely powerful relative to his normal self
He wasn't amped, all previous version of Darkseid were divided part of his Godhead.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Which did nothing to him and he stalemated TEH in the next issue.

EH stomped on him, swatted him away like a bug and literally damaged him and made him bleed, Darkseid couldn't beat him and was worse.



And what effects do these flesh suits have on his performance? Pretty sure his suit was destroyed after the MMH fight as well, but still Darkseid was struggling with JL team later on as well.



He still performed just as well as before, he was literally getting held back by the JL Incarnate, got his hit tanked by Captain Carrot, then restrained by that monster who tanked his omega beams. Just a bad performance in general.



And yet this child Beyonder did far better against the heroes than Darkseid ever did.



Comicvine? Lol are you still salty you got ran off that site on your alts? What was the last one you made, Motifian?

I mean looking at Darkseid against those KC heroes he's putting up a way better performance.

hey darksaint, your second child is back for you to torment

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Darkseid is a cheap ripoff of Controller and Psycho-Man, Mindee.

Blowing things out of proportion, cherypicking and sugarcoating feats is not helping your case.

I agree, albertroll is the only one being clear and objective here

Originally posted by Test123
Weakened or not
Not sure how this should be irrelevant though.
I mean, if Superman is weakened by red sunlight to the point he can't lift a car, it says nothing about his normal power levels, whether he gets white sun amp or not

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Not sure how this should be irrelevant though.
I mean, if Superman is weakened by red sunlight to the point he can't lift a car, it says nothing about his normal power levels, whether he gets white sun amp or not

To what point is Darkseid weakened though? He went from struggling with Asmodel and the Justice Incarnate, to struggling with Jon Kent and the rest of the JL. This is meant to be his true form, the strongest version yet and he wasn't impressive.

His most impressive feat was beating the Quintessence who themselves are jobbers.

Originally posted by MrMind
I agree, albertroll is the only one being clear and objective here

Please stop turning yourself into a yellow monkey.

Bring back 2021 Mind.

Originally posted by Test123
To what point is Darkseid weakened though?
His most impressive feat was beating the Quintessence
I think yourself actually answered this question. To being able to oneshot the Quintessence(including the Spectre)
So how poweful would you compare Jon to the Quintessence?

Originally posted by Test123
EH stomped on him, swatted him away like a bug and literally damaged him and made him bleed, Darkseid couldn't beat him and was worse.

More like an amped TEH couldn't beat Darkseid and lured him to be bound by Great Darkness.

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They can't access their full power on the mortal plane.

He wasn't, he casually bound entire JLI including president Superman.





Why are you such an idiot? None of these things happened the way you describe.





Lol no.



For the last time, I don't know who this motifian is, you ****ing retard. You simply give the vibe of a comicvine loser who comes here to get his ass kicked.

That is only a part of Darkseid's Godhead. Cry about it.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
I think yourself actually answered this question. To being able to oneshot the Quintessence(including the Spectre)
So how poweful would you compare Jon to the Quintessence?

He performed better than the Quintessence, didn't job.

Originally posted by abhilegend
More like an amped TEH couldn't beat Darkseid and lured him to be bound by Great Darkness.

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They can't access their full power on the mortal plane.

He wasn't, he casually bound entire JLI including president Superman.





Why are you such an idiot? None of these things happened the way you describe.





Lol no.



For the last time, I don't know who this motifian is, you ****ing retard. You simply give the vibe of a comicvine loser who comes here to get his ass kicked.

That is only a part of Darkseid's Godhead. Cry about it.

Literally got swatted like a gnat, stepped on, and was bleeding from EH's hits.

JLI tanked his hit, especially Captain Carrot, the monster did tank his omega beams and was even restraining Darkseid.

You've literally been on CV before and ran off, no one bought your wank, and Darkseid without his true form is now doing better lol. But according to Waid they're all the same.

Comicvine retard : Darkseid struggled with JLA.

Actual comic: Why didn't Darkseid just kill us all!


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Originally posted by Test123
He performed better than the Quintessence, didn't job.
Yeah, so let's say, how powerful do you think Jon compare to the Quintessence, who are supposedly the highest authority of existence.
I.E, Is Jon far more powerful than The Spectre, Phantom Stranger, Ganthet, Highfaterh(these characters who have a good amount of feats)?

Originally posted by Test123
Literally got swatted like a gnat, stepped on, and was bleeding from EH's hits.

