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It depends on their relative speed. If Wonder Woman is at least as fast as Supergirl, then Wonder Woman wins. Supergirl only wins if she is significantly faster.

Originally posted by h1a8
It depends on their relative speed. If Wonder Woman is at least as fast as Supergirl, then Wonder Woman wins. Supergirl only wins if she is significantly faster.
Supergirl should easily be as fast as Zod who could keep up with Flash.

Peak Supergirl wins. Average one loses

What do you mean peak and average? Its not like she had so many different states in the movie. Yes she was weak when just released from her prison, but once she donned the Supergirl outfit, she was at max strength.

Originally posted by Thinkerer
What do you mean peak and average? Its not like she had so many different states in the movie. Yes she was weak when just released from her prison, but once she donned the Supergirl outfit, she was at max strength.

What I meant was, by the nature of CW, she was heavily inconsistent as every superpowered character. In one scene she easily lifts a whole building, in another she struggles to lift a helicopter. One scene, she's taking a brutal beating from a Kryptonian twice as strong as her and takes a lot of lumps before going down, in the other she gets three pieced by someone of equal strength as herself. That's what I said average or peak.

Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
What I meant was, by the nature of CW, she was heavily inconsistent as every superpowered character. In one scene she easily lifts a whole building, in another she struggles to lift a helicopter. One scene, she's taking a brutal beating from a Kryptonian twice as strong as her and takes a lot of lumps before going down, in the other she gets three pieced by someone of equal strength as herself. That's what I said average or peak.
This isn't CW Supergirl. It's the Supergirl from the Flash movie.

Originally posted by KingD19
This isn't CW Supergirl. It's the Supergirl from the Flash movie.

Oh my bad. I had suppressed my memories of th movie and unlike many I thought Sasha Calle did a horrible job.as Supergirl. Still the skill gap and experience gap is way too much for her to win.

Originally posted by h1a8
It depends on their relative speed. If Wonder Woman is at least as fast as Supergirl, then Wonder Woman wins. Supergirl only wins if she is significantly faster.

LoL, this guy. ^

DCEU kryptonians are "almost" as fast as the Flash and as we've seen significantly stronger than Wonder Woman, when the Justice League (including WW) got taken apart by a newly revived Clark.

SG > WW

Originally posted by Robtard
LoL, this guy. ^

DCEU kryptonians are "almost" as fast as the Flash and as we've seen significantly stronger than Wonder Woman, when the Justice League (including WW) got taken apart by a newly revived Clark.

SG > WW High-end feats aren't shared, only the average ones are.

Regardless, my original "if" statement still holds true. What's with the "lol, this guy"?

Even Kryptonian mooks are fast enough to hit Flash if he's not on his game. Supergirl is much faster than Diana.

But not fast enough to grapple with Batman at close range. We use averages. Literally nothing Kara or Zod did in that movie was that amazing. Not that Wonder Woman is very impressive either but it's like the word Kryptonian is a huge wank fest.

Faora is literally the only Kryptonian with any kind of fighting skills whatsoever. The rest are a joke.

WW wins, Kara runs out of steam in a matter of minutes and collapses like she did with Zod.

Nothing Zod did was amazing? I doubt you watched the movie.
Zod was unstoppable even with flash. You're clearly lowballing the Kryptonians.

So WW can replicate what Zod did to kara? Based on what?

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
But not fast enough to grapple with Batman at close range. We use averages. Literally nothing Kara or Zod did in that movie was that amazing. Not that Wonder Woman is very impressive either but it's like the word Kryptonian is a huge wank fest.

Faora is literally the only Kryptonian with any kind of fighting skills whatsoever. The rest are a joke.

WW wins, Kara runs out of steam in a matter of minutes and collapses like she did with Zod.

By that logic Wonder Woman doesn't have super speed at all.

We literally hear older Barry telling his younger self that the Kryptonians are 'almost as fast' as they are, or something to that extent, even the no-name fodder ones, arguing otherwise is retarded.

Originally posted by Robtard
We literally hear older Barry telling his younger self that the Kryptonians are 'almost as fast' as they are, or something to that extent, even the no-name fodder ones, arguing otherwise is retarded.


I don't think he said almost as fast. Just that they are fast so to be careful. This was after younger Barry got tagged by one.


Going by speed I'd say SG wins this.

I'll rewatch the scene later to confirm for sure.

