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Darth Vicious
evil face Whatup Guys , Since this is a SH section i assume some if not most of you read comic books, if any of u do, Which titles u like the most?, What has been ur favorite storyline of all time? and what r u currently reading?, wink hopefully no one wont be ashamed to post about it!

DemonicGambit
I'm insanely obessessed with X-Men,

Some of my others are:

Young Justice
Teen Titans
Spiderman
Batman
Robin
Superman
{And I was into SuperBoy, but they cancelled that...}

Darth Vicious
Im pretty much a Marvel zombie, most comics that i read are Marvel comics, about 95%!

DemonicGambit
I wanna find some good Marvel titles, any suggestions? I mean, I'm pretty much lost except for X-Men, Spidey, Fantastic Fou and...um, is Blade Marvel's?

I think it's cause, DC has so many different comic versions of the same character.

P-NuT
Spiderman because of the seemingly endless list of cool villains.

borgasm???
spiderman (complete disregard to the popularity), and wolverine too ( who is also joining the super hero all star list.) it kind of irks me that they are so cliche, but maybe they are so popular bacause sometimes millions of people agreeing on one thing is for a good reason.

Wolverine's ORIGIN is the coolest storyline yet, with even cooler art.

Darth Vicious
Yup i agree "Origins" was pretty good and also if u guys havet read "The Sentry" u guys should its an awsome storyline and as far as the X-men my favorite storylines are Ageof Apocalypse, Onslaught, E for Extintion and the classics such as Phoenix saga, Exxecutioners Song, In Spider man, Ultimate Spiderman is awsome and Maximum Carnage from a few years ago and nything with the Black Cat in it!

Metroplex
Origins was pretty good. now we know where Wolverine comes from, the only thing i didint likd about itwas how it ended. I really like the new batman comics with Jim Lee pencilling it. The Daredevil stroy is pretty good too. Right now in the comic, Daredevil's identity is revealed by someone who works for Kingpin and everone is after him now.

MaverickIce
Well you know about me Darth. But, can i make a few complaints? Here they are:
Chuck Austen's Uncanny
Chuck Austen's Captain America
Chuck Austen's is going to take up Avengers (I loved Red Zone)
Morrisons leaving New X-men
Mark Waid leaving FF
FF art style (it didn't go with Unthinkable.)
No more Black Panther, which was the one of the best books by far.

Good things:
Hulk's getting better
I can't wait for 1602
Avengers/JLA is almost here
Amazing Spider-man is good
Ultimate Spidey. 'Nuff Said
FF
DareDevil
Ultimates
Avengers.

MaverickIce
Also, Score for Darth in actually making this thread.

Metroplex
I really love the Ulimate titles: Ultimate Daredevil, The Ultimates, Ultimate Spidey and ultimate X-men. Really good story lines.

Darth Vicious
Is there an Ultimate DD, i stoped sollecting comics about 2 1/2 yrs ago and recently started again which i dont have to say im kinda lost for most titles except X-men which i always boughtin a regular basis!

duffy
Everyone should read the marvel max title Alias its amazinly good but is coming to an end soon sad

MaverickIce
I never really picked it up. Is there any TPB I can check out?
O yeah, one of may favorite stories is Bloodties (exodus, avengers, x-men crossover), Onslaught, and have any of you read Secret Wars? Also does anyone know what the Avengers/JLA crossover going to be about?

Metroplex
I only have the conclusion of the secret wars where Warlock gets the infinity glove. Dont really know what happened before that

duffy
Yeah the TPBs will be out quite soon i think

When it ends with issue #28 the main character Jessica Jones will join a new non-MAX series called 'the Pulse' which will co-star JJJ and Ben Urich and will take place at the bugle.

Metroplex
I think its only a miniseries. Its called Ultimate Dardevil and Electra. Its mostly about Electra and how she became an assasin and how her new profession interfere's with MAtt's moral choices. Really good.

Metroplex
If you are a big X series fan, go to http://www.snikt.com/COTA/index.htm They have lots of bios and comic guides for the X titles.

BOPRecruit 16
i love reading:

The Amazing Spider-Man
Spider-Man Unlimited
X-Treme X-men
X-Men:Evolution
Batman: Gotham Adventures
Gotham Girls
Spawn
Spider-Man and Daredevil Crossovers
*used to buy Sonic the Hedgehog and movie based comics*
(Anime: Inu Yasha and Tenchi Muyo)

i read mostly spider-man comics. i read the essentials, almost done with vol. 2. i collect mostly the comic books from the 80's and some other one's. most of them are quite old, so i keep them in their rappings and special collector's casing. i love x-men movies, and x-evo toon! after i saw the movie of spawn, i started reading the comics and drawing him. love his powers and suit.

