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Timetravel runs in loops. The original timeline of events proceeds through the first time until timetravel is created. Then someone is sent back and disrupts time therefore altering it. This can only happen once because all the events repeats itself from then on. This I believe is what is happening in the Terminator series. All the events have happened before. John Conner grows up to lead the revolution without having to deal with the Terminators when he was little. The machines decide then to send back a Terminator to destroy John Conner which begins the loop and changes time forever. The movie actually shows the sencond or later loops, because all the events as we find out in T3 have already happened before. Every time the reach the point of timetravel another loop in time developes causing a pile of time loops which will go on for infinity. hpowever these loops keep repeating. So after one loop of time has been changed it can never be changed again.

Just wanted to get everyone elses thoughts on my theory.

Everytime the terminator goes back in time , the future changes doesnt it, How can you have a big pile of loops, diffrent loops? That means diffrent dimentions? happening parallel to each other, IF infact the whole underlying story was about Kate's father being in control of skynet, why dont mention it earlier, when the terminator came back instead of going to protect kate and john, go straight the father remove him for skynet, or even in T2 , ok i have confused myself now.

First of all, I want to say that I know that all this is about a work of science fiction. The use of temporal loops in science fiction is always to invoke a little wink, wink, nudge, nudge to the reader/viewer. Temporal loops can't be solved. They will always imply a theory that can't be proved or which another theory will contradict. They are clever, (or not so clever) plot devices designed to make the viewer/reader think "Oh, so that means...” but only for a second or two. If you think about them too much, you end up here, trying to make sense of anything Saberist writes.

Having said that, there is one way to relive yourself of the "Kyle Reese is John Connors father and what about Cyberdyne/Skynet" headache.

Chaos Theory. It states that the future is made up of the sum total of all decisions that anything that can make a decision makes. That would be the future five minutes from now, or five hundred years from now. Every second of the day, we all go along making decisions to do this, or to do that. Assuming that no “thing” can affect how you make a decision, the idea of fate or destiny is disproved. If nothing can control our thoughts, and the decisions we all make determine the future, then the future is never a set outcome. The future is, literally, only the next second away.

In the Terminator series, the biggest problem is the idea that Kyle Reese is destined to be John Connors father. There is also the idea that Cyberdyne/Skynet was born out of them finding the pieces of the original Terminator. This implies that the temporal loop that brings the first T-800 back to 1984 was destined to happen. Chaos Theory says this is not the case. We have never seen the FIRST timeline.

If you let the idea that Kyle Reese is not John’s original father, and that Myles Dyson was not the primary scientist to develop the advanced microprocessor the first time, then those nasty little time loops go away. Anybody could have been John’s original father in the first timeline. Instead of meeting Reese that night, she might have had a one-night stand that left her pregnant. All Skynet knew was that the son of Sara Connor would lead the revolution.

Just because Thomas Edison invented the light bulb, does not mean that someone else would not have. He was just the first. Any one, or many, of the engineers at Cyberdyne could have developed the technology that led to Skynet. This is what could have happened in the first timeline.

The first timeline ceased to exist the instant Reese was sent back, and the SECOND timeline began when he arrived in 1984. The events of the first Terminator make up the second timeline. Reese fathers John Connor, they defeat the first T-800, Cyberdyne gets the pieces and then Myles Dyson develops the chip that lead to Skynet. This timeline allows the events of T2 to happen.

It could be said that with the advanced jump in technology that the first T-800 gave Cyberdyne, is what led to the T-1000. (If the T-1000 existed in the first timeline, Skynet would have sent it.) It could be said that all technology is advanced a great deal because it is in the second timeline that the rebels are able to “capture” a T-800 and send it back to protect Connor. If they could capture T-800’s in the first timeline everything would be different. The second timeline ceased to exist when the T-1000 and T-800 are sent back and the third timeline begins in 1991. In T2, they think that they have destroyed all information and hardware that leads to Skynet. Well we can see that they didn’t and since I am getting tired of writing, we can see that the third timeline ends and the fourth begins with “T3”. All timelines are discreet and do not loop or overlap. Problems solved, now go watch something like “Finding Nemo”.

