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i was wondering, wen sirius disappeared behind that veil whether he was dead or was it sum sort of magic that luna's mom created b4 she died........

hes dead for now, but who knows, maybe he'll come back. luna did say that it wasnt as if she'd never see her mum again... dont know if that has anything to do with it...

I've read an interview of JK Rowling and she said that Sirius is definitely dead. But maybe Harry will find a way to see him dead... He's a special one, isn't he ?
But I wonder what happened to his body.

I think that there will be some future communication between Harry and Sirius whether if he is alive or dead. I think it will be alot like how Luna can see her mom. I kept thinking that...that his character can't be completely gone..you know how..Harry sees his mom and dad in the nightmares and how he seen them in book 4 when he was fighting voldemort and everythign that was coming out of the wand... I definitely think Sirius is not completely gone.

Yeah. Sirius is definitely dead, but, like airangel429 said, he's not gone forever.

yeah.. am still hoping he could communicate thru the mirror sumhow.. I mean, dat mirror must mean sumthin, ait?! n Sirius have the other pair.. altho am not sure he'd bring it to death

I hope he's coming back, tho...

yea.......its annoying (if thats the right word) that sirius dies, but i hope he comes back in the next 2 books sumhow.....thx 4 ure replies every1

i wonder wot was behind that veil and wot kind of magic thing it was....i wish JK talked about the weird stuff in the dept of mysteries more.....can any1 fill me in?

D E D :P

r u happy bout that cuz i wuldnt be he wuz like soo awesome

Yeah I was kinda hoping something would come about in book 6 with the mirror.....I keep hoping that somehow he just zaps back into the book......like hey.....i escaped...but he can't! =(

I dont want him to be gone forever. I know he's dead, coz JK sed that she wrote it and hes definately dead, and not coming back. but i suspect that harry will find a way to reach him wherever he is.

I haven't actually read the books. I am neither happy or unhappy he died (gonna read em eventually...after I have read Lord of the Rings for the 100th time ) but I AM happy that Gary Oldman is gonna be playing him. The films will be worth watching just for him Quality Actor

ya i thik hell be good for tha movie i just still cant picture him with long black hair

Um nothing can happen with the mirrors bcuz if u ppl would remember harry threw his mirror and it shattered!!!

ya

oh........

that's not a probleme that the mirror is broken. Someone has just to do the "reparo" spell.

i reckon it 'was' somthing like that i bet in the seventh bookm sirius will come back and they will all live happily ever after!

I think that Sirius is definetly dead...But it wasn't a HUGE deal in the book. It made me wonder if something is going to happen. Maybe he'll come back? Maybe he'll figure out a way to talk to Harry? I'm not sure....I just think it wasn't elaborated on because something is going to happen in the future...

I think we will see his character in the future...not sure he will be alive or not..WHICH SUX b/c he died being charged as guilty...NOT FREE...so maybe he will have to come back..and then maybe his spirit will be set free...??? He just HAS to come back somehow....as ghost or whatever...=)

well.. I dun think the ministry sees him as guilty anymore.

Remember when Dumbledore says to Fudge dat he's been chasing the wrong guy for 12 years.. wasnt it Sirius? or the word shouldnt be chasing.. coz Sirius only broke out of Azkaban for 2 years naw.. well.. maybe I got the word wrong in the first place. But I assume, he's talkin bout Sirius.. n even if not, Dumbledore must have told Fudge dat Sirius' innocent n he should listened to Dumbledore for he's been wrong all tis time.. but hey.. he still may not.
but then again, his body's not there.. it vanished, ait?! T__T

anyways... Sirius comes back n live happily ever after, well uhm.. dats lil bit too unoriginal.. i doubt Rowling would do dat
I mean, she said in her interview dat even wid Magic, death is death. no on can be raised from the death.

kay.. babbled too much.. latr

I really reall dont want sirus to die, he was my favorite, im so glad the movie is coming out, i hope its just like i thought.

Yeah I hope that his part is as good in the movie as it is int he book....but movies never really are better.....MOST of the time.

Okay guys! Here's the scoop, Sirius got hit with a RED cruse, and thats definetly not Avada Kedavra! Know what it is? Stupefy! So that means if Sirius holds any real danger, its whats beyond the veil...Now, why can't Sirius come back as a ghost and what's beyond the veil?? That's the stump I am on! HELP!

Come on guys, you have to put 2 and 2 together! Siruis was not hit with a deadly curse!! It was red just like Stupefy...so whatever is beind the veil seals the fate.

I am just so mad that Rowling left us in the dark like this...how can anyone hate Sirius Black? Kill off Wormtail or someone, not the good guys!

yeah....sirius may not be dead....but he is stuck behind the veil....However.......he did escape from the unescapeable Askaban prison...so maybe he can get out from there.

Probably...the only thing that really gets me is that the curse he was hit with was red, and Bellatrix had been attempting to stun Sirius with Stupefy...which is not a deadly curse. Also, voices were coming from behind the veil, so someone has to be behind there. I think Sirius is making a comeback. Just because Rowling said that she killed him off doesn't mean that he is gone forever. Sirius fell behind the veil with his wand, mind you, and he never gave up on Harry, EVER! So I don't think he is going to start now. And how is it that he stuck behind the veil? What is keeping him there first of all? And where does Luna Lovegood come into the mix? How come she seems to be this special child? Can only people who have seen death hear them? If so, Neville would have heard it, right? Maybe someone who has lost a parent/s then, because Neville's aren't dead. I am asking for a lot on insight here, but I think we all really need to work this thing out properly.