Its impressive how you still don't acknowledge that TEH was amped and still couldn't beat Darkseid, really impressive.

Darkseid literally didn't want to kill JLI, it was stated clearly in Infinite Frontier.

https://i.postimg.cc/QBKX2XdY/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/4KYdX6B5/image.jpg

Why are you such a retard?

I've been to comicvine once, a decade ago as Abhilegend. Never been to that site again.

Waid didn't say anything about that, you ****ing retard. He said there's no alt Darkseid, he's using Morrison's map which makes it clear that every Darkseid on lower planes is an avatar.

Again, why are you so retarded?

Originally posted by Test123
Yeah but then he also struggles with Asmodel and the JLA

this is true form darkseid per op

if this is darkseid avatar vs beyonder, you'd have a point

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Yeah, so let's say, how powerful do you think Jon compare to the Quintessence, who are supposedly the highest authority of existence.
I.E, Is Jon far more powerful than The Spectre, Phantom Stranger, Ganthet, Highfaterh(these characters who have a good amount of feats)?
You see, everyone is downgraded from Superman on comicvine, so Quintessence is less powerful, Superman isn't more powerful.

Its a place full of retards like him.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Yeah, so let's say, how powerful do you think Jon compare to the Quintessence, who are supposedly the highest authority of existence.
I.E, Is Jon far more powerful than The Spectre, Phantom Stranger, Ganthet, Highfaterh(these characters who have a good amount of feats)?

Good amount of feats? Pretty sure Phantom Stranger lost to WW and Superman, Highfather is like Darkseid level (so he'd scale to or below Superman) and Spectre is a jobber as well.

Meh, avatars have better showings than True Shitseid at this point, tbh.

Originally posted by Test123
Good amount of feats? Pretty sure Phantom Stranger lost to WW and Superman, Highfather is like Darkseid level (so he'd scale to or below Superman) and Spectre is a jobber as well. Originally posted by abhilegend
You see, everyone is downgraded from Superman on comicvine, so Quintessence is less powerful, Superman isn't more powerful.

Its a place full of retards like him.
LMAO

Originally posted by abhilegend
Its impressive how you still don't acknowledge that TEH was amped and still couldn't beat Darkseid, really impressive.

Darkseid literally didn't want to kill JLI, it was stated clearly in Infinite Frontier.

https://i.postimg.cc/QBKX2XdY/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/4KYdX6B5/image.jpg

Why are you such a retard?

I've been to comicvine once, a decade ago as Abhilegend. Never been to that site again.

Waid didn't say anything about that, you ****ing retard. He said there's no alt Darkseid, he's using Morrison's map which makes it clear that every Darkseid on lower planes is an avatar.

Again, why are you so retarded?

And Darkseid couldn't beat him either, EH was taking his attacks with no issue while casually swatting him around and making him bleed.

The JLI asked why he didn't kill them, but then he literally kills Batman later on lol. Also Darkseid could just you know, KO or incapacitate them. Even Captain Carrot took his force.

Waid is saying this IS Darkseid, he never mentioned any avatar.

Originally posted by Test123
Good amount of feats? Pretty sure Phantom Stranger lost to WW and Superman, Highfather is like Darkseid level (so he'd scale to or below Superman) and Spectre is a jobber as well.
Like one-shotting a Godstorm amped John Stewart in the same story arc?

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Like one-shotting a Godstorm amped John Stewart in the same story arc?

That's John Stewart jobbing, and is an anti-feat for the Source. I mean even if I accept that beating the Quintessence is really impressive, Darkseid's other showings are inconsistent with it.

>Fighting Asmodel for several pages who was matched by Blue Superman

>Annihilator tanking his Omega Beams and restraining him with his tentacles, who then gets his tentacle sawed off by Superman's HV

>JLI briefly restraining him, who then get flexed off and Captain Carrot is still conscious after being hit

Originally posted by Test123
And Darkseid couldn't beat him either, EH was taking his attacks with no issue while casually swatting him around and making him bleed.

Because TEH was amped, you ****ing retard.

He killed Batman because he was infected with great darkness.

He didn't want to do that because the heroes were useful for him.

He's following Morrison's cosmology and in it, every time Darkseid comes down to lower planes, it's always an avatar.

Originally posted by Test123
That's John Stewart jobbing, and is an anti-feat for the Source. I mean even if I accept that beating the Quintessence is really impressive, Darkseid's other showings are inconsistent with it.

