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Battlefield is on a barren planet with similar characteristics as the fight scene in Endgame (Big 3 vs Thanos).

Fight1: Hela vs Endgame Thanos (armor and sword).
Fight2: Hela vs Captain Marvel
Fight3: Captain Marvel vs Endgame Thanos (armor and sword).

Bonus question:
Rank their physical strength.

Hela's feat of casually catching Mjolnir, preventing it from returning to Thor and crushing it is unmatched.

Hela beats them both

I can't quote for some reason, but I'll address h1a8 anyway.

Who cares about Ultimate Hulk and Ultimate Mjolnir? MCU Hulk couldn't do jack to MCU Mjolnir. Thanos is somewhat stronger than Hulk and Thor based on feats, but nowhere near strong enough to overpower the enchantment or break the mallet. We know that because Captain America w/Mjolnir took Thanos for a ride. Based on their performances against Mjonir and its wielders, Hela is significantly stronger than Thanos. Stabbing her doesn't do much either. Mjolnir's lightning hurt Thanos, but Hela didn't seem particularly hurt by Thor's massive lightning strike. Maybe a decapitation could stop her, but it's Hela's fight to lose.

Why are you doing this? We know it's too strong for Hulk and that's enough. We can scale everyone else off Hulk.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Why are you doing this? We know it's too strong for Hulk and that's enough. We can scale everyone else off Hulk.

Ok that's fine. What's Hulk's average strength?
100 tons? 500 tons?

Outside of PIS and CIS, Thanos loses first in this match.

He doesn't have long range attacks, he doesn't have flight, and he doesn't have any healing factor. There's nothing he can do if CM just flies above him and keeps blasting him away. He's going to have a hard time closing the distance against Hela if Hela just spikes him from afar.

So Thanos goes down first.

CM vs. Hela can go back and forth for a bit due to CM's mobility advantage but eventually Hela wins due to her healing. CM can't really do anything to permanently take out Hela, and she'll eventually get hit by a spike or two.

Hela wins.

Originally posted by tkitna
Hela beats them both

Originally posted by FrothByte
You say it's important not to apply a "no-limits" fallacy and yet you claim Thanos should be able to easily block Hela's spikes by spinning his sword (something which is far harder than it sounds) and assume that Hela's spikes can't pierce either Thanos or CM when they've been able to penetrate beings like Thor and Surtur.

Thanos was able to block a continuous energy beam by spinning his sword, so blocking some spikes should be significantly easier. Look at 2:21
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I didn't claim her spikes can't pierce Thanos - they can. However, I don't believe they would be able to penetrate Captain Marvel, who is more durable than both Thor and Thanos.

Also he can do what this Asgardian did. Look at 1:30
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Just replace getting smacked with the mace with being decapitated by the sword.

Originally posted by h1a8
Ok that's fine. What's Hulk's average strength?
100 tons? 500 tons?

Why do you need exact numbers? Is it some kind of autism?

Don't forget Hela can summon spikes large enough to imapale Surtur and still project a few hundred feet out from his body. Thanos can't block those because they're bigger than he is. She can also summon spikes from the ground. And if she can impale Surtur while he's in the process of starting Ragnarok, she can impale Carol.

Lol. Carol isn't more durable than Surtur. Also, good luck to Thanos trying to decapitate Hela. As if she doesn't know how to fight.

Originally posted by h1a8
Thanos was able to block a continuous energy beam by spinning his sword, so blocking some spikes should be significantly easier. Look at 2:21
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I didn't claim her spikes can't pierce Thanos - they can. However, I don't believe they would be able to penetrate Captain Marvel, who is more durable than both Thor and Thanos.

Also he can do what this Asgardian did. Look at 1:30
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Just replace getting smacked with the mace with being decapitated by the sword.

Yes, Thanos blocked ONE continuous energy beam. ONE. Hela can throw dozens of spikes his way, some of them even coming up from the ground.

And if you want to claim Carol is more durable than Thor and Thanos, you'll need to back that up with proof. Because as far as movie feats go, that doesn't seem to be the case.

Originally posted by tkitna
Lol. Carol isn't more durable than Surtur. Also, good luck to Thanos trying to decapitate Hela. As if she doesn't know how to fight.
The durability argument is covered in my post before this one.
Thanos doesn't know how to fight? Tell that to Gamora, whom he personally trained, as well as the Hulk, Loki, Ragnarok Thor, and the big three in Endgame, all of whom he defeated or outmaneuvered in combat. Meanwhile, Hela was tagged multiple times in battle, with Thor and the Asgardian wielding a mace serving as clear examples.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Yes, Thanos blocked ONE continuous energy beam. ONE. Hela can throw dozens of spikes his way, some of them even coming up from the ground.

And if you want to claim Carol is more durable than Thor and Thanos, you'll need to back that up with proof. Because as far as movie feats go, that doesn't seem to be the case.

The spinning blade can function as a shield, covering Thanos' entire body. Even when stationary, the blade is wide enough to protect the majority of his body.

Regarding spikes emerging from the ground and the claim that Carol isn't more durable than Thor, you should refer to the Propensity, and DURABILITY COMPARISON sections of my previous post. They thoroughly refute this argument.

I'll repeat them here.


1. PROPENSITY:
Hela's use of massive spikes was context-specific. She summoned that spike to target a large, stationary object (Surtur) and prevent Ragnarok. Throughout the rest of Thor: Ragnarok, she primarily uses smaller, more targeted spikes against individual enemies, never resorting to anything remotely close to the magnitude of the one used against Surtur. This suggests that she does not typically deploy large spikes in one-on-one combat or smaller skirmishes, even when facing serious threats like Thor or the armies of Asgard. Her decision-making and combat style seem tailored to her environment and the scale of her enemies, meaning there's no clear precedent that she would use these massive spikes in a fast-paced, three-way fight against AGILE and powerful opponents like Thanos and Captain Marvel.

2. CAPABILITY:
The massive spike was summoned when Hela was on Asgard, where her power was at its peak. The relationship between her powers and Asgard is explicitly established in the film, meaning her ability to summon spikes of that scale may have been amplified by her connection to the realm. In this fight, Hela isn't on Asgard, which may diminish Hela's capability to summon such spikes at that scale. Moreover, the spike emerged from water in Ragnarok, implying that environmental factors might play a role. Outside of Asgard and in the absence of these specific conditions, it's uncertain whether she could manifest similarly massive spikes.

3. DURABILITY COMPARISON:
Surtur lacks significant durability feats in the MCU. His appearance and destruction in Thor: Ragnarok make him seem more analogous to heated rock, which Hela could easily impale. Captain Marvel, on the other hand, has proven her durability through multiple high-end feats, such as withstanding the power of an Infinity Stone, surviving a direct hit from Thanos' sword, and flying through Kree ships/ Sanctuary II, destroying them in the process. There's no clear indication that Hela's spikes, even if large, would be able to penetrate Captain Marvel's energy aura, which has withstood cosmic-level threats. Simply impaling Surtur, who doesn't have comparable durability feats, doesn't equate to being able to damage a character as durable as Captain Marvel.