Rosebloom you have a lot of good points. Yes I do think Luna will bring us ALOT of new information in the next book...the new characters always do.... As for the veil maybe its some kind of demention. Maybe Sirius isn't dead.....but he's imprisoned behind the veil. I wonder if Luna just thinks her mom is dead....but she's really not. But the tricky thing is....was even LUPIN...said there was no coming back from behind the veil. Maybe it has a magical shield that cannot be broken. I dunno. but I am very curious about it.

i think somehow siruis and harry will be able to communicate somehow like harry did with his parents in the 4th book i think that he is dead though but who knows

Well, you guys have great points, but an't people come back from the dead in real life? Just because Sirius is caught up in a metaphor for death doesn't mean he can't come back. Also, remember we are in the Wizarding world, and people can come back in other ways besides flesh and blood. The veil could be anything, maybe Sirius is just pertified beyond hte other side. I think it would be a good idea if they actually got Sirius back to find a way and place him in the time jar...don't ya think? But thats a extremely slim possibility. I am hastey to think that Sirius is alive, but I really want him to be and there is my doubt arisen. But I have no doubt that Sirius is coming back, one way or another.

Listen u stpuid fools...I haven't even read the friggin book but listen...get a grip man - He's Dead D E D :P.

Wow Sifer that's a lot to say being how you haven't even read the book. That's like a lawyer trying to defend a witness who he doesn't even have the statement for...so read the book, and get back to me okay man? And also, I would request in the longrun that you don't call us stupid fools when you are the one who spells dead d-e-d, and you with a u. Take the time to type the words properly if you are going to insult us...SIRIUS SHALL RISE AGAIN!!!! It doesn't matter if he is alive or not, but the guy is coming back. That's a promise.

you go rosebloom tell him siruis will return

Okay...SIRIUS WIL RETURN YOU GREAT PRAT!! (Is that good?) Just kidding, honestly though, the guy is not gone forever, he may be dead, but NOT gone.

somethings got to happen with the mirror. what is the point of telling us about it

I really think that something has got to happen with the mirror. I don't think Rowling just brought it in to show us what might have been if Harry had used it. Perhaps breaking it would reach out the connection farther instead of being one of one, maybe its twenty different pieces connected to Sirius. I don't know, anyone have any insight on this one? And another thing, Rowling never said what the other mirror was, was it one connected to a wall (like a beauty parlor thing) or a small carry around one? Maybe Sirius has it with him, and he's just temporarily indisposed. There are too many factors signifying his return, and only one spell to hit him, and that wasn't even deadly.

ok listen..... it did say that he was hit with a jet of red light but... then it said he was like come on i know u have more than that......then he was hit with another spell and it did NOT say what color the light was!! I think that he disapparated from there back to his house to get buckbeak then left and went somewhere else to hide!!!

How could he disapparate if he fell behind the veil? Also, if he got stunned then he couldn't do anything, and why would he run? He has no reason to run as he has somewhere to hide. Finally, he did get hit with a RED curse.

i had a realy cool idea it wont happen but it would be cool Harry repaires the mirror and takes i to the veil throws the mirror behind the veil and then Sirius has a mirror he can talk to him from

see it all works out

ok Rosebloom... he was acting.... they did NOT EVER say what COLOR the jet of light was!!! and... if u remember Dumbledore NEVER said that Sirius WAS DEAD!!! and...Dumbledore NEVER acted TO concerned about what was going on down there in the room!! SO to make my point, there is a possiblity that SIRIUS DID disapparate after he "fell" behinf the veil.

and the whole thing with the mirror....come on harry opened the mirror when he was in the dormitory and did Sirius show up???? I think not

Yeah but there is always book 6 and ya know.....I am thinking about this dissaperation.......he could have....b/c he could have disapperated as he was hitting the curtain..TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE HE FELL BEHIND IT... you have a point LadyBlueEyes....i am soooooo hoping to see him in the next book. He was one of the BEST ever characters.....I couldn't wait to get to his parts.........when his character would come back into play

Ladyblueeyes no offence but I dont know what version of the book you are reading. You said:

"if u remember Dumbledore NEVER said that Sirius WAS DEAD!!!"

But back in the real book Dumbldore clearly states to Harry in his office:

"It is my fault that Sirius died."

Get your information right before you bore us with nonsensical ramblings. You can't seriously expect to make a valid point with stuff you make up.

ok whatever!! i think that i ought to know what is in the book since i have read it like 5 times now!!! and.....airangel429....thank u for agreeing with me!! b/c it is a magical world and.....N E thing can happen it could have all been a set-up or something like that!!

NOt a prob

Umm..if you ARE going to bore us, at least give us the dignity of typing the words. Because NOT "N E" thing goes in the Magical World, and you guys are forgetting that Sirius is Harry's Godfather. He's not just going to leave him and disappear. You are just making up facts that cannot be backed, and bending the book to them, when it should be the other way around. I suggest you read the book one more time.

#1 i have read the book 5 times and i still have MY belief that Sirius is NOT dead and that he will COME back !!! there is logical sense behind the disapperation stuff too!! as he was falling into the veil he disapperated making the illusion like i said before that he actually hit the veil but he really didn't!! and then theres the whole buckbeak issue!