>Fighting Asmodel for several pages who was matched by Blue Superman

>Annihilator tanking his Omega Beams and restraining him with his tentacles, who then gets his tentacle sawed off by Superman's HV

>JLI briefly restraining him, who then get flexed off and Captain Carrot is still conscious after being hit


So any feat for Darkseid is the other character jobbing. Great logic lmao

Originally posted by abhilegend
Because TEH was amped, you ****ing retard.

He killed Batman because he was infected with great darkness.

He didn't want to do that because the heroes were useful for him.

He's following Morrison's cosmology and in it, every time Darkseid comes down to lower planes, it's always an avatar.


So what? He wasn't doing well against TEH, he couldn't beat him, simple as.


The heroes weren't useful when they were literally trying to stop him against the Annihilator, he could've beat them then and there but didn't.

Waid never mentions what cosmology he's following or any avatar, this is just literal fanfiction from you. There's only one Darkseid across the multiverse, no alternate versions.

Originally posted by abhilegend


So any feat for Darkseid is the other character jobbing. Great logic lmao

His feat is beating a pack of jobbers? And then struggling with the JLI and Asmodel?

Asmodel who btw is just a lackey for Neron.

Originally posted by Test123
That's John Stewart jobbing, and is an anti-feat for the Source. I mean even if I accept that beating the Quintessence is really impressive, Darkseid's other showings are inconsistent with it.

Ok, so we get over with "no feats" for the Quintessence part.
And I think you're missing the point of our discussion. The whole discussion is about you using Jon as example...while Darkseid is weakened, and then you ask "To what point is Darkseid weakened though? "

Aside from the Quintessence, you can also use his previous showings(stalemating AM, destroying universes, or like you mentioned in this thread, casually beaing Prime Superman and KC Superman along with other KC heroes etc) to compare.
The point being, the answer would vary astronomically. It essentially becomes if Superman is weakend by red sunlight to the point he can't lift a car, then how powerful can we deduce his normal power levels from this?

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Ok, so we get over with "no feats" for the Quintessence part.
And I think you're missing the point of our discussion. The whole discussion is about you using Jon as example...while Darkseid is weakened, and then you ask "To what point is Darkseid weakened though? "

Aside from the Quintessence, you can also use his previous showings(stalemating AM, destroying universes, or like you mentioned in this thread, casually beaing Prime Superman and KC Superman along with other KC heroes etc) to compare.
The point being, the answer would vary astronomically. It essentially becomes if Superman is weakend by red sunlight to the point he can't lift a car, then how powerful can we deduce his normal power levels from this?

He's weakened to the point where he's not performing much differently than when he wasn't weakened. Also why would I use his KC showings, isn't the thread talking about TF Darkseid specifically?

The very same writer who created Godstorm John Stewart states Esak as more powerful than him and Orion would trouble Esak, Highfather and Darkseid are beyond Esak.

https://community.cbr.com/showthread.php?164354-John-Stewart-The-Emerald-Knight-1-Preview/page2&p=6314078#post6314078

Random comicvine retard : Spectre beating Godstorm John Stewart is him jobbing because Darkseid killed Spectre.

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Originally posted by Test123
He's weakened to the point where he's not performing much differently than when he wasn't weakened. Also why would I use his KC showings, isn't the thread talking about TF Darkseid specifically?
Like one-shotting the Quintessence?

As for the KC showings, like you said, they're the same Darkseid, the only difference here is TF Darkseid should be amped/more powerful than the one mentioned in KC

Originally posted by Test123
So what? He wasn't doing well against TEH, he couldn't beat him, simple as.

Because TEH was amped, when are you going to acknowledge that, retard?

He could have killed them anytime he wanted as shown in Infinite Frontier 6, written by the same ****ing writer. Why are you so stupid?

He literally shows Morrison's multiverse map, you ****ing retard.

https://i.postimg.cc/S2KW3NXY/image.jpg

What do you think he showed the multiverse map for?

John Stewart who's now more powerful than all the Guardians, Controllers, and Zamarons combined getting stomped by a weakened Spectre is jobbing yes, considering the likes of Sinestro and Parallax Hal have tanked the attacks of non-weakened Spectre.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Because TEH was amped, when are you going to acknowledge that, retard?

He could have killed them anytime he wanted as shown in Infinite Frontier 6, written by the same ****ing writer. Why are you so stupid?

He literally shows Morrison's multiverse map, you ****ing retard.

https://i.postimg.cc/S2KW3NXY/image.jpg

What do you think he showed the multiverse map for?