Dr Plaid

well stated and i thought i was the only one (read my comment in the who was john connors' father or first father, whatever) who felt that it was highly unlikely that a beautiful woman, who is young, employed with her own apartment will not find a sex partner in the crowdwe city of LOS ANGELES @ such an age when women in that time peroid often look to settle down. One of the reasosn i think they portray the idea that if john doen't send kyle john can never be, it an attempt to keep sarah's character innocent and wholesome who only had sex with kyke due to his compelling story, one enough to move her to find herself attracted to him. He a soldier who's fate is to protect her. But i figured that hey if she can date guys who drive porches, then within that yer or by the following few years, whe would have met someone any settled down and maybe had a family when the waR HIT IN 1997. CONNOR BEING S SURVIVOR GROWS TIRED OF THE TRATMENT OF HUMANS AND BEING THE SON OF SPUNKY SARAH HAS HAD ENOUGH AND GATHERS HUMANS IN A PLOT TO OVER THROW THE MACHINES BEFORE THE HUMAN ARE WIPED OUT. Kyle is born in the ruins and becomes an experienced soldier qualified to be sent back to protect sarah connor. hence t1. So i agree john had another father before kyle. SARAH WOULD NOT HAV DIED A VIRGIN. i THINK the events of ti sped up the development of the machines and chip technology and the events in t2 slowed down the events of t3 and judgement day due to destroying any evidence of t1, but any development based on it since t1, but it's a matter of speeding uo and slowind down. Prevention or closure can happen only two ways: humans somehow learn their lesson or the human race looses the war and is wiped out.

this is 2 confusing, STOP IT!

But he (dulobast25) is talking the truth...about that should Mostow think, when started to write a script!

i guess its meant to be John conner would be born regardless who his daddy is and he will rise to form the resistance etc.

YEs it think so, but nobody knows it even the viewer except skynet. I guess one hint is that they never even made an attempt to kill the father, either because they had not info on him, or because from the future point of view, the father could have been anybody thus the mother who taught john was the more imprortant, the more fixed character. I think that john pretty much was destined to be born and to be sarah's son. But suppose john had a diffrerent mother.. assuming fate, it would not matter for his name would be fdifferent but fate the same.. i guess looking at it from that perspective, if john didn't step up it is likely that someone else would have and in an alternate timeline that person would be the destined one who would have been john but due to circumstances was not. In other words.. the person who was destined to lead likely would have regardless who his parents ended up being and what is name ended up being.. just a theory.

Yeah, i thinkd= sarah was under the impression that kyle had to be sent back for her son to be john but either way you look at it, sarah is the necessary element.. in the 2nd timeline kyle is the father but sarah trains john... before kyle could have been his father, john must have learned on his own but in either case the father is not as importtant, just a mother to give birth.

But he has to get somehow from father or enybody skills which make him leader. If he is now alone with no parents, no friends...he cannot get skills for his future...

he has the inate qualities to be a leader..genetic qualities, sarahs backbone that she never even knew whe had....she trained him in t1 timeline because she was told that she did it before.. in the original timeline it is likely john stepped up becasue somebody had to and remember, the events in t1 sped up judgement day...so john would have had more time to develop skills as a survivor of the war... and living in that time we would ALL learn one way or another to be a soldier of some sort. Sarah learned, and all kyle taught her was to make plastique bombs, the rest she learned herself..how to survive, i mean. the idea to go the mexico, these were he ideas when faced with a war she feels she and her son must fight....same change would have affected john when faced with judgement day, he would change from a regular kid to a person of necessity.. he would have found that inner strength that sarah did. after all she converted after battleing one terminator. What do you think john would do having to battle with amny terminators.. adapt, plan.. like his mother would have.

I think there is a daisy chane of loops more of like dime loops riding along an timeline continuum. Where the event originally happens worse but is revisited each time someone jumps in time ad it desrupts all events after that if inderectly related.

How come Skynet always sends back a terminator years after a previous one has failed. Okay the first was sent back to 1984, the next was sent in 1994 or 95. How come they just didn't send one back to either 1983 or further back. Understand what I'm saying?

No, not really.

So your asking why skynet never sent a terminator back farther in time instead of going in the future??

If this is your question there is an easy answer the time machine can only go back so far. (At least this is my guess) and there are big risks with sending someone to far back in the past the farther you go back the more you can F things up

Lets say skynet sent a terminator back in time to kill Johns Great Great grandpa and lets say it succeeded. There would be no John Connner in the future because it ended the family gene pool but what if Johns great grandpa had something to do with the computer industry or robotics industry or even a manufacturing plant he could have crated something that made it possible for skynet to be built in the first place or he could have saved the life of Dysons great grandpa or something like that.

