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Who wins ?



The Hulk replaces Superman in the DCU and Lex Luthor is his main rival


Who wins ?

Lex gets one punched.

The measures Lex has in place for Superman should also be helpful against Hulk right?

What tools would stop the Hulk?

Originally posted by carver9
What tools would stop the Hulk?

Sending him across the universe/time.

How?

Originally posted by carver9
How?

https://i.postimg.cc/cJKdCZt6/RCO008-1.jpg

I thought Hulk has showings of preventing BFR?

Originally posted by carver9
I thought Hulk has showings of preventing BFR?

He also has showings of being teleported against his will, which are more recent. Thought we took the most recent showings?

I thought one showing counts? Hulk has shown the ability to avoid teleportation? Why doesn't it count?

Originally posted by carver9
I thought one showing counts? Hulk has shown the ability to avoid teleportation? Why doesn't it count?

Because later comics show otherwise, isn't that what you said? Older comics don't count?

Or do they? Let me know.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Because later comics show otherwise, isn't that what you said? Older comics don't count?

Or do they? Let me know.

I think our argument is clashing because you also asked me why one time showings do not count. Especially during our conversation about Orion assisting in destroying a solar system. Hulk being bfr'ed should be considered a low showing, right?

Originally posted by carver9
I think our argument is clashing because you also asked me why one time showings do not count. Especially during our conversation about Orion assisting in destroying a solar system. Hulk being bfr'ed should be considered a low showing, right?

It will be a low showing if he consistently shows resistance to being BFRd, you're right. Especially since Hulk has waay more showings than someone like say, Orion. If it is an ability he posseses, part of his powers, and they keep telling us about it, then yes, Hulk getting sent away is a low showing.

Otoh, when we have an entire storyline about him being BFRd (Planet Hulk) and he gets back through plot (a stone ship and a War bound etc) then something tells me he's not actually resistant to BFR.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It will be a low showing if he consistently shows resistance to being BFRd, you're right. Especially since Hulk has waay more showings than someone like say, Orion. If it is an ability he posseses, part of his powers, and they keep telling us about it, then yes, Hulk getting sent away is a low showing.

Otoh, when we have an entire storyline about him being BFRd (Planet Hulk) and he gets back through plot (a stone ship and a War bound etc) then something tells me he's not actually resistant to BFR.

What does Hulk having waaayyy more showings have to do with Orion not consistently showing that type of power? Orion has enough showings for us to know how powerful he is. Anyways, we have Voodoo, Rogue and Cable via TK trying to bfr Hulk and failing...

https://i.ibb.co/rRyGm5kQ/tumblr-oi6nkyz-U2-U1sq4537o1-1280.jpg
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That just means he's too heavy/strong for Cable to move him, not that he can't be BFRd. Try again.

Also:
Originally posted by carver9
My point of mentioning those fts was due to people trying to use statements as concrete evidence

This you?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
That just means he's too heavy/strong for Cable to move him, not that he can't be BFRd. Try again.

Also:


This you?


Whats statements am I using as fts? Also, Rogue can fly and at that time could lift over 100 tons. Cable is one of the most powerful telepaths/telekinesis on the planet. Both combined couldn't lift Hulk who weighs almost a ton. This is more than just strength.

Originally posted by Infinaut616
The measures Lex has in place for Superman should also be helpful against Hulk right?


I'm kind of going with the same logic but I guess I'm asking if that enough Vs the Green Monster

Remember if Lex has to call his friends for help even for teleporting Hulk elsewhere then Hulk has help from any of Supes friends as well.

In this

Originally posted by Supermex
I'm kind of going with the same logic but I guess I'm asking if that enough Vs the Green Monster

He's wrong, though. Hulk is operating on crazy levels lately. He's one punching gods, taking on Odin Force Thor while holding back. Fighting a Celestial along with Sky Father Thor and winning. Taking on Thanos with oneof the infinity gems thinking Hulk has the potential to beat Thanos. Fighting against Elder Gods. Beating The One Above All. Taking on the entire Avengers while over loading vibrainium with a punch. Two different tiers of beings here. If Lex even think about approaching Hulk, he loses this, immediately. His only chance is the argument Dark is trying to make. Outside of that, he's getting one punched. I also forgot to mention him taking on Jane Thor and Hercules at the same time tanking their attacks and beating them just by flexing.

Originally posted by carver9
Whats statements am I using as fts? Also, Rogue can fly and at that time could lift over 100 tons. Cable is one of the most powerful telepaths/telekinesis on the planet. Both combined couldn't lift Hulk who weighs almost a ton. This is more than just strength.

