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Comic continuity is complicated, especially Marvel and DC. In many cases, you have characters that have been around for decades, with literally thousands of appearances. Even if you think that you have read everything about a character, there's always the chance that they appeared in some obscure crossover or cameo that you don't know about.

At the same time, people love to make up and spread rumors. In my nearly 20 years of reading and posting on comic book forums (especially 'vs' sections), I have heard countless legends and tall tales of feats and scans that supposedly exist, yet I have never seen. I suspect you all have had similar experiences.

Surely a lot of these are pure fabrication, but sometimes there is a grain of truth to them.

In this thread, post examples of these mythical feats and scans, ones you have heard of but never actually seen. Then, if anyone else knows what you're talking about, they can comment on it, or even perhaps post the scan (if it really exists).

I know this is sort of similar to the comic book mythbuster thread, but I figured a thread for this more specific topic would be a good idea.

I'll start with two:

- Firstly, Lobo's famous feat of lifting and throwing a box that contained the weight of the entire universe. I know people who have gone through a lot of comics looking for this, and come up empty. Personally, I don't believe it exists, but feel free to prove me wrong on that.

- I once heard that, in a Marvel/Doctor Who reference/crossover, someone used a Time Lord device (stated to be from Gallifrey) to try to banish/defeat Galactus, but it didn't work, and he said something about having encountered such technology before and prepared for it. Sounds far-fetched, but Marvel did publish Doctor Who comics and did crossovers, and it's even been referenced in the Fantastic Four that Reed knows the Doctor. So I suppose it's possible.

Post any of your own such rumors too, or comment on mine.

So is no one interested in this, or is this forum just slow?

^ Have it moved to the main vs forum. Mythical feats have been cited so often in vs threads that it's not like it's off-topic in that forum.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
or is this forum just slow? Pretty much this, but I'll move it to the versus forum. Might get a little more traction there...

I never believed the Odin/Space Ants fight happened till Abhi posted the scan. For like a decade people talked about it on this forum but no one posted the scans or could site what issue it took place in (so I could look it up myself).

It was me, how dare you.

Silver Surfer using cosmic awareness to create kryptonite/red sun radiation/chronal radiation/radion/whatever goober wanted. Still remains mythical to this day.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
So is no one interested in this, or is this forum just slow? This is a forum for people who read comic books. And mostly not well.

We don't wanna read all those paragraphs. Throw in some pictures at least.

^ The irony is that if the scan is "mythical," then there is no picture to post.

Originally posted by ODG
^ The irony is that if the scan is "mythical," then there is no picture to post.
Photoshop counts

But to be less facetious...

I think the era of online comics, first through torrents that came out on the day, and now through comics that are actually readily available to 'stream', as it were, has killed off the mythical comic BS.

You say Lobo has a feat of cramming a universe into a box? I can pull up every Lobo comic published and find out. If not me, then someone else would have read most of it, overlapping with me, and between us it would be covered.

Check out a respect thread, and if this famed Lobo feat doesn't appear there, that's even more proof.

If someone posts a panel/page, Google Reverse Image Search would quickly pull up the relevant comic, and anyone can then go back to the online comic sites and read the context behind it.

I just find it harder to bullshit people these days, mang.

The only thing I could think of for that is Lobo crushing a city into a ball, and was probably exaggerated. I see similar things a lot in Facebook battle groups all the time, and often theyll even reject when you show them the actual pages and issues involved.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
If someone posts a panel/page, Google Reverse Image Search (...)

It's 2024, Old Man Saint.

We have TinEye and Yandex (and... PimEyes... iykwim ) and other options.

Originally posted by Juntai
The only thing I could think of for that is Lobo crushing a city into a ball, and was probably exaggerated. I see similar things a lot in Facebook battle groups all the time, and often theyll even reject when you show them the actual pages and issues involved. Lobo did do that though?

Originally posted by ODG
Lobo did do that though? lobo did compress an entire city into a marble sized ball (and then ate it lol) but i think juntai is saying that maybe some nerdtrolls took that feat and extrapolated it into some sort of universe lifting feat (which he has definitely never done).

^ What issue did that happen in anyway?

authority / lobo - spring break massacre

https://postimg.cc/grNN7XpB
https://postimg.cc/HVnB1YsW

And they probably conflated it with Supreme/Suprema.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But to be less facetious...

I think the era of online comics, first through torrents that came out on the day, and now through comics that are actually readily available to 'stream', as it were, has killed off the mythical comic BS.

You say Lobo has a feat of cramming a universe into a box? I can pull up every Lobo comic published and find out. If not me, then someone else would have read most of it, overlapping with me, and between us it would be covered.

Check out a respect thread, and if this famed Lobo feat doesn't appear there, that's even more proof.

If someone posts a panel/page, Google Reverse Image Search would quickly pull up the relevant comic, and anyone can then go back to the online comic sites and read the context behind it.

I just find it harder to bullshit people these days, mang. Originally posted by DarkSaint85
A good example actually of how online comic sites and image hosting sites are stopping some of the questions we used to have. In the past, even with our limited membership, this would have had pages of back and forth and we'd never have a real resolution.


Now, in combination with comics actually answering said question, anyone of us who reads comics can find it, post it, and answer definitely.

Back in the earlier 2000s, it used to be painfully hard to find/download any online comics at all, and if you finally found a hosting site it was like discovering the holy grail -- but usually those sites would get shut down within a few weeks, then you were left trying to find a new site yet again. So yeah, it was a LOT easier for people to bullshit their way through a debate back then, because if someone actually did post scans(cropped and out of context as they may have been) you sort of had to believe them, as 'fact-checking' was usually a very tedious process... If you could even do it at all.

But now? Virtually any comic you can imagine is just a few clicks away. So trying to knowingly lie about 'exaggerate' showings nowadays is just f*cking retarded.

Originally posted by zopzop
I never believed the Odin/Space Ants fight happened till Abhi posted the scan. For like a decade people talked about it on this forum but no one posted the scans or could site what issue it took place in (so I could look it up myself).

I vaguely recall hearing about that. Sounds peak Silver Age.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
I vaguely recall hearing about that. Sounds peak Silver Age.
Behold, the omnipotent All-father in all his glory.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Space Ants owning Odin.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-GGDnF-cMNZM/Vnpmem1OKzI/AAAAAAAASEE/_3ci4OxV5Nc/s1600-Ic42/RCO012.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-76Vl54mFb4w/VnpmfXKTLvI/AAAAAAAASEE/VcchyUF2FiM/s1600-Ic42/RCO015.jpg

Ants>Galactus.

And before Carver or someone trots out the tired 'how powerful were these ants, they could have been all Skyfather tier!!!', note that many ants died due to normal Asgardians and their medieval weapons.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
or someone

Enjoy:

Originally posted by ODG
Those space ants have better feats than Doomsday, so... go ahead and make that thread.

But until then, Doomsday gets punched to Jupiter like a b1tch.

It's a bit disingenuous to say Asgardians are only as strong as 'medieval weapons' when they're blatantly superhuman (I recall Balder casually deflecting bullets and missiles with his sword, and even guys like Volstagg generally have little trouble with most modern weapons).

Put a normal guy with a sword against a normal guy with a gun and the latter wins every time. But if the guy with the sword can swing it faster than the speed of sound and with enough force to slice a mountain in half, it's a completely different story.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Enjoy:

so i'll make that thread, my sweet odg

Originally posted by Endless Mike
It's a bit disingenuous to say Asgardians are only as strong as 'medieval weapons' when they're blatantly superhuman (I recall Balder casually deflecting bullets and missiles with his sword, and even guys like Volstagg generally have little trouble with most modern weapons).

Put a normal guy with a sword against a normal guy with a gun and the latter wins every time. But if the guy with the sword can swing it faster than the speed of sound and with enough force to slice a mountain in half, it's a completely different story.

It's even more disingenuous to pretend normal 'no-name' Asgardians (as my post specified) are somehow on the level of the Warriors 3, let alone Balder.

Taskmaster (so a street level character) was able to make fools of two Asgardians.

Have some mythic scans!
https://i.imgur.com/vAR8LN8.jpeg
https://i.imgur.com/530rzJR.jpeg

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It's even more disingenous to pretend normal 'no-name' Asgardians (as my post specified) are somehow on the level of the Warriors 3, let alone Balder.

Taskmaster (so a street level character) was able to make fools of two Asgardians.

And Taskmaster also has feats of bullet timing and other crazy superhuman stuff, not to mention his ability to copy and predict the movements of his opponents.

Put him against any RL soldier and he would destroy them quite easily... even without weapons.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
And Taskmaster also has feats of bullet timing and other crazy superhuman stuff, not to mention his ability to copy and predict the movements of his opponents.

Put him against any RL soldier and he would destroy them quite easily... even without weapons.

