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On the original Batman, which is also my favorite, Batman finds out that the Joker kills Batman's parents. But then in Batman Forever they say that Two Face kills his parents. I don't get it. Something here doesn't make any sense, or do I not know what I'm talking about.

Batman was making a comparison between Joker killing his parents and Two-Face killing Robins parents. Put the captions on your TV and watch it again, then you'll understand.

who killed them in the comic books and toon? neither makes sense because they don't seem old enough to have done so when bruce was young.

The Joker was in his late teens when he killed batmans parents.

I dont think Batman ever found out who killed his parents.

Go watch Batman the movie again.

Yeah but thats a fake story line.

In the comic book, Batman doesn't know anything about his past.

Yes he does, and no I don't think he knows who killed his parents in the comic, but then again. I haven't read one in a while

He doesn't for a fact. He did for a little bit but that was during the Crisis on Infinte Earths shit.

if batman knew who kiled his parents he wouldnt have cracked and became the dark knight, and the dark knight series is the best batman comics

they only reason burton wrote in the movie that joker killed his paretns was to show the vengeance aspect of batman which is a big part

First off the movies are what we comic savvy people would call "elseworlds". Basically that means taking a character out of his or her normal settings and giving them a new and original one.
The comics that are not elseworld are part of the stories continuity or orgininal storyline which is only in the comics. In the Batman continuity it was a petty thief a "nobody" who was just desperate, that killed Bruce Waynes Parents.
The reason I quoted this post is because it is incorrect and a common misconception. Batman, despite popular belief, is not after revenge. He is not going after all the criminals in Gotham because his parents were killed by someone he doesn't even know. What he is doing is trying to PREVENT the horrible trauma that he endured from being placed on any other person not take revenge for it.

In recent issues of Batman they mention that he doesnt know who killed his parents which to me doesnt make sense because he is the worlds greatest detective and he shouldve figure it by now!

I disliked how they wrote in the Joker killing Bruce Waynes parants in the first movie. I see it like this, in the comics Bruce doesnt know who killed his parants it was just a random act of violence on the streets of Gotham City. Since he was helpless to save them he needed to make sure he wouldnt be helpless again to save anyone else. This fueled his need for taking vengence on criminals and guiding him throughout his life as Batman. No matter how many criminals he put away the pain he felt from his parants death would still be there and he would always be batman. I am pretty sure there were a few story lines where he wanted to stop being batman but couldnt.

Now in the first Tim Burton movie he discovers that the Joker killed his parants, when the Joker dies in the end that would give Bruce some sense of closure. He wouldn't have any need in his life to keep being batman. That sort of kills the whole idea of batman, it is not the car or the gadgets or the suit that makes Bruce, Batman. It is his overwhelming desire to hunt down all criminals that makes Batman who he is.

Just my personal opinion.

there have been several verisons in the comics who killed the waynes..first it was a mugger named joe chill,pre-crisis batman tracked him down in a story from the late 50's i belive and joe chill died from a heart attack..after the crisis,at least i think thats when this story came out it was in the storyline of batman year two which was collected in a trade paperback,then there was a novel written about batman and then made into a one shot which is out of the batman continuty,where martha wayne was involved trying to stop a child porn ring and the mugger was hired to silence her,good story i forget the book title,but as far as i know it is still joe chill that killed the waynes.....now the jokers origin goes back to a early batman story where he is chasing the crimanl the red hood(think thats his name)but he escaped from batman it shows later that he escaped by going thru the drain pipes of a chemical factory the chemicals doing its magic and made him the joker...i belive this storyline orginaly in the late 40's but don't quote me was redone in the killing joke one shot also a book worth getting,none of the batman movies are true to the batman books as a whole..two face didn't kill dick graysons parents a mobster did wanting protection money from the circus and dick was 10 not in his late teens,batgirl is comminser gordons daughter(though in early stories she is really the commishners brothers daughter who died and the commishner and his wife adopted her)poison ivy got into crime to make the batman fall in love with her...late 60's story that introduced her...looks like i am rambling on sorry but thats the answer joe chill killed batmans parents

i really didnt like the idea of batman finding who killed his parents in year 2, but when i heard it wasnt chill i was relieved and hope that batman doesnt find out who killed his parents. it wouldnt be as dramatic as it is in batman if he found out, seriously.

Hegemon's right. If a movie says something, that doesn't mean it's the same way in the comic books.

The movies almost always fails to deliver the full potential of a written story that's been derived from a book or comic book. With the Batman series it's no different.

