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It has been clearly demonstrated in the movie and various comic book franchises that the hulk gets bigger and stronger as he becomes more enraged. How big can he potentially get? Strength?

In a comic that i got when the Hulk fought Onslaught ( a being that wascreated by Charles Xavier who has the power of Phoenix, Xavier, Magento, and Franklin richards) The Hulk got so mad that he somehow released an atomic blast that blew up Onslaught's armor.

Metro i got that comic too, wasnt the whole Onslaught saga great?

I didn't know that he had Phoenix powers too. Here is something off topic: Franklin Richards is really like Neo from the Matrix. He has da power to manipulate reality, espically when he's pissed ( have u read X-men vs. the FF, crazzzzy) the bad thing is that no one can actually write him well and he seems like such a boring character.

This Anubis.

Hulk rips Onslaughts armour. He doesn't explode it. He has no upper strength limit. He has infinate strength. The madder the stronger. He can always get madder.

Well anyway. it was pretty funny how Hulk was seperated from Bruce Banner when Onslaught just got his armor taken off.

In the comic book where he fights Cable during the Onlsught ordeal, Hulk turned Grey when Cable pissed him off. The grey Hulk as shown in the naration is said to be stronger, smarter, arrogant and meaner. So i guess that his strenght can really change into another personality.

First thing grey hulk is not stronger than the green, he is just meaner and smarter (than the stupid, peaceful green hulk, not the smart one).
He acually was this way the first time he was hulk, but changed after the first night. Then he has been grey some other times too, but that is not the point.

Did hulk actualy grow in size in the comics the way he did in the movie?
I mean, I have read that thing in the onshlaugt saga when his fist grew. But I just thaught it was some artistic way to say he punched realy realy hard! He does get stronger the madder he is and there seems to be no limit.
But you can see on marvel.com bios that apocalypse (an x-men villain) is actualy stronger than the hulk.

yeah Hulk did get bigger on occasion it was known as Hulk rage, and the madder the Hulk got the les controll there was .when he got to a certain point, the Hulk just lost all controll and went after everyone and everything. As for answering your question on where hulks powers come from like how are they limitless, i dont rememebr but i know it was explained a few times by the hulks long trusted friend Doc samson, samson was a scientist who banned with Bruce to find a cure and on there expieriments samson found out alot of things icant reemmber what, but one time they were even close to a cure,samson gave bruce injections of what they thought was a cure and for a while banner would get mad and not change or he would be the hulk and suddenly just deform to banner again, but unfortunatly the lab was destroyed and all studies of there serum lost, and when banner turned again after the serum left his system he was like a super hulk for a few issues. yeah apocalypse is stronger than Hulk and most all other marvel heroes, there are quit a few ,arvel characters stronger than hulk, Hulk is still king though

he can gets as big as 15 feet and can lift a 100 tons
The Hulk possesses superhuman strength of the Class 100 level, enabling him to lift in excess of 100 tons. The Hulk only attains this strength level when he is enraged. In a totally, calm state his functional strength is significantly less, perhaps in the 70 ton range.

If he gets stronger the madder he gets, then he does have a strength limit, as the human (and mutant) brain can only get so mad.

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maybe what Hulk get mad to his villains like Leader,Abomination,Maj.Glenn Talbot,Absorbing Man,Ringmaster and Rhino and for outside Hulkvillains like Green Goblin,Doc Ock,Dr.Doom,Kingpin,Magneto,Juggernaut and Onslaught.get the Hulk smashed his villin and outside villains.if he get angry.

yea, the only person who can defeat the hulk is onslaught, well that I know of n e way

The hulk is limited only by his anger

Hulk can continue to get angrier and stronger forever. The Beyonder himself has said that Hulk has no limit to his strength.

hulk probably has a limit. Where he gets so mad that it causes like mass tension and has like a heart attack or sumtin....

Originally posted by ayjay
hulk probably has a limit. Where he gets so mad that it causes like mass tension and has like a heart attack or sumtin....

With his insane healing factor, Hulk is immune to heart attacks, or anything of the sort. Being angry doesn't cause heart attacks.

Marvel has said countless time that Hulk doesn't have a limit.

Hulk can always get stronger. He's the strongest one there is!

Nice sig,

You can see about his pic.

Originally posted by TheFilmProphet
Nice sig,

lol thanks.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
With his insane healing factor, Hulk is immune to heart attacks, or anything of the sort. Being angry doesn't cause heart attacks.


Marvel has said countless time that Hulk doesn't have a limit.

However

http://stress.about.com/cs/heartdisease/a/aa052802.htm

being Angry atually can lead to heart attacks CC

What is a heart attack to the Hulk? Grey Hulk once had a massive heart attack, and shook it off.

Originally posted by the_hulk_79
he can gets as big as 15 feet and can lift a 100 tons
The Hulk possesses superhuman strength of the Class 100 level, enabling him to lift in excess of 100 tons. The Hulk only attains this strength level when he is enraged. In a totally, calm state his functional strength is significantly less, perhaps in the 70 ton range.
you say what?