So he's below TEH, glad we agree, he got damaged while failing to damage TEH himself.

He couldn't even KO Captain Carrot when he hit him, and then got restrained by the Annihilator, who got his tentacles cut off by Superman.

Waid never mentions any avatar, just that it is Darkseid, not some alt version.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Like one-shotting the Quintessence?

As for the KC showings, like you said, they're the same Darkseid, the only difference here is TF Darkseid should be amped/more powerful than the one mentioned in KC

One-shotting the Quintessence and then struggling with Asmodel and the JLI, he then struggles with Jon later on. So there's not much difference.

As for the KC version he's doing better against two Superman there than the entire JLI. But logically it doesn't add up since TF is supposed to be stronger

Originally posted by Test123
John Stewart who's now more powerful than all the Guardians, Controllers, and Zamarons combined getting stomped by a weakened Spectre is jobbing yes, considering the likes of Sinestro and Parallax Hal have tanked the attacks of non-weakened Spectre.
Or maybe, just maybe Spectre is just that powerful under Williamson (Sinestro and Parallax happened under Johns). Originally posted by Test123
So he's below TEH, glad we agree, he got damaged while failing to damage TEH himself.

He couldn't even KO Captain Carrot when he hit him, and then got restrained by the Annihilator, who got his tentacles cut off by Superman.

Waid never mentions any avatar, just that it is Darkseid, not some alt version.
An amped TEH, you ****ing retard, when are you going to acknowledge the amp?

So somehow the same writer who had him kill Quintessence, made him sub Superman, retard?

What's the purpose of showing Morrison's multiverse map is, retard?

Originally posted by Test123
One-shotting the Quintessence and then struggling with Asmodel and the JLI, he then struggles with Jon later on. So there's not much difference.

Too much context for a retard I suppose.

Of course it doesn't, because you are a retard.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Or maybe, just maybe Spectre is just that powerful under Williamson (Sinestro and Parallax happened under Johns).
An amped TEH, you ****ing retard, when are you going to acknowledge the amp?

So somehow the same writer who had him kill Quintessence, made him sub Superman, retard?

What's the purpose of showing Morrison's multiverse map is, retard?

So he weakens Spectre but also makes him more powerful than a guy who's > Sinestro? Yeah that's called jobbing if Sinestro does better than an amped John Stewart.

Darkseid has notoriously been sub-Superman so this is not shocking, Phantom Stranger has failed to beat Superman, Highfather is Darkseid level so also sub-Superman and the JLI tanked TF Darkseid's hit as well.

I mean the fact that Morrison's map is brought up but Darkseid isn't mentioned to be an avatar, just Darkseid himself, just means that Waid has his own thing going on. Still no mention of an avatar.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Too much context for a retard I suppose.

Of course it doesn't, because you are a retard.

Hey it's not my fault Darkseid is written so badly, you seem awfully triggered though.

Originally posted by Test123
Hey it's not my fault Darkseid is written so badly, you seem awfully triggered though.

How is he written so badly?

Also dudes got thousands of posts on here but can't even follow the rules, no courtesy smh

Originally posted by Senor Cage
How is he written so badly?

KC Darkseid doing better against multiple Supermen than TF Darkseid against the JLI or Jon Kent.

So? There is only one DS

Originally posted by Senor Cage
So? There is only one DS

Yeah now there is according to Waid, but that would mean Darkseid was always his TF?

Originally posted by Test123
Yeah now there is according to Waid, but that would mean Darkseid was always his TF?

Second to the last WW series, they also confirmed only one DS/New Gods.

Originally posted by Senor Cage
Second to the last WW series, they also confirmed only one DS/New Gods.

But does that mean anytime in the past when Superman fought Darkseid that was his true form?

Originally posted by Test123
But does that mean anytime in the past when Superman fought Darkseid that was his true form?

Not according to the Hyper God who explainied what the NG's are.

Originally posted by Test123
One-shotting the Quintessence and then struggling with Asmodel and the JLI, he then struggles with Jon later on. So there's not much difference.

As for the KC version he's doing better against two Superman there than the entire JLI. But logically it doesn't add up since TF is supposed to be stronger
If we ignore all things that make differences, then yeah, there isn't much difference

Originally posted by Test123
So he weakens Spectre but also makes him more powerful than a guy who's > Sinestro? Yeah that's called jobbing if Sinestro does better than an amped John Stewart.

What are you even talking about? Where did Williamson had Sinestro tank Spectre?