And yet... he is a mere street tier. Superhuman or not (and ignoring the whole 'burst of superhuman speed' thing that he does, he was still able to dance around and kill two beings who were able to kill those space ants. A Low Meta tier character like Daken was effortlessly slaughtering dozens, maybe even hundreds of Asgardian soldiers (he was joking about and having fun whilst doing so):

https://i.postimg.cc/0QYTCsnn/RCO017-1467331584.jpg

I think you are missing the point here. The point being that random Asgardians and their medieval weaponry are nowhere near Odin level, yet were able to bring down 'many ants' with their swords etc.

And at the same time, Daken/Taskmaster are easily the betters of random Asgardians.

So:

Space ants < Random Asgardians <<<<<<Daken/Taskmaster.

Yet same space ants, were able to capture and enslave Odin. You are mentioning Balder, and Volstagg, when nobody here did.

Don't forget about Mister X, my dude.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Don't forget about Mister X, my dude.

Ah Mister X thrashed Taskmaster, so that would be too much.

Like using Susan Storm after she flattened Taskmaster

Are there any Punisher fights with Asgard?

Against Asgardians - not sure, but he definitely slaughtered many Elves and Frost Giants with extreme ease.

"Punisher Kill Krew"

Not to mention the War of the Realms, of course.

My point was that, despite jobbing a lot, Asgardians are still way stronger than real life Medieval soldiers, which you were comparing them to. (Also, why are you assuming that all of the alien ant casualties were inflicted by only the weakest mooks, instead of people like Hogun, Balder, or even Odin himself? The scan never shows or states who it was that scored the kills).

And yeah, low showings exist for everyone, unless you're seriously suggesting that Daken and Taskmaster are stronger than Odin.

Then again, with the inexplicable hateboner that this forum seems to have for Thor and all of his related characters nowadays, maybe you are...

Originally posted by Endless Mike
My point was that, despite jobbing a lot, Asgardians are still way stronger than real life Medieval soldiers, which you were comparing them to. (Also, why are you assuming that all of the alien ant casualties were inflicted by only the weakest mooks, instead of people like Hogun, Balder, or even Odin himself? The scan never shows or states who it was that scored the kills).

And yeah, low showings exist for everyone, unless you're seriously suggesting that Daken and Taskmaster are stronger than Odin.

Then again, with the inexplicable hateboner that this forum seems to have for Thor and all of his related characters nowadays, maybe you are...

I said the ants died to normal Asgardians and their medieval weaponry. Nowhere in my post did I then say 'and they're no better than an English peasant from 1100 AD'.

Agreed on the low showing. I never said otherwise. All my posts had no bias, and were factual - there were space ants, they died to normal Asgardians and their medieval weaponry, not all normal Asgardians are on the level of Balder and/or Volstagg.

You just jumped on to protect the beloved Asgardians, lol.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
It's a bit disingenuous to say Asgardians are only as strong as 'medieval weapons' when they're blatantly superhuman (I recall Balder casually deflecting bullets and missiles with his sword, and even guys like Volstagg generally have little trouble with most modern weapons).

Put a normal guy with a sword against a normal guy with a gun and the latter wins every time. But if the guy with the sword can swing it faster than the speed of sound and with enough force to slice a mountain in half, it's a completely different story.
Hogun, one of the strongest Asgardian warriors almost died after getting shot by normal bullets.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
My point was that, despite jobbing a lot, Asgardians are still way stronger than real life Medieval soldiers, which you were comparing them to. (Also, why are you assuming that all of the alien ant casualties were inflicted by only the weakest mooks, instead of people like Hogun, Balder, or even Odin himself? The scan never shows or states who it was that scored the kills).

And yeah, low showings exist for everyone, unless you're seriously suggesting that Daken and Taskmaster are stronger than Odin.

Then again, with the inexplicable hateboner that this forum seems to have for Thor and all of his related characters nowadays, maybe you are...
When you get Jobberseid, you can also get Jobberdin.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Enjoy:
He's such a little ***** lmao

Normal Asgardian vs normal Amazon?

Originally posted by Astner
The fact that amazons struggle with a SWAT team in this day and age is pretty funny.

https://i.imgur.com/79AlHTCm.png

- Wonder Woman (2023) #1

Originally posted by Astner
Normal Asgardian vs normal Amazon?

You don't even need a normal Amazon, lol.

The Punisher could take Diana out with normal weaponry, based on her showings. And she's pretty much the top tier Amazonian.

Originally posted by Astner
Normal Asgardian vs normal Amazon?
Nobody cares about a normal amazon.

A buddy of mine claims there was a comic where Thor and Silver Surfer were chasing something in space and Thor admitted Norrin is faster than he. Was there such a scene?

^ A bunch of heroes conceded that they couldn't catch up to Silver Surfer and Nova during Annihilation: Scourge. Beta Ray Bill was among them.

Can't really remember a similar scene with Thor though.

Only other thing that comes to mind is when Silver Surfer commented how fast Mjolnir was when he chased after it. But Thor had summoned it from within the Demogorge and was nowhere near Silver Surfer at the time.

Originally posted by Tar-Antado
A buddy of mine claims there was a comic where Thor and Silver Surfer were chasing something in space and Thor admitted Norrin is faster than he. Was there such a scene?
Yes, Fantastic Four 41 (2018).

https://i.postimg.cc/DJQx9sfb/image.jpg

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, Fantastic Four 41 (2018).

https://i.postimg.cc/DJQx9sfb/image.jpg

Crap, just lost my gas money on the bet.

Never bet on Thor or you'll go broke.

Originally posted by abhilegend
When you get Jobberseid, you can also get Jobberdin.

No argument here. But to get back on topic, I heard once that there was some retcon that linked the being "Infinity" Odin once fought (being a rogue aspect of his own personality or something) to the Marvel abstract Infinity, but I've never seen proof of that.

Kronos states it in Quasar #19:

https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Infinity01.jpg

Thanks, interesting.

Would you happen to have the scan that states that Odin was helping Thor when he drove away Galactus? That's another one I've heard about but never seen.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Would you happen to have the scan that states that Odin was helping Thor when he drove away Galactus? That's another one I've heard about but never seen.
Thor annual 14

https://i.postimg.cc/HjsKwzvV/image.jpg

This is a good thread.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Thor annual 14

https://i.postimg.cc/HjsKwzvV/image.jpg

It's funny how Thor seems like he's desperately trying to cope with some of these ('yeah, I don't believe they're really as strong as they say... I could take 'em').

That scan, plus our earlier chat, made me think:

How often are Asgardians (normal no -name ones) actually shown with feats? Does anyone have scans of that? And by that, I don't mean lip service or hype like in Thor's scan.

Like when normal Kryptonians pushed a moon/planet, or a handful beat Doomsday to death, that's kinda thing.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Like when normal Kryptonians pushed a moon/planet, or a handful beat Doomsday to death, that's kinda thing.

They are not on that level, obviously. Not anywhere close to it.

Titania got it right when she compared an average Asgardian to Spiderpussy - just without Spiderpussy's plot armor, of course.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
They are not on that level, obviously. Not anywhere close to it.

Titania got it right when she compared an average Asgardian to Spiderpussy - just without Spiderpussy's plot armor, of course.

Yeah, but even that is again, hype and lip service (i.e. someone saying it). Are there actually any scans of them having feats?

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Would you happen to have the scan that states that Odin was helping Thor when he drove away Galactus? That's another one I've heard about but never seen. It's not a mythical scan because it exists. But Thor breaking the 4th wall in a backend to a Thor annual has as much probative value as Spider-Man breaking the 4th wall in a backend to a Spider-Man annual where he ranked all the Marvel superheroes by strength and put Silver Surfer next to Luke Cage and below that, put himself next to Colossus.

Read the actual comic to see whether Thor used Odin's power or his own: Originally posted by ODG
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Galactus
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Thor vs Galactus, from Thor #161:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsGalactus01161.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsGalactus02.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsGalactus03.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsGalactus04.jpg

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yeah, but even that is again, hype and lip service (i.e. someone saying it). Are there actually any scans of them having feats? Depends on what you mean by Asgardians. Balder is an Asgardian but he is a proper Odinson Asgardian god. Most Asgardians are not of Odin's blood or royalty.

If you eliminate all those of Odin's blood, you eliminate characters like Bor, Balder, Angela, Tyr, Vidar, etc.

If you eliminate all those of royalty, you eliminate characters like Freya, Heimdall, Sif, Karnilla, etc.

Hermod, Brunhilde, Hildegarde, Volstagg, Hogun and Fandral aren't of Odin's blood/royalty. As honored as they are, they're like exceptional Asgardian fodder? They're some of the ones with the most physical feats.

Enchantress and Kelda aren't of Odin's blood/royalty either and have the most magical feats.

Other characters like Loki, Hela, Executioner, aren't Asgardians per se. They're different races of the Nine Worlds altogether.

As for fodder Asgardians? Doctor Doom experimented on fodder Asgardians and explained their enhanced physiology and near immortality:

https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Asgardians01_5r3THogkHjhg1rZxvDy8jA.jpg

Later on, he confirmed all Asgardians had some measure of Odinforce within them. He harvested it from those fodder Asgardians to power his Doom Destroyer armor.

