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Can the Surfer hurt Superman if Superman just stood there without fighting back? Apparently H1 feels there's no way that Surfer can even harm Superman and i'm curious as to what the masses think.

We're not imagining how things would go in a movie - we're comparing the greatest feat of attack to the greatest feat of durability.

The question now becomes:
Does Surfer have any showings where his attack power output equals or exceeds the greatest feat Superman has endured?

Originally posted by h1a8
We're not imagining how things would go in a movie - we're comparing the greatest feat of attack to the greatest feat of durability.

The question now becomes:
Does Surfer have any showings where his attack power output equals or exceeds the greatest feat Superman has endured?

Superman - practically dies after a Nuke goes off

Surfer - shrugs off planets blowing up and survived a cosmic battle with Galactus that was bigger than the earth itself. Also, brought Sue back to life when he was depowered.

Originally posted by h1a8
We're not imagining how things would go in a movie - we're comparing the greatest feat of attack to the greatest feat of durability.

The question now becomes:
Does Surfer have any showings where his attack power output equals or exceeds the greatest feat Superman has endured?

Superman - practically dies after a Nuke goes off

Surfer - shrugs off planets blowing up and survived a cosmic battle with Galactus that was bigger than the earth itself. Also, brought Sue back to life when he was depowered.

Surfer created a blast that killed a being that dwarfed earth in size. Surger could hold back most of his power and kill Superman. Superman literally died by a nuke and was knocked out by an oil tanker falling on him. He was also turned to dust from the mother boxes exploding.

Originally posted by tkitna
Superman - practically dies after a Nuke goes off

Surfer - shrugs off planets blowing up and survived a cosmic battle with Galactus that was bigger than the earth itself. Also, brought Sue back to life when he was depowered.

Although one's durability doesn't equate to the level of one's power output

Originally posted by h1a8
1. Show us Surfer tanking these so-called concussive forces from planets exploding. Until then, he gets one-shot off the board.

You are making stuff up without proof.

Originally posted by carver9
Surfer created a blast that killed a being that dwarfed earth in size. Surger could hold back most of his power and kill Superman. Superman literally died by a nuke and was knocked out by an oil tanker falling on him. He was also turned to dust from the mother boxes exploding.
Please stop with the "my character's high feat vs your character's low feat" troll tactic that Quan was known for. We match high feat against high feat. Superman has the World Engine feat.

Surfer possibly triggered a chain reaction in the core of a cloud-like being. Ever seen someone topple a small domino that eventually knocks over planks weighing tons? That kind of feat doesn't guarantee Surfer can harm Superman - especially if Superman just sits there and does nothing.

Surfer was drilling holes through the Planet. MOS Supes is simply not on his level.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Surfer was drilling holes through the Planet. MOS Supes is simply not on his level.

Drilling holes? That's not impressive - especially considering it took him around 2-3 days to drill just five. That averages about 8 to 12 hours per hole. It adds up, given that Doom was able to reach Greenland by helicopter to confront the Surfer. Visually, each hole appears to be roughly 350-500 feet in diameter and about 800-1,000 feet deep.

Steel is like paper to Superman - let alone ice, dirt, or soil.

Superman has feats that range from millions of tons to handling forces in the quintillions.

Given Superman's near Flash-level speed and immense strength, he could drill the holes significantly faster - potentially completing each one in just seconds to a few minutes.

^ Made up feats and numbers don't count.

H1, have you ever convinced anyone that the character youre rooting for can win?

Originally posted by carver9
H1, have you ever convinced anyone that the character youre rooting for can win?

Yes, I have.

But it's important to recognize that some people approach these debates with strong biases, and at that point, it's less about discovering the truth and more about standing ground.

For example, I stated:

For a statement to be recognized as hyperbole, there must be context or general understanding that it exceeds factual truth, supported by evidence or common knowledge to the contrary. Otherwise, the writer risks the audience interpreting it as a literal claim.

That point was overlooked, which suggests the discussion may be more about defending a position than objectively evaluating the argument.

I dont believe you. You just say anything and if anyone takes anything you say as fact, they are crazy. You type anything and ignore all that goes against anything you say. Its such a waste of time debating you. The movie forum has the mental strength of a honey bagger by giving you their time debating you for pages.

Originally posted by carver9
H1, have you ever convinced anyone that the character youre rooting for can win?