Good Spawn Quote:

"the descisions that we make now, help decide who we're going to be for the rest of our lives." ~Collieon

haven't read comic books in a while, mostly mangas these days, but i'll get back to spidey!

MaverickIce
I'm I the only one who thinks Dr.Doom and Magento should get there own ongoing series? I'm I also the only one who thinks Frank Queitly is not that good of an artist?

Darth Vicious
I only agree that they should get their own ongoing series only if it is done right and as for Frank Queitly if hes the guy thats been doing X-men while i wasnt a big fan at first ive gotten used to his style!

MaverickIce
I dunno, for some reason, it just irks me... Have any of you read Avengers Forever? Great stuff.

Darth Vicious
Yup, really good stuff, i like Carlos Pachecos art!

MaverickIce
Are you guys intrested in Marvel 1602, its done by the artist who did Orgin I believe. Wouldn't it be awesome to have a Black Panther, Batman Crossover. They are both dark characters, with rich alterego. They are both members of a internationly known team (JLA, Avengers) though not that close, and they seem like they would get along well. Any thoughts?

Darth Vicious
yup im looking forward to 1602 not to mentioned i love Andy Kuberts art!

MaverickIce
Alright, I got this game off Superherohype.com , but it basically is a game where I would pick a character off the MU, and with 15 questions, u all would try to guess him. Has to be yes or no. Whoever guess right picks another character and so on.
Easy example: Magneto
1)Guessers: Are you male?
Yes
2)Are you a mutant?
yes
3)Are you part of a team?
no
4)Do you support the X-men?
no
5)some random guy: Apocalpyse?
no
6)were you made before 1970?
yes
so on for 15 questions and if no one guesses it you go for another time.
Anyone wanna try?

DemonicGambit
That sounds like fun

Darth Vicious
lets do it!

Metroplex
Ok i got one anyone wanna guess???

Darth Vicious
yeah, go ahead

MaverickIce
is he male?

Metroplex
yes

Darth Vicious
Can he fly?

MaverickIce
Is he a mutant?

MaverickIce
This is taking too long. Have anyone of you read Black Panther. I think its one of Marvel's best titles, and Jemas being Jemas CUT it. It would have thrived to Punisher or more popularity if he was promoted enough!

Metroplex
No he cant fly. And yes he is a mutant.

MaverickIce
is he part of the x-men

Metroplex
yes

MaverickIce
Is he part of the Uncanny X-men

Metroplex
hmmm. i dont collect uncanny x-men anymore, but he was in the uncanny x-men comic books that i have. Old ones

Darth Vicious
Is he blue?

Metroplex
he has a blue suit in comics yes

Darth Vicious
Is he a doctor?

MaverickIce
Does he wear ruby quartz sunglasses?

Metroplex
hahahha yeah.

Metroplex
and no he is not a doctor

MaverickIce
Cyke.

MaverickIce
Cyclops. whatever

DemonicGambit
Can I just guess at who it is?

We'll I think its Angel

Metroplex
Nope Maverick ice got it. Its Cyclops

MaverickIce
Alright, I got one!

MaverickIce
demonicgambit, your sig is kinda Depressing!

Darth Vicious
OMG, has any of u guys been reading the current Jime Lee run on Batman(#608-current) is awsome, i just got the latest issue and the ending is a real shocker, specially for those who know about Batmans comic book history, pick up issue #617, u wont be dissapointed!

DemonicGambit
I know...I wrote it all by myself!!

I'm ashamed to say I haven't been reading Bat's lately, but know I gotta pick up that issue!!!

Darth Vicious
Believe me Demonic u wont believe ur eyes as to who the bad guy is behind all of Batmans troubles lately!

DemonicGambit
Ah, don't do that to me right now!! I'm at my big brother's on vacation and can't get to a comic store!

Darth Vicious
Maybe ill post the last page so u know who it is, you wont believe it!

MaverickIce
Is it coming out in Hardback?

Darth Vicious
Im pretty sure it will!

Metroplex
I realy like what their doing with Catwoman and Batman in "hush". I started collecting the "Hush" series starting when Batman getting a surgery from his fall all the way until "Hush" is revealed to be... ill let Darth Vicious have the honors of revealing him hehehehe. Its a really amazing story. Hope Jim stays on Batman series. His art is incredible

There already is a hardback of it http://www.dccomics.com/features/BatmanHush/ here's a contest to win it.

DemonicGambit
Oh please post!! please!?

MaverickIce
When is the hardback coming out for da public, and is Nightwing in it?

