“You see, U-DO is a god of this dimension. If in fact God can not be destroyed, then we shall be the ones to become gods ourselves.”
“U-DO is God himself.”
2. The Powers of U-DO
“That stream of e energy is the consciousness known as U-DO. U-DO was the source of the space-time anomaly that engufled Miltia 14 years ago. ... He feeds upon the consciousness of those intend to awaken him; as well as thsoe who wish to seek him.”
Also note since U-DO exists outside of time, any one of these infinite possible futures should apply to him.
Albedo “temporarily linked" with U-DO and gains more of U-DO’s power, causing a space-time anomaly that quickly consumes a planet-sized object and would have continued to engulf the entire region of space.
Jr.: What are you planning to do with this region of space?
Albedo: Maybe I’ll cause a shift and send this entire dimension into a high-order domain.
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U-DO also sports two avatars or observational terminals for the lower universe of Xenosaga.
(From Xenosaga III Perfect Guide)
“In order to observe, it is necessary to make contact with the lower domain. Abel and Abel's Ark are the forms of its contact. The former is for observing the real number domain of the lower domain, and the latter is for observing the imaginary domain.”
“At the current rate, half of the Federation will vanish within 72 hours.”
Half of the Federation? How much is that? The official Denosaga III Database tells us how big the Federation is:
“Composed of approximately 500,000 autonomous star systems.”
Also note the entry for Omega Res Novae in the database:
“Although it does not house the Original Zohar itself, it uses Abel as its core module and an emulator as an auxiliary, making its power far greater than the original Proto Omega.”
So, just an observational terminal of U-DO is apparently enough to make something like Omega and a weak copy stronger than the Original Zohar.
A human being uses both Abel and the Original Zohar (both powered by U-DO)
“This power is infinite. As long as I have the Zohar and Abel, my power will never fade!”
Abel’s Ark transforms and, as we see, it can easily consume a planet in its new form.
"You are a goddamn idiot. And I’d like to prove this mathematically. Take your age. Now subtract ten years. Were you smart back then? No, you were a goddamn idiot. The fact is, your still a goddamn idiot; it’s just going to take ten more years before you realize it."
U-DO is infinitely powerful as stated multiple times but he's not omniscient
you see that quite a few times in the game how he is quite ignorant of our world, having been from another dimension and all
also you could say Xenosaga is a multiverse based on what is said in official source material about other "lower domains" besides the Xenosaga universe we see in teh games
no no, he isnt IGNORANT of our world, he knows is completely, but his nature is so far beyond the confined of lower dimensional space, that he has to have avatars{abel, abel's ark} to UNDERSTAND the lower dimensional space and its limited nature. the only way to stop him from SEEING the universe is through the eternal circle zarathustra which the devil{wilhelm} intends to use to BLIND u-do and restart the whole of existance so that u-do can not consume it, this cycle was repeated nearly infinitely before shion and crew put a halt to it by destroying zarathustra.
and no, he isnt a PSUEDO god like thanos, he is a true god in every sense of the word. his power works on countless universes and existances. and apparently even seeing part of him is horrifying enough to make you wanna destroy yourself.
^NOOOOO he IS. yet his trancendant nature stops him from giving SIGNIFICANCE to lower dimensions. hence he has avatars to try and expirience it like LOWER dimensional beings do. try to think of it like the beyonder, he is perfect and complete and trancendant in the beyond realm, yet he wanted to expirience things as imperfect beings did. ofcourse, he completely became an avatar, while only small PARTS{eyes} OF U-DO become avatars.
Not even Classic Beyonder wasa supreme being either, tho he is as close as it gets. He wasn't omniscient either, he was potentially tho. An omniscient being wouldn't need to experience what it would be like, he would already know.
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"U-DO wants to know...
You don't know? I don't know as well"
U-DO itself says it doesn't know our universe.
you are way off
"And there was also a power with the function for the sake of preserving the very Dimensional Universe, the Lower Domain, itself. That actualized existence was Wilhelm. In the same way as chaos and Maria, he too was an existence that was actualized into the real-number domain by a power that emanated from the imaginary-number domain."
"Due to this, U-Do's activity of observing the lower domain is sealed, and by weakening the link between the upper and lower domains, it allows to reduce the risk of causing Eternal Recurrence side-effects on other domains."
Wilhelm is saving the universe and protecting the upper dimension where U-DO resides
Wilhelm's role as protector of the universe is also confirmed in XSIII Database
U-DO would not consume the universe
the reason people were scared was because
"What was it that frightened them to such an extent?