No he hasn't. He's never even convinced someone here that he may have a good point.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
No he hasn't. He's never even convinced someone here that he may have a good point.

This

He just looks at threads and purposely goes against the norm just so he can be heard. He then argues against common sense with the dumbest questions and points people have ever seen. He'll ask you to prove something that can't be proven while never holding his side of the argument to the same standards. He truly is a waste of time to even engage.

FOX Surfer transmutes him into the board or vaporizes him with a blast.

Originally posted by carthage
FOX Surfer transmutes him into the board or vaporizes him with a blast.

1. Surfer would be statued in this fight.

2. He has no feats showing he can blast-vaporize someone with Superman-level durability.

Superman either one-shots him off the board or one-shots him outright.

Originally posted by h1a8
1. Surfer would be statued in this fight.

The guy traverses the planet in seconds. And he doesn't even stand around to be a statue Lmao

Also characters fight IN CHARACTER. When has Superman ever taken advantage of his opponent being a statue. Prove he can punch someone (with the strength to take out Surfer) while keeping his opponent as a statue.

And yes I'm being a little over-elaborate and pedantic, but that's how I have to argue against someone who gives silly arguments just ignoring the abilities of a guy who can traverse through the Galaxy, go intangible, transmute, emit planet sized explosions and drill through the Earth. "But hey who cares when My Guy can Maybe Move Faster!" Ridiculous.

Originally posted by h1a8
2. He has no feats showing he can blast-vaporize someone with Superman-level durability.

Circular argument given Superman has never shown resistance to being trans-mutated into a surf board. At least we saw Surfer (or Doom with Surfer's powers) go up against super strong beings, (The Thing and Johnny Super Skrull).


Originally posted by h1a8
Superman either one-shots him off the board or one-shots him outright.

Troll conclusion. Science was needed to separate Surfer from his board. Travelling at light speed doesn't do it, so zero reason to think Superman has the strength to do it.

Surfer clearly is the one who stomps here.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
The guy traverses the planet in seconds. And he doesn't even stand around to be a statue Lmao

Also characters fight IN CHARACTER. When has Superman ever taken advantage of his opponent being a statue. Prove he can punch someone (with the strength to take out Surfer) while keeping his opponent as a statue.

And yes I'm being a little over-elaborate and pedantic, but that's how I have to argue against someone who gives silly arguments just ignoring the abilities of a guy who can traverse through the Galaxy, go intangible, transmute, emit planet sized explosions and drill through the Earth. "But hey who cares when My Guy can Maybe Move Faster!" Ridiculous.



Circular argument given Superman has never shown resistance to being trans-mutated into a surf board. At least we saw Surfer (or Doom with Surfer's powers) go up against super strong beings, (The Thing and Johnny Super Skrull).




Troll conclusion. Science was needed to separate Surfer from his board. Travelling at light speed doesn't do it, so zero reason to think Superman has the strength to do it.

Surfer clearly is the one who stomps here.

1. Show Surfer traversing the planet - from one side to the other - in seconds, not minutes. Provide actual numbers: distance and time. Then, demonstrate how that directly correlates to reaction speed or combat speed.

2. Superman statued Wonder Woman - a character with faster perception than Silver Surfer - during his fight with Flash. He also perceived Steppenwolf in slow motion and was moving in relation to lightning.

3. More durable materials have greater resistance to transmutation than weaker ones. It's a special attribute to transmute objects more durable than Doom. I don't need to prove Superman is immune to Surfer's transmutation - you need to prove Surfer can affect someone as durable as Superman. A nuke can transmute material into vapor, yet it failed to do that to Superman.

4. Any punch exceeding 500 tons of force could knock out Surfer, as he has no feats of withstanding blunt force above that threshold.

5. How could Superman be trapped on Surfer's board if he perceives Surfer as moving in slow motion or not at all?

6. Doom, while wielding Surfer's power, was knocked off the board by the Thing - and Superman is astronomically stronger than the Thing.

7. Surfer didn't emit a planet-sized explosion. He triggered a chain reaction within a planet-sized cloud entity. The explosion had zero effect on Earth, showing it lacked significant destructive power.

Originally posted by h1a8
1. Show Surfer traversing the planet - from one side to the other - in seconds, not minutes. Provide actual numbers: distance and time. Then, demonstrate how that directly correlates to reaction speed or combat speed.