I was very disappointed when the movie version decided to place Joker as the killer of Bruce Wayne's parents. This completely altered the aura which made the character of Batman so intriguing in the first place.

Also, just because in the comics Batman never knew who killed his parents doesn't make him any less than that of the world's greatest detective. His parents were murdered when he was just a small child. And, as depicted in the comics, it was a random, senseless act of violence. Because of this, it would make tracking down the killer that much more difficult, especially since Bruce Wayne doesn't actually become Batman until he grows into an adult. So much can happen between the age of childhood to that of someone who eventually becomes full grown.

If any of you follow America's Most Wanted, I'm sure most of you heard about what happened to John Walsh and his family. To this day, the mystery behind the kidnapping and murder of his son, Adam, has remained unresolved. Does a tragedy like this make him, his show and his collection of law experts any less than remarkably efficient in their quest to make our world a better place by exposing criminals through the power of the media? No.

So, in the same regard, just because Batman hasn't been able to resolve the issue of his parents' death doesn't make him any less of an extremely skilled detective in the comic book world.

But, if you go with the notion of Joe Chill being the man responsible for killing Bruce Wayne's parents, then it's mystery solved and that's that. Yes, in the earlier comics there were a few issues that pegged Joe as the man who killed the Waynes.

Personally, I like the idea of Bruce Wayne/Batman never learning the truth about who actually killed his parents until maybe some weird story has it where he encounters some old, dying man that's stuck in a nursing home that rambles on and on about the crimes he committed as a young adult. Can you imagine the dilemma Bruce would end up in if he went to visit some old guy in that same nursing home, who just happens to share the same room with this old rambler who admits to committing a horrible crime some 30 years ago? I can just see this little shocked face on his if he discovered the truth in some weird way like that.

I read this story Batman comic book which had reminiscences from Batman's year two. The murderer's son featured in it, as did someone or other pretending to be that clean gardening vigilante from Wayne's Second year as Batman.

The Joker killed batmans parents. And Batman shud murder his ass.

A. The Joker did NOT kill Bruce Wayne's parents. It was never menitoned, specifie, or explained, and that's the way it should stay (just b/c is a certain way in the movie don't mean that that's the right way)

B. In the movie, Batman did murder The Joker's ass

in the film version of events joker kills batmans parents.
in batman forever robin says something like; "your family wasnt killed by a madman" after two-face kills his family.
and batman says "yes they were". (meaning joker)

batman is trying to explain to robin that he understands what hes going thru and also that killing two-face wont make robin feel better cos batman kills joker in the first film.

Batman's parents were killed by a murdered by a mugger who represents the evil in all society. His name is Joe Chill and the silver age batman actually fought and killed him, i think

Joe Chill killed Bruce Wayne's parents. NUFF SAID!

That was before the Crisis. Now he has no idea.

Two-Face didn't kill Robin's parents. One of Carmine Falcone's henchmen did in Batman: Dark Victory

actually its' better if Bruce never finds out.somethings are better left untold as for Batman killing joker,i would NEVR want that to happen.that's the thin line that seperates the operative methods of Batman and the others.He doesnt kill.

i belive the joker killed batmans parents when he was little.

I think the Joker should be an exception to that rule!

Well if Batman does cross that line,then there won't be any major differnces between the two.Both men do what satisfies them,with the exception that Batman does it within respectable limits.

The Joker is not worthy of any second thought. If I got the chance I would crush him instantly and have no regrets ever. It could not possibly be compared to harming anyone worth anything.

Maybe this is one of the reasons the Batman is a hero and you are not.

If I had the chance, I would put the Joker down like the mad dog he is. That would be the only responsible thing to do with respect to society's safety and this individual.
Of course, I don't actually live in a marketable fantasy franchise which depends upon repeat appearances of quality villains. As much as I sometimes wish I were.
As it is, I love the Joker as a villain, and the only problem I have with having him still be alive is that it makes the Batman look like a weak-willed crazy moron when the Joker has crippled Barbara Gordon, brutally beaten and murdered Jason Todd, and murdered Sarah Essen-Gordon and the Batman won't put an end to the madness. Obviously, the Batman is a stronger character with his inflexible moral code intact, but it makes it pretty hard to imagine it with any realism at times. I'm an old-school comics fan, though. I likes my old-school heroes squeaky clean, and the Wolverines of the world can handle the realistic crime fighting.

And no, the Joker had absolutely nothing to do with the murder of Martha and Thomas Wayne. That was only in the film, for the sake of brevity, irony, and drama. The killer was a two-bit thug named Joe Chill.