Darkseid has never been sub Superman, retard.

JLI never tanked anything, Darkseid shrugged them off and he never wanted to kill them.

Morrison's map itself confirms the fact that any Darkseid we see on mortal plane is an avatar, it doesn't has to be specified every time. Morrison clearly established that Darkseid can't enter the multiverse without destroying it completely.

Originally posted by Test123
Hey it's not my fault Darkseid is written so badly, you seem awfully triggered though.
Yes, killing Quintessence, taking on TEH and established as the left hand of Great Darkness is such bad writing.

Is it my fault that you are such a retard?

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
If we ignore all things that make differences, then yeah, there isn't much difference

1 arguably good feat vs 3 anti-feats, so yeah there's not much difference

Originally posted by abhilegend
What are you even talking about? Where did Williamson had Sinestro tank Spectre?

Darkseid has never been sub Superman, retard.

JLI never tanked anything, Darkseid shrugged them off and he never wanted to kill them.

Morrison's map itself confirms the fact that any Darkseid we see on mortal plane is an avatar, it doesn't has to be specified every time. Morrison clearly established that Darkseid can't enter the multiverse without destroying it completely.

Why would it matter if Williamson did it or not? This weakened Spectre beat John Stewart but wasn't KO'ing Sinestro, it's an anti-feat for Jon.

Darkseid gets his ass kicked by Superman a lot, or just matched by him.

Captain Carrot said he got hit and tanked the attack, he then got restrained by that Annhilator who got his tentacle cut off by Superman.

He also couldn't do shit to TEH with his own powers, his omega beams were getting shrugged off and the Quintessence are jobbers.

Originally posted by Senor Cage
Not according to the Hyper God who explainied what the NG's are.

Then if the Darkseid KC Superman was fighting is an avatar, he's doing better than TF version

Originally posted by MrMind
hey darksaint, your second child is back for you to torment

He has indeed been missed

Originally posted by Test123
Why would it matter if Williamson did it or not? This weakened Spectre beat John Stewart but wasn't KO'ing Sinestro, it's an anti-feat for Jon.

Where did Spectre fail to ko Sinestro in dark crisis.

No, he doesn't.

Captain Carrot shrugged off his entire universe destroyed by gentry because he's from a cartoon world lol.

Annihilator was a brand new character and had cosmic rupture which was how he was able to contend with Darkseid.

https://i.postimg.cc/TLbgZXwm/image.jpg

He literally says "I'm too powerful with this".

As usual, your retarded mind can't understand simple words.



Yes, because TEH was amped. Quintessence are jobbers, John Stewart is a jobber, Spectre is a jobber, just about anyone who can make Darkseid look good is a jobber I guess.

You can do it for literally any character in comics going by this logic. If I started this no character in marvel will be above street level, forget Superman.

Originally posted by Test123
Then if the Darkseid KC Superman was fighting is an avatar, he's doing better than TF version
You're retarded.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Where did Spectre fail to ko Sinestro in dark crisis.

No, he doesn't.

Captain Carrot shrugged off his entire universe destroyed by gentry because he's from a cartoon world lol.

Annihilator was a brand new character and had cosmic rupture which was how he was able to contend with Darkseid.

https://i.postimg.cc/TLbgZXwm/image.jpg

He literally says "I'm too powerful with this".

As usual, your retarded mind can't understand simple words.



Yes, because TEH was amped. Quintessence are jobbers, John Stewart is a jobber, Spectre is a jobber, just about anyone who can make Darkseid look good is a jobber I guess.

You can do it for literally any character in comics going by this logic. If I started this no character in marvel will be above street level, forget Superman.

It was in another story when he was the Red Lantern, not weakened like here.

Superman has a pretty solid track of matching or beating Darkseid, Captain Carrot isn't in his cartoon universe right now lol, and that same Annihilator literally got his tentacle cut off by Superman's HV.

Logically speaking most characters aren't as good as you think they are, that's why you're constantly wanking them. Also you can't even lay off the ad-homs, very poor debating, at least stick to the forum rules since you've been here so long.

I mean, what's going to happen? Will you report him, Test123?

Originally posted by Test123
It was in another story when he was the Red Lantern, not weakened like here.

So, not by Williamson but by Johns.
He doesn't.

He doesn't needs to be in his own universe to do cartoon stuff.

And Darkseid casually overpowered President Superman along with his team. So Darkseid > president Superman>Annihilator, sounds good.