So nothing against quantum folding? Got ya.

Come back when you have Hulk resistant to it. Until then, Luthor sends him across the universe/time. Maybe he can call for help then.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
https://i.postimg.cc/cJKdCZt6/RCO008-1.jpg

What's the issue number for this and comic name?

The Reading Adventures of Carver #3

Make sure you read #1-2 first though, or you'll be completely lost

Stop cheerleading, Smurph. So Dark, you don't want to give the issue number?

I'm on my phone and it takes two clicks to search the picture and get an issue number.

Two clicks.

I'm not on a phone, though. So the clicks you're taking doesnt apply to the device I'm on.

I'm pretty sure it would take the same amount of clicks regardless of the machinery used, seeing as it would be using the same software (i.e. Chrome).....

Originally posted by carver9
I'm not on a phone, though. So the clicks you're taking doesnt apply to the device I'm on. What device are you on?

A sundial?

carver is more of a "no click" kind of guy.

Originally posted by Smurph


A sundial?

Yes!!!

Originally posted by Galan007
carver is more of a "no click" kind of guy.

Lol... galan gets it.

Originally posted by carver9
What does Hulk having waaayyy more showings have to do with Orion not consistently showing that type of power? Orion has enough showings for us to know how powerful he is. Anyways, we have Voodoo, Rogue and Cable via TK trying to bfr Hulk and failing...


Nice scan. Do you happen to have the page before and after it?

You'd need to tell carver the issue number of the scan he posted in order for him to do that.

you don't even need the before and after, he's literally stepping through a portal in Carver's scan

All this typing you all are doing, you could've answered my question.

So Lex has insta BFR powers now ?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Nice scan. Do you happen to have the page before and after it?
No?

Originally posted by Supermex
So Lex has insta BFR powers now ?

He's had it for years. This panel here is from 2002 - so nearly 25 years ago:

https://i.postimg.cc/nLr13qLF/teleport.png

Lex can use teleportation(across universal distances) as casually as Cecil uses it in Invincible.

Originally posted by Galan007


Lex can use teleportation(across universal distances) as casually as Cecil uses it in Invincible.

Never watched it

i must say, cecil's use of tactical teleportation is really impressive.

So when Lex insta teleports Superman how does Supes get back or even beat him in battle in comics or in here ?

Originally posted by Supermex
So when Lex insta teleports Superman how does Supes get back or even beat him in battle in comics or in here ?

Superman is far faster than the Hulk, and can fly. Teleporting him elsewhere doesn't make much sense. There's this famous scene in n52 where the Outsiders teleport themselves from Pluto, whilst cloaked, and he still just flies there:

https://imgur.com/a/flies-from-pluto-back-to-earth-few-o8MAT

But the Hulk? Easy.

Edit: just to add:

Superman resisting teleportation:
https://i.ibb.co/ZNqk125/k-MBSc-Ef9-LPccon-VR07x-An6-Rx7gc-Ex-TE46k-Va-Q-y-Rk8p-Njt4v1l-L3-VNCXaaz-V-g-I0o-Qha-G-Q54-Oax-GP0.jpg

And Luthor/Leviathan using teleportation to BFR Superman across the galaxy. Superman.....flies back:
https://i.ibb.co/3s34tk0/5qo-LT4-Ni6-Na-T-hx-Rg-PAd452agy-ELo1-MHQwn-v-Nw-A3ay-E38-Jo-DJFH2i-KE-g-TAk-RBw3-Ebgv-IEu-Y4f-O3vq.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/ZmTMKjG/DKZISsv-Rz-J4-Li6q-O4y-PFFd-Kn-I1-J76m-AC7p-KSDg4yind2-PMZ4f5o-Zh2hqmel-G8j-OQNu-Muvyrqd8-V-jd8-Xto.jpg

So what we are saying is that Hulk as Lex main target in the DCU would be Hulk getting dusted?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Superman is far faster than the Hulk, and can fly. Teleporting him elsewhere doesn't make much sense. There's this famous scene in n52 where the Outsiders teleport themselves from Pluto, whilst cloaked, and he still just flies there:

https://imgur.com/a/flies-from-pluto-back-to-earth-few-o8MAT

But the Hulk? Easy.