Originally posted by h1a8
The durability argument is covered in my post before this one.
Thanos doesn't know how to fight? Tell that to Gamora, whom he personally trained, as well as the Hulk, Loki, Ragnarok Thor, and the big three in Endgame, all of whom he defeated or outmaneuvered in combat. Meanwhile, Hela was tagged multiple times in battle, with Thor and the Asgardian wielding a mace serving as clear examples.

And your previous post is a joke. You do know Carol was able to withstand Thano's onslaught with the stones because she was drawing energy and power from those same stones at the time don't you? Also, you brought up the spacecrafts she flew through and destroyed as a feat. The same spacecrafts you argued against as having no established strength or durability feats in a prior thread. What a joke.

And yeah, she took a few shots from some Asgardians. The same Asgardians that she had no fear of because they couldn't damage or kill her regardless. I'm sure she would step it up during an altercation with somebody she had no measure on. She is so much more of a fighter than Thor and other Asgardians that it's laughable.

Last point is the reason she only used giant spikes against Surtur is well,,,,because he was a giant. How many other giants did she fight in that movie? Using smaller spikes against smaller opponents is common sense.

She beats Carol and Thanos without much trouble.

Originally posted by tkitna
And your previous post is a joke. You do know Carol was able to withstand Thano's onslaught with the stones because she was drawing energy and power from those same stones at the time don't you? Also, you brought up the spacecrafts she flew through and destroyed as a feat. The same spacecrafts you argued against as having no established strength or durability feats in a prior thread. What a joke.

And yeah, she took a few shots from some Asgardians. The same Asgardians that she had no fear of because they couldn't damage or kill her regardless. I'm sure she would step it up during an altercation with somebody she had no measure on. She is so much more of a fighter than Thor and other Asgardians that it's laughable.

Last point is the reason she only used giant spikes against Surtur is well,,,,because he was a giant. How many other giants did she fight in that movie? Using smaller spikes against smaller opponents is common sense.

She beats Carol and Thanos without much trouble.

Prove that Carol was drawing energy from the stones. Her flying through spaceships showcases a better durability feat than anything we've seen from Surtur. Hela's tendency to use smaller spikes against smaller foes aligns with her established fighting style. Thanks for backing me up against Froth on that point.

Thor performed well against Hela in terms of skill. In fact, if it weren't for Hela's healing factor, Thor would have won.

Thanos was losing to Captain Marvel 1v1 in Endgame. Thanos tried headbutting Carol to knock her away as Carol had a grip on his hand in the infinity gauntlet. Her energy shield stopped him dead in his tracks, and she was spreading his fingers back in the gauntlet as Thanos was actively trying to close his fist to activate the stones. If it wasn't for Thanos thinking fast and tossing the power stone in his left hand, Carol would snapped his fingers and wrist backwards. Carol wins H2H or from a distance against the purple big bad.

Hela vs. Thanos is more lopsided IMO, as Thanos has no way to take her down with her regenerative capabilities, and she can just spam swords at will.

Hela vs Carol is closer, but I gotta pick Hela in that matchup.

Originally posted by h1a8
Prove that Carol was drawing energy from the stones. Her flying through spaceships showcases a better durability feat than anything we've seen from Surtur. Hela's tendency to use smaller spikes against smaller foes aligns with her established fighting style. Thanks for backing me up against Froth on that point.

Thor performed well against Hela in terms of skill. In fact, if it weren't for Hela's healing factor, Thor would have won.

How do you think she no-sold a headbut from Thanos. Thanos had to rip the power gem out of the glove (that Carol was holding and drawing power from) to break the connection and then he immediately slapped her away. She absorbs energy.

You once again are using the spaceship durability feat when you denounced it in a previous thread. Nobody is forgetting that.

Aligns with her fighting style? Its an ability she uses while fighting yes, but it has nothing to do with her actual fighting skills. Yes, Thor did do well skill wise against her, but I doubt she would fight like that if she was in danger of losing. She even told Thor that she expected more from him and that he was nothing.

Originally posted by John Murdoch
Thanos was losing to Captain Marvel 1v1 in Endgame. Thanos tried headbutting Carol to knock her away as Carol had a grip on his hand in the infinity gauntlet. Her energy shield stopped him dead in his tracks, and she was spreading his fingers back in the gauntlet as Thanos was actively trying to close his fist to activate the stones. If it wasn't for Thanos thinking fast and tossing the power stone in his left hand, Carol would snapped his fingers and wrist backwards. Carol wins H2H or from a distance against the purple big bad.

Hela vs. Thanos is more lopsided IMO, as Thanos has no way to take her down with her regenerative capabilities, and she can just spam swords at will.

Hela vs Carol is closer, but I gotta pick Hela in that matchup.

Thanos holds an advantage over Hela thanks to his sword, which serves both as a powerful offensive tool - capable of potentially decapitating her - and as an effective defensive weapon.

As for Captain Marvel, while I don't see Hela being able to pierce her defenses, Hela is undoubtedly stronger. I'd consider this match-up a stalemate.

Originally posted by tkitna
How do you think she no-sold a headbut from Thanos. Thanos had to rip the power gem out of the glove (that Carol was holding and drawing power from) to break the connection and then he immediately slapped her away. She absorbs energy.

You once again are using the spaceship durability feat when you denounced it in a previous thread. Nobody is forgetting that.

Aligns with her fighting style? Its an ability she uses while fighting yes, but it has nothing to do with her actual fighting skills. Yes, Thor did do well skill wise against her, but I doubt she would fight like that if she was in danger of losing. She even told Thor that she expected more from him and that he was nothing.
You're just making stuff up. I asked for actual proof. It's possible she shrugged off Thanos' headbutt because she's that powerful - have you considered that?

The spaceship durability feat demonstrates that Captain Marvel can endure any force up to or below that level. However, it can't be used to show that she can endure forces above that level.

Thanos, however, has a one-shot weapon. While she may seem unbeatable, one strike from him could be all it takes to defeat her.

Originally posted by h1a8
You're just making stuff up. I asked for actual proof. It's possible she shrugged off Thanos' headbutt because she's that powerful - have you considered that?

The spaceship durability feat demonstrates that Captain Marvel can endure any force up to or below that level. However, it can't be used to show that she can endure forces above that level.

Thanos, however, has a one-shot weapon. While she may seem unbeatable, one strike from him could be all it takes to defeat her.

She shrugged off a headbutt while holding the glove, but got swatted away like a fly when Thanos removed the power gem. Hmmm. Wonder how that happened.

What is that level for the spaceships exactly? According to you in another thread, the durability of the spaceships couldn't be measured so it wasn't a good or valid feat.