You can't even apply logic since you are retarded.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I mean, what's going to happen? Will you report him, Test123?
He's going to karma flag me 😱😱😱😱😱

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I mean, what's going to happen? Will you report him, Test123?

Why, do you want me to report him? I'm just saying it's a bad way of debating.

Originally posted by Test123
Then if the Darkseid KC Superman was fighting is an avatar, he's doing better than TF version

How is it KC Darkseid?

Originally posted by abhilegend
So, not by Williamson but by Johns.
He doesn't.

He doesn't needs to be in his own universe to do cartoon stuff.

And Darkseid casually overpowered President Superman along with his team. So Darkseid > president Superman>Annihilator, sounds good.

You can't even apply logic since you are retarded.

Doesn't matter, this Godstorm Stewart sucks, Atom Smasher, Black Adam, Sinestro did better against Spectre lol

Superman is Darkseid's peer at the very least and has shrugged off his beams, and even beaten him.

President Superman and the rest of the JLI tanked that attack btw, and President Superman cutting off that Annihilator's arm just further shows how shitty and inconsistent TF Darkseid is.

You don't have logic, you just wank these characters.

Originally posted by Test123
Why, do you want me to report him? I'm just saying it's a bad way of debating.
You simply can't debate.

Originally posted by Senor Cage
How is it KC Darkseid?

I'm talking about the Darkseid that was fighting against the KC heroes

Originally posted by abhilegend
You simply can't debate.

I don't need to use ad-homs to debate

Originally posted by Test123
Why, do you want me to report him? I'm just saying it's a bad way of debating.

You can do whatever you like, it just seems weird to bring forum rules up on a dead forum.

You're the one telling him to stick to forum rules - and if he doesn't, what are you going to do about it? Nothing? Something?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
You can do whatever you like, it just seems weird to bring forum rules up on a dead forum.

You're the one telling him to stick to forum rules - and if he doesn't, what are you going to do about it? Nothing? Something?

He doesn't need to stick to it, he just can't seem to do it and it's a poor way of debating

Originally posted by Test123
He doesn't need to stick to it, he just can't seem to do it and it's a poor way of debating

This you?

Originally posted by Test123
at least stick to the forum rules since you've been here so long.

Originally posted by Test123
Doesn't matter, this Godstorm Stewart sucks, Atom Smasher, Black Adam, Sinestro did better against Spectre lol

Beyonder sucks, Starbrand kills adult Beyonders. One got turned into a tree, he was less powerful than the Tiger God who was defeated by Black Panther.

Beyonder = Street level, confirmed.


He's not Darkseid's peer and Darkseid has outright stomped him several times now.

Getting shrugged off isn't tanking anything. I've already proven Beyonder to be less powerful than Black Panther, up your game.

You don't even have a brain atp.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
This you?

Yeah he doesn't need to, he just can't seem to do it

Originally posted by abhilegend
Not to mention Black Panther defeated Tiger God in combat to gain his full power.

https://i.postimg.cc/Jttdfv5w/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/Btyw4pmj/image.jpg

That's how he accessed superflow.

https://i.postimg.cc/SnLZLhk9/image.jpg

I wonder what the excuse will be now.
https://i.postimg.cc/0MHTLS9z/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/18hQmDw6/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/TyQMJSSq/image.jpg

Black Panther >Tiger God=Phoenix Force >Beyonder.

This is fun.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Beyonder sucks, Starbrand kills adult Beyonders. One got turned into a tree, he was less powerful than the Tiger God who was defeated by Black Panther.

Beyonder = Street level, confirmed.


He's not Darkseid's peer and Darkseid has outright stomped him several times now.

Getting shrugged off isn't tanking anything. I've already proven Beyonder to be less powerful than Black Panther, up your game.

You don't even have a brain atp.

When did "The Beyonder" face off against the Tiger God? Not some other random beyonder.

Several times Superman has been stated to be Darkseid's level
https://imgur.com/a/bH8ZtMY

Captain Carrot tanked it as did the rest of the JLI, and also the annihilator showing.

Originally posted by Test123
When did "The Beyonder" face off against the Tiger God? Not some other random beyonder.

Beyonder simply gave up against Phoenix Force who was stalemated by Tiger God in Defenders Beyond 3.

Most of this is from guidebooks and post Crisis which is no longer relevant after Morrison's revamp of the new gods. You posted a comic scan post Flashpoint of an alternate Superman who got killed by Darkseid on the very next page lmao.