That very fear was the vision of the collapse of the world, which became the basis for U-Do's observation of the lower domain."
our universe was gonna be destroyed and that's what U-DO thought would happen so when they contact U-DO they see what he believes is the inevitable future: destruction of all existence
its true though that Abel and the Ark were just eyes of U-DO which explains why people like Yuriev could not detect U-DO waves from them as he could with other beings and the Zohar which is U-DO's energy
no no no. u-do WANTS to know what it feals like to be POWERLESS and weaker emotions that HUMANS feal, like suffering. it already knows the basic future of the universe. and anyway, that was abel, not complete udo{i.e able doesnt scare people like udo does does he now}
and you misunderstand. by DEVIL i dont mean EVIL. but it is infact customary for jap games to turn the devil into a misundertsood hero{shin megaten for one} most characters in xenosaga have historical slots they fill symbolically
u-do - god
chaos - yeshua/jesus
kosmos - mary magdaline
shion - maiden of mary{who in myth is supposed to be the HOLY grail and teh actual daughter of jesus and mary}
Jr./rubedo - anti christ/666
wilhelm - devil/lucifer
testaments - the four horsemen of death
y data - words of god/i.e sriptures
remme le chateu - the small church where the evidence for the holy grail is supposed ot exist in france
red testament - judah the betrayer{his e.s. name is also judah}
all the e.s. are named after the followers of jesus
abel- {abel i.e one of the first men on earth, his other part is kain}
nephilim - dunno, maybe kain or maybe the virgin mary
zarathustra- {literally translates to ZOARASTER the prophet. wilhelms neitche's actual book which is the titel for the game was named "also sprach zarathustra" translating to "thus spoke zoaraster", in the book the needlessness of god is described by neitche and the prophet zoaraster after journeying finds this and SPEAKS and god dies, this signifies its role in xenosaga, i.e seperating GOD from the world}
gnosis - the world literally means sumthing like enlightened or those who have seen god, this is a reference to having become a victim of u-do as souls
i.e LOTS more references but not need ot go into it
as far as zarathustra is concerned, if youd remember that BOTH albedo and dimitre and wilhelms were scared that u-do wud eventually CONSUME the universe and it was teh vision of this end that so horrified them when they made contact with udo,. that is why dimitri created the realians with their anti udo waves to counter it. and that is why albedo feared udo and went insane.
wilhelm has no interest in protecting u-do, he just has interest in protectgin the LOWER domain FROM u-do.
the zohar is NOT u-do s energy. this was well explained, it is merely a DOORWAY into the higher domain of u-do from where things can pass both ways.
Shion is stronger than those other people and so strong she can make such a contact with U-DO as to speak with his avatar which obviously has never happened before
the Devil by default is an antagonist and malicious entity
there is no definition of Devil that does not mean evil
chaos was not Jesus/the Messiah
Jr. is more analogous to the Devil than Wilhelm
he's the strongest anti-existence to God
you mean the Apocalypse
one Horsemen is Death
no it wasn't
it was flatly stated to be U-DO's energy
“The source of KOS-MOS’ power comes from U-DO, by using the Zohar as a door.”
so yeah the Zohar is a way to move U-DO's energy to this lower domain
U-DO never did anything to this domain and your claim Wilhelm stated something about U-DO consuming the universe is a lie
yet shion is DYING due to her contact with udo. really, irrespective of how strong she is, she isnt on par with u-do
the devil by default ISNT a malicious entity, just look at lucifer comics on vertigo or look at the shin megami tensei games, u might also wanna look at other japanese manga like angel sanctuary.
chaos WAS jesus. even momo reads JESUS before entering the final part of zarathustra using shion's perndant. chaos is called YESHUA but wilhelm, and YESHUA was jesus christ of nazarath's REAL name.
jr, is NOT the devil. the devil does not have 666 markings on him, the ANTICHRIST does. rubedo is the ANTICHRIST. the anti christ and lucifer are two different things. and he isnt the strongest anti udo existance, that wud be wilhelm again, as he controls all 4 horsemen and has his own power source{which powers joshua} and is the one that opposes u-dos plan for the universe. he IS the devil/lucifer
no no, i mean all 4 represent the 4 horsemen of death who will bring plague war etc in armageddon. there is the white rider{albedo} red rider{kevin winnicot}, pale rider{voyager} and there is another rider but his colour isnt BLUE, but blue was introduced becasuse black and pale are very similar and the creators wud definately want variance. the 4 testaments = the 4 horsemen of death.
and u contradicted urself there, first u said it was udo's energy, than u said its a way to ascend to udo's dimension. the zohar is JUST what i stated, t a doorway to udo's realm. zarathustra was initially a system to use that powerr and the power of anime to ascend to udo's realm and replace/become udo himself from the lower realm. later on it was changed to be used in eternal recurrance and partially cutting contact of the real world with udo's eye and higher dimension.