What Buckbeak issue? You are just making things up! We DON'T know anything but Sirius is "dead". I have no doubt that he won't come back, but if he isn't dead then why would he LEAVE HARRY TO THINK THAT HE WAS!? He has no reason to flee! Sirius is Harry's Godfather, he wouldn't leave him if he knew that Voldemort was after Harry. You need to stop throwing out ludicrous ideas just because you are too dilusional to realize that Sirius is gone for the time being. He got hit with a spell, fell behind the veil...and now we don't know what happened to him. There is no way he would have gone back to Buckbeak, and then left. HE HAS NO REASON TO LEAVE!!! Explain that please instead of braggin about reading the book 5 times, which it doesn't even seem like it because all you can do is BRAG about it, and you don't even yield the right information! Either stop posting things, or get the facts...I think I speak for everyone who DOES know what they are talking about. You need to quit talking about stuff that has nothing to do with anything, and get the facts and back them up. SIRIUS HAS NO REASON TO LEAVE! HE GOT HIT WITH A SPELL, AND FELL BEHIND THE VEIL. Deal with it. He wouldn't go back to Buckbeak and flee, why would he?????????

i believe that he would go and GET BUCKBEAK!! he has had him since they escaped together. and he WOULD still be RUNNING b/c of FUDGE... he is still after Sirius! he may well be dead but some facts point out that he isn't dead

the first spell missed him in the first place and the second one WAS RED. another thing is that James and Sirius used the mirrors in school so both had to be portable.

if he would have dissaperated it would have made a loud crack. did u all forget that or not and i agree with Rosebloom that you should get all the facts first before bragging

another thing is Sirius wouldnt flee because dombledore is secret keeper for the order still and fudge would not know about #12 Grimauld Place

The sound of dissaperating is described as being like a gunshot, so I agree with Sephiroth that even amongst all the noise of the big ruckus somebody would have heard him and noticed him dissaperating.

The Thing that I think is that Sirius is in a place of the afterlife but since he didnt particularly die, he just fell through and got trapped. i think that he will have to find his way out somehow and make a reappearance in the 7th book. If that happened then JKR could write a book about him beyond the veil and make more money for herself

THANK YOU FOR AGREEING WITH ME! And LadyBlueEyes, when you are confronted with a question you come back with mindless babble...and I don't recall Fudge KNOWING that Sirius was back! He came there AFTER he fell behind the veil. Also, these guys have excellent points, since Dumbledore is the secret keeper, Fudge can't get to Grimmauld Place even IF he knew where it was.

they call it the veil of death right. so how would any one living know exactly what is behind it

Its not called anything, its just a veil. We just don't know WHAT it is yet. There are all these people saying its the veil of death, and the gateway to the other side of life (a.k.a death) but WE DON'T KNOW! For all we know it could be the veil of life, that turns people back into babies, or maybe if an animagus falls behind it they will stay in that form forever. WE JUST DON'T KNOW! Assumptions, people, are NOT answers.

A lot of people assume that it is the veil of death because of what Luna said at the end of OotP! Also, don't get all angry at these people, I mean at TON of things that we assumed would be or happen in OotP didn't, so they are just trying to make theories, though they should have clues or hints from the book to back them up!

They SHOULD. But they DON'T!! And what the hoo haa hay is OotP? And what exactly did Luna say? That she could hear the voices too? OH MY GOSH! THAT'S THE CLUE! ITS THE VEIL THAT LEADS TO MARS WHERE EVERYONE DRINKS SMOOTHIES AND EATS FRIED CHICKEN!! Now, that sounds a little far fetched, doesn't it? That's my whole point. Harry could look at the veil, and say "I'm cold," and everyone would be saying it lead to Antarctica. Please people, assumptions don't get you anywhere. We have people saying that he fled with Buckbeack so that Fudge wouldn't come after him. WHERE DID THESE THINGS COME FROM? I don't want to get confuzed over lesser posts thank you very much.

i cant believe he would have dissaparated and just left the fight, when he knew harry was in danger BUT it was never ACTUALLY said what colour the spell was, it couldve been the stunner, it couldve been the avada kedavra, it couldve been the one that makes you tap dance!!! it never says.
so for all we know, the veil couldve killed sirius, the spell couldve killwed sirius, sirius could be trapped behind the veil, alive but unable to come out! WE DONT KNOW. NO ONE knows... cept J.K.

Thank you FrootLoop! That is what I have been trying to say. WE DON'T KNOW PEOPLE!! We can only guess with the facts that we have! So whoever said that he fled with Buckbeak because Fudge was after him needs to read the book, and all the others. Fudge doesn't know where he is, so Sirius wouldn't need to leave.

You see RoseBloom, I don't believe Sirius is dead nor do I believe that he is alive. I'm am just going to wait and see. Oh, and what Luna said is the part about her mother and she really isn't dead or something like that at the end of OotP. By the way OotP stands for Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix, OotP for short. Also, you should be a little nicer to the people who believe Sirius to be alive, they a right to their opinion just as much as you do and you should show respect for their thoughts and opinions!

Oh believe me, I respect them as much I respect anyone else. I old them in high regards but I will pick at every stupid comment they make until it seems like the stupidist thing in the world. And Luna's statement doesn't exactly mean anything. Maybe she means that her mother is a ghost or something. How would Luna's mother be behind the veil anyway? Did she, like Harry, walk into the Department of Mysteries and fall behind it as well?