Darth Vicious
Alost every villain and ally is in it, thats why its sooo good!

Darth Vicious
This is it guys, for those of u that dont wish to see it i suggest u look away!

Darth Vicious
Here it is, the villain revealed, comic books shock of the year!

Metroplex
wonder how he survived??? I got the comic where he got blown up by the Joker and Batman buried him. Jason was full of rage as said in the pic of the post, but hegave up his life to save his mother. I wonder wy hes so pissed at Bats. Well looks like i have to get the next comic to figure out.

DemonicGambit
eek! OH HOLY S---!! I can't believe IT!!! Wow.... eek! big grin Wow...I'm speechless, I HAVE to get that!!!!!

Darth Vicious
I told u it was good, that was Batman #617 the latest one, theres only 2 more issues of the "Hush" storyline by Jim Lee, and i too wondered how he survived and why they brung him back since i remember the fans voted to kill that Robin in the first place!

hayden's minx
Not to sound totally off topic but I like darkhorse comics.
BTW - Maverickice - loving the sig mmmm Shawn Ashmore.

Darth Vicious
Dont Drakhorse has the Star Wars comics?

MaverickIce
Yo haven't you read where Ra la ya or whateva's Lazaureth Chambers are supposedly moved and used by a different person or something.

Darth Vicious
The Lazarus Pits, the ones that Ras Al gul uses i believe u r talking about, but i dont know much about Baman mythology only from the few comics that ive read and the animated series but in the comics say that once its used they cant be used by a different person or something like that!

MaverickIce
I thought that is was used to bring Jason Back to Life!

MaverickIce
Theroies from Superhero Hype boards! It's awesome! eek!

okay, i have just read through the series thus far for a second time, taking notes on clues that i have found. understand, i think while there may be multiple people to this hush character, i mostly think it is thomas elliot, so dont be surprised if most of my clues relate to him. feel free to add anything of relevance that i missed. so here it is:

issus #609
after huntress rescues batman from crime alley, hush watches them from above.

HUSH: "without friends no one would chose to live. though he had all other goods."

to me 'though he had all other goods' is a direct reference to bruce. and as a child tommy was bruce's only friend.

#610
Batman is out looking for killer croc when tommy comes to visit bruce (this is after tommy operated on bruce's fractured skull). alfred tells tommy that bruce is out looking for a lady.

TOMMY: as his surgeon and old friend tell him something for me? this is a dangerous game he is playing.
ALFRED: sir?
TOMMY: this going out and about when he should be home. alone. dangerous.

in this issue we learn tommy's father died. tommy became pissed at bruce because bruce promised him that his dad would save his dad.

after batman re-captures killer croc, hush watches from a rooftop. next to him on the roof top is a large sign made from cutout letters (you know like the hollywood sign) that spells 'ROBINS'

#612
batman and superman track poison ivy down to the metropolis plaza.

batman (caption box): Metropolis Plaza. tommy and i stayed here as kids.

not necessarily saying tommy (if hush) orchestrated her to stay there, but i thought it should be mentioned.

#613
bruce, selina, tommy, and leslie tompkins are at the opera. as the opera begins bruce and selina are still talking.

TOMMY: HUSH, you two! it's starting. i dont want to have to seperate you two.

#614
After batman beats the crap out of joker, hush watches from a rooftop. At this point tommy is supposedly dead. Hush flips a scarred two-face like coin.

#615
we learn tommy was killed with a GCPD issued 9mm glock.

Hush reveals himself to the joker as Harvey Dent and gets him bailed out of jail.

#616
Batman kidnaps talia head from lex corp one jet. in a caption box he mentions that he is counting on reprocussions from luthor for this.

the vice president reports to luthor that they have confirmed it was batman on the plane, and asks if he wants to take any action about it. luthor responds with a devious smile on his face:

LUTHOR: Not yet.

Dent reveals to gordon that he is the one who called him and sent him to the alley that night batman beat up the joker, and that it was his revolver, that he returned to the department when retiring from commisioner, that shot tommy.

Ra's tells batman that one of the few remaining lazerus pits has been used, rendering it useless. then:

RA'S: Ask yourself detective, who in your life would wish to come back from the dead?

#617
Hush refers to robin as 'pretender'

while huntress is affected by scarecrows gas, and fighting catwoman, this is what she says.

