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CW Deathstroke vs MCU Captain America

Slade has the Mirakuru. Standard gear, in-character but no jobbing, start 20 yards apart, and the fight is to the death. Takes place in a large warehouse.

Who wins and why?

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Pretty sure this has been done before. Slade wins. Cap has better speed, agility and fighting skills but Slade's durability is too high up.


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His durability isn't above being damaged by Cap's shield though.


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I think a bigger factor is DS' weaponry. Slade's standard gear on that suit includes grenades, a sidearm, and a sword. And he is very competent with all of them. He was elite special forces long before he ever became a super soldier. Though Steve showed he can deal with a well-armed opponent in WS. This would actually be an interesting fight, IMO.


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His durability isn't above being damaged by Cap's shield though.


but his healing makes up the difference.

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His healing isn't that great. He couldn't regenerate his eye, for example, after however many months. I mean we get told he has healing, but we never actually really see it in action. Only example of Mirakuru healing I can recall is when Roy got cut by that falling glass, but it was still a couple of hours at least before the cut fully healed. It's not like Wolverine/Lizard/Deadpool insta-healing, which makes a big difference over the course of a fight.


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Cap's shield will chop off body parts.

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His durability isn't above being damaged by Cap's shield though.


You'll have to prove that. Mirakuru soldiers can tank multiple gunshots at point blank range. One got hit and run over by a van and just got up. Plus standard gear means Slade gets his bulletproof armor. And while Cap can probably damage him eventually, it will make it very hard and not without exposing himself to Slade's weaponry.


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You'll have to prove that. Mirakuru soldiers can tank multiple gunshots at point blank range. One got hit and run over by a van and just got up. Plus standard gear means Slade gets his bulletproof armor. And while Cap can probably damage him eventually, it will make it very hard and not without exposing himself to Slade's weaponry.


Yet a thin needle could pierce them to give them the cure, and a piece of glass cut Roy, so their durability is inconsistent. At highest end, their skin was described as "concrete" tough. Cap tossed Ultron through a concrete pillar without visibly damaging him, yet he managed to cut a good couple of inches into his chest with his shield. Cap has also damaged things like Winter Soldier's metal arm, using a shield strike. An arm which can punch through concrete, dent thick steel doors, and has tanked gunfire on multiple occasions. And that's ignoring the other times he has cut through things like steel cables etc. with his shield.

And I already pointed out Slade's gear is a bigger factor, in a later post. Cap has dealt with a well-armed Winter Soldier before, but they basically stalemated during the highway fight (they were still facing off when Falcon and Black Widow stepped in). And Slade is good enough with his sword that he can deflect arrows shot at him with it. Which is why I said this would be an interesting match.


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Cap's shield will chop off body parts.


I wouldn't go that far, but I definitely think clean strikes would do damage to Slade.


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Yet a thin needle could pierce them to give them the cure, and a piece of glass cut Roy, so their durability is inconsistent. At highest end, their skin was described as "concrete" tough. Cap tossed Ultron through a concrete pillar without visibly damaging him, yet he managed to cut a good couple of inches into his chest with his shield. Cap has also damaged things like Winter Soldier's metal arm, using a shield strike. An arm which can punch through concrete, dent thick steel doors, and has tanked gunfire on multiple occasions. And that's ignoring the other times he has cut through things like steel cables etc. with his shield.

And I already pointed out Slade's gear is a bigger factor, in a later post. Cap has dealt with a well-armed Winter Soldier before, but they basically stalemated during the highway fight (they were still facing off when Falcon and Black Widow stepped in). And Slade is good enough with his sword that he can deflect arrows shot at him with it. Which is why I said this would be an interesting match.


The big difference is that Slade is far more durable than Cap. As hard as Cap can hit with that shield remember that it didn't seriously hurt Bucky without multiple hits. And so while Cap can hurt Slade with his shield, it will need multiple hits to do anything serious whereas Slade only needs a few hits with his swords or guns to give him the edge on Cap.


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The big difference is that Slade is far more durable than Cap. As hard as Cap can hit with that shield remember that it didn't seriously hurt Bucky without multiple hits. And so while Cap can hurt Slade with his shield, it will need multiple hits to do anything serious whereas Slade only needs a few hits with his swords or guns to give him the edge on Cap.