Dead, but not gone.

um rosebloom....y would jkr put in lunas comment if it hadnt meant anything?....i mean jkr could have just left it as tho sirius fell thru the veil and was gone 4eva...but she made lunas comment to leave doubt in the readers mind and anticipation 4 the next novel like any book/movie with a guaranteed sequel

Well, i think everyone has strong points, but if there is one thing we can learn from JK, is that she loves to suprise...and i am sure if she looked at this postboard right now, she would have us all right where she wants us. and that place is...EVERYONE IS GONNA BE DYING TIL THE NEXT BOOK COMES OUT Now, a few things to add, #1. I thought with the A.K. death spell was cast, that the body fell lifelessly to the floor. But didnt it say Sirius kinda, and correct me NICELY if im wrong, but he kinda stiffed up and fell into the wall, you would think that if he was killed he would have fallen straight to the floor. #2. I could have sworn, that when Harry and Dumbledore were in Dumbledores office he told harry that he(dumbledore) took full responsibility of Sirius' death. I could swear he actually said that to harry. #3. I agree about the mirror, i think it will come in handy again, and i believe that somehow, Sirius will contact harry. There were voices behind that veil, and so i think somehow, Harry and Sirius will somehow meet up again. #4. If im not mistaken, a couple days had passed since Harry watched Sirius fall through the curtain, wouldnt someone from the Order know if Buckbeak was missing by then? Im sure that house hadnt been abandoned that long. and #5. Is it just me, or did Umbridge get off easy? I COULDNT STAND THE WOMAN! So i hope she gets a little more than what she got! Whew! I said a little much didnt i? well, thanks for listening to me. and please, REPLY LIKE GROWN UPS! Thanks!

dont forget that harry broke the mirror so in theory, it shouldnt work anymore

remeber when harry asked nearly headless nick about seeing sirius as a ghost and mick said...that if he wants to he will... but then he said that he wont... he has to come back... and let me talk about someone besides sirius... i belive that peter pettigrew will contribute to the final downfall of voldemort... remember that he is in debt of harry?... dumbledore said that... then in the beginning of the goblet of fire... (in THE RIDDLE HOUSE) voldemort was treating wormtail like CRAP!!!!...hhmmmm... and of course snape will be potions master by the end... but he will show his true goodness in front of everyone... even though he still has the death eater mark thingy...

isnt anyone gonna reply... i am like waiting

You can always repair mirrors and things in the Wizarding world, so there is a chance that the mirror will be used later on, and I think it will. For JK never just puts things in for no reason, she always has a reason for putting something in! Yes, I agree with the whole Wormtail thing, also did you guys notice that Wormtail wasn't in OotP at all! Maybe a bit of foreshadowing. . .

Wow...so many posts that I must ridicule. Just look for your name!!!! First of all...Dage-hun, I NEVER said that Sirius was gone.
Envision: I agree with Luna's comment that it was made to leave doubt, but people are using it for the wrongs reasons. People are saying that Luna's mother is behind the veil, and that her mom isn't dead...yadda yadda yadda. People, somethings have to be taken seriously, but others they are stretching so thin they forget that the actual statement falls far from what they are using it for.
Stealth: PLEASE!! What does it have to do with which way he fell? Now.."Correct me if I'm wrong," but Sirius got hit with a spell, which has force. Now, if I punched you in the chest, would you fall straight to the floor or back? And also, its called a veil, not a wall. As for the rest of what you said, it was correct, and I agree with the Umbridge issue. I wish the centaurs finished her off when they had the chance to.
Sephiroth: About the mirror, they still work even when they are broken. Don't forget that, and the mirrors job is to reflect the other's image on a sort of magical frequency. Just because its broken doesn't mean that it can't work...and there is always that handy little spell called Reparo.
Thelotrlovr: Don't forget this is Voldemort we are talking about. Does it seem like he is peaches and cream to everyone? I think not. Wormtail is his servant, he wants to stick with the power that he sees so that he won't put himself in immediate danger...don't forget this is a coward we are talking about here. And also, patience is a virtue.
GinnyBlack: I agree with the whole mirror thing, but NOT with Wormtail. Voldemort got everything he has through cruelty. Not through sending chocolates. The people who are with him are under the impression, if you can't beat them join them...and with Wormtail, Voldemort does all the fighting for him.
---Now, I am eager to here you people argue with me as I am prepared to argue back. I am most eager to hear people agree with me. I hope my ridiculing of the things you said doesn't go too deep in your pride. As for now...TATA. (P.S Forgive if there are spelling errors, realize I did this in 5 minutes of time, so I was going pretty quickly.)

I don't think that Wormtail will go and fight against Voldemort, sorry, I don't think I made that quite clear. . .wait. . .no I didn't. Well, I think that Wormtail will do something though to help Harry. What it is, I'm not quite sure, but I just know he is going to do something for the better!

ok then ROSEBLOOM, why did Dumbledore mention at all and say that to harry when he could not have said that and say that he doesnt owe harry anything...huh? huh? i am not saying that he is gonna defeat voldemort single-handed... duh... only harry can kill him... duh!... he could help by telling harry where voldemort is... to sacrificing himself for harry... since dumbledore said that he owes a lifetime owe thing... but wormtail IS gonna DO something... maybe in the 6th book or in the 7th... or actually CONTRIBUTE to the downfall of He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named... may it be small ( the contribution) or big... we will soon see...

I disagree, since when did Wormtail EVER do anything that was remotely good? He cut of his hand for Voldemort...wait, that wasn't good was it? Plus, I highly doubt he'll help Harry, I mean...look at what he does to friends. He lead Voldemort to Lily and James, and allowed everyone to think that Sirius was their killer. Not only is he in league with Voldemort, he'll do anything to stay safe (that's the kind of guy that he is) and the only way to actually do that (in his mind) is to stay as close to Voldemort as he can. NO WAY is he going to help Harry, or do anything good.