The farther you go back in time the bigger the change in the present. A super advanced computer would relies this and not take the risk of ending its own existence

after they developed the t-1000 why not just send it back again to kill sarah connor, it seems they would just keep trying with his mother, because it supposedly the mothers teachings and warnings that helped john become the leader of the resistance so it did have more to do with his mother than john connor, i guess it never works when you try and disect the movies though

tis a movie people...let it go...

I was just making a point.

u r right but ya, just a movie. and ya, just a point, an ya ITS THE BIGGEST THING: THE TEMRINATOR

so i would say that they had 2 make things more interesting for terminator2

the plot for T-2 was great fit like a glove, and sometimes its fun to get lost in the fiction thats what ther made for

I the first terminator
film the guys at the police station are asking Kyle questions about the terminator and they ask him why didn't he bring any weapons from the future and he says that only flesh can come through the portal so how can the T1000 and the T-X get trough the portal if they are all Metal?

I think the T-1000 gets away with it because it`s technically alive.
Kyle just mentioned something about the field generated by living tissue, the mimetic polyalloy would seem to qualify as a living organism.
I suppose the T-X would use the same loophole, although it is less likely considering how little of the alloy it uses.

It's also possible time travel technology advanced, but then that would leave people to wonder why they still have to come out naked.

if its a female terminator i dont care if she comes out naked even if shes stuck in a bad movie

Amen

as long as shez nude

she is naked everynight in my dreams frankly, but uhm yeah solid metalic objects can not pass thro the time portal however bare human skin can. Perhaps its a little like your microwave, put in a donut and everything is fine, but put in a spoon on top of ur donut, u see sparks fly, however i have never really wrapped a donut around a spoon to see if the microwave particles do not bounce of the metalic surface hmm. So anyways i think the polymatic covering even though its not human skin it is a covering which sheilds the termy's metal structure from the time continium.
Ok on another point i was once on another message board and someone posed a good question, if kyle came thru and had no weapons fro mthe future, why not catch a dog stuff some weapons in it and send it thru with kyle also before the dog died. Same goes for arnie as a good termy, why not get a dog stuff some laser canons stitch it back up and send the dog back thru with arnie. MAkes u think eh!

I'ev heard of that concept before, and frankly, if you think about it, it's pretty morbid. Would moviegoers really want to see a dog with its intestines spilling out as our fearless heroes plunge their hands into its bloody underbelly to fish out weapons from the future? And on that note, you'd need some pretty big dogs to do that.

i just read that somewhere one night when someone posed that question, when you see the t800;s with their laser blasters, it looks about just right sized to fit in a german shepards frame, so in t1 kyle could have had the advantage if they put a laser canon in a dog or something and send it along with him. But obviously it is kinda gross doing it that way

It's called... a plot convenience! There is no logical sense in the T-800 being able to come back through time because it is covered in living flesh, but unable to have a gun inside it. But sod logic! The T-1000 and the covering of the TX are both organic; the TX cheats by having its weapon as part of its design. Which OBVIOUSLY means it can bring it back with it, because that is VERY different from just having a gun put inside you. Oh yes it is. Ssssh.

yes it added more twists and turns to the drama, of course with t3 and the tx having weapons ......well we all know t3 was directed diffrently!

I look at it that molecularly, the surface of t-1000 mimics humans skin,maybe iven in temperature and alters the electons rotatin around each atom to fool the machine into allowing it to got..designed with the time machine in mind or the mchine this time around was a little more advance allowing mor mallable forms of metal through but not unconvered hard steel. Mybe it always soft mimetic moving metal but it wasn't invented yet so t-100 was designed that way for that reason. the weapons issue prevents it from being a war movie which is why i feel although it would be cool to see the war, there was never anhy intenrion of showing it and onlt becasue there is so many sequels that we now want to see it casue eveything else is old, but face it a war movie is likely to be boring, it's the throwing human around and surviving shrapnel fire and going uo again multile humans and gund that make the terminator cool. how cool would it be to see human laying terminators down with a single shot from theor own plasma cannons, just like shooting humans. we would neve see thier amazing abilities, so it was a plot device, a story telling device..withoiut it, no movie and it justifiy arnold having a humn apperance and justfiys the design of the endoskeltion.