Yeah I meant none of those named Asgardians. Literal fodder, and even the scan you posted, it was just lip service/hype.

The example I gave was of the Kryps, when they're beating Doomsday to death or pushing moons/planets.

Edit: by no-name, I don't mean limited to literally unnamed (though that can obviously work best). I meant those without special renown - i wouldn't disqualify a scan just because Thor calls one of them out by name or something.

^ Well it seems as soon as normal Asgardians start getting actual feats... you refuse to consider them normal Asgardian fodder anymore? You see the problem with that, right? You're begging an impossible question.

This seems to be a pointless exercise. What's the underlying purpose of it? Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yeah I meant none of those named Asgardians. Literal fodder, and even the scan you posted, it was just lip service/hype.

The example I gave was of the Kryps, when they're beating Doomsday to death or pushing moons/planets. How is that scan lip service/hype? Doom vivisected a fodder Asgardian and revealed his scientific discoveries about what apparently is a baseline for ordinary Asgardians. This poor schlub, Endrik, that was drugged and lured by Loki to Doom when they were in Latveria:
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Asgardians02.jpg
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Asgardians03.jpg
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Asgardians04.jpg

Originally posted by ODG
^ Well it seems as soon as normal Asgardians start getting actual feats... you refuse to consider them normal Asgardian fodder anymore? You see the problem with that, right? You're begging an impossible question.

This seems to be a pointless exercise. What's the underlying purpose of it? How is that scan lip service/hype? Doom vivisected a fodder Asgardian and revealed his scientific discoveries about what apparently is a baseline for ordinary Asgardians. This poor schlub, Endrik, that was drugged and lured by Loki to Doom when they were in Latveria:
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Asgardians02.jpg
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Asgardians03.jpg
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Asgardians04.jpg

Well it's the same way 'named' humans (Punisher, Hawkeye, Batman, hell even Penguin, Alfred, Jarvis) have feats that poop all over 'normal' humans, and we won't take Hawkeye for example as emblematic of what a normal human is in Marvel or DC. They're not baseline.

So I just asked for, I dunno, strength or durability feats. Speed feats. Basically, if I were to make a respect thread for Asgardians, what would I have to draw from.
You are far better than I at respect threads. So you know what 'looks good', as it were.

What would you put in a respect thread that's called 'Generic Asgardian respect thread ' ?

^ It's either all or nothing.

Unless an Asgardian has some Odinblood or otherwise comes from special royal blood, then feats by any Asgardian should be fair game. Because guys like Volstagg have never been explained as being biologically special or exceptionally powered. He's literally a normal Asgardian.

But then if someone were to complain, no, he's too exceptional to be considered a normal Asgardian, then what's the point? Once you follow that sort of arbitrary limitation, as soon as any normal Asgardian (for instance, Kelda) is introduced and starts attaining even a handful of feats, there will be complaints that, again no, she's too exceptional to be considered a normal Asgardian.

A typical respect thread is filled with feats that are seen as exceptional. So how can you fill such a respect thread by categorically excluding all characters by using an amorphous definition of exceptionality? What you're asking for is a self-defeating proposition:

"Oh, here's an exceptional feat for the respect thread!"

"No, the feat is too exceptional for it to be in the respect thread."

". . . . . ."

But what you're asking is a very narrow question that I don't think underpins your intention. I just don't know what the point of this discussion is. What exactly are you wondering about Asgardians?

Like what level of superhuman is an Asgardian?

Kingpin has no mutant blood, no tech, no enchantments, nothing - is he 'typical' of a normal human? There's never been an explanation for him being biologically special or exceptionally powered - he's literally a human.

I ask for normal human level feats or capabilities. You start answering with Kingpin, Batman, Nightwing, hell, here's Doom naked with no armour killing a lion with his bare hands....

Is it that difficult to grasp? Like are we just at a crossroads here? Are normal humans all Kingpin/Batman/Punisher/Doom without armour level?

If yes, then ok. Volstagg and the Warrriors three et Al are all example Asgardians.

If no, then....you surely see the distinction?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Like what level of superhuman is an Asgardian? That's like asking what level of superhuman is a mutant? Because the most honest answer is that the range of an Asgardian's superhuman-ness is incredibly large. Like, there are limits to exceptionally peak humans. Kingpin, for example as you said. But the limits of exceptionally peak humans doesn't come close to the limits of non-royalty Asgardians.

At their most basic, they are all virtually immortal with a significant healing factor. They don't seem to die of old age. Their immortality does suffer on the Earthly plane. They all have a divine spark of Odinforce within them.

But some are super-strong like Volstagg. Some are super-fast like Hermod. Some are super-magical like Enchantress.

Anyway, is your inquiry related to a mythical scan or something? Because this conversation kinda seems off-topic for this thread. Equally my fault I guess but it just seems like this conversation has its source somewhere else?

Saint is merely asking for feats from Asgardians that basically have no name and can be considered "fodder" to lump all those no name feats together that they count for all the no names. Is there something like a random Asgardian lifting a 20 ton boulder or some shit.

Originally posted by ODG
That's like asking what level of superhuman is a mutant? Because the most honest answer is that the range of an Asgardian's superhuman-ness is incredibly large. Like, there are limits to exceptionally peak humans. Kingpin, for example as you said. But the limits of exceptionally peak humans doesn't come close to the limits of non-royalty Asgardians. I think my usage of mutants in the underlined part of my post doesn't capture my intention. Because a mutant is defined by their special x-factor which invariably means a specialness or "exceptionality." So, not the same.

So replace my it with "That's like asking what level of superhuman is an angel of the Silver City?" Like you can eliminate all the named archangels and other angels with special roles but what about the "fodder" angels? Isn't that like an impossible question to answer?

Sure, it was a request for scans of actual Asgardian feats that weren't just lip service.

Like I've seen the scans of them being hyped up as dangerous etc. But I wanted I don't know, scans of them lifting/striking things. Or being durable etc to bullets or something.

If I asked what a baseline average human was, apparently they're as smart as Nygma, hacking New God tech, or like Tony/Doom can create items to fight gods, they're as durable as Kingpin, with the pain tolerance of Frank castle, able to beat Arkillo in h2h fisticuffs, and that doesn't even stop when they get old, as Alfred and Jarvis attest to.

Whereas I'm talking about a generic man off the street. So with the Asgardians, whilst you say they're like mutants with a spread of powers and abilities, is that really the case? Like the ones Daken slaughtered, for example?

The Daken scan just made me wonder what level Asgardians are, so I tried to find something on their levels, but I got a lot of lip service, that's all I'm getting at.

Hence my request here. 'Ulf Wuttigar possesses the strength and speed of a typical Asgardian of his age' which is....what, is my question. Does anyone have scans of a typical Asgardian and their power levels?

From the sounds of things, though, it's a no.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
Saint is merely asking for feats from Asgardians that basically have no name and can be considered "fodder" to lump all those no name feats together that they count for all the no names. Is there something like a random Asgardian lifting a 20 ton boulder or some shit. Ok, but as I said, it seems like you're asking for feats but then rejecting any feats from a category of Asgardians that are arbitrarily being eliminated from consideration.

Looking at it from a different perspective, Parmaniac, are you able to list feats from Silver City angels that basically have no name and can be considered "fodder" to lump all those no name feats together that they count for all the no names. Is there something like a random Silver City angel lifting a 20 ton boulder or some shit?

It just seems like a self-defeating proposition. I mean, maybe you can and I'm just being obtuse. So let me know.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
Saint is merely asking for feats from Asgardians that basically have no name and can be considered "fodder" to lump all those no name feats together that they count for all the no names. Is there something like a random Asgardian lifting a 20 ton boulder or some shit.
Nothing, but he can't say that now, can he lol.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Hence my request here. 'Ulf Wuttigar possesses the strength and speed of a typical Asgardian of his age' which is....what, is my question. Does anyone have scans of a typical Asgardian and their power levels?

From the sounds of things, though, it's a no. So my issue is, you appear to be categorically rejecting any feats from Asgardians that you don't think are representative of Asgardians as a whole. But then that's just you assuming your own conclusion.

You haven't presented any reasoning behind rejecting a Volstagg feat or Dr. Doom's scientific conclusions after vivisecting the fodder, Endrik, other than, "Nah, doesn't count."

Seems more like you're not genuinely asking for a 'Generic Asgardian respect thread '. Indeed, what you're asking for is a 'Generic Asgardian disrespect thread '. You want (unintentionally or not) all their lowest feats to establish the lowest baseline for Asgardians. Because anything that could raise the collective ceiling for Asgardians should be disregarded.

Ok? But what sort of inquiry is that? It doesn't really have any point. But if you genuinely believe otherwise, how would you go about making a 'Generic Silver City angel respect thread '? What's your notion of them collectively applying whatever standards you're applying to Asgardians?