Rose, tell me something. So it doesnt matter how Sirius fell? Apparently everytime you get hit with a spell you automatically go flying? So when NEville got hit with the tappdancin spell how come it didnt send him soarin back, didnt see it mention that, or when a stupefy hits someone, i dont recall them going half way across Tulsa just because he got hit with it. Jeez, you act like you know more than the rest of us, well sweetheart, im sure you dont. Dang, lol, why dont you go and be sideline help for the movies when they do them. Seems like you know it all. get a grip. ITS A BOOK. i was making A STATEMENT. jeez, i hope you dont beat your kids becuase they break a glass in the sink

I find it somewhat humerous that you should result to simplistic statements about my future children, and I would like to thank you now for telling me that it was a book. If I were not so "evil" as you make me out to be, perhaps I would award you with a gold star. Now, onto the spells. Never did I say that NO SPELL WILL SEND YOU FLYING BACK. But, I am afraid, that I must thoroughly explain my points AGAIN as they seemed to go in one ear and out the other...so, for your special needs, I shall go through it once more.
-I shall indeed repeat you, ITS JUST A BOOK! Don't take EVERY LITTLE THING seriously. Honestly, you people are really going to take the outcome of Sirius' fate to the way he fell? Pal-eeze.
-Neville got hit with the Tapdancing Spell, thus, he tap-danced. If you get hit with Stupefy, then you are Stupefied. Now, correct me if I am wrong, but can't Stupefy be a powerful spell? Did McGonagall NOT get sent to Maladies because she got hit with several stupefies? Is Bellatrix not a powerful witch? That means her spell could be powerful couldn't it?
-Now, I wish that little people like you would not put words into my mouth. Never once did I say that Stupefy would shoot you halfway across Tulsa, or so you say. I simply said that when you get hit with it, you don't drop like a dead deer.
-Finally, NO. It does not matter how Sirius fell. NEVER WILL. Oh look, Sirius fell. Did I describe the way he fell? NO! What matters is that he fell behind the veil. Not delibrately...he JUST FELL! He fell people, not disapparated, not flying around on Buckbeak somewhere, not sitting in Cancun enjoying a nice Martini. SIRUIS FELL!! Does it matter how?! NO! N-O. Nope! N-o-p-e.
Now, I hope that you get the picture. And I hope that you don't ridicule your future children (should you have any) if they are that of more intelligent plain that you are.

lol. i think that Ron will kill Wormtail if anything and wormtail has kinda already tried to help harry by suggesting using another wizard than him and also this is going a bit off topic with wormtail and i know im being a hipocrit (spelling?) when i say this so dont flame me on how i am talkin about wormtail too

when i say suggesting another wizard, i mean when he was bringing back Voldemort fo people who didnt understand what i was talkin about

oh my god, this is hilarious. Well Rose, tell ya what, i dont think i will respond to what you said, becuase #1. this is a FORUM, so no amount of critisizm will get us anywhere. Correct, it is a book, but its still nice to stress a point once in a while. And yeah, it probably doesnt matter how sirius fell, but if you noticed there are a couple of points in this book that make you go..hmm...so tell ya what, lets just agree to disagree before we both act like children and say stuff that we will probably think is stupid later. Id like to be the grownup here since i said earlier we all should try to respond in the senseable manner. But i guess thats not gonna happen. Fact is, all the books have been written, all the chapters finished, and we will just have to see the outcome. Saw the interview with JK on tv, said she had all the books finished and ready to go to publishing when they told her to. So no matter what, ITS A BOOK like we both said and hey, my opinion, they are either gonna make Sirius a maryter or a hero, but until we know, guess we will have to get over the fact that we disagree, am i right?

Yes, I know what you are talking about...but the only reason that he didn't want to use Harry was because that would bring people to the fact that Voldemort was back, and they are trying to ly low. An act of heroism? No, like I have been saying, Wormtail is a coward who is only looking out for himself. And where in Hades did you get that Ron will kill Wormtail? Am I the only one who has only five books? Because with all the idiotc things you guys are suggesting must mean you have more information than I do...because I, unlike you it seems, sticks to the information provided by the books. (And the spelling is hipocrite, by the way.) I don't wish to "flame" on any of you, that's why I don't go to personal dissing, unlike StealthNinja over here...but rather I would prefer to stick to what you guys are saying...if you take it personally, its not my fault. I would just rather not waist my ideas on people who are ruining the book with such suggestions. This is suppose to be a debate about whether or not Sirius is dead, you guys are talking about Ron killing Peter. Now, Sirius is gone yes. HE IS GONE! Gone forever? No, not forever. That is my opinion on that matter, if you would like to discuss it in more detail, then by all means let us do so. If you would rather talk about Wormtail, then I am open for that too.

um rosebloom...if ure saying the idea of lunas mum being alive is stoopid then isnt that kind of contradicting ureself? Because your saying that sirius is "gone" but will return from behind the veil in 1 way or another, then since lunas mum is also stuck behind the veil (well the book sort of eludes to it) she shouldn't she also return, and lunas qoute from the book also backs this up...

"its not as though i'll never see mum again...?"

well im sure you'll find some way to demolish my argument, so im ready

The reason why i said that ron would probably kill peter is because he used to be rons rat and he sort of betrayed him. i dont know if its true but its an opinion and like i said, i already know its off topic but yet you still brought it up. and even though we all stick to the info from the book, im proposing ideas beyond the 5 books and into the next books which almost everybody does on this forum

I wouldn't be getting my hopes up, people. You see, a good writer knows how to keep the readers guessing what's going to happen right up until it does. In other words, a good writer constructs the story in a way that you never really know for sure whether something's going to happen or not. Also, writers typically try to taunt the reader by making them think something's going to happen, but then not happening. So, no matter how much you think you know, the truth is, you don't really know anything. Writers can do whatever they want, and many go deliberately against what people want in order to make it more interesting. Granted, my favorite characters were Sirius, Remus, and Alastor, Sirius being numero uno. But, reading everyone's replies, it's looking like you all think that he's definitely going to come back in some way. I really want him to come back too, but that doesn't mean it's going to happen. I'll i'm saying is, Don't get your hopes up.