the plot wa great for t1 too, i think if they sent t-1000 back to 1984, it wouldn't be ralistic becasue fashion would be different, everybody would be older...it neede to age realisitcalliy and assuming only a yaers development of t-1000 say sent back from 2030, skynet within second sfter t-100 was sent back realized like t-800, the t-1000 failed, so thusly made "improvements" (which were not...the t-1000 is tto tough an acto to follow, don't envy mostow in that way). it is a computer's way of chising a model based on it's sucesses and failures, thusly the end of the 600 series and thus the creation of the 800 series and thus the t-1000 and tx prototypes. Funny thing is they say the tx is more advanced, but they never actually say mor advanced than t-1000. They only say over the t-800. and to me, it seem between the t-800 and th t-1000, (t-1100) would have the ability to morph and emit photon beams and change into energy form senitent matter and warp much like a minature time machine, but would have major weaknesses in magnetic fields, etc.. It is likely an issue that when skynet sends a machine back and it fails, it generates an imprive model and tries again, without knowing exclty how the previous model failed, it's just being sytematic and sending th advance mdoel would not only mak ethe movie repeditive, but whole movei woul dhave been AMOST the same with some changeds like the the punching thru the windshield scene would have killed sarah quickly and the end of the movie would come fast and the beginning woul dbe just like t1.....in addition bieng syatematic,it mjust foqure that that time period may have had stategical problems so goes after john directly. and does so when hes' aboy. like i dais eveybody would be 12 years older looking too. This way is more feesbile. I agree with earlier comment regarding going further back in time. the term went as afr back as the files it hadwas only sure of the last known address and dates and cites. Remember, it didn't knw what she looked like nor where her mother lived, or they could have killed sarahs mom BEFORE sarah was born...so they ewnt as afr abck as they conclusinvely could and went from there. Yes it is jsut a movie, but detail are okay to discuss..free country and it's fun.

wheres the money and sequels in doing all of that? lol! Its hollywood people, they wont kill off money -_-) You make perfect sense though. Who knows though, perhaps they will provide a viable explanation for skynets time transport. Maybe there are certain rules or laws (in terms of their physics or what have you).

yeah, i agree. Still wan to see arnie end his term career as an evil csm 101 with partial endo, but rather with an exposed ribcage and skull. after being fully skinned in an attempt ti kill john conner in the future and then suceeds before bing terminated by tech com speical forces.

t4 will b cool no doubt

i know i read that t4 will address the time travel part of the movie franchise, most of the terminator storyline addresses the terminators and judgement day etc etc but now the time travel portion.

i pray that they dont make an assassination movie again! plz ENOUGH OF THAT

they need to show john connors assasination. These movies aree called terminator, which is an infitrator and an assasin. It isn't callled hk4 rise of the machnies. these movie are about assasins. There will be assasinationd in t4 regardless of the war..and arnie needs to play a cameo NO t5

ya what i mean is int he future. not like backin the 90's through time travel. thats getting boring now

the only going back in time i wanna see is kyle and arnie going back thru the time displacement unit..the rest of the story should remain in present day. I hope mostow understands this!!

I agree, but (detail again) in a strange way there is not future anymore..the future is here..the history of things that came. So i agree that's the only time trave necessary. they MAYBE should show t-1000 and t-x go back with the 2nd t-800 and the t-850. And maybe show the t-50 design change from nuclear to hydrogen cells etc. but they will have to have subtitle showing the battles and skip around a bit so its' not like 2001 space odessy. war will have quiet dead spots..so they should show major battles that change the tide along with flashbacks, cameos, some storytelling and rounding off and smoothing out the problems in the plot and show what was mentione in t1 t2 and t3 that didn't get changed.

I think the timeline we see in T1 isn't even the 'original'... I think humans from somewhere well beyond the year 2029 or 2032 first invented time travel, OR, aliens came to explore Earth and were drawn by heat and conflict, and their spacecraft was used for time-travel experiments... they visited the Old West, and the jungles of South America and the concrete jungle of gangland LA, these Predators, and each time, they were met by human resistance, warriors who defeated the alien predators and sent them running away. At some point, humans took control of the time-traveling spacecraft, and tried to return to a time before the predators had damaged the timeline. Unfortunately, all this ended up doing was corrupting the timeline further, giving humans from a distant past ideas on how to vastly improve their future by inventing 'machines' to do our work for us...

Time passed and passed and the human resistance from the future kept going back and trying to alter things, but each time, the aliens still came back, and each time were defeated by man, all the while man developed machines at a greatly-increased rate in each successive time-loop...

finally, eventually the machines became self-aware, and fought back against their creators, which inspired humans to use the time-machine again, this time to prevent the machines from taking over... they try again and again and again, staying 1 step ahead of the machines, or so they hope, but they have lost focus on the real cause of the problem... unfortunately, by this time, the space-time continuum is so distorted, damaged and corrupted from all past meddling, and humans have become so certain that the machines started it all, they no longer realize or even remember that the TDE is actually from the Predator spacecraft. So, that's why Judgement Day is inevitable, thats why the future war with the machines happens no matter what; because the past history of the world is corrupted by the Predator TDE craft, long long before Sarah or John Connor were even born...