Hela has weapons and abilites too. A giant spike up Thanos's rearend should do the trick for an easy win.

Originally posted by h1a8
Thanos holds an advantage over Hela thanks to his sword, which serves both as a powerful offensive tool - capable of potentially decapitating her - and as an effective defensive weapon.

As for Captain Marvel, while I don't see Hela being able to pierce her defenses, Hela is undoubtedly stronger. I'd consider this match-up a stalemate.

Spoken like someone who knows nothing about swordplay.

You do understand that a sword is capable of defending against another sword right? Or have you never heard of terms like parries and blocks?

Originally posted by FrothByte
Spoken like someone who knows nothing about swordplay.

You do understand that a sword is capable of defending against another sword right? Or have you never heard of terms like parries and blocks?

So, you're suggesting that I implied Hela wouldn't block or parry some of Thanos' attacks? That's not what I meant at all. Of course, Hela is more than capable of defending herself against sword attacks.

However, let's not forget that Hela isn't untouchable.
She was hit multiple times, even by a random Asgardian. Therefore, Thanos stands a very good chance against her.

Now, having a good chance doesn't mean he'll win every time, but it does mean he could pose a serious threat.

Additionally, Thanos' sword is powerful enough to slice through Hela's weapons, potentially leaving her momentarily vulnerable.

Originally posted by h1a8
So, you're suggesting that I implied Hela wouldn't block or parry some of Thanos' attacks? That's not what I meant at all. Of course, Hela is more than capable of defending herself against sword attacks.

However, let's not forget that Hela isn't untouchable.
She was hit multiple times, even by a random Asgardian. Therefore, Thanos stands a very good chance against her.

Now, having a good chance doesn't mean he'll win every time, but it does mean he could pose a serious threat.

Additionally, Thanos' sword is powerful enough to slice through Hela's weapons, potentially leaving her momentarily vulnerable.

Hela was only hit by random Asgardians when she took on the entire Asgardian army by her lonesome. When has Thanos ever performed a martial feat like that without the assistance of any Infinity stone?

Assuming Hela is just half strength outside of Asgard, she should be more than powerful enough to defeat both.

Not even sure Hela has a healing factor, more so damage just doesn't really damage her. Sword's go in and come out without bother.

IMO, saying "random Asgardians" is a downplay, they were all Asgardian warriors, not bakers and actors.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Hela was only hit by random Asgardians when she took on the entire Asgardian army by her lonesome. When has Thanos ever performed a martial feat like that without the assistance of any Infinity stone?

You might have forgotten the first scene. At the start, she faced off against a lone random Asgardian. He successfully blocked her thrown attacks and closed the distance, managing to strike her in the face with his mace. She quickly recovered and retaliated by kicking him through a brick wall.

Originally posted by Robtard
Assuming Hela is just half strength outside of Asgard, she should be more than powerful enough to defeat both.

Not even sure Hela has a healing factor, more so damage just doesn't really damage her. Sword's go in and come out without bother.

IMO, saying "random Asgardians" is a downplay, they were all Asgardian warriors, not bakers and actors.

The argument is that Thanos could potentially win by decapitating her or severing her limbs.

Random Asgardians are no more skilled than notable ones like Thor, Loki, Sif, etc. Thanos, however, is more skilled than any Asgardian we've seen.

Originally posted by h1a8
You might have forgotten the first scene. At the start, she faced off against a lone random Asgardian. He successfully blocked her thrown attacks and closed the distance, managing to strike her in the face with his mace. She quickly recovered and retaliated by kicking him through a brick wall.

A random Asgardian? Lol. Tell me you haven't watched the MCU movies without telling me you haven't watched the MCU movies.

Yeah, Hogun the most skilled of the Warriors Three is a random Asgardian.

Originally posted by KingD19
Yeah, Hogun the most skilled of the Warriors Three is a random Asgardian.

Yeah, just a random Asgardian.

Originally posted by FrothByte
A random Asgardian? Lol. Tell me you haven't watched the MCU movies without telling me you haven't watched the MCU movies. I stand corrected. I didn't recognize him with the facial hair. He was indeed Hogun.
Still, the argument remains the same.

Originally posted by KingD19
Yeah, Hogun the most skilled of the Warriors Three is a random Asgardian. No need to lie. He was indeed a member and peer of the Warriors Three in the MCU, nothing more. Unless you have any on-screen evidence proving that he was the most skilled of the three?

Originally posted by h1a8
No need to lie. He was indeed a member and peer of the Warriors Three in the MCU, nothing more. Unless you have any on-screen evidence proving that he was the most skilled of the three?

It's pretty clear.

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Originally posted by h1a8
The argument is that Thanos could potentially win by decapitating her or severing her limbs.

Random Asgardians are no more skilled than notable ones like Thor, Loki, Sif, etc. Thanos, however, is more skilled than any Asgardian we've seen.

Sure, possible, but considering she's faster, stronger, more agile and skilled and can literally create unlimited weaponry at will, Thanos is losing 9 out of 10 fights without the help of at least a few stones.

They're still trained warriors and she took them all on. Thanos isn't more skilled than Hela, she has the skills to take on armies alone and win. Thanos had trouble with the Titan seven, Hela would have dominated them in seconds.

Originally posted by Robtard
Sure, possible, but considering she's faster, stronger, more agile and skilled and can literally create unlimited weaponry at will, Thanos is losing 9 out of 10 fights without the help of at least a few stones.

They're still trained warriors and she took them all on. Thanos isn't more skilled than Hela, she has the skills to take on armies alone and win. Thanos had trouble with the Titan seven, Hela would have dominated them in seconds.

Thanos is at least as skilled and as fast as Hela, though I would argue he's actually more skilled overall.

His sword is capable of slicing through her weapons, leaving her temporarily defenseless. Thanos can easily defend against her thrown weapons, far more effectively than Hogun did.

You're overestimating Hela's skill based on her fights against Asgardian warriors, where she had clear advantages in durability, healing factor, strength, and her ability to overwhelm them with thrown weapons. Without those advantages, Hogun could have defeated her in seconds when he landed a blow to her face, and Thor would have been able to kill her as well.

In my opinion, the matchup between Thanos and Hela is more of a 50/50 toss-up.

Originally posted by h1a8
Thanos is at least as skilled and as fast as Hela, though I would argue he's actually more skilled overall.

His sword is capable of slicing through her weapons, leaving her temporarily defenseless. Thanos can easily defend against her thrown weapons, far more effectively than Hogun did.

You're overestimating Hela's skill based on her fights against Asgardian warriors, where she had clear advantages in durability, healing factor, strength, and her ability to overwhelm them with thrown weapons. Without those advantages, Hogun could have defeated her in seconds when he landed a blow to her face, and Thor would have been able to kill her as well.

In my opinion, the matchup between Thanos and Hela is more of a 50/50 toss-up.