Yeah you all have your own points............but Wormtail does owe harry and in the end.........so maybe in the end Wormtail will die for Harry also to free him from Lily and James' death...at 1st...they were all good friends...but then he went against them..... and sold them to Lord V... NOW Harry/Wormtail have a bond...just like Ginny/Harry...b/c Harry has saved both of their lives and wormtail WILL repay him...that's what I had understood out of book 7........

As for Sirius. I really hope that if he DID fall behind the veil...that he will have to escape again..I mean he escaped the unescapable askaban prison...so anything's possible...but the thing i was thinking...is that it might be his SPIRIT that has to escape so he will at least be at piece...THIS IS IF HE IS IN FACT REALLY **DEAD**. We do know that JKR was sad and she said that there was no doubt about it (pretty well much) BUT then...it could mean dead in different ways...maybe dead to Harry....and everyone else...but not really dead....... what if he didn't come back until book 7...........THAT WOULD BE WEIRD.

Also..I hope everyone is communicating better......from what I've read...there's been some disgruntlements........

Right then...I really wish that whenever I decided to check these things that there weren't so many posts...And I will try, if possible, to be pleasant with all of you...So here goes, just look for your name.
--Envision...Now HOW do we know her mother is behind the veil? I'm not saying that she isn't, but maybe we should just wait. Also, think about Luna's background. I mean, her dad does the Quibbler, and those are very strange articles. Maybe Luna thinks that there is some crazy unpossible way to see her mom again. I don't know, I just don't know HOW her mother would get behind the veil in the first place.
--Sephiroth...I know that Ron and Wormtail had a sort of connection, but Ron doesn't seemed too beaten up about it. I think he doesn't like Wormtail, but I there is no way Ron is going to go mad and kill him. Ron isn't bloodthristy, and I think there is NO WAY he is going to say, "DIE SCABBERS!" Then blast him with Avada Kedavra...Its so, UNLIKE HIM.
--Mormegil...WOW!! YOu sent a SOLID thread! Good job! If I could post a gold star, I would. Congrats to you! Its long, error proof, I agree with everything! Keep it up!
--Airangel...I disagreed with the first part. Wormtail, ladies and gents, is a WORM! A worm that sprouts a tail! I don't want to sound mean, but Wormtail thinks the only thing that he owes something to is himself. And that is power. Didn't you remember how happy he was when Voldemort gave him the hand!? He was thrilled! I don't think that guy is capable above anything besides picking his nose.
----AND THAT, you see...is, well...its something. Keep posting, and I will continue answer and waist away my summer vacation.

ok i agree with u rosebloom on the point about "scabbers". he turned his back on RON and he betrayed harry's parents. I think that he is gonna play a part in the downfall of the dark lord...but...i dont think he is gonna be helping harry out by doing it...if he indeed does play a part in the downfall then it will most likely be a screw-up on his part. i dont see him killing his master!
airangel-i agree with u about what u said about jk talking about sirius being "dead" she could have ment that he was dead to harry and everyone else..or she could have ment it in a totally different way...like he is dead until he gets out from behind the veil (meaning-his charecter is on hold for a while) jus a thought so take it easy rosebloom

NO NO NO! I actually agree with you. Yes, Sirius is dead...but for how long? That doesn't mean he can't come back, JK is full of metaphors and similies. When she said Sirius is dead, she meant it. Sirius is dead, but he is coming back. Whether its alive or not. I have no doubt that he won't be in the last book. Maybe even the next book will have him in it...doubtful. But I know that Sirius is coming back. What form it will be in, I don't know.

thank u rosebloom!! that means a lot that u agree with me!! im being serious too!!
and about the whole ron vs. scabbers come now ron loved his pet dearly and even though he did betray them... i still dont see ron trying to kill him off!

Me either! Ron may have a temper, but he isn't going to whack off Wormtail because he hurt his feeling when he left! COME ON!! I think Wormtail is going to get his snuff in the end because he does something stupid. Like, goes after Dumbledore or something. I don't think a kid can actually do Avada Kedavra anyway. You have to be a really skilled wizard/witch.

thats true!! u have to be really advanced i can see harry maybe being able to do it but not ron....come now someone actually thinks that ron has it in him to kill!! puh-leeze!!!!

Ron might have cared in some prospect in the long past. But now he knows Wormtail is bad. END OF STORY! Wow...have you ever noticed how a subject just kills itself out when it has been discussed in every possible aspect? I need to criticize more. Anyway, back to the mirror thing with Sirius. Just because a mirror breaks doesn't mean that it can't work. JK didn't put it in for kicks and giggles. Harry is smart, and he'll figure something out...he ALWAYS does.

rosebloom...i hate to argue with u ne more i really do...but didnt luna say that her mother was an experimentalist and her experiment went wrong? Also, luna speaks as though she knows a reasonable amount about the veil wen harry speaks to her so wouldnt that mean luna has an idea about wot it is from her mothers death?....
quote from the book...