If you explain that, maybe I can penetrate what the point of this is.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Nothing, but he can't say that now, can he lol. Hey, b1tch. Leave the constructive conversation to your betters.

Everybody knows you can't help but sniff after my ballz for the past decade after I put you on ignore and you declared you put me on ignore, lol. But your troll comments don't add anything.

What is the point of you? You seriously need my attention after all these years? I mean, do you want me to unignore you and proceed to utterly tear you and your tired schtick to pieces? Again? Were those the best times of your KMC life and you want them revisited? Ok.

Make a thread with a voting poll then: "Should ODG unignore abhilegend after a decade+?" I'll agree to the poll results.

Otherwise, stfu.

Originally posted by ODG
Hey, b1tch. Leave the constructive conversation to your betters.

You, my better? ***** please, I eat punks like you before breakfast.

Why would I put a small biyatch like you on ignore? You ain't worth the effort.

Biyatch, you couldn't handle me when I arrived here more than a decade ago and fled like a coward and put me on ignore. Now? You aren't worth the dust on my shoes.

Who the **** do you think you are biyatch?

But sure, if you really want my attention, little *****, let's do it. I haven't eaten a Thor fanboy's soul since I bullied rage out of here.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You, my better? ***** please, I eat punks like you before breakfast. I was referring to other posters. Not me. Learn English, please. Or, at the very least, don't get so obviously triggered once you've had a taste of actual interaction with the one KMC poster you've been chasing after for 10+ years. Originally posted by abhilegend
Why would I put a small biyatch like you on ignore? You ain't worth the effort. That's exactly what you did here after being thoroughly undressed way back in Dec 2011:
https://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=13666559& amp;highlight=bash+game+userid%3A133437#post136665
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I mean, you unignored me almost right away the very next month because you couldn't help yourself but trying to rewrite history like you never did? Bruh, you stink of desperation at saving face. Originally posted by abhilegend
But sure, if you really want my attention, little *****, let's do it. Why would I want your attention? I put you on ignore for 10+ years, so uhhh... other way innit? How many times did I reply to your posts or namedrop "abihilegend" since I put you on ignore in Dec 2011?
https://www.killermovies.com/forums/search.php?action=showresults&q=abhilegend+userid%3A77143

That's 12x over 12+ years. Now let's do a search and see how many times you've replied to my posts or namedropped "ODG" since I put you on ignore in Dec 2011? Let's see:
https://www.killermovies.com/forums/search.php?s=&action=showresults&q=ODG+userid%3A133437&sortby=&sortorder=&pagenumber=1

Good lord, that's beyond 200x over 12+ years. Actually, more than that because the results hit the limit.

Keep pretending you aint the b1tch begging for attention. laughcry

I ask for scans.

"What are your intentions towards my daughter?"

If I wanted a disrespect thread, you wouldn't be the one I'm asking. Abhi probably has an entire album ready to go - but I'm not asking him.

Parm put it quite succinctly, tbh.

^ Well, this was my response to Parmaniac: Originally posted by ODG
Ok, but as I said, it seems like you're asking for feats but then rejecting any feats from a category of Asgardians that are arbitrarily being eliminated from consideration.

Looking at it from a different perspective, Parmaniac, are you able to list feats from Silver City angels that basically have no name and can be considered "fodder" to lump all those no name feats together that they count for all the no names. Is there something like a random Silver City angel lifting a 20 ton boulder or some shit?

It just seems like a self-defeating proposition. I mean, maybe you can and I'm just being obtuse. So let me know. So now it's addressed to you as well.

I am simply trying to figure out what the point of this is. Maybe by making a simple analogy via replacing normal Asgardians w/ normal Silver City angels, you can elucidate.

Originally posted by ODG
I was referring to other posters. Not me. Learn English, please.

There's nobody better than me on this site ever since I arrived here. I have taken everyone at their best and trounced them. You're welcome to try me on any topic you want.

Hahaha dude, you even remember the exact words in the posts thirteen ****ing years ago, get off deez nutz.

Me chasing you? I barely even remember our interaction other than the fact that you were really stupid.

Sure thing Jan, you literally searched for the words in the posts thirteen years ago but I'm the one obsessed here.

Your stupidity gave a lasting impression, what can I say.

Dude literally remembered my post from thirteen years ago LMFAO. Get a life weirdo.

Originally posted by abhilegend
There's nobody better than me on this site ever since I arrived here. https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Jameson02.gif

Originally posted by ODG
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Jameson02.gif
How about this, I know more about Thor than you, more about Silver Surfer than Darthgoober and more about Thanos than Quanchi.

Like I said, it's an open challenge, I can beat you in pretty much any topic in comics you can think of. You could always run away from me like the coward that you are.

^ I'll admit that you, more than anybody, pore through Thor, Silver Surfer and Thanos comics more obsessively because of your pathetic compulsion to dig up low feats to reverse-inflate Superman.

But your biased compulsion does not equate to actual knowledge per se. You read comics through a myopic lens that nobody here on KMC considers objective. And it taints everything you end up storing in that smooth brain of your's.

Having said that, I never knew you tooted your own horn this much. Is this a characteristic you developed over the 10+ years since I ignored you? It's rather unseemly. Surely, I cannot be blamed for that. It must be that other KMC posters mercilessly slapped you around for a decade to give you such an inferiority complex.

Originally posted by ODG
^ I'll admit that you, more than anybody, pore through Thor, Silver Surfer and Thanos comics more obsessively because of your pathetic compulsion to dig up low feats to reverse-inflate Superman.

But your biased compulsion does not equate to actual knowledge per se. You read comics through a myopic lens that nobody here on KMC considers objective. And it taints everything you end up storing in that smooth brain of your's.

Having said that, I never knew you tooted your own horn this much. Is this a characteristic you developed over the 10+ years since I ignored you? It's rather unseemly. Surely, I cannot be blamed for that. It must be that other KMC posters mercilessly slapped you around for a decade to give you such an inferiority complex.


I guess all your bravado is for anyone who wilts at your slightest juvenile insults. You're just the coward I remember.

Lol, ask Darthgoober, Rage, Bran, Master and all your yesterday's greatest debaters who all quit against me, I literally bullied bran off the board lmao.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I guess all your bravado is for anyone who wilts at your slightest juvenile insults. You're just the coward I remember.

Lol, ask Darthgoober, Rage, Bran, Master and all your yesterday's greatest debaters who all quit against me, I literally bullied bran off the board lmao. You don't wilt like a flower -- except for that time you declared that you'd put me on ignore. But your posts in this thread are nothing but self-stroking nonsense. Like... I cannot recall anybody on KMC that masturbates all over themselves like this.

And all to distract from the fact that you've been chasing after me for over a decade? You're like the yipping dog that chased after the car. Now that you've caught it, what exactly are you going to do now?

Well... if the last several posts of your's are any indication, it's to loudly declare how awesome a KMC poster you are.

https://media.tenor.com/x9C0UAwhwYoAAAAM/dean-supernatural.gif

So which KMC posters reduced abhilegend to this state over the last decade or so? Please inform me.

Or does current KMC actually lift abhilegend up onto their shoulders as having dominated every KMC poster who dared confront him?

https://64.media.tumblr.com/2fd7b0ac8619af075a824133898f092d/tumblr_inline_padxeog1D61v93pcs_500.gif

Originally posted by ODG
You don't wilt like a flower -- except for that time you declared that you'd put me on ignore. But your posts in this thread are nothing but self-stroking nonsense. Like... I cannot recall anybody on KMC that masturbates all over themselves like this.

And you claim you don't obsess over me yet remember the exact words to search my thirteen years old post and post about me masturbating damn bruh, quit this ghey sh1t and get a life.

The funny thing is that I wasn't even quoting you, I was talking to Parm but this weirdo who claims he put me on ignore a decade ago, reads my post and has a meltdown. Funniest shit ever.

I challenged you as well, you backed away like the biatch that you are.

Originally posted by ODG
So which KMC posters reduced abhilegend to this state over the last decade or so? Please inform me.

Or does current KMC actually lift abhilegend up onto their shoulders as having dominated every KMC poster who dared confront him?

https://64.media.tumblr.com/2fd7b0ac8619af075a824133898f092d/tumblr_inline_padxeog1D61v93pcs_500.gif
"Masturbating"
"Dominated".

https://media.tenor.com/gOnT1TmdzbAAAAAM/why-uganda.gif

Originally posted by ODG
^ Well, this was my response to Parmaniac: So now it's addressed to you as well.

I am simply trying to figure out what the point of this is. Maybe by making a simple analogy via replacing normal Asgardians w/ normal Silver City angels, you can elucidate.

I freely admit that I don't know what level a generic Silver City angel is at.

Then again, they're not one of the more famous races in Marvel/DC, with a rich history and multiple storylines involving them extensively from multiple writers.

So I'd say.....they have no scans or feats to support them being at any level.

