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Let's give Heman all of his fts without any outside amps minus his sword.

I know I give Hercules grief, but he's gone up against a lot of CL100 bricks in Marvel and more than held his own. I think he's done better vs Hulk than any other brick.

Going with Hercules, especially if He-Man doesn't have his sword.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ5LpwO-An4

The lack of a hyphen is seriously confusing. It's like having a glimpse into Carver's mindset.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
The lack of a hyphen is seriously confusing. It's like having a glimpse into Carver's mindset.



Agreed...

Herc schools him, but He-Man is every bit as strong, or stronger than Hercules.

He-Man

Originally posted by zopzop
I know I give Hercules grief, but Do you though? mmm

He-Man is probably stronger. Hercules is more skilled. Herc punishes him after a bit.

The most powerful man in the universe has this.

Ah this mythical skill feats from Hercules which allows him to never beat anyone stronger than him, ever.

out of curiosity, outside of hulk who is stronger than hercules and has beaten him in a 1v1 scenario?

ftr i see this as about a split.

Originally posted by leonidas
out of curiosity, outside of hulk who is stronger than hercules and has beaten him in a 1v1 scenario?

Wouldn't the converse be even worse i.e. the beings who have beaten Hercules in 1v1 were weaker than him?

Originally posted by leonidas
out of curiosity, outside of hulk who is stronger than hercules and has beaten him in a 1v1 scenario?
Really? Have you read an Avengers book featuring Hercules? He gets beat up all the time. Heck Lunatik beat him up.

Leo feels very zopzop about Herc's body.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Wouldn't the converse be even worse i.e. the beings who have beaten Hercules in 1v1 were weaker than him?

like who?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Really? Have you read an Avengers book featuring Hercules? He gets beat up all the time. Heck Lunatik beat him up.

lunatik? that wasn't one on one and beat up is an overstatement lol at least if you're talking the mini. in general his showings in the avengers were pretty good and he didn't fight one on one all that often. ninja effect was in full effect often though. not even saying you're wrong but yeah, an example?

Originally posted by leonidas
lunatik? that wasn't one on one and beat up is an overstatement lol at least if you're talking the mini. in general his showings in the avengers were pretty good and he didn't fight one on one all that often. ninja effect was in full effect often though. not even saying you're wrong but yeah, an example?
Dude was beaten up by random kree sentries, Sersi pretty much oneshotted him. He couldn't even beat Iron man despite being angry and both were koed by Avengers mansions electricity.

How about you show us him beating pretty much anyone worth shit by his so called mythical skills?

Originally posted by leonidas
like who?

No I meant that I am operating from an initial position that throughout his entire history, Hercules has lost a 1v1 (assumption; I could be wrong).

Your post implied that apart from the Hulk, he has never lost to someone stronger.

Which implies in turn, that the losses he has suffered are all....to weaker opposition.

Or he's never lost a 1v1, idk

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
No I meant that I am operating from an initial position that throughout his entire history, Hercules has lost a 1v1 (assumption; I could be wrong).

Your post implied that apart from the Hulk, he has never lost to someone stronger.

Which implies in turn, that the losses he has suffered are all....to weaker opposition.

Or he's never lost a 1v1, idk
KMC Hercules has never lost a fight.

When has Hercules ever lost to Hulk (aside from the time he was holding back during WWH)?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Dude was beaten up by random kree sentries, Sersi pretty much oneshotted him. He couldn't even beat Iron man despite being angry and both were koed by Avengers mansions electricity.

How about you show us him beating pretty much anyone worth shit by his so called mythical skills?

lol way to move goalposts. ko'd by electricty? the hell does that have to do with his skill?

and if you read carefully you'll see i never mentioned his skill level. his best displayed skills came when he was powerless or mortal and NEEDED to use them. generally immortal herc doesn't bother much. his mortal battle his hulk was one of my faves.

the sentries--you mean the ones who had the universal weapon and were still barely able to ko him after standing in disbelief at how much he was able to withstand? obviously he's not cap. he's a classic wrestler when he wants to be. he's never really beaten anyone through displays of skill but that doesn't preclude him being skilled

my initial question goes unanswered.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
No I meant that I am operating from an initial position that throughout his entire history, Hercules has lost a 1v1 (assumption; I could be wrong).

Your post implied that apart from the Hulk, he has never lost to someone stronger.

Which implies in turn, that the losses he has suffered are all....to weaker opposition.

Or he's never lost a 1v1, idk

he has lost but i honestly can't recall who. thor for sure. but pure brick in a slugfest? it's exceedingly rare.

and zop--outside that wwh scene hulk has never scored a straight up ko win over herc. the levels he's at are all over and the more recent version would beat herc i'd assume though.

Wonder why people are not comparing fts from both? I see a lot of talk about Hercules but what has Heman done that gives him an edge here?

