This isn't a versus battle this is a comparison on who is more evil and without any redeeming qualities. These two both seem as evil as they come in movies so I think this is a good comparison to make here.
I reckon Sidious is more evil more long reaching influence. He lives for it, whereas Voldy just hated Muggles and any who stood in his way of their genocide.
Both will do whatever and kill whoever stands in the way of their quest for power imo. Now I don't see Sidious' longer reaching influence as proof of being more evil he just covered more territory.
Don't forget Voldemort rejected all of his humanity and didn't have a single friend in the world.
Not only did he give up his humanity as well, he manipulated millions, created an army that gained the jedi's trust, only to have them stab them in the back. Took over the universe, blew up a planet to prove a point, killed anyone who whispered anything bad about him, plucked at anakin's heart strings and turned him almost completely evil.
He covered a much larger scale, whereas Voldey just wanted pure bloods in charge and Harry dead.
Just because he effected a wider range doesn't make him any more evil. Voldemort trusted no one save his own counsel unlike Sidious. Voldemort also wouldn't groom someone to be more powerful than himself which Sidious believed in his own mind.
Who do you think Sidious trusted? He didn't even trust Anakin who was his second in command before he himself knew it. Everything that happened was according to his plan, that wasn't hyperbole or boasting, that was fact. The only thing that surprised him was Luke's strength in the force and his ability to resist the pull of the dark side.
He did trust Anakin/Vader as he saved him from Luke's saber attack and completely dropped his guard when he was force zapping Luke. That caused his downfall. Anakin was the ultimate betrayer.
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Voldemort by far. Palpatine because he manipulated the Senate? Those guys were a bunch of tards and you know it. And even if I did find that impressive, that's not "evil". Voldemort is "evil". He is cruel, kills without compunction, all for essentially sadism.
And Palpatine doesn't... I seem to recall him creating a world destroying weapon. Also Palpatine takes delight in pain and carnage. Heck, he is overjoyed when his minions are defeated and about to be killed.
And I don't recall once where Voldemort killed someone just becasue he could.
BTW I find Voldemort to be the more compelling villian. He has some awesome motivations such as he ideas of blood purity despite being a half blood himself. And I love how he views Hogwarts as his "birth right". However, he just does not seem to be as evil.
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How doesn't he seem to be as evil ? he had no friends and actually shoved Belltraix just for trying to help him to his feet after the killing curse was used on harry potter. Sidious wasn't anywhere near that.
To turn Luke over to the dark side. It all benefited and served a purpose. Sidious would have treated Luke great while Voldmort shoved people down who tried to help him. Someone else said something to him as well and he killed him for it.
Look at the way Voldemort killed Snape who was a loyal servant he had his snake bite him and cause him to suffer. Ruthlessness. Sidious just isn't up to snuff here.
Honestly, knocking over Bellatrix really wasn't that evil... And sure he killed a dude who pissed him off. Vader does that crap as well (Motti) and Palpatine isn't as "forgiving" as Vader.
As for Snape. Sure that was evil, but Palpatine relishes the pain of his servants as well. Remember how he smirked after Vader cried out in aungish in RotS.
But when it comes down to it Sidious created planet destorying weapons with the intent to use them. I'm sorry but Voldemort hasn't done anything nearly as evil as that.
Pushing someone done for helping you and killing someone for basically the same thing iirc is worse than Sidious. I don't see him tossing people down for helping him to his feet.
He smirked because he knew this drew him deeper into the dark side.
Voldemort didn't have access to that in the hp verse and don't confuse scale with evil as both were clearly without remorse about committing mass murder.
I'm gonna say Voldemort. I think some here seem to be conflating evilness with scope. Palpatine working on a larger scale and having greater ambitions doesn't make him more evil.
Palpatine was cruel, evil, manipulative, and ruthless but unlike Voldemort his aims and goals were ultimately driven by more than just petty evil and the self-aggrandizing creation of a cult of personality.
There's hints that Palpatine was at least part ways motivated by a perverse concern for the well being of the Galaxy, that is he believed that the Galaxy had to be united and ordered under strong authority if it was to survive. I think it was one of the books that showed that Palpatine realized that the Galactic Republic wouldn't be strong enough to resist the impending Yuuzhan Vong invasion and thus needed to make the Empire.
Now I'm not saying that this justifies any of what Palpatine did, but at least it shows he had some motive beyond evil for the sake of evil and power for the sake of power.
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Mere excuses. Palpatine wanted control off the galaxy because he is a power hungry bastard not because he wanteded to defend it. And if we want to take the EU into consideration well then you gotta include DE where his end goal is to turn everyone into his dark side slaves.
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