He flew from one solar system to another in a few seconds. You can ChatGBT the speed on that.

Originally posted by h1a8
2. Superman statued Wonder Woman - a character with faster perception than Silver Surfer - during his fight with Flash. He also perceived Steppenwolf in slow motion and was moving in relation to lightning.


He never hit Aquaman or WW whilst they were statued. So we have no idea how hard he can hit while his opponent is statued.

Yeah Steppenwolf was slow motion, not a statue. Surfer fights in flight mode. Ergo he will always be moving much faster than Steppenwolf. Ergo not a statue, heck not even slow.

Originally posted by h1a8
3. More durable materials have greater resistance to transmutation than weaker ones. It's a special attribute to transmute objects more durable than Doom. I don't need to prove Superman is immune to Surfer's transmutation - you need to prove Surfer can affect someone as durable as Superman. A nuke can transmute material into vapor, yet it failed to do that to Superman.

Yes you do. You're stuck on this point which is why you're trying to move on./

Originally posted by h1a8
4. Any punch exceeding 500 tons of force could knock out Surfer, as he has no feats of withstanding blunt force above that threshold.


That's not how the rules here work. You can't just make up a character who has never been kocked out will be knocked out by an arbitary amount of force.

But at least Surfer has durability feats to physical force. Superman has none against being transmted into his board.

Not only that but he will just go Intangible. Superman can't lay a finger on him.

Originally posted by h1a8
5. How could Superman be trapped on Surfer's board if he perceives Surfer as moving in slow motion or not at all?


Speculation.

Originally posted by h1a8
6. Doom, while wielding Surfer's power, was knocked off the board by the Thing - and Superman is astronomically stronger than the Thing.

And yet The Thing couldn't seperate Surfer. Science was needed.

Heck traversing through Space doesn't knock Sufer off his board. Superman is stuck here.


Originally posted by h1a8
7. Surfer didn't emit a planet-sized explosion. He triggered a chain reaction within a planet-sized cloud entity. The explosion had zero effect on Earth, showing it lacked significant destructive power.


Yes he did. Quit making excuses.

And he drills a hole through the Earth.

And he transmutes his opponents or attacks against him. And he goes Intangible. Superman can't even touch him.


Surfer stomps. And you're a Troll.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
He flew from one solar system to another in a few seconds. You can ChatGBT the speed on that.




He never hit Aquaman or WW whilst they were statued. So we have no idea how hard he can hit while his opponent is statued.

Yeah Steppenwolf was slow motion, not a statue. Surfer fights in flight mode. Ergo he will always be moving much faster than Steppenwolf. Ergo not a statue, heck not even slow.



Yes you do. You're stuck on this point which is why you're trying to move on./




That's not how the rules here work. You can't just make up a character who has never been kocked out will be knocked out by an arbitary amount of force.

But at least Surfer has durability feats to physical force. Superman has none against being transmted into his board.

Not only that but he will just go Intangible. Superman can't lay a finger on him.




Speculation.



And yet The Thing couldn't seperate Surfer. Science was needed.

Heck traversing through Space doesn't knock Sufer off his board. Superman is stuck here.





Yes he did. Quit making excuses.

And he drills a hole through the Earth.

And he transmutes his opponents or attacks against him. And he goes Intangible. Superman can't even touch him.


Surfer stomps. And you're a Troll.

1. We're not given a timeframe for how long it took Surfer to arrive; it could've been days or even weeks.
Traveling within an atmosphere is significantly slower than in a vacuum due to drag forces.

I once posted a calculation showing that someone traveling to the nearest solar system in a week would only cover the first 20 meters in about 0.01 seconds. That's because of acceleration-objects need time to build up speed.

You also can't move faster than your reflexes allow. Humans can guide FTL ships in space because the distances are vast, but they couldn't navigate through a house at those speeds.

2. Superman can hit extremely hard while others appear statued. He retains his strength, and due to the velocity, the kinetic energy behind his punches would be astronomical. Superman's punch speed was nearly matching the propagation speed of the lightning around Flash.

3. I'm not claiming Superman can't be transmuted by Surfer. Transmuting human-level material doesn't prove being able to transmute steel or vastly more durable substances. If you claim Surfer can transmute Superman, you need to show him doing so to something comparably durable.