Edit: just to add:

Superman resisting teleportation:
https://i.ibb.co/ZNqk125/k-MBSc-Ef9-LPccon-VR07x-An6-Rx7gc-Ex-TE46k-Va-Q-y-Rk8p-Njt4v1l-L3-VNCXaaz-V-g-I0o-Qha-G-Q54-Oax-GP0.jpg

And Luthor/Leviathan using teleportation to BFR Superman across the galaxy. Superman.....flies back:
https://i.ibb.co/3s34tk0/5qo-LT4-Ni6-Na-T-hx-Rg-PAd452agy-ELo1-MHQwn-v-Nw-A3ay-E38-Jo-DJFH2i-KE-g-TAk-RBw3-Ebgv-IEu-Y4f-O3vq.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/ZmTMKjG/DKZISsv-Rz-J4-Li6q-O4y-PFFd-Kn-I1-J76m-AC7p-KSDg4yind2-PMZ4f5o-Zh2hqmel-G8j-OQNu-Muvyrqd8-V-jd8-Xto.jpg

Hulk resisted telportation, hypocrite.

So where we at if Hulk can resist Teleportion?

Hulk resisted a form of teleportation, but teleportation isn't a fixed thing. There are many different ways to do it in comics. That showing doesn't give Hulk immunity to all forms of teleportation is what I'm saying.

Originally posted by Infinaut616
Hulk resisted a form of teleportation, but teleportation isn't a fixed thing. There are many different ways to do it in comics. That showing doesn't give Hulk immunity to all forms of teleportation is what I'm saying.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Nice scan. Do you happen to have the page before and after it?

Carver, yes or no

Originally posted by Infinaut616
Hulk resisted a form of teleportation, but teleportation isn't a fixed thing. There are many different ways to do it in comics. That showing doesn't give Hulk immunity to all forms of teleportation is what I'm saying.

Uncanny Avengers (II) #17. Read it to see Hulk's 'resistance to teleportation ' lmao.

Bear in mind, that this is Carver's example, his proof, that Hulk resists teleportation, not mine. HE brought it up, not me. Pay close attention to the pink/purple doorway they use to teleport Hulk....

Anyway, as I was bored:

Originally posted by carver9
What does Hulk having waaayyy more showings have to do with Orion not consistently showing that type of power? Orion has enough showings for us to know how powerful he is. Anyways, we have Voodoo, Rogue and Cable via TK trying to bfr Hulk and failing...

Beautiful post, Carv. Great scan. I do so like having respect threads to use, especially if I wanted to cosplay as you and be an idiot for a day.

Anyways.

In that fight, they were fighting the Hulk at Hiroshima:
https://i.postimg.cc/8Cxk8CKM/Hiroshima.png

However, whilst they were fighting Hulk, Brother Voodoo was somewhere completely different, prepping a soul trap on Hashima Island:
https://i.postimg.cc/C5swfsFs/Prep.png
https://i.postimg.cc/ZnSTRMhq/Hashima.png

These are real places, so one can easily check the distances. Hashima Island is ~400km away from Hiroshima.

They sent the Hulk there, through a portal lol. This is the page immediately preceding Carv's oh-so-shitty scan - note how the Hulk is sent to Voodoo:
https://i.postimg.cc/mr11JkNW/Teleport.jpg

Cable fixed his teleport tech mid-battle and used it on Hulk.

Not to mention, Rogue was punching Hulk all over the place - so much for her failing:
https://i.postimg.cc/Jhs7dXqR/RCO013-1478713616.jpg

And we mustn't ignore context, by-the-by; Rogue was weakened here:
https://i.postimg.cc/mDMLTGJq/Weak.png

Terrigen mists that affect all mutants. Gee, I wonder why Cable failed?

But nice scan, carv. A weakened Rogue was treating Hulk like a pinball all over Hiroshima and Cable was able to BFR Hulk, but somehow this shows Hulk resisting BFR according to Carver lol.

Hulk jumped into that teleportation device. He didn't resist it. Also, Rogue couldn't move "a pissed off Hulk". I posted the scan for you to see it and you still ignored it.

Originally posted by carver9
Hulk jumped into that teleportation device. He didn't resist it. Also, Rogue couldn't move "a pissed off Hulk". I posted the scan for you to see it and you still ignored it.

Scans of him jumping through? Are you saying he now WANTED to get into Voodoo's trap?

And Rogue clearly punched him into the ocean, lmao.Guess you ignored the part where she's weakened, right? She was still ill from the M-pox.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Scans of him jumping through? Are you saying he now WANTED to get into Voodoo's trap?

And Rogue clearly punched him into the ocean, lmao.Guess you ignored the part where she's weakened, right? She was still ill from the M-pox.

So you don't see him reaching for Wasp? Chasing her? His hand went through first, trying to catch her and then the entire body next. Why do I need to post a scan of common sense?

