I know it technically isn't "Norton's" Hulk, but whatever.
The two start off fighting in the same part of New York that Hulk fought Abom in.
In particular, I suppose the questions are which version is stronger, more durable, resourceful, etc.
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Well the new Hulk fought and beat Abomination and as a whole, suffered a lot more punishment and came back than the previous Hulk did.
So on that basis, I'd say the new Hulk. Although I'd have to say that while the new Hulk does better on average, he didn't do anything like swinging a tank around and throwing it to the horizon.
Although Ang Lee's Hulk grew with his anger, so drawing upon that, there's no telling how big that version could become.
So, a terrible concept should not lend credence to a new version of a terrible concpt.
Like Superman, the Hulk is a horrible character. And he isn't a terrible character because he owns others or is more powerful. He's a terrible character because he ilustrates zero personality: just like superman. Superman sucks because he has no dimensionality. The Hulk, Superman and Spiderman exhibit zero personality. Hulk get mad! Superman escapes all logic, spiderman illustrate some measure of distillation of uninteresting'ness.
Quite frankly, Spider-Man, the Fantasti Four, The Hulk, Superman & the Avengers all strike me as disposable characters.
I mean, REALLY, who can't see the Avengers as anything other than a forum for heroes that had passed their time?
That being said: I look forward to Captain America v. Red Skull.
No, I don't hate Marvel. In fact, other than Batman, I prefer it. However, I hate the Hulk. I just find him to be an uninteresting character. And the same with Superman. And I do not understand re-booting the movie franchise. But I have no doubt that the Norton version will do better, because the advertising has been non-stop.
As for the others I mentioned, they are absolute proof that a hero is only as interesting as his villains. And that says a lot about the Hulk. He's boring and his villains strike me as some writer trying too hard. Spider-Man has some pretty decent opponents, so I can get behind him a little more. And other than Doctor Doom, I find the FF to have totally lacked any develpoment in their 40 years. They didn't become remotely interesting until the Franklin angle was introduced.
I know others feel differently about the Hulk or the FF, but that's just how they've always struck me. I had on friend that was really into the Hulk, Superman and the Juggernaut. It very soon became apparent that when it came to comic books, we had little to discuss.
I'm talking about both the comic books and the movies.
I share your opinion on Fantastic Four, Hulk and Superman, though, due to my lack of interest that is relatively uneducated ... and as you said yourself Spider-Man does have some interesting villains. I do like Lex Luthor though...
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I've always found Hulk's angles to be interesting because it's as much, sometimes more so, about Banner than it is about Hulk. If it was just about Hulk, I'd understand. So I guess that hinges on how you view Banner, if he's not to your taste then you won't enjoy the comics. Hulk has never really been about fighting people, his biggest opponent is himself, and that's what it's about, that's what Ang Lee was trying to get across. Despite apparently seeming invincible, he is beatable, he is able to be hurt, it just doesn't often happen in fights, which is why his power is so formidable.
It's not as cheap as Superman who has gone from being able to leap buildings and run faster than a train, to being able to move planets.
It just so happens that when you are Hulk, you attract attention of bad and good, so that's where his other characters come in. All of this is wasted, though, because you don't like him, and that's cool.
I've personally never enjoyed Thor's comics for the reasons you don't enjoy Hulk, and I can see why you (Or anybody) wouldn't enjoy Hulk. If you can't get into a story or behind a character, I can understand that. It's just that nowadays, Hulk has a lot of unnecessary, baseless haters for no reason than him being stronger than someone they like.
I've never enjoyed Spider-Man's villains, really. Besides Dr. Doom the F4 are the ones who are always involved in cosmic ongoings, so that's why I feel their comics are usually good, because it's usually a big event.
That said, I think Captain America is shit. Complete, dated shit.
I don't dislike the Hulk because he's strong. In fact, that's why I mentioned the friend I mentioned; because his sole reason for finding a character interesting was their strength. That's why he was into Hulk, Superman and Juggernaut.
And Captain America is dated. That's one reason I said what I did about the Avengers. It's just a club for characters who are no longer interesting enough to carry a title on their own. Personally, I don't read Captain America comics anymore because I think they should all take place in the WW2 era. And this is why I'm looking forward to the movie, because I understand it's all going to take place during WW2.
You know, come to think of it, Bardock might be right. I don't seem to like very many Marvel characters, either.
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Well Iron Man's ongoing comics, as well as Thor, have almost always been successful, Avengers or not. Captain America remains one of Marvel's biggest sellers, if I'm not mistaken. So they can carry titles on their own financially, but if you're referring to artistically, I'd be inclined to agree mostly.
I don't think Captain America or Thor have good singular comics. I think Thor is a very exciting premise, though, so he works as a crossover or group person. Iron Man's comics I've personally enjoyed a lot more lately, the recent run is very good, the post-Civil War stuff.
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I liked both of them.
The second one had more of the stuff that Tired Hiker was talking about...which I thoroughly enjoyed.
Ang Lee's hulk healed rather fast from that Nuclear explosion...the new Hulk's wounds didn't hell, which pissed me off. Ang Lee's Hulk seemed physically stronger as well.
Ang Lee's Hulk was larger after the second time he transformed....Sooo..
The old Hulk was bigger and stronger, and had another power, it got stronger the more pain he felt, and it had no limit, I mean, NO LIMIT, it also got bigger, and for all I know, if it took enough abuse, it could grow to be a mile tall.
The new Hulk is a little smaller, and a little weaker, but it can talk, and it is smarter, and angrier, it might not have as much fat, but it has a lot more muscle, so it's faster, and what it uses to fight with is, well, everything around it. It doesn't just pick up stuff, it picks up stuff and makes weapons out of them, such as boxing gloves, shields, spears, boomarangs, it can also use pressure to create sound, cause the ground to distort by hitting it.
In the finale fight when Banner's father is absorbing Hulk's power, while in the process of absorbing him Ross drops a nuke (Or what appears to be one. It has a mushroom cloud) on both fo them. The combination of Hulk and the nuke's power overloads and kills Bruce's dad, and the Hulk uh.. regens from it I guess.
EDIT- Nevermind. According to wiki, it was a "gamma charge bomb".
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