4. Characters don't get special attributes without evidence. You're assigning Surfer the durability to tank a 500-ton punch without being KO'd, with no proof. That's not how it works.
Surfer can't just go intangible before being hit, especially if Superman doesn't give him the chance. Even if allowed, Surfer must be tangible to attack, meaning he's vulnerable during the fight.

5. How is it speculation to say Surfer would be statued or appear to move like a snail? What's the fastest he's traveled and reacted during a fight?

6. Thing never hit Surfer, he hit Doom, who had Surfer's powers. Traveling through space isn't the same as tanking a 100-ton punch. Humans in fiction can travel in space without issue. We could calculate the G-forces acting on Surfer, but we'd need his acceleration data in space to do that.

7. Now you're trolling. The cloud was already there; Surfer didn't create it. Triggering a chain reaction inside a cloud isn't the same as producing the cloud itself. As for the drilling argument, I already mathematically proved that it's a weak feat. You completely ignore that argument, which is trolling.

Originally posted by h1a8
You also can't move faster than your reflexes allow. Humans can guide FTL ships in space because the distances are vast, but they couldn't navigate through a house at those speeds.

Doesn't matter as he goes intangible. He flew straight through a building. And he flies faster than HT who can out race rockets and missiles.

So yeah very unlikely Superman will get a punch on him.


Originally posted by h1a8
2. Superman can hit extremely hard while others appear statued. He retains his strength, and due to the velocity, the kinetic energy behind his punches would be astronomical. Superman's punch speed was nearly matching the propagation speed of the lightning around Flash.

That's not enough to effect someone who travels at light speed.



Originally posted by h1a8
3. I'm not claiming Superman can't be transmuted by Surfer. Transmuting human-level material doesn't prove being able to transmute steel or vastly more durable substances. If you claim Surfer can transmute Superman, you need to show him doing so to something comparably durable.


4. Characters don't get special attributes without evidence. You're assigning Surfer the durability to tank a 500-ton punch without being KO'd, with no proof. That's not how it works.
Surfer can't just go intangible before being hit, especially if Superman doesn't give him the chance. Even if allowed, Surfer must be tangible to attack, meaning he's vulnerable during the fight.



You're the one giving special attributes to Superman. That he can't be absorbed by his board, or tansmutated himself.

At least I have Surfer (or Doom with Surfer's power) easily handling super strength punches of someone who can lift the London Eye. And easily damaging and transmutating such beings.

You have nothing from Superman to compare.



Originally posted by h1a8
7. Now you're trolling. The cloud was already there; Surfer didn't create it. Triggering a chain reaction inside a cloud isn't the same as producing the cloud itself. As for the drilling argument, I already mathematically proved that it's a weak feat. You completely ignore that argument, which is trolling.

You aint mathematically proved shit. Maths no one can argue, yet you can't concinve anyone you have any kind of valid math or arguments.

Keep trolling troll.

Oh and Surfer stomps. Keep crying over it.

Originally posted by tkitna
Can the Surfer hurt Superman if Superman just stood there without fighting back? Apparently H1 feels there's no way that Surfer can even harm Superman and i'm curious as to what the masses think. Originally posted by h1a8
1. Surfer would be statued in this fight.

2. He has no feats showing he can blast-vaporize someone with Superman-level durability.

Superman either one-shots him off the board or one-shots him outright.

Why would Superman do any such thing, when the whole point of th ethread is that Superman is just standing there trying to resist /tank attacks?

^Correct! I got the two threads mixed up. Good catch.

Originally posted by carver9
I dont believe you. You just say anything and if anyone takes anything you say as fact, they are crazy. You type anything and ignore all that goes against anything you say. Its such a waste of time debating you. The movie forum has the mental strength of a honey bagger by giving you their time debating you for pages. Crazy thing is, you might as well be addressing yourself here and you'd be 100% correct

Originally posted by carver9
Surfer created a blast that killed a being that dwarfed earth in size. Surger could hold back most of his power and kill Superman. Superman literally died by a nuke and was knocked out by an oil tanker falling on him. He was also turned to dust from the mother boxes exploding.
Sometimes I wonder if you actually believe what you type.

So what do people think of this thread?

Originally posted by h1a8
Some of the points you attempt to address are irrelevant to the fact that Superman simply knocks out Surfer right after the bell.

Prove it Troll.