He's extremely skilled, but he's not on par going by their fight scenes, as he's not parkour fighting an entire army with support attack flying vehicles and obliterating with contemptuous ease.

Even if we assume Thanos' sword can cut through her blades, she can literally make new ones with a thought.

LoL. Which movie did you watch? Thor had to flee for his life after Hela crushed Mjolnir. On Asgard she was unstoppable, why Thor had to start Ragnarok, only way to defeat Hela was to have Asgard destroyed. You need a rewatch or two.

Hela
Thanos



Captain Marvel.

CM is the weakest here and lacks the power to KO anyone here.

Originally posted by Robtard
He's extremely skilled, but he's not on par going by their fight scenes, as he's not parkour fighting an entire army with support attack flying vehicles and obliterating with contemptuous ease.

Even if we assume Thanos' sword can cut through her blades, she can literally make new ones with a thought.

LoL. Which movie did you watch? Thor had to flee for his life after Hela crushed Mjolnir. On Asgard she was unstoppable, why Thor had to start Ragnarok, only way to defeat Hela was to have Asgard destroyed. You need a rewatch or two.

You never actually addressed one of my arguments. You ignored it.

Here again :

Originally posted by h1a8


You're overestimating Hela's skill based on her fights against Asgardian warriors, where she had clear advantages in durability, healing factor, strength, and her ability to overwhelm them with thrown weapons. Without those advantages, Hogun could have defeated her in seconds when he landed a blow to her face, and Thor would have been able to kill her as well.

That's like arguing Superman is more skilled in combat than Batman just because he's stronger, more durable, and has a variety of other powers.

Being able to throw weapons repeatedly while having high durability and healing isn't the same as having hand-to-hand combat or sword-fighting skills. Many low-skilled fighters could do what Hela did if they had her abilities.

Thor stabbed her in the chest with Gungnir during their one-on-one battle. He would have defeated her if she didn't have a healing factor. Similarly, Hogun struck her in the face with a mace in under five seconds. Without her durability, he could have beaten her then.

Thanos, on the other hand, demonstrated exceptional skill in Endgame, and let's not forget he trained Gamora, who is highly skilled.

Thanos can sever a limb or decapitate her before she has time to form another weapon to block his attack. She requires arm gestures to create weapons, and her arm speed followed by weapon creation to block attacks isn't faster than Thanos can swing his sword.

Hela was Odin's firstborn child and the General of his armies for centuries. And the Asgardians are a warrior race. You really think Hela isn't skilled in combat? Thor himself is an exceptional fighter considering he is 1,500+ and has been fighting since he was a child.

He too was a warrior prince and a general of the Asgardian forces. Hogun is similarly skilled and the best fighter of the W3, with Volstagg being the strongest and Fandral being the brains. And I can confidently say he was the most skilled because the other two got one-shot by Hela. Hogun fought her for quite a while, actually landed hits, took some of his own, and she shot a spike through his back from the ground to finally stop him instead of continuing to fight him head on after killing all the soldiers around him.

Originally posted by KingD19
Hela was Odin's firstborn child and the General of his armies for centuries. And the Asgardians are a warrior race. You really think Hela isn't skilled in combat? Thor himself is an exceptional fighter considering he is 1,500+ and has been fighting since he was a child.

He too was a warrior prince and a general of the Asgardian forces. Hogun is similarly skilled and the best fighter of the W3, with Volstagg being the strongest and Fandral being the brains. And I can confidently say he was the most skilled because the other two got one-shot by Hela. Hogun fought her for quite a while, actually landed hits, took some of his own, and she shot a spike through his back from the ground to finally stop him instead of continuing to fight him head on after killing all the soldiers around him.

I previously acknowledged that Hela is highly skilled. My argument is that Thanos is at least equally skilled, and he has a 50/50 chance of winning by severing a limb or through decapitation.

It's not proven that Hogun is more skilled than the other three in the MCU.

Hogun managed to strike Hela in the face with his mace in less than five seconds. Similarly, Thor stabbed her in the chest just moments after their fight began.

Hela isn't untouchable, and Thanos has a fair chance against her.

Originally posted by h1a8
I previously acknowledged that Hela is highly skilled. My argument is that Thanos is at least equally skilled, and he has a 50/50 chance of winning by severing a limb or through decapitation.

It's not proven that Hogun is more skilled than the other three in the MCU.

Hogun managed to strike Hela in the face with his mace in less than five seconds. Similarly, Thor stabbed her in the chest just moments after their fight began.

Hela isn't untouchable, and Thanos has a fair chance against her.

And Captain America easily knocked down Thanos and had him squirming on the ground after a few seconds with Mjolnir. The same Mjolnir that Hela casually disposed of.

Originally posted by h1a8

That's like arguing Superman is more skilled in combat than Batman just because he's stronger, more durable, and has a variety of other powers.

Being able to throw weapons repeatedly while having high durability and healing isn't the same as having hand-to-hand combat or sword-fighting skills. Many low-skilled fighters could do what Hela did if they had her abilities.

Thor stabbed her in the chest with Gungnir during their one-on-one battle. He would have defeated her if she didn't have a healing factor. Similarly, Hogun struck her in the face with a mace in under five seconds. Without her durability, he could have beaten her then.

Thanos, on the other hand, demonstrated exceptional skill in Endgame, and let's not forget he trained Gamora, who is highly skilled.

Thanos can sever a limb or decapitate her before she has time to form another weapon to block his attack. She requires arm gestures to create weapons, and her arm speed followed by weapon creation to block attacks isn't faster than Thanos can swing his sword.

There was plenty of examples of her fighting skills in the movie. Why ignore them?

Thor, Hogun, and Asgards military are all skilled fighters. Why is it such a low feat being tagged by them. Thanos has been tagged by a lot of people.

Originally posted by tkitna
There was plenty of examples of her fighting skills in the movie. Why ignore them?

Thor, Hogun, and Asgards military are all skilled fighters. Why is it such a low feat being tagged by them. Thanos has been tagged by a lot of people.

The term "low feat" is relative and irrelevant in this context. You're missing the point. The aim was to demonstrate that Thanos has a fair and reasonable chance to strike Hela with his sword. It's unrealistic to assume that she is so skilled that Thanos wouldn't be able to land a solid hit on her.

I've already acknowledged that Hela is highly skilled and possesses exceptional combat abilities in a previous post.

Originally posted by FrothByte
And Captain America easily knocked down Thanos and had him squirming on the ground after a few seconds with Mjolnir. The same Mjolnir that Hela casually disposed of.


You have a tendency to exaggerate the facts. Please re-watch the scene.

Cap hits Thanos while Thanos is mid-swing, which has nothing to do with swordplay skill. Cap was already spinning Mjolnir to build up speed, so it's no surprise that he beats Thanos to the punch. Thanos easily blocks Cap's thrown shield afterward. Cap then uses Mjolnir to make the shield hit Thanos from behind, causing him to drop his sword.