It tracks though with Superman reacting to Barry and almost tagging him in JL.

You're correct, after young Barry gets tagged by no-name fighter while speeding he says "Jesus, they're they're fast" and older Barry says "yes, but not as fast as us". So I'm semi-retarded.

Also recalled, when the JL is trying to hold down Clark and Barry is speeding off to the side of him, they're all like statues (WW included) compared to Clark and Barry.

I just watched the movie like a week ago thank you very much. Compare they're fights vs MOS fights.

Originally posted by Robtard
We literally hear older Barry telling his younger self that the Kryptonians are 'almost as fast' as they are, or something to that extent, even the no-name fodder ones, arguing otherwise is retarded.

Fine, but high-end feats aren't shared (e.g., Supergirl doesn't scale to Clark's high-end feats). However, average feats can be shared.

While weakened, Wonder Woman managed to lasso a rifle bullet after it passed her and was already a few feet away from Steve. This demonstrates that she is several times faster than a rifle bullet even WHILE WEAKENED.

The Flashes typically operate at speeds around bullet velocity most of the time. Wonder Woman and Supergirl should be roughly comparable in speed, with Supergirl potentially being slightly faster.

It's easy to create a biased narrative by cherry-picking highs and lows and using questionable ABC scaling logic.

Clark's performance against Flash is somehow extrapolated to random Kryptonians versus Flashes (despite Flashes being shown to be significantly faster) and then further stretched to justify Supergirl's speed.

Trained warriors (especially males) are significantly faster than an untrained, random female. Supergirl's potential has no bearing on her actual performance in forum debates.

Yeah, great, you cherry-pick and mix&match whenever it suits you. Anyhow, SG's still faster, more durable and stronger because she's a kryptonian. She fared better against other kryptonians than WW and the rest of JL did against a single kryptonian, one that had been dead minutes ago and was semi-retarded because of it.

And it's not like SG will wipe the floor with WW, but she'd win. She also has a nicer body, as while WW is truly beautiful, she lacks in the ass department

I miss Quan Chi. He was a better troll.

Originally posted by Robtard
Yeah, great, you cherry-pick and mix&match whenever it suits you. Anyhow, SG's still faster, more durable and stronger because she's a kryptonian. She fared better against other kryptonians than WW and the rest of JL did against a single kryptonian, one that had been dead minutes ago and was semi-retarded because of it.

And it's not like SG will wipe the floor with WW, but she'd win. She also has a nicer body, as while WW is truly beautiful, she lacks in the ass department

I don't cherry-pick; I use high-end feats.
I don't scale characters based on other characters' high-end feats - I scale them based on average feats.

The other Kryptonians don't scale to Clark's best feats. You still fail to grasp that basic concept.

I'd even argue that Justice League Clark is massively faster than all those Kryptonians.

Good luck proving that. He was not faster than Faora or Zod.

It doesn't matter if Clark is faster than them or not. What matters is that Wonder Woman appeared frozen to Flash, whilst even mook Kryptonians could potentially tag the Flash's if they weren't careful.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
It doesn't matter if Clark is faster than them or not. What matters is that Wonder Woman appeared frozen to Flash, whilst even mook Kryptonians could potentially tag the Flash's if they weren't careful.

I noted that last page and it was ignored. If WW's superspeed was comparable, she would have been moving slowly and not frozen.

Originally posted by h1a8
I don't cherry-pick; I use high-end feats.
I don't scale characters based on other characters' high-end feats - I scale them based on average feats.

The other Kryptonians don't scale to Clark's best feats. You still fail to grasp that basic concept.

I'd even argue that Justice League Clark is massively faster than all those Kryptonians.
Sure you do.

I've never argued that Zod, SG, Faora etc are Clark's equal. He's been on Earth longer, so he's more powerful. But they're not all that far off from him as shown.

"Massively" he says. LoL. Considering no-name newly arrived on Earth Kryptoniansth were able to react to both Flashs, you'd be wrong again.

One could argue that 2024 Flash is faster than 2017 JL Flash though and more experienced, which only makes SG and the other Kryptonians seem more impressive by comparison.

Originally posted by Robtard
I noted that last page and it was ignored. If WW's superspeed was comparable, she would have been moving slowly and not frozen.


Yeah exactly.

h1a8 will continue doing his joke thing where he picks and chooses what feats he likes and what he doesn't and apply them as such.