We are talking about Black Panther being more powerful than Beyonder here, keep up.

But how did T'Challa subdue the Tiger God, wasn't it through some spirit magic combat? Not raw power.

Even in the Post-Flashpoint scan it later shows Superman coming out of that torture chamber and fighting Darkseid.

Originally posted by Test123
Yeah he doesn't need to, he just can't seem to do it

Then it just seems weird that you tell him to stick to it (and yes, I caught your sneaky edit).

So again, here you are telling him to stick to forum rules - and if he doesn't, what are you gonna do about it?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Then it just seems weird that you tell him to stick to it (and yes, I caught your sneaky edit).

So again, here you are telling him to stick to forum rules - and if he doesn't, what are you gonna do about it?

Yes I edited to revise my point, no one has to do anything but it's just a bad way of debating

Originally posted by abhilegend
Beyonder simply gave up against Phoenix Force who was stalemated by Tiger God in Defenders Beyond 3.

Most of this is from guidebooks and post Crisis which is no longer relevant after Morrison's revamp of the new gods. You posted a comic scan post Flashpoint of an alternate Superman who got killed by Darkseid on the very next page lmao.

We are talking about Black Panther being more powerful than Beyonder here, keep up.

Ok fine I'll admit it, I don't really have a horse in this race. I'm just here to get some counter-arguments/wank to use on other forums.

Basically CV is very "Marvel centric" so I'm just using their arguments here and looking for a good response.

So thanks Abhi and everyone else, I didn't mean any disrespect but I do want to see another perspective, that's what I'm basically trying to gauge.

Originally posted by Test123
When did "The Beyonder" face off against the Tiger God? Not some other random beyonder.

Several times Superman has been stated to be Darkseid's level
https://imgur.com/a/bH8ZtMY

Captain Carrot tanked it as did the rest of the JLI, and also the annihilator showing.

His avatar, maybe

Originally posted by Test123
Ok fine I'll admit it, I don't really have a horse in this race. I'm just here to get some counter-arguments/wank to use on other forums.

Basically CV is very "Marvel centric" so I'm just using their arguments here and looking for a good response.

So thanks Abhi and everyone else, I didn't mean any disrespect but I do want to see another perspective, that's what I'm basically trying to gauge.
Reminds me of this poster called XLR87T3. Egads!

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Reminds me of this poster called XLR87T3. Egads!

I think he's still active on Discord, not CV though

Ultraphoenix. But yeah, let's all just stuff our posts with ad hominem attacks, and insults.

Let's see those getting reposted.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Ultraphoenix. But yeah, let's all just stuff our posts with ad hominem attacks, and insults.

Let's see those getting reposted.

???

You want to use ad-homs? I don't get your point

Originally posted by Test123
???

You want to use ad-homs? I don't get your point
Yes. Because you're an idiot.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yes. Because you're an idiot.

Lol what's the issue? Nothing wrong with learning

Originally posted by Test123
Lol what's the issue? Nothing wrong with learning

You're being a real carver right now

Jeez it's not a big deal

You know what's not a big deal? Your debating skills

Ok? Always room to learn and improve

Shut it, carver

Carver?

Carver

Poor Carver

Could be worse.

Could be a Baziemarc

Originally posted by Test123
But how did T'Challa subdue the Tiger God, wasn't it through some spirit magic combat? Not raw power.

Even in the Post-Flashpoint scan it later shows Superman coming out of that torture chamber and fighting Darkseid.
No, it was through raw power. White Tiger defeated Tiger God too.

New 52 Darkseid oneshotted Superman twice before he was sent to the torture chamber. Originally posted by Test123
Ok fine I'll admit it, I don't really have a horse in this race. I'm just here to get some counter-arguments/wank to use on other forums.

Basically CV is very "Marvel centric" so I'm just using their arguments here and looking for a good response.

So thanks Abhi and everyone else, I didn't mean any disrespect but I do want to see another perspective, that's what I'm basically trying to gauge.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Could be worse.

Could be a Baziemarc

Honestly I hate carver way more than alberto

Alberto is just a weird troll

Carver is legit retarded

What if I told you there are at least 41.6 million carvers in the United States?

Originally posted by Stoic
Based upon power level my vote goes to the Beyonder. Completely different level of power.

Yes but you need to put lots of detail into it so Bazie can then copy/paste it for another forum

We will see True Form Darkseid again at some point.

But until then, he does not compare to the multiversal feats of Beyonder.