Didn't Wolverine beat Hercules in that same series?

hulk prove all the time that he hasn' t have limit.
IH: 225. Hulk is fighitng the Leader who is wielding his kenitictronic gloves. They deflect the all kenetic energy used against them back at thier foe. Hulk eventuals grows strong enough to overcome the gloves (or his own power) (3 minutes). Narration states:
"Unfortunatley the Leader has forgotten a well kown fact: The madder the Hulk gets, the stronger the Hulk gets! And when it comes to anger the Hulk knows no limits!!"

IH 198: Hulk is trapped by the Elder of the Univers known as the Collector. The collector states : "Your trapped in the most powerful forcefield at my disposal, so if your inclined to smash at something, try smashing THAT!!
The Hulk begins to pound away at the shield. Narration then states :"At first the man brutes massive fists prove ineffectual against the shimmering energy sheild--but that does not deter him--for the madder Hulk gets--the stronger Hulk gets-- and as anyone who has ever met the green goliath can tell you--HIs RAGE--And his POWER--ARE BOUNDLESS!!"

IH: 242: Hulk is trying to Destroy a massive Deviant machine built to defeat the Celestials on thier next visit. Narration states:
"He just pulls all the more, straining with every iota of his strength to rip free this infernal object...becmoming madder and madder, his strength BUILDING with his anger, as he tugs against a device built to withstand the power of gods (celestials)! But this is the power of the Hulk! AND ULTIMATLEY, THERE IS NO FORCE STRONGER THAN THE HULK!


Secret WARs 2, #8: Beyonder searches for the Hulk and finds him in the desert. Hulk attacks the Beyonder. Beyonder puts the Hulk in stasis and begins to probe him. The Beyonder says of the Hulks inner potential:
"You are nothing but power incarnate! An infinity of power with no finite element inside!! Worse yet, you remind me of someone (himself)."

IH 322: Doc Samson states: "Usually his rage makes him infinitley strong--But not this time. he hit a limit..maybe even got a bit weaker!" On the surface this may seem to indicate that the Hulk does not have limitless potential for strength. However, if one looks at the context it reveals the opposite. Samson was able to figure out that something was wrong with the Hulk. That he was sick and dying. That he was losing molecular cohesion. How did he know something was wrong with the Hulk? Because he hit a limit. Something that the Hulk should not do.

Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe 1986: "To date the Hulk has never been provoked to demonstrating the maximum output of his strength. Hench, it may have no upperlimit."

Marvel the RPG game (1998): Hulk potential strength is listed at limitless. Guys like Thor, Juggernaut are 19s. destroyer armor is 24, Drax starts at 20 but can go 25 at max (with powergem). Celestials and Galactus are listed at 30s. Hulk is the only character whos strength can potentially go beyond 30 (he starts at 19).


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As for Thor in specific in Thor 385 he states : "does the beasts strength know no limits!?!". Thor states this while lying beaten and bloody on the ground.

And in Hulk annual 2001 Thor states that the Hulk may well be stronger than any foe he has ever faced (includes Mangog? Destroyer?)And because of his strength he would have to use other methods of attack.
This is stated just after the Hulk had beaten Thor motionless in 3 blows.


Also if you look at the Crypto man incident. Crypto man started with equal to Thors strength. he and Hulk exchanged blows evenly at length. However when the Crypto man accidentally kills Jarella, The Hulk goes off the deep end. Crypto mans creator then poors even more power into

the crypto man, "enough to devastate a planet if need be" in an attempt to compensate for the Hulks increasing strength. However that utterley proves futile as the Hulk destroys him in 3 blows.

Thor also "straining every asgardian muscle" is only able to stalemate Vector, The Hulk has overcome Vectors powers on at least 2 occasions.


And then there is the fight with Onslaught. Onslaught was generating a psionic storm. None of the heroes had the strength to even get close to Onslaught, including Thor and Ironman who was being aided by Joseph. The Hulk however appeared to be on a totally different powerscale as he could not only advance against the strom, but continue the fight as if the storm had no effect on him.
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Some of the Hulks greater feats include:
: The aforementioned overcoming of the energy field that could move planets from thier orbits in TTA 79

With a super Thunderclap the Hulk is able to deflect the Nightcrawlers sonics. Once deflected the sonics showed sufficient force as to destroy the entire otherdimensional cosmos. all citizens had to teleport to another dimension to survive. IH 126

King size annual 3: Hulk strikes the ground so hard that he sends shockwaves all the way from Colorado to Denmark (other side of the planet)

Also in Kind size annual 3: Hulk with another supersonic clap is able to produce a shockwave that "puts to shame the most powerful hurricanes in the history of the planet"

IH 248: Hulk throws the Gardeners soul gem from the surface all the way into the core of a planet.

MArvel teamup guest starring SPiderman: Hulk overcomes the matter antimatter attraction between two bombs. BOth the creator of the bomb as well as bruce banner agree that overcoming the attraction should be scientifically impossible. As the attraction is a "force of nature".
Hulk not only seperates the 2 but goes further by knocking one of them millions of miles away into space.