And if anyone asks, I'll say that despite having over 60 years' of history, and a member of the Silver City angels being one of the most popular characters of all time (with many stories written about him and his background), I somehow am unable to find any comics showing the characteristics of his people.

I didn't arbitrarily cut a group of Asgardians off - I cut a group of Asgardians off that may or may not (without knowing their baseline, which apparently is impossible to determine) have plot armour and other contextual things affecting their showings.

Are all comic humans on the level of named comic human characters? When Batman jumps out of the way of HV after it's fired, or when Kingpin tanks a Doombot's blast, is that what an average comic human can do? No, and we know this because..we have showings of what average humans can and cannot do.

I just asked if we knew what average Asgardians can or cannot do, and apparently there are like no feats, otherwise I'm sure of have been hit with 60 years' worth of them.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I freely admit that I don't know what level a generic Silver City angel is at.

Then again, they're not one of the more famous races in Marvel/DC, with a rich history and multiple storylines involving them extensively from multiple writers.

So I'd say.....they have no scans or feats to support them being at any level.

And if anyone asks, I'll say that despite having over 60 years' of history, and a member of the Silver City angels being one of the most popular characters of all time (with many stories written about him and his background), I somehow am unable to find any comics showing the characteristics of his people. I'd politely posit that your inability is more a function that you inadvertently created because you cannot countenance named angels from being a factor in this theoretical generic Silver City angel respect thread.

So if that could be the case, maybe your view/question/controversy on generic Asgardians is also faulty? Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I just asked if we knew what average Asgardians can or cannot do, and apparently there are like no feats, otherwise I'm sure of have been hit with 60 years' worth of them. Well, when you refuse to recognize all normal Asgardians who actually have notable feats from the equation, what exactly do you expect to be left with? What I am saying is that this paucity of feats you're trying to bear down on is utterly self-inflicted. It's not that there aren't any normal Asgardian feats. You somehow are excluding them from consideration.

Either accept normal Asgardian feats into this average or don't. Currently speaking... you do not. That's fine. But then, don't promote the notion that no normal Asgardian feats even exist.

Originally posted by abhilegend
"Masturbating"
"Dominated".

https://media.tenor.com/gOnT1TmdzbAAAAAM/why-uganda.gif Ok, you being stupified into silence was quicker than I expected but I suppose I gave you too much credit. It's been over a decade, after all.

I ask the KMC community as a whole: which KMC posters reduced abhilegend to this state?

Originally posted by ODG
I'd politely posit that your inability is more a function that you inadvertently created because you cannot countenance named angels from being a factor in this theoretical generic Silver City angel respect thread.

So if that could be the case, maybe your view/question/controversy on generic Asgardians is also faulty? Well, when you refuse to recognize all normal Asgardians who actually have notable feats from the equation, what exactly do you expect to be left with? What I am saying is that this paucity of feats you're trying to bear down on is utterly self-inflicted. It's not that there aren't any normal Asgardian feats. You somehow are excluding them from consideration.

Either accept normal Asgardian feats into this average or don't. Currently speaking... you do not. That's fine. But then, don't promote the notion that no normal Asgardian feats even exist.

Same way Kingpin, despite no amps or special factors, isn't used as a standard for a typical comic human.

Or Punisher.

Or Hawkeye.

Or Kate Bishop.

Hell, at this rate we may as well say New York humans are all generically superhuman, based on the above characters(and there are of course, many more) being used as examples of the average New Yorker, lol. The average NYC denizen is as smart as Tony Stark, as strong as Kingpin, as fast as Hawkeye.

Must be the pizza.

Originally posted by ODG
Ok, you being stupified into silence was quicker than I expected but I suppose I gave you too much credit. It's been over a decade, after all.

I ask the KMC community as a whole: which KMC posters reduced abhilegend to this state?


You in this thread just did:

A meltdown over a totally innocuous comment
Tried to start a flame war with me and backpeddled immediately once it failed spectacularly
Ran away from me immediately once challenged
Now posting total gibberish, calling out posters on a dead forum.

This is sad, even for a retard like you.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Same way Kingpin, despite no amps or special factors, isn't used as a standard for a typical comic human.

Or Punisher.

Or Hawkeye.

Or Kate Bishop.

Hell, at this rate we may as well say New York humans are all generically superhuman, based on the above characters(and there are of course, many more) being used as examples of the average New Yorker, lol. The average NYC denizen is as smart as Tony Stark, as strong as Kingpin, as fast as Hawkeye.

Must be the pizza. Well we're talking past each other. I already addressed peak humans like Kingpin. Somehow, if one were to compile a 'generic human respect thread', you apparently would exclude characters like Kingpin, Punisher, Hawkeye or Kate Bishop from calculating the average.

Which means you only allow (by your own arbitrary estimation) "normal" or "below average" humans into that mix. In which case, you're not actually calculating an average at all. You're only interested in the lowest baseline. Which is not a respect thread. It'd be more akin to a disrespect thread.

But turning back to Asgardians, you won't even accept the lowest baseline feats/characteristics of fodder Asgardians like their near immortality, etc. Maybe I missed where you accepted it?

So I have no choice but to return to the critique that you continue to avoid: how exactly would you go about making a 'generic Silver City angel respect thread '?

Now understand: if such a task seems impossible to you due to your own arbitrary standards, then maybe realize that asking for 'generic Asgardian respect thread ' is only impossible because of you. Not because of the actual comics.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You in this thread just did:

A meltdown over a totally innocuous comment
Tried to start a flame war with me and backpeddled immediately once it failed spectacularly
Ran away from me immediately once challenged
Now posting total gibberish, calling out posters on a dead forum.

This is sad, even for a retard like you. Are you still here pretending to be relevant? On a "dead forum" (according to you) no less? You've clearly been begging for me to acknowledge you for over a decade. You cannot help but reply or comment on my posts even though you've ignored for over a decade.

Well, I'm here and willing now. But you're presently accusing me of running away? This ain't Bizarro-world, son.

Compose yourself before responding to me.

Originally posted by ODG
Are you still here pretending to be relevant? On a "dead forum" (according to you) no less? You've clearly been begging for me to acknowledge you for over a decade. You cannot help but reply or comment on my posts even though you've ignored for over a decade.

I'd comment on your stupid posts because well, those were stupid. I don't commit those to memory, like you did despite putting me on ignore.

This is the real world kid, you're used to running away.



Or what? You gonna cry to mommy sonny?

Originally posted by abhilegend
I'd comment on your stupid posts because well, those were stupid. There are a lot of stupid posts on KMC. And you can try to convince others of that but your incessantly obsessive comments on my posts while you were ignored were just representative of your own personal butthurt.

Please. Continue trying to pretend otherwise. laughcry

Originally posted by ODG
There are a lot of stupid posts on KMC. And you can try to convince others of that but your incessantly obsessive comments on my posts while you were ignored were just representative of your own personal butthurt.

Please. Continue trying to pretend otherwise. laughcry
You mean like you literally remember my post which I made thirteen years ago word by word to the point you searched for it by those words?

https://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=13666559& amp;highlight=bash+game+userid%3A133437#post136665
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I mean, I posted comments on the posts I saw in live threads and moved on. What's your explanation for this?

^ You seem particularly focused on this. So scout's honor, I searched through when you and I mutually decided to ignore each other. I found it. But in order to post a link to exactly where it happened, I took specific words from your post to create a new focused link so that other posters wouldn't have to wade through a thread.

I get that is completely deflating to your ego but, no, I do not remember your exact posts. You see, I'm not the kind of poster that obsessively chases after a KMC poster for 10+ years after being ignored.

kinda

Originally posted by ODG
Well we're talking past each other. I already addressed peak humans like Kingpin. Somehow, if one were to compile a 'generic human respect thread', you apparently would exclude characters like Kingpin, Punisher, Hawkeye or Kate Bishop from calculating the average.

Which means you only allow (by your own arbitrary estimation) "normal" or "below average" humans into that mix. In which case, you're not actually calculating an average at all. You're only interested in the lowest baseline. Which is not a respect thread. It'd be more akin to a disrespect thread.

But turning back to Asgardians, you won't even accept the lowest baseline feats/characteristics of fodder Asgardians like their near immortality, etc. Maybe I missed where you accepted it?

So I have no choice but to return to the critique that you continue to avoid: how exactly would you go about making a 'generic Silver City angel respect thread '?

Now understand: if such a task seems impossible to you due to your own arbitrary standards, then maybe realize that asking for 'generic Asgardian respect thread ' is only impossible because of you. Not because of the actual comics.

Yes, a peak human does not represent the average. Because they're peak, and not average.

But as I said, average Asgardians have no feats as nonehave been posted beyond some lip service. That's fine. Mystifying, considering I'd have thought we'd see them being casually superhuman at least, throwing cars around or tanking machine guns or whatnot

Originally posted by ODG
^ You seem particularly focused on this. So scout's honor, I searched through when you and I mutually decided to ignore each other. I found it. But in order to post a link to exactly where it happened, I took specific words from your post to create a new focused link so that other posters wouldn't have to wade through a thread.