Cap manages to block Thanos' punch with his shield and counters with a series of combo attacks, knocking Thanos down again. Eventually, Thanos retrieves his sword and overwhelms Cap (who is armed with both Mjolnir and the shield) in a display of sword skill, where Cap is unable to land a hit and is struck by the sword. From that point, things go downhill for Cap.

I'm not saying Hela can't land a strike on Thanos. My point is that Thanos has about a 50/50 chance against her when wielding his sword. Hela can still defeat him, but in my opinion, the sword levels the playing field and makes it a fairer fight.

Originally posted by h1a8
You never actually addressed one of my arguments. You ignored it.

Here again :



That's like arguing Superman is more skilled in combat than Batman just because he's stronger, more durable, and has a variety of other powers.

Being able to throw weapons repeatedly while having high durability and healing isn't the same as having hand-to-hand combat or sword-fighting skills. Many low-skilled fighters could do what Hela did if they had her abilities.

Thor stabbed her in the chest with Gungnir during their one-on-one battle. He would have defeated her if she didn't have a healing factor. Similarly, Hogun struck her in the face with a mace in under five seconds. Without her durability, he could have beaten her then.

Thanos, on the other hand, demonstrated exceptional skill in Endgame, and let's not forget he trained Gamora, who is highly skilled.

Thanos can sever a limb or decapitate her before she has time to form another weapon to block his attack. She requires arm gestures to create weapons, and her arm speed followed by weapon creation to block attacks isn't faster than Thanos can swing his sword.

I directly addressed it and you ignored it as is your MO. Here again: "He's extremely skilled, but he's not on par going by their fight scenes, as he's not parkour fighting an entire army with support attack flying vehicles and obliterating with contemptuous ease."

Hela > The whole Asgardian army and support ships shows her extremely high skills in battle. Then add that Odin used her as a living weapon to conquesr world after world, only adds to her skill level as a combatant.

If we're going to say that being hit at times dictates a lack of skill, then Thanos isn't a good fighter either, as he was hit multiple times but wasn't beaten due to his high durability. This 'being hit' argument works both ways, not just for Hela as you're desperately trying to do.

Thanos was almost killed by Thor and then Scarlet Witch. Almost beaten down by Captain Marvel. He needed assistance each time to survive. The Titan Seven had him beaten too, until Starlord gave him an assist.

Give Thanos human level durability and human level healing, and Star-Lord would have destroyed him.

Originally posted by Robtard
I directly addressed it and you ignored it as is your MO. Here again: "He's extremely skilled, but he's not on par going by their fight scenes, as he's not parkour fighting an entire army with support attack flying vehicles and obliterating with contemptuous ease."

Hela > The whole Asgardian army and support ships shows her extremely high skills in battle. Then add that Odin used her as a living weapon to conquesr world after world, only adds to her skill level as a combatant.

If we're going to say that being hit at times dictates a lack of skill, then Thanos isn't a good fighter either, as he was hit multiple times but wasn't beaten due to his high durability. This 'being hit' argument works both ways, not just for Hela as you're desperately trying to do.

Thanos was almost killed by Thor and then Scarlet Witch. Almost beaten down by Captain Marvel. He needed assistance each time to survive. The Titan Seven had him beaten too, until Starlord gave him an assist.

Don't forget that Hela is the reason Valkyrie is the only one of her kind left.

Originally posted by Robtard
I directly addressed it and you ignored it as is your MO. Here again: "He's extremely skilled, but he's not on par going by their fight scenes, as he's not parkour fighting an entire army with support attack flying vehicles and obliterating with contemptuous ease."

Hela > The whole Asgardian army and support ships shows her extremely high skills in battle. Then add that Odin used her as a living weapon to conquesr world after world, only adds to her skill level as a combatant.

If we're going to say that being hit at times dictates a lack of skill, then Thanos isn't a good fighter either, as he was hit multiple times but wasn't beaten due to his high durability. This 'being hit' argument works both ways, not just for Hela as you're desperately trying to do.

Thanos was almost killed by Thor and then Scarlet Witch. Almost beaten down by Captain Marvel. He needed assistance each time to survive. The Titan Seven had him beaten too, until Starlord gave him an assist.

Your argument hinges on her doing a single flip off some stairs BEFORE fighting the army, and you're using that to claim she PARKOUR fought the entire army. Do you realize how absurd that sounds?

She didn't flip or jump around during the rest of the fight. Instead, she relied on throwing weapons for 99% of the battle, while tanking and healing from what should have been critical hits.

Flipping alone isn't evidence of her ability to counter or defend against sword attacks. Thanos can swing his sword far faster than she can flip. If she attempted a mid-battle flip against him, he'd cut her in half.

No one said Thanos is untouchable. The point is he has a 50/50 chance to critically injure her, which implies he could be killed before he lands that hit. That's obvious.

Your last point makes no sense. Thanos nearly being defeated by Scarlet Witch is irrelevant here. Being vulnerable to telekinesis doesn't prove he can't block Hela's weapons or that he doesn't have a chance to land a critical blow on her.

And the fact that Captain Marvel barely phased Thanos also has no bearing on his ability to fight Hela with his sword.

Who even are the Titan Seven? Did they fight Thanos when he was armed with his SWORD?

You're supposed to be sharp, my guy. I'm tired of arguing with nonsense. Come at me with solid points so we can have a real debate.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Give Thanos human level durability and human level healing, and Star-Lord would have destroyed him.

Not in a one on one sword fight.

Originally posted by h1a8
Your argument hinges on her doing a single flip off some stairs BEFORE fighting the army, and you're using that to claim she PARKOUR fought the entire army. Do you realize how absurd that sounds?

She didn't flip or jump around during the rest of the fight. Instead, she relied on throwing weapons for 99% of the battle, while tanking and healing from what should have been critical hits.

Flipping alone isn't evidence of her ability to counter or defend against sword attacks. Thanos can swing his sword far faster than she can flip. If she attempted a mid-battle flip against him, he'd cut her in half.

No one said Thanos is untouchable. The point is he has a 50/50 chance to critically injure her, which implies he could be killed before he lands that hit. That's obvious.

Your last point makes no sense. Thanos nearly being defeated by Scarlet Witch is irrelevant here. Being vulnerable to telekinesis doesn't prove he can't block Hela's weapons or that he doesn't have a chance to land a critical blow on her.

And the fact that Captain Marvel barely phased Thanos also has no bearing on his ability to fight Hela with his sword.

Who even are the Titan Seven? Did they fight Thanos when he was armed with his SWORD?

You're supposed to be sharp, my guy. I'm tired of arguing with nonsense. Come at me with solid points so we can have a real debate.

^This is just more shitgames, ignoring feats when convenient and applying special rules. eg It matters if Hela got hit, but doesn't matter if Thanos did.