He went toe to toe with Pre Crisis Superman.

Originally posted by leonidas
lol way to move goalposts. ko'd by electricty? the hell does that have to do with his skill?

and if you read carefully you'll see i never mentioned his skill level. his best displayed skills came when he was powerless or mortal and NEEDED to use them. generally immortal herc doesn't bother much. his mortal battle his hulk was one of my faves.

the sentries--you mean the ones who had the universal weapon and were still barely able to ko him after standing in disbelief at how much he was able to withstand? obviously he's not cap. he's a classic wrestler when he wants to be. he's never really beaten anyone through displays of skill but that doesn't preclude him being skilled

my initial question goes unanswered.
Oh no, the universal weapon!!! Surely that must be very impressive!!!!

As usual you skipped right ahead of the Sersi beat down but sure lol

Originally posted by leonidas
he has lost but i honestly can't recall who. thor for sure. but pure brick in a slugfest? it's exceedingly rare.

and zop--outside that wwh scene hulk has never scored a straight up ko win over herc. the levels he's at are all over and the more recent version would beat herc i'd assume though.
That premium brick known as Sersi did this exceedingly rare feat.

https://i.ibb.co/b6khNM3/AJFCJa-X-v-Mbs-Os-Eu-NU6-Jua-YGe-Trc-D0-wf-K7-Jsb-vj-JAPBYq6js-YKIi2c-Leul-VGIs8kz3-Q4-Uq-QLf6l-C9f.jpg https://i.ibb.co/W0Dr10F/AJFCJa-W597-Ta-Mol1k1-Qs-CTvk-NKb-Lp-Gz-H-9-JMH3-HDC5co-5c-Gnab81-Ve-DS0-L73obrg-Xo-Qkw5-Mih-IZ8-Ou.jpg https://i.ibb.co/vD4S2YM/AJFCJa-W5b-XUFp-OD2-K54phxts0-QXhe6xqj-Im-CORWwybu-X5t-HEnb-t-Iu1-OQi7-Hc6-Cev8aw-KXYtbp-Hvc-KJ9-Xi.jpg https://i.ibb.co/cyW3BHv/AJFCJa-Xq-BPZOj-I5-Ssx-Npfe-E8z6i-ANsa7-Lj-SPA-olz3biaf-Zznut-Yib-Lg-P2s-Edp-Kb-WCOQP-s-Zp-PUziqi-NO.jpg

you really are something i didn't forget about it, i assumed it wasn't worth discussing.

she flew him up (he can't fly you know that right...?) and slammed him down. he wasn't ko'd. he was awake under water. that was insane sersi who was insanely powerful in that arc AND herc didn't really wanna fight her.

oh and sersi would beat herc 10/10 but she would never fight him for long in straight h2h. so...yeah? not sure how he's supposed to 'outskill' her when she's flying and using matter manip against the entire avengers team. keep demonstrating how ineffective he is in 1v1 situations against people physically stronger than he is though.

Originally posted by leonidas
that was insane sersi who was insanely powerful in that arc AND herc didn't really wanna fight her.

Yeah, she was crazy powerful in that arc. During that time in her Avengers career, she even went up against Exodus and stalemated.

Originally posted by leonidas
you really are something i didn't forget about it, i assumed it wasn't worth discussing.

she flew him up (he can't fly you know that right...?) and slammed him down. he wasn't ko'd.
He disappeared for the rest of the issue and was only swept inside the sea in issue 374 alongside the other Avengers.

He was about to die in the water until Thena saved him. There's no indication Sersi was stronger than usual in that arc.

She just punched him and threw him down lol. So much mental gymnastics.

Originally posted by zopzop
Yeah, she was crazy powerful in that arc. During that time in her Avengers career, she even went up against Exodus and stalemated.
So did War Machine against Exodus. There's no indication she was stronger than usual.

For this thread, it should be 50/50 for both sides imo
I really can't think a feat for either character to vastly excess another

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
I personally don't think it can be said it's a great He-Man feat. He-Man trades some punches and then immediately gets bested by Superman in around one page



Yeah, DC Comics Presents #47.

Even Diesnude would have lasted longer...

Since we are talking about Hercules, here's the minotaur oneshotting his ass.

https://i.ibb.co/rf9Jfg3/RCO008.jpg

Wolverine tanks a head on collision and a full punch without much issue.

https://i.ibb.co/fH178pY/RCO010.jpg https://i.ibb.co/ZBpz35N/RCO011.jpg

dur

Current He Man only has a few battles to his credit that show his strength. His recent run in with Lobo and Solomon Grundy gave a glimpse of what he could do albeit he fought shells of the originals. He Man is about as strong as any top tier herald. He fell short of defeating Darkseid which would be seen as an avatar ranging anywhere from high Herald to high Trans.