Suuuure, I totally believe you lol.



Yeah right.

^ Do I really care what you believe?

Somehow you think that I've precisely memorized your 10+ year old post because I've been so obsessed with you this entire time.

Bruh. Who's the one chasing after a KMC poster on ignore for 10+ years?

You've got a colossally delusional ego to think otherwise. The projection is so abjectly obvious it's painful to see. Good lord. Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yes, a peak human does not represent the average. Because they're peak, and not average.

But as I said, average Asgardians have no feats as nonehave been posted beyond some lip service. That's fine. Mystifying, considering I'd have thought we'd see them being casually superhuman at least, throwing cars around or tanking machine guns or whatnot If you're begging for an average but arbitrarily eliminate everything that is "high-end", you're not actually asking for an average. You're just begging for the lowest baseline.

Hell, despite my incessant needling, I haven't even seen you accept the lowest Asgardian baseline scientific results of fodder Asgardian Endrik's vivisection that showed near immortality, healing factor and Odinforce spark, etc.

It seems you and I cannot continue constructive discussion on this. Which is fine. I cannot penetrate your thinking. That's not meant to be insulting. I do think you have a genuine inquiry here. But I just do not understand the seemingly arbitrary limitations you set for your own inquiry.

It seems self-defeating. Is that purposeful or not? I just don't care enough to keep asking.

Originally posted by ODG
^ Do I really care what you believe?

Somehow you think that I've precisely memorized your 10+ year old post because I've been so obsessed with you this entire time.

Bruh. Who's the one chasing after a KMC poster on ignore for 10+ years?

You've got a colossally delusional ego to think otherwise. The projection is so abjectly obvious it's painful to see. Good lord. If you're begging for an average but arbitrarily eliminate everything that is "high-end", you're not actually asking for an average. You're just begging for the lowest baseline.

Hell, despite my incessant needling, I haven't even seen you accept the lowest Asgardian baseline scientific results of fodder Asgardian Endrik's vivisection that showed near immortality, healing factor and Odinforce spark, etc.

It seems you and I cannot continue constructive discussion on this. Which is fine. I cannot penetrate your thinking. That's not meant to be insulting. I do think you have a genuine inquiry here. But I just do not understand the seemingly arbitrary limitations you set for your own inquiry.

It seems self-defeating. Is that purposeful or not? I just don't care enough to keep asking.

Now, and I don't mean to be mean, or catty, or mean to trap you...

But as you said:
Originally posted by ODG
All things aside, d1s be da tru tru.

Feats are feats.

Character statements are character statements. Purple prose is purple prose. Writer interviews are writer interviews. Writer tweets are writer tweets. And half of these are banned from consideration per explicit KMC forum rules.

Let's not pretend all of those should be considered with the same probative value as actual on-panel feats, let alone confused with being on-panel feats.

I agree with this, btw. So, not trying to trap you, but, as we both agree statements are statements, actual feats are actual feats, and so far the only thing that has come up is.....a statement that Asgardians are nigh-immortal AND have a HF, then we have actual feats from Daken/Taskmaster/space ants/other unspecified goodies in Abhi's vault showing Asgardians being killed, you can see why I kinda glossed over it.

Like, I think we are misunderstanding each other here. To use humans (again), Kingpin isn't a standard human, we both agree. He is peak. He is not standard.

Volstagg - is he a standard Asgardian? By that I mean, are all of his feats replicable by other Asgardians? Fandral? Or are Volstagg/Fandral et al peak Asgardians, and we treat them the same way 'Peak human' Steve Rogers is NOT treated as a standard human?

To quote you:
Originally posted by ODG

Hermod, Brunhilde, Hildegarde, Volstagg, Hogun and Fandral aren't of Odin's blood/royalty. As honored as they are, they're like exceptional Asgardian fodder? They're some of the ones with the most physical feats.

They are the exception. Exceptional. Which means we must have 'standard' Asgardians to compare them to, to call them exceptional.

What are the feats of these standard Asgardians? That's all I was asking.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
To quote you:

They are the exception. Exceptional. Which means we must have 'standard' Asgardians to compare them to, to call them exceptional.

What are the feats of these standard Asgardians? That's all I was asking. Whoa, now. I was trying to figure out where you were coming from. That's when I classified them as "exceptional". It was me trying to acknowledge your standards, not my own.

And even accepting such standards, I went on to posit that asking for "averages" of Asgardians without acknowledging these exceptional (but not royalty) Asgardians was a self-defeating proposition. Because you're not asking for an "average", you're asking for the lowest baseline. That is a query that we can honestly engage in. I think I can amply and easily answer what is the lowest baseline Asgardian. But you keep trying to act like you're not seeking the lowest baseline Asgardian. You keep insisting on the "average"? Well, if you arbitrarily eliminate all higher-end feats, are you honestly asking for an average?

Seriously, btw us, what is the underlying proposition you're trying to penetrate?

Originally posted by ODG
^ Do I really care what you believe?

Do you think I care what you care?

Yes.

Originally posted by ODG
Oh no. Either qwertyuiop1998 summoned abhilegend with inner monologue or I'm guessing they don't like being associated with each other.

I'm creeped out. Legit don't want to believe it because the implications of are so disturbing.

2012 abhilegend > 2024 qwertyuiop1998

And the latter's idiocy somehow exceeded the only two KMC posters I have on my ignore list. A monumental achievement I'd never think possible.

This you, huh? Randomly accusing posters of being my sock because they remind you of me? I'd be flattered if you weren't so stupid.

Yeah right, I'm the one randomly accusing posters of being socks of a poster I've put on ignore for more than a decade.

Sure Jan.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Do you think I care Considering your 200+ posts replying to my posts or namedropping me after you were ignored over the years?

https://media.tenor.com/v9cjApl9zPYAAAAM/michelle-obama-hahaha-yep.gif

But I mean, just phuck off if you're that sincerely disinterested. kinda

This dude is calling me chasing after him.

Originally posted by ODG
I mean, if I were being completely truthful. You're stupider than abhilegend was back when I put him on ignore in 2012. But that may just be a result of a gradual descent into dumba$$ery. Some people don't grow with age. They just get dumber.

I am legitimately unnerved.

Old Man Whirly! making a random sock to flame himself to accuse me and others of organized conspiracies against him was one thing. Because it was just so blatantly obvious.

This... this is altogether something far more insidious and sinister. Not like evil. It's the obsession that would have to underlie it all. I mean. I could be wrong. It's just that I legitimately never expected anybody to ever be more obsessively stupid than quanchi112 or abhilegend over simple comics.

And I wholly get that this seems to be excessively nasty. But for real, mang. The notion struck my mind out of the blue just now. I recall accusing qwertyuiop1998 of being a sock a while back but never made a connection with an actual KMC poster until now. Originally posted by ODG
Yea, that's it! It was you actually referring to me as "OneDumbG0" like last year, a username I hadn't used since 2012 -- coincidentally the same year I put abhilegend on ignore????

Even though you only ever joined KMC in 2018????? I was like... wtf? But I dunno, our ensuing discussions and threads went so badly for you that I just never gave that initial impression another thought.

Like, literally, until just now. Like on scout's honor.

He randomly (like I wasn't even involved in the thread) calls posters my socks because I reminded him of me from 2012.

crylaugh

Originally posted by ODG
Considering your 200+ posts replying to my posts or namedropping me after you were ignored over the years?

https://media.tenor.com/v9cjApl9zPYAAAAM/michelle-obama-hahaha-yep.gif

But I mean, just phuck off if you're that sincerely disinterested. kinda
At least I didn't put you on ignore for a decade (as claimed by you) and then randomly accuse people of being your sock literally twelve years later after our supposed last encounter.

People don't recognise their family members after that much time lol

^ Claimed by me? I did.

I will not apologize for you leaving such an indelible impression of abject stupidity. I had quanchi112 on the Marvel side. I had abhilegend on the DC side. The only two KMC posters (other than smurfs) on ignore for many years. When other KMC posters start rising to such incomprehensible levels of moron, I cannot help but make comparisons.

If some schmuck argues with me that Thanos stalemated Odin repeatedly, yes, that will bring back memories of quanchi112's imbecility. Originally posted by abhilegend
This dude is calling me chasing after him.

He randomly (like I wasn't even involved in the thread) calls posters my socks because I reminded him of me from 2012. 200+ posts chasing me after you were ignored does establish such a conception, yes.

Go ahead and summon qwertyuiop1998 with your inner monologue to disabuse that suspicion of mine.

Originally posted by ODG
^ Claimed by me? I did.

I will not apologize for you leaving such an indelible impression of abject stupidity. I had quanchi112 on the Marvel side. I had abhilegend on the DC side. The only two KMC posters (other than smurfs) on ignore for many years. When other KMC posters start rising to such incomprehensible levels of moron, I cannot help but make comparisons.