HUNTRESS: we didnt know.
CATWOMAN: we?
HUNTRESS: when we took the MONEY. for the bike. the equipment. the NEW UNIFORM. we checked the guy out. he was clean. the money was clean or we wouldn't have taken it. but...when they KILLED him, i knew it was all going to unravel.
CATWOMAN: huntress. i dont have the slightest idea what you're talking about.
HUNTRESS: I saved his life. not that he'd ever THANK me, but if i hadn't put him in the car...i KNEW he'd figure out me being near CRIME ALLEY was too coincidental. Tha i'd be the first one there. I'm not afraid of you.
CATWOMAN: are you...on something?
HUNTRESS: it's going to get worse before it gets better!
CATWOMAN: HUNTRESS! something has you out of your mind.
HUNTRESS: you cant take away what we are now.
CATWOMAN: im taking you down before you hurt anybody. including me.
HUNTRESS: no! we can stop them if we stop fighting.
CATWOMAN: huntress, i'll stop fighting when you start making sense. why cant you recognize me?
HUNTRESS: your me. you're what i used to be. what i cant be anymore. I am not afraid of you!

I think that dialogue reveals that huntress has something to do with all this, but it also raises many more questions.

Not sure if there is any relevance to the lyrics used but here is the lullaby the scarecrow sings:

SCARECROW: Hush little baby dont say a word mommas gonna buy you a mockingbird. and if that mockingbird dont sing, mommas gonna buy you a diamond ring. and if that diamond ring turns brass, mommas gonna buy you a looking glass. and if that looking glass gets broke, mommas gonna buy you a billy goat. and if that billy goat wont pull, mommas gonna buy you a cart and bull. and if that cart and bull turn over mommas gonna buy you a dog named rover. and if that dog named rover dont bark, mommas gonna buy you a horse and cart. and if tha thorse and cart fall, mommas gonna buy--

batman cuts him off. by this point scarecrow has already sprayed batman with his fear gas, but nothing he is not affected by it.

SCARECROW: I dont understand. my fear gas should have affected you. unless your mind has already been infected by another.

Hush reveals himself as Jason Todd.

Its hard to decipher all this. im probably missing clues, but so far everything i have gathered only confuses things, rather than clarify. i could make guesses about stuff, but i'm not going to. but in the 2 issues to come we are going to be seeing A LOT from large number of fore-mentioned players. huntress, jason, tommy (i think), luthor, possibly clay face, dent, maybe gordon, geez...i have no idea whats going on. feel free to add anything else that you have noticed, or any sense you can make of this.

Or this one which says a tommy two face partnership.

Ok, The Villians cover to #619 shows Clayface, however looking at it the doesn't appear to be an image of Jason Todd. (This is also quite possibly due to the fact that the images were purposely leaked prior to the release of #617 with its shock conclusion). However if this is the cover that DC is running with, don't you think its weird that a player as central as Jason is to this story line is missing.

Also if it is showing Clayface, this indicates to me at least that he is yet to make an appearance (in his true form at least). Its going to be hard to bring Clayface in now and a new player, so imagine that he has been there all along. Who has he been impersonating? Theres a few options -

(1) Catwoman - thats kind of a gross out for starters and it doesn't seem like DC would have its core character kissing another guy (despite how foxy he/she looks)

(2) Alfred - Crap, but i thought I should through it up in the air before someone else did.

(3) Jason Todd - Yep, its a possibility. But if this is the case, I think that he has also been impersonating someone else.

Which leaves us with two other possible characters Clayface has been impersonating-

(4) Tommy Elliot. Obvious I know. I don't think so. I've never quite got Tommy's role in the story. If Hush does turn out to be Tommy, I'll be disappointed because it's so damn obvious (so much time was dedicated to him). Or Tommy could turn out to be a huge red herring.


(5) Harvey Dent - Whats to say Clayface hasn't taken on the form of the reformed Harvey Dent. Why? i'll get to that in a second. This explains the bandages. They weren't from Harvey's surgery, they're to cover up the fact that Clauface can't stay in another form for too long.

Clayface isn't a smart guy right.` Which means he's being manipulated. But by whom? I conclude that the orchestrator behind this all is ........ Two - face.

Why?

Two-Face has played prominent roles in Loeb's tales before.

He's manipulated all the villians throughout the storyline, something the real Harvey's cunning mind is capable of.

Two Hush's? Sounds like the work of Two-face don't you think?

But, how did harvey realise that Batman was Bruce Wayne? Simple - Tommy Elliot!

Tommy has known Bruce was Batman for years, after becoming obsessed with his former friend. His motive - He blames Thomas wayne for the death of his father. Bruce got an extra couple of years with his parents that Tommy missed out on, so he wants revenge. He's waited until the time was right, and then employs Two-face as his accomplice under the condition that once batman is dealt with, he will restore harvey's face.

Tommy and Harvey set up Tommy's "death" together. Yes he was almost dead (he took a drug that made it seem that way), but Two face revived him in the lazarus Pit.