As for CM vs Thanos, his headbutt did zero to her and she was making him submit, he was forced to pull a sissy-move by using the Power Stone to knock her away to save himself. Watch the film again.

EditL Here. Starts at 02:10
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I know the incel in you has trouble with females beaten males. But it is what it is.

As for this match. Thanos (without glove) is the weakest link here going by Hela's shown power level and CM already putting a beating on Thanos while he had the IG.

Hela vs CM, I'd edge to Hela.

Bane

Originally posted by Robtard
^This is just more shitgames, ignoring feats when convenient and applying special rules. eg It matters if Hela got hit, but doesn't matter if Thanos did.
This suggests that you're claiming I argued Hela isn't untouchable while Thanos is. Right? Special rules? Well, let's revisit what I said about Thanos.



I don't see these supposed "special rules." Are you making things up?

Then you said:


1. Captain Marvel fighting Thanos unarmed doesn't correlate with Thanos fighting Hela armed with a sword. Your argument isn't connecting.

2. Captain Marvel wasn't able to hurt or even faze Thanos with her strikes. He flung her away like a ragdoll. Captain Marvel is far more durable with her shield aura than she is physically strong. From that scene, it's reasonable to conclude that she could strike Thanos a thousand times without causing any significant damage.

I'm not letting this slide. Here's what you said:


My post (you ignored) below that reveals either a false implication or an outright misrepresentation.

Originally posted by h1a8
Your argument hinges on her doing a single flip off some stairs BEFORE engaging the entire army, and you're using that to claim she PARKOUR fought the entire army. Do you realize how absurd that sounds?

She didn't flip or jump around for the rest of the battle. Instead, she relied on throwing weapons for 99% of the fight, while tanking and healing from what should have been critical hits.

Flipping alone isn't proof of her ability to counter or defend against sword attacks. Thanos can swing his sword far faster than she can flip. If she attempted a mid-battle flip against him, he'd cut her in half.


How does a single flip before engaging the army equate to "parkour fighting the entire army"? And how does that flip demonstrate her ability to defend against sword attacks?

Originally posted by Robtard
As for this match. Thanos (without glove) is the weakest link here going by Hela's shown power level and CM already putting a beating on Thanos while he had the IG.

Hela vs CM, I'd edge to Hela.
Captain Marvel is the most durable of the three and it's likely that neither Thanos nor Hela have a reliable means to injure her. However, she's the weakest offensively and lacks the ability to harm either of them unless she somehow acquires Thanos' sword.

The battle between Thanos and Hela is a 50/50 scenario, as Thanos could potentially sever a limb or decapitate Hela, while Hela might cut him down before he gets the chance.

I think we're all in agreement that Hela wins this and Thanos takes last place.

Originally posted by FrothByte
I think we're all in agreement that Hela wins this and Thanos takes last place.

Yep. Let's move on.

Originally posted by FrothByte
I think we're all in agreement that Hela wins this and Thanos takes last place.

I'm not in agreement.

1. Neither Thanos nor Hela can harm Captain Marvel.
2. Captain Marvel can't harm Thanos or Hela without using their own weapons.
3. Thanos has a 50/50 chance of defeating Hela through decapitation in a one-on-one scenario.

For this fight, I'd argue that Captain Marvel wins by using Thanos' sword against Hela after turning Hela's own weapons against Thanos, or after Thanos falls to Hela - whichever happens first.

Originally posted by FrothByte
I think we're all in agreement that Hela wins this and Thanos takes last place. Originally posted by tkitna
Yep. Let's move on.

Bingo

Personal bias beliefs doesn't mean anything. This is a debate forum. I won the debate, plain and simple.

Originally posted by h1a8
Personal bias beliefs doesn't mean anything. This is a debate forum.

Right on.

Now go and preach that to a mirror.

Originally posted by h1a8
Personal bias beliefs doesn't mean anything. This is a debate forum. I won the debate, plain and simple.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Right on.

Now go and preach that to a mirror.

it helps with him ignored

Originally posted by h1a8
Personal bias beliefs doesn't mean anything. This is a debate forum. I won the debate, plain and simple.

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Lol. Nobody else agreed with him, but he won the debate plain and simple,,,,in his sad world.

Originally posted by FrothByte
I think we're all in agreement that Hela wins this and Thanos takes last place.

Yep.

Originally posted by tkitna
Lol. Nobody else agreed with him, but he won the debate plain and simple,,,,in his sad world.

You have to question how good your argument really is when you fail to convince even one other person.

You can't convince someone with an argument that has already been rebutted. My argument remains unchallenged, while the others have been refuted. So, by default, I've won. I'm content with that and don't see the need for further discussion. I only commented because others did.

Originally posted by Darth Thor

You have to question how good your argument really is when you fail to convince even one other person.

Happens all the time with him.

Originally posted by FrothByte
I think we're all in agreement that Hela wins this and Thanos takes last place.
Hela does win it but CM takes last place.

Originally posted by 9jaboy
Hela does win it but CM takes last place.


In my opinion, Captain Marvel has the best chance of winning. With her force field activated, she's invulnerable to their attacks and can even use their own weapons against them.

As for Thanos and Hela, I see it as a 50/50 split. Thanos has a 50% chance of decapitating Hela or cutting off a limb, while Hela has a 50% chance of killing Thanos before he can do that.

Originally posted by h1a8
In my opinion, Captain Marvel has the best chance of winning. With her force field activated, she's invulnerable to their attacks and can even use their own weapons against them.

As for Thanos and Hela, I see it as a 50/50 split. Thanos has a 50% chance of decapitating Hela or cutting off a limb, while Hela has a 50% chance of killing Thanos before he can do that.
Winning what? She can't really hurt them. Her Force field isn't there all the time. She's going to get impaled or just overpowered. Both Hela and Thanos are stronger than her.

Hela has distance advantage, Thanos doesn't have the speed or super speed to close the gap. She has a better healing factor and is stronger.

Originally posted by 9jaboy
Winning what? She can't really hurt them. Her Force field isn't there all the time. She's going to get impaled or just overpowered. Both Hela and Thanos are stronger than her.

Hela has distance advantage, Thanos doesn't have the speed or super speed to close the gap. She has a better healing factor and is stronger. I provided a legitimate way for her to win, but it seems you didn't read it since you're not addressing it. In a forum fight, Carol will always have her force field active. She's also slightly stronger than Thanos.

Originally posted by 9jaboy
Winning what? She can't really hurt them. Her Force field isn't there all the time. She's going to get impaled or just overpowered. Both Hela and Thanos are stronger than her.

Hela has distance advantage, Thanos doesn't have the speed or super speed to close the gap. She has a better healing factor and is stronger.