Arnold needs to meet with Danny Glover so Danny can show Arnold the wild west pistol Danny got from the Predator, and he and Arnold can figure out that this is where the problem started, in the wild west!

Schwarzenegger, Glover, Pesci, and Chris Rock as T-Doggy-Dogg69 in:
Terminator 5: The Future War of 1812!
Only in theaters, July 2032

Its mindboggling even coming from a purely fictitious point of view! OK, I thinkt Shkynet may have alternative pasts, odd as that may sound. The Cyberdyne origin of Skynet was nullified, so it became an internet virus instead.

I finally got it!! This is a must read, a very well-written explaination about time-travel in the Terminator movies.


mjyoung.net/time/terminat.html

It all makes sense now, to me

It's very well told. I liked it. Good job Zero The Hero!!!

Beware of posting links though... such a thread was closed just this minute...

But a good explanation, nevertheless...

I hope they dont close this. Every Die-hard fan of Terminator should read this page, its excellent.

There's no problem if they close this thread {as you'll still be able to see that link}. It's if they DELETE the post that you might have a problem...

But that probably won't happen...

Yeah, I'd found that one. They say that the rebels sent a defender back DESPITE KNOWING that the terminators had failed... I can't really believe the military could take down the T-1000. T3 simply contradicts their theory.

that thinking gets tricky... you have to know that once Skynet sends a terminator back, if the terminator succeeded in its mission, that future would have altered instantly and the rebels could not send back a defender from the same future the machines sent back a terminator, because that future no longer exists... so, we have to believe that the terminator failed any way, before the defender was sent back, in order that the rebels still remain in that same timeline at the point the machines send back the defender...

the movies all just show the 'best-case' scenarios of the repeating and evolving flows of the temporal anomolies, while time and participants figure themselves out and go with the flow...

I'm sure T-3 can be broken down in much the same way as the first 2 were broken down by that same N-Jump theory and explanation... as well as T4 being set-up and explained in the same manner... it will just take a good writer, with a solid grasp of all that needs to happen to affect all that has happened, without much deviation or distortion, in order to complete the story...

there will have to be some scene at the end of the final movie, to explain either going back and erasing all previous installments, reverting to the original N-timeline, where no machines no SkyNet no war... or to reflect the humans defeating the time-travelling, but not preventing the war because the Judgment Day was inevitable, and just going forward with whats left over of humanity and the planet in post-apocalpytic 'bliss'...

in the end, we have to remember 'history is written by the winners' and since the voice-over narrations at the beginnings and ends of the movies so far have been humans, we have to know that humans will ultimately be victorious over the machiens, regardless how many times the machines try to stop us...

Bumping, as it makes for good discussion.

Very good discussion.

What about the fact that Reese has the same photo taken of Sara?

I guess that theory in the second link clears things, but that's something I've always wondered about.

The whole timetravelling-thing has gotten me thinking all over again again....and again.
Thus watching all three movies again two times was necessary+ all the extras etc...;

The 1st movie can't be the first timeline, because John must have been born firstly out of an unknown father(in another timeline) to be THE John Connor in the timeline of Reese(before he was sent back to 1984).
The photo made of Sarah at the end of T1 got me thinking about the multiple timeloops-issue before the actual first movie.
Reese has this exact same photo in the future>>>how did he get it if you count that the T1 timeline isn't even the first timeline?, ok, John gave it to him, that I know.
The first father possibly has been killed by another terminator, trying to protect Sarah and her unborn son in an unseen timeline, Sarah somehow destroys or escapes the Terminator and the photo is shot in exact the same way as seen in T1 with the same sad expression on her face. So in the T1-time Reese replaced the dead father as John's new father for an altered timeline.
Reese said in T1 that John’s father died before the war, but actually was talking about himself in the past tense>A timeloop I haven’t figured out yet.
This could mean there must have been another protector before Reese, from yet another timeline, who could tell her all these horrible future events.
And not forgetting that even before these unseen timelines another timeline existed just to make John the big future leader which The Machines are so frustrated by to send a Terminator through time.
In the unseen future timeline Reese must have been a super loyal soldier, confident and friend to John Connor(he trusts on Reese’s experience to send him on a dangerous mission on which they discover the timedisplacement sphere)and so the T1 timeline is setup.
By the way; Reese volunteered for this mission(his reason to meet Sarah Connor)….John just told too much, but he had to if he would get Reese convinced and get him in love with Sarah.
So in this instance the altered timeline(T1) now gives us a hint why John sends his new father(Reese) back to 1984, not only to be a protecter for Sarah(and himself) but also to be his father.
The other thing that bothers me is that Reese explained in T1 that Sarah would teach John how to prepare for the future war, how to fight, which means she must have known from another timeloop-event how to deal with the coming storm.
OR she just used her motherly instincts to protect her son at all costs from whatever threat or whatever the future might bring them(in this case I’m still talking about an unseen timeline).
In this case it also means that different timelines cross eachother for obvious reasons>this could mean that time is restoring itself because it is simply NOT correct the way things happen…..a simple word called DESTINY.
I’m going crazy about this, just thinking about this stuff…if I’m wrong all the timelines and T-movies are one big timeloop happening all over and over.
Like when the t101 says in T3>”Judgement Day is inevitable!”