If some schmuck argues with me that Thanos stalemated Odin repeatedly, yes, that will bring back memories of quanchi112's imbecility. 200+ posts chasing me after you were ignored does establish such a conception, yes.

Go ahead and summon qwertyuiop1998 with your inner monologue to disabuse that suspicion of mine.
Lol, now, who's more obsessed with who? Because I sure as hell don't remember anyone's posts I put on ignore 12 years ago.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Lol, now, who's more obsessed with who? I dunno tbh, have my unsolicited responses to your posts numbered more than 200+ yet? kinda

Originally posted by ODG
I dunno tbh, have my unsolicited responses to your posts numbered more than 200+ yet? kinda
I never called carver your sock, did I? You're both equally retarded, so I dunno.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I never called carver your sock, did I? You're both equally retarded, so I dunno. carver9 predates me? I don't understand why you're so offended at the notion of creating qwertyuiop1998 as a sock, tbh.

qwertyuiop1998 appears to be pretty well-regarded by KMC. You should be honored actually that anybody confuses the two of you. But, ok.

abhilegend stands alone in his singular cretinism.

Originally posted by ODG
^ Claimed by me? I did.

I will not apologize for you leaving such an indelible impression of abject stupidity. I had quanchi112 on the Marvel side. I had abhilegend on the DC side. The only two KMC posters (other than smurfs) on ignore for many years. When other KMC posters start rising to such incomprehensible levels of moron, I cannot help but make comparisons.

What the hell? not only you accused me being a sock of somebody for no concrete evidence, you also bashed me here in a thread I didn't post

^ If you read my prior post, I am actually trying to commend you, bro.

Originally posted by ODG
^ If you read my prior post, I am actually trying to commend you, bro.
Yeah, but at first you did say something like this
Originally posted by ODG
When other KMC posters start rising to such incomprehensible levels of moron, I cannot help but make comparisons.

I personally wouldn't consider such comment being some praise for me.....

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Yeah, but at first you did say something like this

I personally wouldn't consider such comment being some praise for me..... 100% fair. Absolutely.

You do not have to believe me but I am currently trying to separate the two of you with these incisive posts.

It is now clear to me that whatever I thought of abhilegend over a decade ago? Dat n1gga went dumb as sh1t. Seems he went through the wringer of other KMC posters that dismantled his schmuckery.

You? It felt like shades of early 2010 abhilegend. But you a nice guy, mang. No matter what I think of your alleged intransigence, you do not present as nor act like a jerk. I am a jerk. 100%, bro.

I will try to be cordial with you moving forward whatever sharp disagreements we have.

Originally posted by abhilegend
There's nobody better than me on this site ever since I arrived here. You know what? This self-masturbatory comment honestly deserves not just video but audio as well:
BwSts2s4ba4 Thank you, J.K. Simmons for such a perfectly usable reaction. Chefs kiss.

Originally posted by ODG
carver9 predates me? I don't understand why you're so offended at the notion of creating qwertyuiop1998 as a sock, tbh.

qwertyuiop1998 appears to be pretty well-regarded by KMC. You should be honored actually that anybody confuses the two of you. But, ok.

abhilegend stands alone in his singular cretinism.
So you're carver's sock. That clears everything up.

How are you so retarded? It's fascinating to see such a unique specimen in wild.

Originally posted by ODG
You know what? This self-masturbatory comment honestly deserves not just video but audio as well:
BwSts2s4ba4 Thank you, J.K. Simmons for such a perfectly usable reaction. Chefs kiss.


Nigga, compose thyself.

Do they even have bio that says their general strength or anything?

We know Amazons and Atlanteans are in the 10ton range by bios and feats.

Ignoring the little spat here, I heard someone asking for feats for fodder/mook Asgardians. I looked and it seems I have a few.

Asgardians can survive for hours with their hearts removed from their bodies, and can possibly revive fully if the heart is placed back in their chest:

https://i.imgur.com/vGKMlcC.jpeg
https://i.imgur.com/ZtK4eEt.jpeg

Asgardians are unhurt by flaming geysers erupting beneath them (their horses are vulnerable but not them):

https://i.imgur.com/uCbVu5G.jpeg

And that's basically the extent of what I have for fodder/nameless Asgardians.

That's actually good stuff

Originally posted by Juntai
Do they even have bio that says their general strength or anything?

We know Amazons and Atlanteans are in the 10ton range by bios and feats.

From handbook bio? Average Asgardians were originally supposed to be more godly. They were described as 30-tonners and were pretty tough and resistant to injury. I feel like later on they seemed a bit watered down.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Ignoring the little spat here, I heard someone asking for feats for fodder/mook Asgardians. I looked and it seems I have a few.

Asgardians can survive for hours with their hearts removed from their bodies, and can possibly revive fully if the heart is placed back in their chest:

https://i.imgur.com/vGKMlcC.jpeg
https://i.imgur.com/ZtK4eEt.jpeg

Asgardians are unhurt by flaming geysers erupting beneath them (their horses are vulnerable but not them):

https://i.imgur.com/uCbVu5G.jpeg

And that's basically the extent of what I have for fodder/nameless Asgardians.
That's basically all I wanted, thanks. Looks like Daken and Taskmaster and the space ants were low showings.

https://i.ibb.co/CBt2gp6/thor-really.gif

Endless posted the same scan as Odg showing that Asgardians are nigh immortal.

Yet Daken is casually sitting on a pile of their corpses, Taskmaster is dancing around them getting them to kill each other, Mr X does the same, and the space ants killed loads. And that's just the ones that spring to mind.

One of the two categories is at odds with the other. One is a statement that they might revive if the hearts were placed back, and the other shows them definitely pretty dead.

I don't think it's so inconsistent that the alien ants could have had weapons that could defeat normal Asgardians. What's inconsistent is them beating Odin.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
I don't think it's so inconsistent that the alien ants could have had weapons that could defeat normal Asgardians. What's inconsistent is them beating Odin.

Plus Daken/Taskmaster/Mr X. Taskmaster also fought Fandral I believe, and was matching him - which, fine, skill is his thing, but if you have two opponents and each are equally skilled, the 30tonner (or whatever it is that Fandral is) should simply beat the poop out of Tasky

Anyway, some more scans that I have heard of but never actually seen are:

- Hulk diving into concentrated antimatter (I've seen him holding two spheres apart, one of which contained antimatter, but never actually touching the stuff directly)

- Magneto moving a moon out of orbit while battling Shi'ar warships (apparently some time back in the 70s)

- Similarly, Shi'ar warships destroying planets (or being stated to be able to do so with their normal/standard weapons)

- Pre-Crisis Superman creating and destroying multiple star systems as a side effect of a battle

If any of these exist and you have them, please post them.

Concession accepted haw-som

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Anyway, some more scans that I have heard of but never actually seen are:

- Hulk diving into concentrated antimatter (I've seen him holding two spheres apart, one of which contained antimatter, but never actually touching the stuff directly)

- Magneto moving a moon out of orbit while battling Shi'ar warships (apparently some time back in the 70s)

- Similarly, Shi'ar warships destroying planets (or being stated to be able to do so with their normal/standard weapons)

- Pre-Crisis Superman creating and destroying multiple star systems as a side effect of a battle

If any of these exist and you have them, please post them.
None of these exist.

Ok I have read lots of text from one side about no name fodder Asgardians.

Does anyone have other scans of fodder Asgardians?

Originally posted by Juntai
Do they even have bio that says their general strength or anything?

We know Amazons and Atlanteans are in the 10ton range by bios and feats. Bios are worthless IMHO but yes, there are bio entires:

https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Asgardians05.jpg Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Endless posted the same scan as Odg showing that Asgardians are nigh immortal.

Yet Daken is casually sitting on a pile of their corpses, Taskmaster is dancing around them getting them to kill each other, Mr X does the same, and the space ants killed loads. And that's just the ones that spring to mind.

One of the two categories is at odds with the other. One is a statement that they might revive if the hearts were placed back, and the other shows them definitely pretty dead. Daken killing them shouldn't be at odds with anything. Pretty sure he had Muramasa lacing his claws when he was a Dark Avenger. He lost them shortly after.

Osborn also says most Asgardians are as tough as Spider-Man but if anything is lip-service, it's this:

https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Asgardians06.jpg

Yeah. I assume you've been looking yourself through scans, and you know the whole mythos better than I - it sounds like (and again, not trapping anyone) there's a huge paucity of feats for what a 'generic' Asgardian is like.

The Muramasa blade was only on his third under claw, right? Pretty sure he was only using his top two claws

Originally posted by ODG
Bios are worthless IMHO but yes, there are bio entires:

https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Asgardians05.jpg Daken killing them shouldn't be at odds with anything. Pretty sure he had Muramasa lacing his claws when he was a Dark Avenger. He lost them shortly after.

Osborn also says most Asgardians are as tough as Spider-Man but if anything is lip-service, it's this:

https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Asgardians06.jpg Its fine when they match what's on panel.