Originally posted by carver9
So you don't see him reaching for Wasp? Chasing her? His hand went through first, trying to catch her and then the entire body next. Why do I need to post a scan of common sense?

So you are saying that if Hulk is trying to chase someone through a portal, he gets BFRd? Interesting.

Also, did you not see Rogue moving him? Let me post another:
https://i.postimg.cc/zvQGm1Jy/RCO020-1478713616.jpg

Lemme guess, Hulk wanted to be punched here?

I already said she couldn't move him when he was pissed after being blasted for some time by a full on Nova. Did you see her trying to lift him? Yes or no? Did she fail at lifting him off the ground? Yes or no. Lol... we are discussing a character that has true dynamic strength. Not that made up sh** you all try to present for a certain character.

Originally posted by carver9
I already said she couldn't move him when he was pissed after being blasted for some time by a full on Nova. Did you see her trying to lift him? Yes or no? Did she fail at lifting him off the ground? Yes or no. Lol... we are discussing a character that has true dynamic strength. Not that made up sh** you all try to present for a certain character.

Oh, so the first time a weakened Rogue (no getting around this lmao) tried, he wasn't pissed and got smacked into the city.

Second time a weakened Rogue tried again, he wasn't pissed either, and got smacked off a cliff - because he wanted it.

Third time, a weakened Rogue smacked him away from the nuclear plant and BFRd him into the ocean (see my scan above), and she got woozy:
https://i.postimg.cc/mDMLTGJq/Weak.png

Lemme guess, he was super happy here too, and WANTED to be punched into the ocean, amirite?

Remember, Rogue is ill - there is Terrigen mist in the air. Deadpool literally has to hold her up, she can barely stand:

https://i.postimg.cc/4dbpkGx4/Rogue.png

She failed because she was suffering from Terrigen mist exposure, which affects all mutatnts (Cable being a mutant).

So it sounds like Wasp is faster than Hulk (he couldn't catch her) and even when Hulk sees his arm disappearing through a doorway, he keeps going, BFRing himself. You make very good points.

Still not sure why Cable failing to move Hulk with TK = Hulk being resistant to quantum folding, but keep going Carv

Originally posted by Supermex
Well said

So is Hulk toast in the DCU due to Teleportion?
That's Question for all of u]

Not just teleportation. Time travel as well. Lex has perfected it to the point he can go to an exact moment in time to shoort Starman out of the sky as he's flying (first scan is when he first tries timetravel):

https://i.postimg.cc/QHxMRLCP/Time-TRavel.png https://i.postimg.cc/kB15Cjt5/Time-Travel2.png

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Oh, so the first time a weakened Rogue (no getting around this lmao) tried, he wasn't pissed and got smacked into the city.

Second time a weakened Rogue tried again, he wasn't pissed either, and got smacked off a cliff - because he wanted it.

Third time, a weakened Rogue smacked him away from the nuclear plant and BFRd him into the ocean (see my scan above), and she got woozy:
https://i.postimg.cc/mDMLTGJq/Weak.png

Lemme guess, he was super happy here too, and WANTED to be punched into the ocean, amirite?

Remember, Rogue is ill - there is Terrigen mist in the air. Deadpool literally has to hold her up, she can barely stand:

https://i.postimg.cc/4dbpkGx4/Rogue.png

She failed because she was suffering from Terrigen mist exposure, which affects all mutatnts (Cable being a mutant).

So it sounds like Wasp is faster than Hulk (he couldn't catch her) and even when Hulk sees his arm disappearing through a doorway, he keeps going, BFRing himself. You make very good points.

Still not sure why Cable failing to move Hulk with TK = Hulk being resistant to quantum folding, but keep going Carv

So you didn't answer my question and you went on a rant yet again. Also, wasn't Rogue during that time stacking powers including Wonder Man powers who is an elite in strength? Hulk was nowhere near as pissed after HT attack. Again, dynamic strength. At one point she was able to move him and at another point, her teamed with the rest of the Avengers/Xmen couldn't budge him.

Originally posted by carver9
So you didn't answer my question and you went on a rant yet again. Also, wasn't Rogue during that time stacking powers including Wonder Man powers who is an elite in strength? Hulk was nowhere near as pissed after HT attack. Again, dynamic strength. At one point she was able to move him and at another point, her teamed with the rest of the Avengers/Xmen couldn't budge him.

Because I addressed it:

Rogue was weakened from the Terrigen mists in the air. That's why she failed to move him. She literally states she's not right, and can't even hold herself up. Next time we see her after that panel with Deadpool, she's trying to move Hulk. It isn't said with Cable, but I assume he - as a mutant- was also weakened from the Terrigen mists.