And landing those hits won't be easy. When Cap was actively defending, Winter Soldier never managed to tag Steve with either guns or knife during the highway scene, and only got a glancing shot during the final showdown. And he was using two pistols at that point, shooting one at Steve's head and another at his side, forcing him to block the critical one to score a hit on another area. And he connected the knife stab to the shoulder by overpowering Steve with his metal arm. Slade needs to land less hits, but I see Cap actually landing more.


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I don't think the fact Cap needed multiple hits with the shield to do serious harm to Bucky is a bad thing. Since Bucky has the SS serum as well.

Since I don't think Slade is vastly more durable..given some of the shit they survived in Civil War.


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And landing those hits won't be easy. When Cap was actively defending, Winter Soldier never managed to tag Steve with either guns or knife during the highway scene, and only got a glancing shot during the final showdown. And he was using two pistols at that point, shooting one at Steve's head and another at his side, forcing him to block the critical one to score a hit on another area. And he connected the knife stab to the shoulder by overpowering Steve with his metal arm. Slade needs to land less hits, but I see Cap actually landing more.


Though I agree that Cap is more skilled, that difference in skill is not as big as their difference in durability. Slade was already exceptionally skilled before being enhanced. Cap was not. And there's a big difference between blocking a single knife and blocking 2 swords. When was the last time Cap tried blocking hits from someone with a longer weapon than him?


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I don't think the fact Cap needed multiple hits with the shield to do serious harm to Bucky is a bad thing. Since Bucky has the SS serum as well.

Since I don't think Slade is vastly more durable..given some of the shit they survived in Civil War.


So you think Cap or Bucky can take 4-5 gunshots at point blank range and not even look like they got hurt?


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So you think Cap or Bucky can take 4-5 gunshots at point blank range and not even look like they got hurt?


Hmm, no they can't that is a good point. I guess I was just thinking about all the falls and hits they took in Civil War, especially at the end with their fight with Tony.


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DS might have better piercing durability feats, but Cap has far better blunt and energy durability feats.


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Though I agree that Cap is more skilled, that difference in skill is not as big as their difference in durability. Slade was already exceptionally skilled before being enhanced. Cap was not. And there's a big difference between blocking a single knife and blocking 2 swords. When was the last time Cap tried blocking hits from someone with a longer weapon than him?


Did he ever dual wield swords in the show as Deathstroke? I honestly can't recall any instances. I only ever remember him packing a single sword. He only had one sword when he invaded the Team Arrow hideout, or when he stopped the prison transport to recruit some soldiers for the Mirakuru treatment, or during the S2 finale. Even when Oliver and the rest were taken by the aliens, during the crossover in S5, the dream Deathstroke only had a single sword. Plus, for all we know, that sword might very well break if it keeps impacting Cap's shield with superhuman force. And, to answer that last question, he was fending off Rhodey's baton, without that much trouble IIRC, during Civil War.


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Did he ever dual wield swords in the show as Deathstroke? I honestly can't recall any instances. I only ever remember him packing a single sword. He only had one sword when he invaded the Team Arrow hideout, or when he stopped the prison transport to recruit some soldiers for the Mirakuru treatment, or during the S2 finale. Even when Oliver and the rest were taken by the aliens, during the crossover in S5, the dream Deathstroke only had a single sword. Plus, for all we know, that sword might very well break if it keeps impacting Cap's shield with superhuman force. And, to answer that last question, he was fending off Rhodey's baton, without that much trouble IIRC, during Civil War.



He dual wielded as Slade Wilson back in the island, but you're right, as Deathstroke he only ever used 1 sword. Cap didn't exactly do that much fending off of Rhodey's baton. He blocked it once and kicked Rhodey then the baton broke. Other times he fought opponents with longer weapons was vs. Loki and Rumlow... and he got tagged in those fights. Granted, there were other factors in those fights, but the point I'm raising is that Cap isn't unhittable. He's going to get tagged by DS whether by his sword or gun. And Cap can't just shrug off DS's hits like DS can shrug off Cap's hits.

Again I should point out, not only does DS have his own durability, he has his bulletproof suit that had bullets and arrows just bouncing off them.


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