For Amazons, we know they're really close to Diana before her gifts.
They were shown in the Perez era pushing giant boulders up hill, etc.
We've also seen good feats from characters like Grace and Artemis, who are trained Amazons but lacking Diana's extra given gifts.


But at the end, whether its feats or lip service, unnamed people in comics are almost always going to look much worse than a named one.

Like statistically, one of those Asgardians should beat the bejesus out of someone like Cap, but we know Cap can trade with Loki or Thor or knock out Hulk. So the stats are largely meaningless among the unnamed.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yeah. I assume you've been looking yourself through scans, and you know the whole mythos better than I - it sounds like (and again, not trapping anyone) there's a huge paucity of feats for what a 'generic' Asgardian is like.

The Muramasa blade was only on his third under claw, right? Pretty sure he was only using his top two claws

Yeah, he was using his top two claws to slaughter them (note the first scan as he tears the jaw apart:
https://i.postimg.cc/dZLbnSDL/RCO003-1467331679.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/BtbfqtN4/RCO010-w-1467331679.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/G870F1LW/RCO012-1467331679.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/ZCNgRNNt/RCO016-1467331584.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/r0p3FY1Q/RCO017-1467331584-1.jpg

A random soldier was able to stop this ASgardian from stabbing him:https://i.postimg.cc/v1bCCmcR/RCO018-w-1467331584.jpg

Ozzzbourn was able to casually slaughter them:
https://i.postimg.cc/QFpR67Nk/RCO022-1467331584.jpg


And his 3rd claw:
https://i.postimg.cc/xJTDNd2G/RCO023-1467331584.jpg

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Ozzzbourn

Originally posted by Juntai
Its fine when they match what's on panel.

For Amazons, we know they're really close to Diana before her gifts.
They were shown in the Perez era pushing giant boulders up hill, etc.
We've also seen good feats from characters like Grace and Artemis, who are trained Amazons but lacking Diana's extra given gifts. You and I don't disagree when it comes to figuring out averages of an entire race. I suppose my largest grievance is that you cannot really ask for an average when you exclude trained Asgardians who lack extra given gifts. Excluding Odin, Thor, etc. makes sense. But excluding Fandral, Hildegarde, etc.? That makes less sense.

Disregarding extra given gifts eliminates extraordinary exceptions that would completely skew an average, But the averages of any species have their highs and lows. You eliminate the highs, you're not approximating an average. You're asking for their baseline lows.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yeah, he was using his top two claws to slaughter them (note the first scan as he tears the jaw apart:
https://postimg.cc/dZLbnSDL]
https://postimg.cc/BtbfqtN4
https://postimg.cc/G870F1LW
https://postimg.cc/ZCNgRNNt
https://postimg.cc/r0p3FY1Q

A random soldier was able to stop this ASgardian from stabbing him:
https://postimg.cc/v1bCCmcR

Ozzzbourn was able to casually slaughter them:
https://postimg.cc/QFpR67Nk

And his 3rd claw:
https://postimg.cc/xJTDNd2G That particular Osborn scan is a fantasy dream imposed upon him by the Fates. They were kinda messing with his mind the entire time during Siege.

Either way, I don't disagree that Daken never visibly used his Muramasa claws against the Asgardians. Although they're bone claws, he can still slice through stuff like butter. He did the same to Skaar who is waaay tougher than "normal" Asgardians:

https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Daken01.jpg

Originally posted by ODG
That particular Osborn scan is a fantasy dream imposed upon him by the Fates. They were kinda messing with his mind the entire time during Siege.

Either way, I don't disagree that Daken never visibly used his Muramasa claws against the Asgardians. Although they're bone claws, he can still slice through stuff like butter. He did the same to Skaar who is waaay tougher than "normal" Asgardians:

https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Daken01.jpg

Yeah lol I kinda guessed it wasn't real due to Osseigh not being,well, dead.

I was just showing that Daken wasn't using the third under claw (which had the blade) against the Asgardians, as the artist took special care to depict it when needed.

So them dying to Daken is still at odds with the whole 'immortal' shtick.

There is one Asgardian trope I've discovered that suggests how generally strong Asgardians are as a race. It's where they use bow and arrows to take out aerial fighters. Now Darksaint85 would object to the 1st and 2nd scans because they involve Heimdall and Hogun. But a closer reading of Hogun attacking the Thunderbolts' jet reveals that Paladin immediately recognizes the threat a single Asgardian bowman represents to their jet:
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Asgardians11.jpg
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Asgardians08.jpg

These next few scans further suggest that normal Asgardian things are just well beyond humans so their bows cannot be drawn by normal people and even their doors are incredibly heavy that make a brick like Grizzly grunt just to open:
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Asgardians10.jpg
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Asgardians09.jpg

The Asgardian bow and arrow trope reappears during the Shi'ar Asgardian War and this time it's faceless Asgardians:
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Asgardians07.jpg

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yeah lol I kinda guessed it wasn't real due to Osseigh not being,well, dead.

I was just showing that Daken wasn't using the third under claw (which had the blade) against the Asgardians, as the artist took special care to depict it when needed.

So them dying to Daken is still at odds with the whole 'immortal' shtick. They're near immortal. As Doom observed, you could remove one's heart and might be able to stick it back in after several minutes and they'll be fine.

But Asgardians are all near immortal because they eat the golden apples of Idunn. And as I stated pages ago, they're less immortal on Earth than when in Asgard-space proper:

https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Asgardians12.jpg

Originally posted by Endless Mike
- Hulk diving into concentrated antimatter (I've seen him holding two spheres apart, one of which contained antimatter, but never actually touching the stuff directly) Maybe you're referring to when Savage Hulk dove into a trap consisting of antimatter beams:

https://hosting.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Durability/.highres/SavageHulkEnergy03TTA078.jpg Originally posted by Endless Mike
- Similarly, Shi'ar warships destroying planets (or being stated to be able to do so with their normal/standard weapons) Shi'ar were on-panel busting Kree planets indiscriminately with Negabombs during War of Kings #2:

https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Nega_Bombs01.jpg Originally posted by abhilegend
None of these exist. Shut up, moron.

Originally posted by ODG
Shut up, moron.

He didn't ask for Nega bombs, you ****ing idiot. Nega bombs can sterlize an entire galaxy.

Correct, I was talking about standard weapons. I remember IWD (poster on another forum) saying they did that in the 70s.

Thanks for the Hulk scan BTW. Do you know what issue it's from?

Originally posted by Endless Mike
- Similarly, Shi'ar warships destroying planets (or being stated to be able to do so with their normal/standard weapons) Well, you used the simple disjunction "or", so even by this new parsing, I did answer your question. I'll not be blamed for not reading between the lines, as it were. Originally posted by abhilegend
He didn't ask for Nega bombs, you ****ing idiot. Nega bombs can sterlize an entire galaxy. I know the original Negabomb wrecked the Kree galaxy. What an unextraordinary statement of fact. But I suppose what you don't know is that in the years since Operation: Galactic Storm, aliens have used smaller versions of the original Negabomb as part of their war arsenals. So I'm not even sure why these smaller Negabombs wouldn't be considered part of the Shi'ar's war arsenal. Originally posted by Endless Mike
Thanks for the Hulk scan BTW. Do you know what issue it's from? Tales to Astonish #78.

Thanks. Although I was talking more about their standard cannons and such. The rumor I heard was that they either destroyed planets or were stated to be able to destroy them with just the regular guns of their ships.

^ Fair enough, mang. Maybe the rumor you were being subjected is the Shi'ar threatening to devastate the planetary crust of Earth with their antimatter cannons:
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Shiar01.jpg

Originally posted by ODG
I know the original Negabomb wrecked the Kree galaxy. What an unextraordinary statement of fact. But I suppose what you don't know is that in the years since Operation: Galactic Storm, aliens have used smaller versions of the original Negabomb as part of their war arsenals. So I'm not even sure why these smaller Negabombs wouldn't be considered part of the Shi'ar's war arsenal.

Because Nega bombs are a specific type of weapons, not found on any random Shiar ship.

Why are you so dumb?

^ Except Negabombs were used by random Shi'ar ships on-panel? And other alien ships on-panel?

How many hills are you willing to die on in a single week, bruh?

Originally posted by ODG
^ Except Negabombs were used by random Shi'ar ships on-panel? And other alien ships on-panel?

How many hills are you willing to die on in a single week, bruh? Originally posted by Endless Mike
Correct, I was talking about standard weapons. I remember IWD (poster on another forum) saying they did that in the 70s.

Thanks for the Hulk scan BTW. Do you know what issue it's from?
I'm willing to die on the hill which is correct. Can you read words? I know you can't read images.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I'm willing to die on the hill which is correct. Can you read words? I know you can't read images. So you deny that Marvel alien races utilize smaller Negabombs on-panel? If you won't relent....
Originally posted by ODG
Shut up, moron.