"They were just lurking out of sight, thats all..."

i mean that seems to be sufficient info as to lunas link with the veil and her mothers death

Other than that i agree with u about absolutely everything else

yea and she also believes in crumple-horned Snorkacks. J/k

LOL

i think that sirius is just dead for now, as people have been metioning earlier, he just disappeared, in lotr gandalf fell, they didn't see him actually die, i think that some how sirius is going to come back in the seventh book when harry needs him the most and things will be better

Envison... (I'm not going to bother replying to anyone else's posts...not that I think they are stupid or anything, but Envision is the only one really worth talking to right now. No offense.)...I don't remember Luna saying her mom was an Expiramentalist, so I'm not going to argue on that. You give some pretty good points, and I agree with them. I don't know what happened to Luna's mom, but maybe she can come back just as much as Sirius can. Perhaps she is behind the veil, perhaps she isn't. It seems logical enough that a woman who married such a wierd man WOULD work with something as wierd as the veil.

how did this thread end up on luna's mom? lol

Wow...obviously Spehiroth, you haven't been paying attention... We were discussing the veil, and the connection it has with the characters. Some people think that Luna's mom COULD be behind the veil. Now, in the future I would ask that you would pay more careful attention so that we don't have to waist our time explaining it thank you.

lol...rosebloom i agree with everything u say now ...in the book it says lunas mum was experimenting but i dnt know if she was an actual experimentalist or not

Yeah...It really could be anything. I just wish that JK would have done more detail in these things...but she always covers it in the end, so I don't think we have to worry about anything.

Does anyone here possibly know how to get in touch with J.K. Rowling? Something like an e-mail address, so we could ask her stuff about the book... For all we know, we might be able to figure some stuff out, even if only when the book's are coming out... I'll look into it...

I am sure that even after you found out all her personal information that she couldn't possibly want you to know, I doubt that you'll learn anything new. If she didn't tell us in the book, she isn't going to tell us in the letters or whatever. Time will reveal all. And I hope IF you do contact her, don't put my name on anything because I really don't want to get arrested.

Yes, I had written to her before the fifth book had come out, yet, I had not gained anything really from the letter. I hadn't found out anything new! Yet, I did get her picture with her autograph! Sorry, that was off topic, but i just wanted to clear that up for Mormegil.

Wow, how do people actually get her information? I mean, isn't that stuff suppose to be confidential? Wow, look at what this forum had turned into.. Umm, Sirius is dead, but he is coming back. There, that has something to do with the topic.

lol thats telling them rose!! im glad someone has decided to get back to the real topic! so if ne of u have ne new suggestions as to what u think happend just let us all no please!!

You know, I have discussed the whole Sirius issue SO MUCH that I know every possible outcome. All I can do is wait for the dumb posts and ridicule them. Maybe I'll make up a New Forum called, "Harry Potter-The FUTURE!" Watch, there will already be one, but if not...LOOK FOR IT! Woot!

goody!!! im excited now! hehe

Oh yeah! Its there! I created it! So...you can go there. The chatting possibilities are ENDLESS!! MWAHAHAHA!!!

You dumb little mortals....Sirius will never die, he got knocked back into a ****ing curtain you dumbasses. Believe me when i say, that he shall be back and hes gonna kick some ass.

...Did you EVER see me say ANYTHING about Sirius being gone? Please do not dull us with your insignificant languages either. Your complete idiocy not only annoys me, but it dishonors my Forum. You may go get educated you you hopeless twit.

Err.. Deafmonkey if you haven't yet read OFTP, I suggest you do.
Hey, maybe he will live again. But please do control your emotions.. and your typing.

Right, how's this for a theory:
Maybe that veil leads to another dimension or something, and in that dimension, Harry is dead, and there is only one dimension where Harry is alive. So, Sirius gets out of the Dept. of Mysteries (disapparates) and then finds his mirror to try and communicate with Harry. Since all the other Harry Potters are dead (not survived the encounters with Voldemort), the only window the mirror can open to is the one in which Sirius was before he fell behind the veil, the dimension where Harry Potter is alive. So, Harry one day is sorting out his school trunk and remembers his broken mirror, and notices that Sirius is in there! They communicate, and then so on ... Now, criticise this all you want, it's a very bizarre theory, but remember: Nobody knows!

if ur saying he gets a mirror from a different dimension and is still able to talk to the Harry from his original dimension, wouldnt he talk to all the other siriuses from all the dimensions

wow!!! nice reply! i agree with you. I mean, seriously, sirius has delt with a lot of stuff. There wasn't even a body. I mean, Cedirc didn't evaporate or anything. Does anybodies have fellings on this???????

there is an entry in JK's charity book 'Fantastic Beasts and where to find them' about a veil-type creature. (I will look this up as soon as poss, it is upstairs and i am downstairs, with only limited time on the net. Could the veil be this creature?

ok, got the book, give me a sec to find the creature...

I CAN'T FIND IT!!! I saw it when I was looking up Snidgets a few days ago, I'll try again...

The LETHIFOLD

I'll write the entry out...

LETHIFOLD (also known as Living Shroud)
M. O. M. Classification : XXXXX (Known wizard killer/ impossible to train or domesticate)

The Lethifold is a mercifully rare creature found solely in tropical climates. It resembles a black cloak perhaps half an inch thick (thicker if it has recently killed and digested a victim) which glides along the ground at night. The Patronus is the only spell known to repel the Lethifold. Since it generally attacks the sleeping, though, its victims rarely have a chance to use any magic against it. Once its prey has been sucessfully suffocated, the Lethifold digests its food there and then in its bed. It then exits the house slightly thicker and fatter than before, leaving no trace of itself or its victim behind.

Phoenix> Good idea, but no. A VEIL was hanging over the arch-way, not a cloak.

P.S.: Why not just write a simple post, instead of five?

*shrugs* I dont think sensibly...

teehee...

it wud be cool if sirius wasnt dead, i dont think itll be the last we hear from him though!