Not sure which Avengers Endgame you watched, but Thanos isn't stronger than Captain Marvel. She tanked Thanos' headbutt with zero issue, she then overpowered and brought Thanos to his knees while he was in control of a complete Infinity Gauntlet. Thanois had to use the power stone to save himself from Carol raping him.

Originally posted by h1a8
I provided a legitimate way for her to win, but it seems you didn't read it since you're not addressing it. In a forum fight, Carol will always have her force field active. She's also slightly stronger than Thanos.

Does she have the propensity to disarm her opponent and use it against them, let alone with cutting weapons?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Does she have the propensity to disarm her opponent and use it against them, let alone with cutting weapons?
I never implied she would disarm either of them; Hela's weapons would still be accessible after she throws them.

Originally posted by Robtard
Not sure which Avengers Endgame you watched, but Thanos isn't stronger than Captain Marvel. She tanked Thanos' headbutt with zero issue, she then overpowered and brought Thanos to his knees while he was in control of a complete Infinity Gauntlet. Thanois had to use the power stone to save himself from Carol raping him.
Correct, but she can't harm him either; she needs either Hela's weapons or his.

Originally posted by h1a8
I never implied she would disarm either of them; Hela's weapons would still be accessible after she throws them.

Originally posted by h1a8

For this fight, I'd argue that Captain Marvel wins by using Thanos' sword against Hela after turning Hela's own weapons against Thanos, or after Thanos falls to Hela - whichever happens first.

I think you misunderstood my point, which was that I have never seen Cap pick up the weapons of her enemies and use them, let alone effectively.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I think you misunderstood my point, which was that I have never seen Cap pick up the weapons of her enemies and use them, let alone effectively. All combatant characters will eventually pick up weapons after an indefinite period without dealing any damage. It's not a matter of if, but when.

Originally posted by h1a8
All combatant characters will eventually pick up weapons after an indefinite period without dealing any damage. It's not a matter of if, but when.

Cap has never shown the propensity to do so.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Cap has never shown the propensity to do so.

Correct, but that isn't necessary here since CM can't damage either character. Eventually, she would resort to using the available weapons. After all, it's unreasonable to think that someone of average intelligence would keep punching, kicking, ramming, and blasting thousands or millions of times without inflicting any damage, without eventually opting for one of the many accessible weapons around. If Hela or Thanos had the means to inflict damage to CM, it's reasonable to assume she wouldn't opt for a weapon before she falls.

Some might argue, however, that she could potentially win a battle of attrition against Thanos, making a weapon unnecessary in that case.

Originally posted by h1a8
Correct, but she can't harm him either; she needs either Hela's weapons or his.

Wrong. CM has the greater physical strength to harm Thanos, as she literally drove him to his knees and was physically harming him, you see the pain on his face. Until he pulled the power stone to stop her from wreaking him further.

You really need to pay attention to the films/scenes you're arguing over.

Originally posted by Robtard
Wrong. CM has the greater physical strength to harm Thanos, as she literally drove him to his knees and was physically harming him, you see the pain on his face. Until he pulled the power stone to stop her from wreaking him further.

You really need to pay attention to the films/scenes you're arguing over. But she couldn't harm him with punches or blasts, and she isn't going to knock him out any other way. He overpowered her and tossed her aside like a rag doll. Whether Thanos felt any pain is unclear, as the display of pain and significant strain or effort can look similar.

Originally posted by h1a8
He overpowered her and tossed her aside like a rag doll.

Why did that happen?

Originally posted by tkitna
Why did that happen? Either Fiction inconsistency or he is stronger.

Originally posted by h1a8
Either Fiction inconsistency or he is stronger.

No mention of the power gem. Perfect.

Originally posted by h1a8
Correct, but that isn't necessary here since CM can't damage either character. Eventually, she would resort to using the available weapons. After all, it's unreasonable to think that someone of average intelligence would keep punching, kicking, ramming, and blasting thousands or millions of times without inflicting any damage, without eventually opting for one of the many accessible weapons around. If Hela or Thanos had the means to inflict damage to CM, it's reasonable to assume she wouldn't opt for a weapon before she falls.

Some might argue, however, that she could potentially win a battle of attrition against Thanos, making a weapon unnecessary in that case.

We can't attribute any special skills or abilities to her. Without any proof, there's zero indication she has the propensity to do so, let alone effectively.

Originally posted by tkitna
No mention of the power gem. Perfect.

I don't think he actually watches the films.

H1: ah but you see, when I said 'stronger', I very cleverly didn't *ahem* mention how he was stronger, see you fell into my *ahem* very clever trap, I truly am supremely clever!

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
We can't attribute any special skills or abilities to her. Without any proof, there's zero indication she has the propensity to do so, let alone effectively.

Her intelligence suggests she has the propensity. Over time, with weapons readily available and no significant damage inflicted, she will eventually pick them up and use them. It doesn't take any special skill or ability to recognize this.

Right now, you're not debating in good faith; it feels more like a contest to win while disregarding common sense.

Proof is definitely needed to show she would pick up the weapons immediately or shortly after the fight begins.

We can agree to disagree if you still want to argue this propensity over an extended period without progress. I won't spend too long debating matters of common sense.

Originally posted by Robtard
I don't think he actually watches the films.

Originally posted by tkitna
No mention of the power gem. Perfect.

The Power Gem hasn't been shown to make its possessor physically stronger in the MCU. Unless you're mistakenly referring to when Thanos blasted her away with the Power Stone, I'm talking about when he grabbed her arm and swung her aside like a rag doll.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
H1: ah but you see, when I said 'stronger', I very cleverly didn't *ahem* mention how he was stronger, see you fell into my *ahem* very clever trap, I truly am supremely clever!
Physically stronger

Originally posted by Robtard
I don't think he actually watches the films.

Originally posted by tkitna
No mention of the power gem. Perfect.

The Power Gem hasn't been shown to make its possessor physically stronger in the MCU. Unless you're mistakenly referring to when Thanos blasted her away with the Power Stone, I'm talking about when he grabbed her arm and swung her aside like a rag doll.

Originally posted by h1a8
Physically stronger





The Power Gem hasn't been shown to make its possessor physically stronger in the MCU. Unless you're mistakenly referring to when Thanos blasted her away with the Power Stone, I'm talking about when he grabbed her arm and swung her aside like a rag doll.

It has, actually. The Power Stone is the only reason Ronan survived getting shot by the Hadron Enforcer and having the Dark Aster crash on his head. Both times he was just fine. And without it he is simply a Kree like Dar-Bin or Yon-Rogg. Unless you think all Kree are capable of tanking moon destroying weapons or massive spaceships exploding on top of them.

Originally posted by h1a8
I provided a legitimate way for her to win, but it seems you didn't read it since you're not addressing it. In a forum fight, Carol will always have her force field active. She's also slightly stronger than Thanos.
Did she have it when Thanos flinged her away? If it was Thanos can yank her off her feet and smash hulk style
Legitimate? Sure as hell isn't by her own power because that is so weak it's funny.