it is not, he stated that the power of anima will drive the universe to its eventual end and in all scenarios seen by albedo and dimitri, udo consumes the world eventually which is the REASON every1 is driven insane and scared by udo. udo has always had a plan for the universe and it is wilhelm that opposes that plan, hence being in direct opposition to god and being the devil. also, wilhelm is neithce's real name on whose books the title of the name is given and much of it has to do with his philosophy, and he is in direct opposition to god in those books and hence it is fitting for the devil to be called wilhelm. and as i said, the devil/lucifer does not HAVE to be an evil entity. here, GOD is the ultimate evil in a sense{udo, even if misunderstood}, just like GOD is the ultimate evil in shin megami tensei games.
chaos is in the crowd watching the man speak
it also says in the Guide he was a disciple of the Messiah
its the Mark of the Beast
it's not in the anti-Christ
U-DO has nothing to do with the destruction of the universe
that is chaos
Wilhelm is the protector of the universe
he has NO similarities whatsoever with the Devil who in his vanity opposes God
Wilhelm opposes the end of existence
no i didn't
i never said anything about ascending
the energy descends to our dimension
wrong
"U-Do sensed the danger of the collapse of the universe, which involves both the upper and lower domains together, and it began to move in order to avoid that collapse.
U-Do had perceived that the origin of the collapse was in the scattering of the Collective Unconscious, which is caused by the existence of the rejecting consciousnesses of humans in the lower domain. And so, it inevitably began to observe the lower domain."
U-DO has nothing to do with the end of the universe
he wasnt a DISCIPLE. that scene is the only one which is confusing and it is exaplained as nuthing more than a gathering of the time{that man speaking isnt jesus}. if you finish xenosaga 3 and RELOAD the saved data, u end up in the elsa again with a whole lot more stuff added to the encyclopedia. go check out chaos and the y data and the song of nephilim{which i am sure you have not} it CLEARLY states that chaos is the original messiah and the y data and the song of the nephilim are CHAOS'S words{although incomplete} that chaos spoke in his original time. you can check this out right now if you wish in xenosaga 3 if you have a cleared save game{that is why the game gives u the option of savign AFTER u finish it}. chaos IS yeshua and yeshua{even the encyclopedia in the game states} is jesus's original name.
teh beast IS the anti christ. trust me on this, or dig up christian mythology, in the rapture the agents of the devil{the harlot, the horsemen of death and the antichrist} will come on the earth. the antichrist is a MAN, not the devil himself. the devil is different.
yes he does, u do will eventually manifest itself in reality and consume it. that is why wilhelm intedned to use zarathustra to SEAL THE EYES of udo from observing the lower realms. he has EVERY similarity with the devil, seeing as to how much he hates u-do and is the main driver who controls the testaments and manipulates all parties to serve that goal. wilhelm opposes the end of existance which chaos's existance is driving the universe towards, in the end it will be udo that cnsumes it{the evidence here is not well explained but if you play all three and are careful in observing youll figure it out}. chaos is a FAILSAFE to end the universe if udo doesnt get it. we do not know what chaos's connection to udo is though. and he opposes the end of existance doesnt mean he isnt the symbolic devil, as i explained, the devil doesnt have to be evil.
yes you did. and the zohar is a DOORWAY to udo's energy, it is an artifact of god{perhaps the superme artifcat of god.} you are confusing xenogears with xenosaga i think. in xenogears the xohar was where the wave existance was CONFINED. but in xenoSAGA, udo exists in a higher dimension adn the zohar is merely a doorwway to thaty dimension.
yes it does have nearly evrything{othjer than the existance of chaos which still has not been adequately explained in the game} with the destriuction of the universe. whenever udo manifests itself, the inevitable end of the universe is accelerated. as for the collapse of the upper domain, that came about in the very end and is unexplained. udo has nuthing to do with the COLLECTIVE UNCONCIOUNCE{unus mundus}, the REASON udo is greater than anything in the lower realm is that udo is a SINGLE conciousness which is greater than the unus mundus. it does move in order to avoid the collapse perhaps because we see the nicer side of udo when abel helps the nephilim and chaos seal all gnosis in the zohar. perhaps udo learnt that from shion and by seeing the events unfold int the lower domain through abel and the ark. that is why those EYES existed. initially, it was the most destriuuctive and horrifying entity which was responsible for leading the universe to destruction {along with chaos who was a FAILSAFE in case it didnt happen} and that is why wilhelm had to do the eternal recurrance thing. and from the fact that yeshua/chaos explained that the universe maybe more flexible than wlhelm thought, it is strongly implied that udo has become more understanding of the lower dimension which is why abel did what he did. but it is a fact that dimitria and albedo saw udo destroying the universe and that is why they became afraid of it and did what they did.
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