It will become an adventure, like Harry Potter and the prisoner of the veil!
heehee!

nearly headless nick said he wouldnt be a ghost but i do hope he comes back.....sirius really needs to come back so harry can escape the dursleys! but i know he cant.....but even tho the mirror is broken theres gotta be something that will happen......ive heard rumors he comes back

I WAS HOPING YOU COULD TELL ME IF HE IS IM GONNA BE VERY ANGERY are you a big fan to?

I'm positive that Sirius' death will be investigated further in the 6th book at least, even if we don't hear from him. It just came so sudden - Lupin was telling Harry that he's dead and that he can't come back, but it was strange the way that he nor Dumbledore showed much disappointment at his death. One of the thoughts that came to my mind was that maybe this was some sort of plan of the Order's, and that it was made to appear as if Sirius was dead for some reason or other. But I doubt that ... just be sure he's gonna be mentioned a fair bit in the 6th book.

Rosebloom, I am shocked. You said that we shouldn't make assumptions. How many curses, spells, etc are there, and how many colors are there. Just because the spell that hit sirius was red DOESENT mean it was a stunner!

jesus so much posting! i just read all of this for the past 20 min. or something and im gunna say stuff to everything i have read so you might have to look around to understand what i am talking about...
1.Deadalus is right...there are plenty of spells that are red so i think what if it wasn't a stunner. this spell that we know nothing of could have killed him. Why you ask...? avada kedavera is the killing curse because it cant be blocked i am pretty sure that no where in any of the books does it say that is the only way to kill someone. Remember sirius was tallking to bellatrix and not paying attention when she hit him maybe its a kind of curse that can kill you but there is a counter curse so you can block it. thats one of may theroys (spelling?)
2.It was called the chamber of death...i think...im pretty sure anyway.people have said it before but i will say it again.i belive the veil it a gateway to the afterlife. it is extremly old remember.
3.harry and luna could here voices why? because if it is a gateway to the after life then lunas mom and james and lily would be there and they were talking i guess but the other kids there could hear nothing maybe they havent lost anyone so they wouldnt hear them wispering? (ohh no i've gone cross eyed so much hard thinking i need a brether ok im good)and if you understand point 3 i think i am tring to say is...well luna said to harry that they are just behind the veil or something i think the wispering is just the loved ones waiting for them.(whoa! that was hard to right did you understand it i didnt hehe)
4.what happened to sirius body when he fell through the veil? i dont know and i dont want to guess all this thinking i got a headache!but if jkr brings him back i think it would be the next book cause if it was the 7th he would have already accepted his daeth and that would be ummm idk a big shock or something. (jesus i better stop while i am a head)
5. sirius was one of my favorite carecters and i want him back!
6. ohh yea the mirror. i never gave that much attention untill i read what you all said. i just thought she put it in there to make him fell bad cause if he listened to sirius. he would hav rememberd that he could talk to him through the mirrior and safe his liife if he rememberd that. but jkr would not do that it would be mean.

WAIT! opps we all made a mistake...I have OotP in my hands and i dont know if it means anything but sirius ducked a red spell and got hit in the chest with a jet of light. Thats what it says.And when sirius falls through it jkr calls it an ancient doorway...i dont know if that means anything,though.

duh!! the spell that "HIT" sirius the color rather was NOT mentioned!!
maybe disapperation?? maybe its a set up so harry will be safe?? we dont know we jus have to wait to find out what is gonna take place!!
now think like this... harry is vulnerable...voldermort knows this..so as a result... dumbledore and everyone in the ORDER make sure that harry thinks sirius is dead but he actually isn't...just for harry safety.
jus a suggestion though

That would just be mean to fake sirius's death, look at harrys last days in the 5th book its his worst time ever.

but if it were protecting him then go right on ahead

gossip time about sirius's death: K according to j.k.rowling in interview done by enterainment...He is sort of dead. She said that she might bring him back ....REMEMBER MIGHT! and I think killing him off really gets the story going. I believe he is really dead FOR REAL!

I believe he is really dead FOR REAL{I]

Well thats cool, but i believe he is really not dead FOR REAL. you suck at writing, how old are you 7?

i'm 14 and i was getting my opinion ACROSS. repeating words makes people remember it!

yeah, she was being emphatic, leave her alone!

thx

I have that book also, and I don't remember seeing any veiled creature...but prehaps you caught something that I didn't. As for the Sirius theroies...the only one that I actually disagree with is the fact that he left with Buckbeak. (Yeah, I have heard saying that he disapparated before her fell and then he an Buckbeak ran away...DON'T ask.) Anyway, I think that Sirius will be back, and that veil is going to really play a part. PLUS, the room that was ALWAYS to remained locked. I know that Harry is going to open it to find out just what magic his mom left in him.

i dont know if jk will think of a way to bring him back, but when she wrote it, it WAS a death, cos she said in an interview acoupla weeks b4 OotP came out, that she cried after she wrote the death

ur welcome!

J.K said that Sirius died...I never said that he didn't. I simply said he was coming back.

i dont think he will come back ( wtch is sad cuz i like sirius) but we all knew someone was gunna die and just because it was someone we liked doesnt mean he will come back (but he could! )

i'm 14 and i was getting my opinion ACROSS. repeating words makes people remember it!

so if i said, you are an IDIOT IDIOT IDIOT, that would help you remember???>

really tigereyes456 how can u say ure 14 wen u do things my little 6 year old sister does

yeah, she was being emphatic, leave her alone!

I know you just didnt tell me what to do, i can say all the shit i want to. i can tell people to **** off if i want to. so keep your mouth shut you uptight BIATCH