Originally posted by Robtard
Not sure which Avengers Endgame you watched, but Thanos isn't stronger than Captain Marvel. She tanked Thanos' headbutt with zero issue, she then overpowered and brought Thanos to his knees while he was in control of a complete Infinity Gauntlet. Thanois had to use the power stone to save himself from Carol raping him. After Thanos fought like how many guys, Thor , Cap w/ mjolnir, Ironman, getting crushed by Scarlett witch to the point he had to cry for help? Replace him with CM and she dies horribly.

Overpowered my behind. Coupled that Thanos was distracted by her taking the headbutt.

The real contest of strength was in the beginning of endgame where a "dying" Thanos was literally overpowering her. You should watch it.

Originally posted by KingD19
It has, actually. The Power Stone is the only reason Ronan survived getting shot by the Hadron Enforcer and having the Dark Aster crash on his head. Both times he was just fine. And without it he is simply a Kree like Dar-Bin or Yon-Rogg. Unless you think all Kree are capable of tanking moon destroying weapons or massive spaceships exploding on top of them. I disagree. There's no indication that the power stone physically enhanced Ronan or Thanos, strength or Durability.

Originally posted by 9jaboy
After Thanos fought like how many guys, Thor , Cap w/ mjolnir, Ironman, getting crushed by Scarlett witch to the point he had to cry for help? Replace him with CM and she dies horribly.

Overpowered my behind. Coupled that Thanos was distracted by her taking the headbutt.

The real contest of strength was in the beginning of endgame where a "dying" Thanos was literally overpowering her. You should watch it. Unfortunately, there are scenes that depict each of them appearing stronger than the other, making them peers in terms of physical strength. Both also have durability that exceeds their strength, as neither can harm the other significantly with strikes or energy blasts.

Captain Marvel is at her most powerful in her binary form, with her full force field and energy aura. Without her active force field, her durability is significantly reduced, as shown by the alternate version of her in Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness.

Originally posted by 9jaboy
I disagree. There's no indication that the power stone physically enhanced Ronan or Thanos, strength or Durability.
So your take is that Ronan unamped by the Stone could have tanked the Hadron Enforcer(which is directly stated as powerful enough to blow up a moon) and the Dark Aster crashing, then exploding directly on his head with no problems like he did? Despite him not being anything more than an Accuser, which is a position within the Kree and not a special power or anything. And us having seen other Kree, including other Accusers with nowhere near his level of power?

Since you conceded on her propensity to use Thanos ' and Hell's weaponry effectively....

Since her force field needs to be active, surely you should be using her at her average levels instead of her highest levels?

Originally posted by KingD19
So your take is that Ronan unamped by the Stone could have tanked the Hadron Enforcer(which is directly stated as powerful enough to blow up a moon) and the Dark Aster crashing, then exploding directly on his head with no problems like he did? Despite him not being anything more than an Accuser, which is a position within the Kree and not a special power or anything. And us having seen other Kree, including other Accusers with nowhere near his level of power? Yes, the Power Stone had nothing to do with it. In fiction, it's common to have characters within a race who are vastly physically superior to the rest of their kind.

And why can't Ronan be physically superior by some other means (tech, etc)? Why must you assume the power stone?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Since you conceded on her propensity to use Thanos ' and Hell's weaponry effectively....

Since her force field needs to be active, surely you should be using her at her average levels instead of her highest levels?

I didn't concede to the effective use of weapons.

I don't recall her force field operating at different levels. Can you provide examples? If it has, then it should be at its highest level since she's a combatant here.

Originally posted by h1a8
Yes, the Power Stone had nothing to do with it. In fiction, it's common to have characters within a race who are vastly physically superior to the rest of their kind.

And why can't Ronan be physically superior by some other means (tech, etc)? Why must you assume the power stone?

Show me where it's stated or proven anywhere that Ronan is as powerful as he is for some reason other than POSESSING THE POWER STONE. Because it's bs and you know it if you just claim "Ronan can tank a moon buster because he's the best Kree ever and Kree are capable of taking that level of damage."

You can't just assume "Oh, he is randomly and undeniably far beyond even the pinnacle of his race with no explanation whatsoever." Especially when we've seen every other Kree including named Kree like Korath, Yon-Rogg, and Dar-Benn have above human abilities, but fall well below Ronan in every category in direct comparison until like in Dar-Benn's case, she gets some equipment to boost her stats. It's almost like she was just a normal Kree until she got the Quantum Bands, an object of immense power. Sorta like Ronan has the Power Stone, an object of immense power.

Originally posted by h1a8
I didn't concede to the effective use of weapons.

I don't recall her force field operating at different levels. Can you provide examples? If it has, then it should be at its highest level since she's a combatant here.

Well you were the one who said it was active, i.e it needed to be activated.

Originally posted by h1a8
Yes, the Power Stone had nothing to do with it. In fiction, it's common to have characters within a race who are vastly physically superior to the rest of their kind.

And why can't Ronan be physically superior by some other means (tech, etc)? Why must you assume the power stone?

We cannot give special attributes to characters without proof. As you say:
Originally posted by h1a8
Special attributes must be proven or they don't exist.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Well you were the one who said it was active, i.e it needed to be activated.



We cannot give special attributes to characters without proof. As you say:

It's almost like h1 twists the rules he invents to suit his own purposes.

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Originally posted by riv6672
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Originally posted by KingD19
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Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Well you were the one who said it was active, i.e it needed to be activated.



We cannot give special attributes to characters without proof. As you say:
Yes it needs to be activated.
Ronan has the feats for his special attributes.

Originally posted by KingD19
Show me where it's stated or proven anywhere that Ronan is as powerful as he is for some reason other than POSESSING THE POWER STONE. Because it's bs and you know it if you just claim "Ronan can tank a moon buster because he's the best Kree ever and Kree are capable of taking that level of damage."

You can't just assume "Oh, he is randomly and undeniably far beyond even the pinnacle of his race with no explanation whatsoever." Especially when we've seen every other Kree including named Kree like Korath, Yon-Rogg, and Dar-Benn have above human abilities, but fall well below Ronan in every category in direct comparison until like in Dar-Benn's case, she gets some equipment to boost her stats. It's almost like she was just a normal Kree until she got the Quantum Bands, an object of immense power. Sorta like Ronan has the Power Stone, an object of immense power.
In fiction, there are humans who are far beyond average, like Kingpin or Saitama. There is no direct evidence that the Power Stone enhances physical stats. Your reasoning is purely speculative.

Originally posted by h1a8
Yes it needs to be activated.
Ronan has the feats for his special attributes.

Fictional inconsistencies.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Fictional inconsistencies.
Maybe, but that doesn't matter. It still doesn't prove the claim that the Power Stone amplified him. In fact, it actually suggests that it didn't.