Next issue>>>Cyberdyne Systems and CyberResearchSystems(CRS) and Skynet!:

The (multiple) unaltered timeline ‘should’ orderly be exact the same timeline as for T3, except a few changes(see previous and next explanation).
The timeline for T1 has been changed by the sending of Reese, that's all.
The timeline for T2 got an acceleration from the already altered T1-timeline>>>Terminator remains laying in the Cyberdyne Industrial Machines-factory.
The timeline for T3 has only minor differences, but isn’t changed dramatically(timeleap-wise).

Explanation;
CyberdyneSystems(Miles Bennet Dyson/Civil branch) and CyberResearchSystems(Robert Brewster/Military branch), where already part of the Government>Defense.
They would have proceeded with their ideas normally taking the unseen timeline as a point of view, but they didn’t as we figure out throughout the three movies.
It could have been that CyberResearch was a far better and advanced corporation(perhaps already working on something like Skynet) at the time of T1, but they just let their sister-corporation develop it for them(to cease control of it when finished) which could have been done post-1984.
Don’t forget that both Cyber-corporations were inventing revolutionary things(think technology), but Cyberdyne accelerated when they got the 1984terminator-remains.
Put it in the hands of a good scientist(Dyson and his team) and technology takes a big leap forward(see T2).
As Reese explained in T1 that CyberdyneSystems developed the Skynet technology for the Government/Defense(to which CyberResearch is directly linked…if I may guess).
When Cyberdyne was destroyed during the events of T2 all development was rerouted to CyberResearch>>>Defense was in direct control of Skynet-development.
Perhaps the two corporations would have worked together to finetune Skynet(as we learn that Robert Brewster was boss of Skynet and John would have met him before the events of T2>>>as told in T3) from an unchanged-time point of view.
Ok, so eventually CyberdyneSystems gets destroyed(the Cyberdyne Building, the chip, the arm, Dyson’s work and back-ups) as we witnessed, taking us almost back to the “original” timeline and thus the T3-timeline(except a few minor changes).
Not all Dyson’s back-ups were destroyed as we learn from a deleted T3-scene.
The patterns for most of the technology CRS created were inherited from Cyberdyne Systems>Dyson’s “Lost” Back-up-tapes, which could also explain the difference in the HK-designs from T2 to T3.

John is just destined to meet Brewster(Kate and Robert), to survive and to be in loads of shit as a future Human Resistance leader.

Timeparadox-inconsistencies;

The Skynet database altered with each new future so the t101’s database(of things to come) can NEVER be correct overall(each timeline>each movie).
As each time he tells different dates of Judgement Day and he tells different stories of people involved in Cyberdyne(Skynet) creative history, which ofcourse is also very logically correct for each timeline.
This one also goes for Reese’s knowledge of the past/future timesense.
With each changing of timelines all knowledge of history(past and future) changes cumulative as it should.
T3 is the most recently changed timeline and most reliable as for database-knowledge.
“No fate” gets new meaning if you take my explanation as a point of view>As John said at the end of T3 that he’ll never stop fighting(he’ll never stop timetravelling)!

The timeparadox gets changed every time over and over which means 10 timelines from now everything we know can be totally different.
Still….This one is true>John WILL be the LEADER of the Human Resistance against Skynet and the Machines. He WILL send Reese…………………………………………………

Reply reply reply......please, bitte, por favor, alstublieft.......where is everybody??????

The first movie is a casual loop. Reese is always the father. He always has been and always will be. The future is set. The Terminator always fails. The future is caused by trying to change it.