Hercules has more skill than Prince Adam no matter which way you want to look at it. We can't fairly go by his worst showings in order to give his competition a skewed advantage. His best combat showings are of him against Thor. Hercules won his last sparring session with Thor.

Prince Adam isn't as skillful.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Ah this mythical skill feats from Hercules which allows him to never beat anyone stronger than him, ever.

you have spent the whole time lowballing herc (like people don't know he has poor showings?? lolol) which is your style of course and a surprise to exactly no one but you have failed entirely--also a surprise to exactly no one to come remotely close to proving your own initial point. well done.

who are all these people STRONGER than he is who he has failed to beat? pretty simple question i thought.

herc has destroyed the minotaur so your double-team back attack image is really just petulant (say it with me--also a surprise to no one lolol) and an example of what you do when you know you're wrong--namely move goalposts, change the discussion then just babble unrelated nonsense hoping everyone forgets how wrong you were in the first place. so well done being yourself, though not something anyone should be congratulated for....

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
I mean, just going by the description here, it did sound like he was koed.



you're taking abhi's description at his word? yeah probably best to read it. he leaves out context like, all the time...but yeah that's up to you.

Originally posted by leonidas


you're taking abhi's description at his word? yeah probably best to read it. he leaves out context like, all the time...but yeah that's up to you.
Yeah, I did read the scene. So I feel maybe your post didn't counter what Abhi said or posted here.
As in, we never saw Hercules after Sersi slammed him in Avengers 373, which is like 5-6 pages, in the same location, in the same fight(also Sersi told Crystal she would be the last one standing seems to imply all the others were down at this poiint)
https://ibb.co/LxKrvtT
https://ibb.co/7S276BW
https://ibb.co/zHLfCbP
https://ibb.co/c1vsP5R
https://ibb.co/n68K91v

We only saw Hercules in the next issue, which you argued because in the under water he was awake, so he wasn't koed. But it could be Hercules was awakened by the water which swallowed them.
https://ibb.co/vD4S2YM
https://ibb.co/cyW3BHv

Although, I think it essentially comes down to how will you view a character who is attacked and then we never see him again for a long time until the fight is over. Will you consider this character is koed?

no not necessarily. action shifts to something else. could be digging out. no way to know but abhi will say he knows because it fits his narrative.

unrelated but with all the low balling I could show him doing something even hulk never did--one shot koing abomination. or at least it fits abhi's definition of a ko. not here to bandy feats. simply wanted abhi to prove his point. obviously he can't (as he proceeds to look to low ball abomination :lol so this thread has run it's course.

Originally posted by leonidas
no not necessarily. action shifts to something else. could be digging out. no way to know but abhi will say he knows because it fits his narrative.


Fair enough. Just want to know how you view about "we never see a character again in a fight" type of scenario.

Originally posted by leonidas
you have spent the whole time lowballing herc (like people don't know he has poor showings?? lolol) which is your style of course and a surprise to exactly no one but you have failed entirely--also a surprise to exactly no one to come remotely close to proving your own initial point. well done.



You're the one who asked for the fights which he lost in one one one fights and now crying about it?

This isn't what you asked for. You asked for this.

Originally posted by leonidas
out of curiosity, outside of hulk who is stronger than hercules and has beaten him in a 1v1 scenario?

You went from asking for people who beat Hercules to cry about lowballing.

Hercules in my knowledge has never beaten anyone shown stronger than him. He has literally never done it before.
When did he destroy minotaur?

You literally changed the question you asked yourself and accusing me of changing the goalposts?

Originally posted by leonidas
no not necessarily. action shifts to something else. could be digging out. no way to know but abhi will say he knows because it fits his narrative.

unrelated but with all the low balling I could show him doing something even hulk never did--one shot koing abomination. or at least it fits abhi's definition of a ko. not here to bandy feats. simply wanted abhi to prove his point. obviously he can't (as he proceeds to look to low ball abomination :lol so this thread has run it's course.

Hercules never oneshotted Abomination, he sucker attacked him and then a building fell down on him.

https://i.ibb.co/dpMHwXy/tumblr-n6i8aeehdi1rvm5qqo1-1280.jpg https://i.ibb.co/N2yyhP3/tumblr-n6i8aeehdi1rvm5qqo2-1280.jpg https://i.ibb.co/M6KMYwZ/tumblr-n6i8aeehdi1rvm5qqo3-1280.jpg

It's not the first time I have corrected you on this either.

At that time, wasn't Sersi amped off of her encounter with Thane Ector? That wasn't her normal power levels.

Originally posted by Stoic
At that time, wasn't Sersi amped off of her encounter with Thane Ector? That wasn't her normal power levels.
She was insane but not powered up AFAIK.