It was me, I'm sorry, I'll turn myself in.

Mommy? Daddy? Scythe, you bastard!!!

I are sorry, slap the cuffs on me.

it depends if we are talkin bout the films or the comic books.

I killed them in both, the comic and the films, and even the cartoons.

I also agree there is more weight to the drive of Batman not ever resolving the murder of his parents.
The movies are nonsense; Tim Burton through it in to be 'edgy' but he was never a fan of the work, so bah
Joe Chill was interesting, but a si said before, it takes away rather than adds.
Two Face 'killing' Robin' parents is also movie nonsense; read Jeff Loeb /Tim Sale's Dark Victory for something more substantial; BUT the major difference between Bruce & Dick is Dick got closure on the murder of his parents where Bruce did not - hence the attitude & anger for one & not the other

Don't u think batman wants to kill joker too?ofcourse he does but he's got a firm grip on his emotions that's wat!that's y he is a hero!

What do you think?is it the Joker or Two Face?

Who killed Batman's parents, you mean? Neither of them. Didn't you read the thread?

" have you danced with the devil on a pale moon night?",
joker is batmans greatest foe. has to be that way in the comics. or did wayne's parents fall off the cliff while snow skying, like all the other senerios you see in comics and movies....THE BATMOBILE LOST ITS WHEELS, THE JOKER GOT AWAY.

i think lil bruce wayne hired a hitman to kill his parents so he could inherit their fortune but after they died he felt guilty so he became batman...makes sense.........the comics always had his parents bein murdered comin outa a movie thearter..where did u get snow sking from?

If you read any of the new batman/superman comics you would know who killed batman's parents. It was John Corpen AKA Metallo.

Joe Chill killed Thomas and Martha Wayne.

He was first identified as Joe Chill in Batman #47.

Contrary to what many of the posts in this thread claim Joe Chill remained the name of the killer even after 'Crisis on Infinite Earths' which was published in from 1985-1986.

It was during the 'Zero Hour' series published in 1994 that the name of the killer was temporarily removed.

During the 'Infinite Crisis' published in 2006 it is again established that Joe Chill killed Bruce's parents.

Batman finally confronts Joe Chill in 'Batman' #673 from March of 2008. However, like much of the Grant Morrison run on Batman it is hard to say if the events of this particular issue are real or imagined.

Joe Chill appears again in the post Batman-RIP story 'Whatever Happened to the Caped Crusader'. The events in this story don't actually happen but the appearance of Chill in Batman's mind and Chill's statement that he was present at the birth of Batman further establish that he is the killer.

Oh, good. I loved the story presented in Batman Begins, so I'm glad to hear that that has very offical canon written all over it. That also shows that Nolan did his research, which makes me even more happy.
Does Bruce Wayne get his skills from the League of Shadows in the comics as well? Or, prime answer,

How does Batman Begins compare to the "creation" stories in the comics?

Wow this thead is pathetic.

Uncle Ben

Joe Chill killed Batman's parents in the comics. In the Burton films, it was the Joker.

I think that it is better if Batman doesn't know who killed his parents because the thing that made Batman declare war on crime was a random crime.

Originally posted by sentinelrv
On the original Batman, which is also my favorite, Batman finds out that the Joker kills Batman's parents. But then in Batman Forever they say that Two Face kills his parents. I don't get it. Something here doesn't make any sense, or do I not know what I'm talking about.

it doesnt make any sense because those two idiots Burton and Schumacher screwed up those Batman movies not being faithful to the comicbook like Nolan was for the most part.He took liberties as well but not to the extremes those two fools did. You got things mixed up though,in Batman Forever,Two face killed Robins parents which never happened in the comics,Also in Batman 89,The Joker killed his parents which betrayed the comicbook because The Joker did not kill his parents in the comics,it was a criminal named Joe Chill who killed his parents.Thank God for Nolan,he got it right.

Originally posted by spidermanrocks
Joe Chill killed Batman's parents in the comics. In the Burton films, it was the Joker.

I think that it is better if Batman doesn't know who killed his parents because the thing that made Batman declare war on crime was a random crime.

yeah everything you said is true,thats why again I say thank god for Nolan.

Only in the Burton's films, is it established that a young Joker killed Bruce Wayne's parents (and that only happened to give explanations for Jack Nicholson's age.) Virtually every other continuity, it's Joe Chill. Case closed.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Wow this thead is pathetic. Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Uncle Ben Your trollish posts won't be tolerated in this forum.