So through Tommy's knowledge of bruce being Bats (years of obsessing led him to putting it all together), he naturally realised that Jason todd was robin. After learning of Jason's death, Tommy finally decided to take action, planning for quite sometime how he would bring down Batman, or more importantly - Bruce Wayne.

Why do I think this? It's the perfect scape goat for DC - They still get the wow factor of a reformed Harvey and revived Jason, but will take it back over the next 2 issues to avoid ongoing negative feedback. Anyhow, that's just my little theory.

Cool huh.

Metroplex
I think that it can be both JAson and Two Face. Like when Hush took off his bandages and revealed to Joker that he is Harvey Dent and when some othe Hush reveals that he is Jason.

Darth Vicious
Its funny because when i read BM 617 i realized that through the whole "Hush" storyline the kept making references to Jason Todd and for some reason i keep thinking that Tommy Elliot its still alive, so its m believe that it is him that orchestrated everything because think about it someone mustve put Jason Todd in the Lazarus Pit because while its plaussible that he couldve survived(doubtful) the explosion theres no way he couldve gotten to a Lazarus pit by himself, so someone took him there and brainwashed his mind over the years and who better to bring someone to life than a doctor and who better to brainwash somebody close to Batman than someone that knows Batman as long as tommy Elliot and i also think they revealed who Hush was too early because to me if it was only jason todd they wouldve waitted for the last 2 issues so in my opinion theres someone orchestrating all of it and if it aint Tommy Elliot its someone else!

Metroplex
I think it would be pretty stupid to make Tommy Hush since he was only introduced during the whole Hush thing. But now that i look at it, i think that it is a possibility since during the comic, Bruce had a lot of Flash backs of his days with Tommy. In one part, Tommy said "You have to think like your enemies to beat them" when they were playing a game. Also he blamed Bruce for telling him that his Dad will be okay when his parents were in the car accident, but it turned out that Bruce's dad couldnt save Tommy's dad. So i guess that Tommy probably didnt get over that. but it would be pretty stupid story.

113
Superman fights Doomsday and dies is just a classic, and an epic at that

Shadow_King
i'm obsessed by the x-men comics and thor comics and all i want to read are the comics that stan lee did for x-men which were only 6 or 7 comic books

ragesRemorse
does anyone know the name of this series im looking for, it was the marvel universe all the marvel heros were involved and some died, i believe it was only about four isseues long i lost them with my stolen comics and i forgot the name and am trying to get them back but i forget the name

MaverickIce
The onslaught saga of X-men i think, Heroes reborn.

Shadow_King
i always liked onslaught

ragesRemorse
no it wasnt onslaught, dammit this is gonna give me a brain annuerism, the x-men were barley in it

MaverickIce
Contest of Champions? Infinity Gauntlet? Secret Wars?

Metroplex
Is it new or old????

Metroplex
Hey i got the next issue of the Hush story. Turns out that Hush is not Robin. The Robin was actually Clayface.

Darth Vicious
I know, it sucked because it wouldve been cool if he turned out to be Robin, i just hope Hush its not a lame villain!

Metroplex
well Hush seems to know almost everything about Batman so im guessing that its someone who is close to him.

Darth Vicious
My guess is that Tommy Elliot and i wonder what part Huntress is playing in all that!

MaverickIce
Arazel (the guy who replaced batman when his back was broken by Bane), Or a two face, tommy alliance, Tommy Elliot is WAAAAY too obvious.. The last panel, Hush says "What is a friend....a soul in two bodies..." That has to pointing towards Tommy, Two-Face alliance

Darth Vicious
I Agree, while Tommy Elliot seemes to be the obvious choice everything also points out to 2 face, again i just hope it dont turn out to be some stupid character!

MaverickIce
Yes I know I just brought back a two month old dead thread back.... But...

Did you guys like the Ending of Hush, it was kinda weak..

Do you guys read Flash, I love how Professer Zoom made Flash forget his identity (and everyone else), and now he's relearning how to use the Speed Force. Its also cool that he hates the Flash because of the Blitz arc. Perfect Jump on point! READ IT DAMMIT!

Also I reallly did Superman/Batman. Its awesome and definetly deseveres a look, I post some pics later.

Also, pick up Outsiders, it has Nightwing, Arsenal, and Metamorpho on ONE TEAM! This is after graduation day where the Titans split up.

One more thing, pick up teen titans, it just restarted and a bunch of new people just joined (robin, superboy, impulse who just changed his name to Kid Flash in the tradition of Wally etc.) and get into conflicts with the old dudes (cyborg, Beast boy) and I'm LOVING it.

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