He has better feats tbh

Yes yes but imagine if AI trawls these forums to train their models up, you Carv.

Originally posted by abhilegend
No, he wasn't stomped by The Empty Hand (who was amped).

Nightmare got bitchslapped in his own dimension by Jean ****ing Grey lmao. Try this BS somewhere else.
Beyonders literally died to Starbrand and turned into a tree lmao.

Darkseid never struggled with JLA in true form.

Jean Grey? Try Moon Knight in his dreams lol.

Dumbo would say Moon knight is abstract tier lmao

Originally posted by abhilegend
Dumbo would say Moon knight is abstract tier lmao If you had a single feat of multiversal True Form Darkseid's to lord over the Beyonder's, you'd have mentioned it by now. Instead, you have a limp strawman.

Maybe multiversal True Form Darkseid will get one in the storylines to come. But future hopes don't salvage today's tragic comparisons.

Then again, you probably don't read English well enough to comprehend what I just wrote.

In which case, shut up when you talk to me. Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Meh, avatars have better showings than True Shitseid at this point, tbh.

. . . . .

mhmm

Originally posted by ODG
If you had a single feat of multiversal True Form Darkseid's to lord over the Beyonder's, you'd have mentioned it by now. Instead, you have a limp strawman.

Maybe multiversal True Form Darkseid will get one in the storylines to come. But future hopes don't salvage today's tragic comparisons.

Then again, you probably don't read English well enough to comprehend what I just wrote.

In which case, shut up when you talk to me.

. . . . .

mhmm
Darkseid destroyed the multiverse by simply falling over it from fourth world. He literally became everything in time and space, Heck just his residual omega effect on Batman almost destroyed the entire time stream.

What's the Beyonder's best feat, again?

^ I'm already discussing it with Juntai. After all, you'd need Stiltman's cybernetic legs to reach up and kiss his a$$. So sit quietly and read.

Heck, Final Crisis secret files outright states what Anti Life Equation is, it's a mathematical formula that negates free will.

https://i.postimg.cc/svDn05KZ/8314882-fbcsdsu.jpg

Originally posted by ODG
^ I'm already discussing it with Juntai. After all, you'd need Stiltman's cybernetic legs to reach up and kiss his a$$. So sit quietly and read.
No, what are you gonna do except run away from me?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Heck, Final Crisis secret files outright states what Anti Life Equation is, it's a mathematical formula that negates free will.

https://postimg.cc/svDn05KZ If you think the ALE is only capable of enslaving people -- despite everything it did during Final Crisis -- then you're an abject moron.

Do Juntai a favor and don't tarnish his position. He doesn't need the handicap.

Originally posted by ODG
If you think the ALE is only capable of enslaving people -- despite everything it did during Final Crisis -- then you're an abject moron.

What other things did it do in Final Crisis, dumbo? You know on panel, not in your imagination.

Like I said, put up or shut up.

Originally posted by abhilegend
What other things did it do in Final Crisis, dumbo? You know on panel, not in your imagination. Cracking time and space via an internet broadcast. Unmaking creation. Imbue humans with Omega Finder Beams from their eyes, etc. Read Final Crisis and its tie-ins for this.

Originally posted by ODG
Cracking time and space via an internet broadcast.

Outright confirmed due to the Darkseid's fall, not by ALE. Where do you even get that lmao.
Spectre did that not ALE. He remade creation as he unmade it.

Never even alluded to be due to ALE.

Have you read it? I doubt it if you are so wrong about so much lol

Originally posted by abhilegend
Outright confirmed due to the Darkseid's fall, not by ALE. Where do you even get that lmao. Mokkari pressed a button on a keyboard to unleash the ALE that cracked time and space. On-panel:

https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/ALE01.jpg

To ignore this would require you to pretend that Mokkari pressed a button on a keyboard to unleash Darkseid???

https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/ALE02.jpg

Originally posted by abhilegend
Spectre did that not ALE. He remade creation as he unmade it. Spectre did it by speaking the ALE. On-panel:

https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/ALE03.jpg Originally posted by abhilegend
Never even alluded to be due to ALE. Given that your argument is the ALE is strictly limited to only striping free will, then how did normal humans start shooting Omega Finder Beams???? On-panel:

https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/ALE04.jpg Originally posted by abhilegend
Have you read it? I doubt it if you are so wrong about so much lol You know I have. Multiple times. I've also debated it far more than you against a variety of posters. Leave the actual debate to your betters like Juntai.