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Who wins?

Since you put zero thought or stipulations into these matches, I am going to say that this is a checkers match between Cap and Maul, Cap wins due to his superior knowledge of the game.

maul force chokes.

Maul wins with his light saber after using the Force to take the shield.

What he said.

How can Cap win this?

Cap throws his shield, Maul catches it and bonks him in the head with it. /fight

Cap can't counter the force.

Spite.

Bane

As if Darth Maul was so impressive in the Phantom Menace..

Animation feats dont count.

Strictly from Phantom Menace and Cap has a small shot, though it's not a good catchup for him.

Originally posted by Thinkerer
As if Darth Maul was so impressive in the Phantom Menace..

Animation feats dont count.
He fought and killed one of the best warriors in the Jedi Order the most skilled Padawans at the same time. Also he has the Force and no matter how hard Cap throws his shield, it wouldn't be hard to catch it mid-flight.

The Jedi only showed minor telekinesis, some persuasion telepathy and besides that just very skilled at fighting with a lil enhanced physical abilities.

Originally posted by Thinkerer
The Jedi only showed minor telekinesis, some persuasion telepathy and besides that just very skilled at fighting with a lil enhanced physical abilities.
So Cap gets all his MCU feats but you're limiting Maul to TPM even though his other cartoon appearances are all canon?

And even then, Cap can't defeat the Force and you know it. Maul will predict his moves and his shield is worthless once he throws it. He can only last ao long against a lightsaber.

Originally posted by Thinkerer
The Jedi only showed minor telekinesis, some persuasion telepathy and besides that just very skilled at fighting with a lil enhanced physical abilities.

A dying Yoda easily lifted an X-Wing. Sidious disabled an entire fleet with his lightning. Vader can choke niggas from across space.

Where's that evidence that maul, an apprentice, was fully trained as a sith?

I saw no force lighting or force choking by him, but maybe I missed something in movie cannon. Anyone care to explain without trying to sneak in EU or cartoons?

The Rule of Two means that even as an Apprentice of Sidious, he was still a fully fledged Sith Lord like Dooku and Vader.

And there's no need to "sneak in" cartoons, Clone Wars/Rebels/etc... is all considered canon. If anything it's actively nerfing Maul to not allow those feats.

Plus Phantom Menace Maul has 15 minutes of screentime, and he's not fighting every single second. Meanwhile Steve has about 4hrs of screentime across 10 movies.

Then why didn't Vader use force lighting? Let me guess: he actually did in some EU book from 1987? Or maybe he just didn't feel like using it because he thought it was cheap and tacky?

Maybe they all had their unique talents and weaknesses. Maybe it was beyond Vader's ability, while the Palpatine family just learns it accidentally.

*edit* Also, has it been confirmed that the movie vs forum respects Disney canon guidelines? I thought it was 'cinema only' in this place

Maul telekinetically pushed Obi Wan into the pit. He can do the same to Cap and his shield
At 0:56 Maul telekinetically sends a piece of debris into the buttons to open the slidinf doors. So yeah, he does use TK in battle

https://youtu.be/qo__6MZIg6U?si=1_uRYajgk1gCiP74

And at 0:53 he kicks Qui Gon down to the floor which keeps him there for some time

And 1:02 sends Obi Wan flying some distance with another kick

1:45 he falls from quite some height and is unharmed

There is also him casually jumping off a speeder

https://youtu.be/JMlUmUlu9M0?si=FjoypN_CX_eMeSzn

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
Then why didn't Vader use force lighting? Let me guess: he actually did in some EU book from 1987? Or maybe he just didn't feel like using it because he thought it was cheap and tacky?

Maybe they all had their unique talents and weaknesses. Maybe it was beyond Vader's ability, while the Palpatine family just learns it accidentally.

*edit* Also, has it been confirmed that the movie vs forum respects Disney canon guidelines? I thought it was 'cinema only' in this place

Vader used Force Lightning and almost shorted out his suit.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg

*edit* Also, has it been confirmed that the movie vs forum respects Disney canon guidelines? I thought it was 'cinema only' in this place

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
Then why didn't Vader use force lighting? Let me guess: he actually did in some EU book from 1987? Or maybe he just didn't feel like using it because he thought it was cheap and tacky?

Maybe they all had their unique talents and weaknesses. Maybe it was beyond Vader's ability, while the Palpatine family just learns it accidentally.

*edit* Also, has it been confirmed that the movie vs forum respects Disney canon guidelines? I thought it was 'cinema only' in this place

Vader's limbs are cybernetic, you goof. He can't channel lightning through them without killing himself.

😂

Originally posted by Psychotron
Vader's limbs are cybernetic, you goof. He can't channel lightning through them without killing himself.

Pretty much. Both legs and both arms are fully robotic, and he has an electronic breathing apparatus and other systems as well metal replacement parts and augmentations. He was almost more machine than man, which is why despite being just fine when he lifted Sidious over his head, the random Force Lightning killed him. He was just a cybernetic lightning rod inches from a storm.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Vader's limbs are cybernetic, you goof. He can't channel lightning through them without killing himself.

Vader was not a cyborg when he became a sith. It's obvious at this point that you're emotionally unstable and not debating in good faith.

Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
Maul telekinetically pushed Obi Wan into the pit. He can do the same to Cap and his shield
At 0:56 Maul telekinetically sends a piece of debris into the buttons to open the slidinf doors. So yeah, he does use TK in battle

https://youtu.be/qo__6MZIg6U?si=1_uRYajgk1gCiP74

And at 0:53 he kicks Qui Gon down to the floor which keeps him there for some time

And 1:02 sends Obi Wan flying some distance with another kick

1:45 he falls from quite some height and is unharmed

There is also him casually jumping off a speeder

https://youtu.be/JMlUmUlu9M0?si=FjoypN_CX_eMeSzn




Even TPM Maul wins this easily. Not that the OP has specified this is TPM Maul Only or anything.

on the inverse of my previous point, i've never seen a jedi who lacked TK and ESP. Quigon directly says that ESP is the reason for jedi reflexes, and the younglings in Ep2 obviously all have it as they're doing that blindfolded exercise with the practice droids. There's no canon evidence that TK is standard, but it sure seems to be. however talents like force choking and force lightning are shown by very few. in fact the only non-vader character i can recall doing the force choke is grogu. luke arguably did something similar to jabba's palace guards, but i dont want to bring that old bitter debate up again. those techniques would have been very useful to maul and might not have left him half-a-man. look how well it worked for dooku

Thank you for confirming

Only 3 film characters used force lighting:
-Palpatine
-Dooku
-Rey

Sith who did not use force lighting on film, and y'all need to accept it:
-Vader (in both uncooked and cooked versions)
-Kylo Ren. (Kylo could have ended that trilogy in the first act if he was able to use it)
-The forgettable Snoke
-Maul. He had TK, ESP, but he can't do the chokey choke or the zappy zap.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
Vader was not a cyborg when he became a sith. It's obvious at this point that you're emotionally unstable and not debating in good faith.

Vader hadn't learned any dark side powers when Obi-Wan crippled him. Goof.

Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
SO ANIMATED SERIES that are in the same universe as live action are not applicable? Does that count for live action series too?
TV is also valid for characters who have appeared in both:



Also to note that in TPM, Qui-Gonn and Obi displayed Force Speed, so it's not just ESP:

https://64.media.tumblr.com/4f462d5007d308788c7559122bf9165f/29d090219f98dd09-43/s540x810/3c77564cd0213c03a6199ea99f28ddbfc3e1f9b9.gif

Onscreen applies to movies and television, not books, comics, video games, etc.

So does that mean that, for a example, feats of CGI obiwan in the clone wars or rebels TV shows count as valid feats?

Originally posted by Impediment
Onscreen applies to movies and television, not books, comics, video games, etc.

so Clone Wars/Rebels/Bad Batch etc are all allowed in this forum.

Yes. Which I already assumed as Clone Wars/Rebels/Bad Batch are all direct continuations of the Prequel Trilogy and acknowledged by LucasFilm/Disney as canon to said Trilogy. There are multiple direct mentions or flashbacks to things that happened in the movies.

Whoa cowboy. Imp decides this, not you

The MVF allows on screen feats from movies as per the roots of this versus forum, and I later amended the rules to include tv shows/series.

Star Wars has numerous tv show spin-offs that are allowed as Golden Rule on screen feats.

I take back the part about "sneaking in cartoons" then

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
Whoa cowboy. Imp decides this, not you

Wasn't me deciding that, Hoss. I was confirming that Yes, those feats were allowed as stated by Imp in the previous post.

Yeah yeah, sparky. Good for you

@Imp, I think it was a mistake to canonize the SW holiday special...but you did exactly that. Just had to speak my peace on that

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
Yeah yeah, sparky. Good for you

@Imp, I think it was a mistake to canonize the SW holiday special...but you did exactly that. Just had to speak my peace on that
Don't get so tushy touched. It's okay to admit Maul wins.

Fool. The reason I raised the issue in this thread is because maul wins either way. I was CERTAIN I wouldn't cause babyish behavior.

Without force lighting or choking or speed he still hands Cap his own ass...'america's ass', even. Now be calm child and stop projecting your feefees

Cap gets dogwalked, what's he got against the Force or a Lightsaber

Originally posted by relentless1
Cap gets dogwalked, what's he got against the Force or a Lightsaber


I can see him getting along with Obi-Wan. And that's his only hope.

All maul needs is ESP. Anyone with ESP + h2h skills vs non-TK
has a very unfair advantage.

Maul's going to be superior, he's going to put Cap on the ropes, but his cockiness and sloppiness will make him end up losing the fight. Source: The Phantom Menace

#americawins

Originally posted by Robtard
Maul's going to be superior, he's going to put Cap on the ropes, but his cockiness and sloppiness will make him end up losing the fight. Source: The Phantom Menace

#americawins
He learned from his mistakes in Clone Wars and Rebels.

Originally posted by Robtard
Maul's going to be superior, he's going to put Cap on the ropes, but his cockiness and sloppiness will make him end up losing the fight. Source: The Phantom Menace

#americawins

Ah you performed the woodchipper maneuver. Was I the first here to assert that a character's proven stupidity is in itself an anti-feat?

I would back you up on this if it wasn't for ESP. That Cap vs Cap battle in the last avengers movie wouldn't have lasted 5 seconds if one of them had esp.

Originally posted by Robtard
#americawins

America hasn't won a war since WW2 and that was mostly the USSR.

Originally posted by KingD19
He learned from his mistakes in Clone Wars and Rebels.

By getting killed again by the same guy?

Sure, Jan.

https://i.makeagif.com/media/3-20-2017/XG_LUA.gif

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
By getting killed again by the same guy?

Sure, Jan.

https://i.makeagif.com/media/3-20-2017/XG_LUA.gif

We really gonna try and equate the guy he had an obsessed rage boner with for decades vs a guy he's never met and has no beef with? That's like me saying Cap would give Maul every chance to kill him and believe he wouldn't because that's what he did with Bucky.

^good point, but unnecessary.

indeed, maul died because he fought a better fighter and took the loss personally. that weakness can't be applied to every situation like a playable card

but maul wins anyway, even if he hypothetically had a rage boner for cap.

it's still esp vs non-esp. so unless cap attacked maul while he's taking a nap, it's not even a contest