Marvel Comics presents 52: with the Help of some gadgets that enhance his jumping the Hulk is able to leap into space to smash an asteroid that is greater than double the planet earths mass.

IH 242: The Hulk is able to grasp an energy bubble that is indicated by narration to be impossible to do. It didn't even have physical mass.... "that something--anything--should be able to grip hold of an energy should be imppossible! But the Hulk grabs hold of it just the same! The field begins to stretch LIKE a physical thing in his grasp--as he pushes and pulls with EVER INCREASING MIGHT, until--The barrier collapses!!"


Onslaught saga: The Hulk proves to be able to overpower Onslaught. and smash him with but a blow, after reaching insane anger levels. Onslaught had previously beat Juggernaut to the point of death. and in between his fights with Juggernaut and the Hulk Onslaught recieved 2 powerups. After one of which he stated "I have become even more powerful than my wildest imaginations". The Onslaught shell Hulk destroyed was far more powerful than the version that nearly killed the Juggernaut. Also Juggernaut has taken Thors godly essence blast without harm. Just to show Juggernauts power.

Also in that same comic the Hulk was battling in the face of a psionic storm that was keeping Thor at bay. Thor lacked the strength to even approach the site of the battle. Hulk stood agianst the storm unphazed by its repelling power.

Order #4. The Hulk shows sufficient strength to break out of the Silver Surfers force barrier. The Silver surfer has CASUALLY created barriers that can allow normaly humans to withstand black hole level gravity. Surfer was fully concentrating on containing the Hulk and failed due to the Hulks ever increasing anger/strength

Defenders #8 The Kree employ a technology that repels your own power against you. Each of the Defenders are trapped in a force shield comprised and powerred by this energy. Dr. Strange, Silver Surfer, and Namor all pass out attempting to break free of the force barrier. Hulk with his ever increasing strength is the only one that is able to break the barrier.

Secret Wars : A calm Hulk catches and supports at least in part, a mountian range that "dwarfs the Andes". Reed Richards attempts to make the banner controlled Hulk angry so that he doesn't tire. The banner controlled Hulk is historically horrible at getting angry.

Hulk/Sentry: A 100% calm Hulk is able to hold up a mountian long enough for the subterraneans to escape.

Also with his fight against sasquatch the Hulk looms to deliver what the narrator calls the "death blow" (it would have killed Sasquatch). Sasquatch luckily rolls to avoid the punch, but the Hulk ends up collapsing a large part of the Rocky mountian chain.

Hulk 270: Hulk fights the Abomination who has more than 2 times Hulks initial strength. After initially being overwhelmed the Hulk comes back to soundly defeat him. he beat the Abomination so badly that the Abomination developed a great fear and dread of the Hulk.
Hulk also goes on to state "it wouldn't matter if you were 10 times madder, all Hulk would have to do is get 10 times stronger"

You also have the instance of the Hulk vs the Ngarai demon in the crossroads of infinity: The demon was gutting the Hulk, and the narrator

stated that the Hulk had to remain enraged just to survive the encounter, much less defeat him. The demon was owning the Hulk severly. HOwever after noticing that his only friend was gone, the Hulk assumes that the demon had killed him. And at that point goes bezerk over the edge. The demon is then beaten unconcious in blows.

IH Vol 2, 25: After a lengthy fight with the Abomination. Abom. brings up Bettys death. This so enrages the Hulk that he caves in the Abominations skull with a single punch.

IH Vol 2, 4: Narration states "These are 4 of the most powerful beings on the planet (speaking of Ironman, Wonderman, Vison, Scarlet witch), and yet the Hulk possesses the potential to surpass even thier combined might.!"

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The hulk however is not always uberstrong. His strength is dependent upon his current anger level. At times the Hulk can be just above the Thing. At other times the Hulk can reach levels beyond any of the other heroes (on rare instances). But it is a subconcsious matter and the Hulk cannot control when or how mad he gets. Its not up to him. Thats why he at sometimes isn't strong enough to win some fights. But *potentially* he can be strong enough to overcome pretty much anyone.

end of the debate hulk hasn' have limit i prove it

"he can gets as big as 15 feet and can lift a 100 tons
The Hulk possesses superhuman strength of the Class 100 level, enabling him to lift in excess of 100 tons. The Hulk only attains this strength level when he is enraged. In a totally, calm state his functional strength is significantly less, perhaps in the 70 ton range."

Another example of handbooks being outdated. Hulk was never class 70 at the time. The only one that pll can come up with being that class is Grey Hulk and even i dont consider that version that low.

"Didn't Wolverine beat Hercules in that same series?"

People are actually using "Contest of Champions 2" for something?

I agree - Hulk's base level strength must be somwhere close to 100 tons - grey Hulk possible 80-90, obviously with green Hulk having the ability to surpass any strength level...It still amazes me that some still fail to acknowledge how strong Hulk really is (even at base level).