KillerMovies - Movies That Matter!

REGISTER HERE TO JOIN IN! - It's easy and it's free!
Home » Movies » Movie Discussion » Movie Versus Forum » Loras Tyrell vs Ned Stark

Loras Tyrell vs Ned Stark
Started by: nfactor1995

Forum Jump:
Post New Thread    Post A Reply
Pages (5): [1] 2 3 » ... Last »   Last Thread   Next Thread
Author
Thread
nfactor1995
The N-Factor

Gender: Male
Location: California

Loras Tyrell vs Ned Stark

TV show versions. Standard gear, to the death, start 5 yards apart.

Who wins and why?

Old Post Oct 17th, 2017 11:30 PM
nfactor1995 is currently offline Click here to Send nfactor1995 a Private Message Find more posts by nfactor1995 Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
Josh_Alexander
Keeper of Cosmic Balance

Gender: Male
Location: Everywhere

Stark.

Isn't like Loras was ever at Jaime's level.


__________________

Old Post Oct 17th, 2017 11:44 PM
Josh_Alexander is currently offline Click here to Send Josh_Alexander a Private Message Find more posts by Josh_Alexander Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
juggerman
Senior Member

Gender: Unspecified
Location: United States

Neither was Ned.


__________________

"I'M THE JUGGERMAN B!TCH"

Old Post Oct 17th, 2017 11:54 PM
juggerman is currently offline Click here to Send juggerman a Private Message Find more posts by juggerman Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
FrothByte
Nailcutter Massacre

Gender: Male
Location:

Loras is supposed to be one of the best fighters around... but he doesn't have the experience of Ned. I think they both suck.


__________________

Old Post Oct 18th, 2017 12:16 AM
FrothByte is currently offline Click here to Send FrothByte a Private Message Find more posts by FrothByte Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
NemeBro
Senior Member

Gender: Unspecified
Location: Saving KMC

quote: (post)
Originally posted by juggerman
Neither was Ned.
Yeah if you discount that time he fought Jaime to a standstill and was visibly causing him to struggle near the end of their duel before he was stabbed from behind. Or if you discount the fact that Jaime himself shows respect for Ned's chronicled skills as a warrior and seems curious and eager to test himself against him earlier that season. Or if you discount that Barristan Selmy himself believes that a duel between the two of him during Robert's rebellion (when both men were near their prime) would have been a fearsome contest despite Ned's humble downplaying of his own abilities.

Ned is of a similar tier to Jaime Lannister, which puts him laughably above Loras Tyrell, who is a limp-wristed loser.


__________________
Thanks Scythe!

Old Post Oct 18th, 2017 12:26 AM
NemeBro is currently offline Click here to Send NemeBro a Private Message Find more posts by NemeBro Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
juggerman
Senior Member

Gender: Unspecified
Location: United States

quote: (post)
Originally posted by NemeBro
1. Yeah if you discount that time he fought Jaime to a standstill and was visibly causing him to struggle near the end of their duel before he was stabbed from behind.

2. Or if you discount the fact that Jaime himself shows respect for Ned's chronicled skills as a warrior and seems curious and eager to test himself against him earlier that season.

3. Or if you discount that Barristan Selmy himself believes that a duel between the two of him during Robert's rebellion (when both men were near their prime) would have been a fearsome contest despite Ned's humble downplaying of his own abilities.

4. Ned is of a similar tier to Jaime Lannister, which puts him laughably above Loras Tyrell, who is a limp-wristed loser.


1. Jaime was handicapped in that fight. He wanted to take Ned alive to make sure his brother survived whereas Ned was likely going for the kill after Jaime killed Jory and all his men that were with him. And even still Jaime still looked better than Ned

2. I didn't see any respect. In fact he took care to disrespect Ned on multiple occasions. Eager to test Ned's mettle? Yes he was. But curiosity doesn't point to them being equals.

3. Selmy was being nice. And we all know Ned had a tendency of being honest and up front so I'd take his word over Selmy's. Also Ned killed Dane, the greatest swordsman around. Knowing that and not knowing how it happened would indeed make other people see you in a higher light. We have no reason to believe Selmy ever actually saw Ned fight as we know Jaime didn't.

4. Ned is below Jaime and Loras likely is as well. I want to put Loras above Ned because of Ned being much older and likely out of practice more so than Loras but not enough is known


__________________

"I'M THE JUGGERMAN B!TCH"

Old Post Oct 18th, 2017 12:43 AM
juggerman is currently offline Click here to Send juggerman a Private Message Find more posts by juggerman Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
Josh_Alexander
Keeper of Cosmic Balance

Gender: Male
Location: Everywhere

quote: (post)
Originally posted by juggerman
Neither was Ned.


I disagree.

Ned could have defeated Jaime in a combat.


__________________

Old Post Oct 18th, 2017 01:47 AM
Josh_Alexander is currently offline Click here to Send Josh_Alexander a Private Message Find more posts by Josh_Alexander Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
juggerman
Senior Member

Gender: Unspecified
Location: United States

quote: (post)
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
I disagree.

Ned could have defeated Jaime in a combat.


Ned was losing and Jaime wasn't even trying to kill him.


__________________

"I'M THE JUGGERMAN B!TCH"

Old Post Oct 18th, 2017 01:59 AM
juggerman is currently offline Click here to Send juggerman a Private Message Find more posts by juggerman Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
Josh_Alexander
Keeper of Cosmic Balance

Gender: Male
Location: Everywhere

quote: (post)
Originally posted by juggerman
Ned was losing and Jaime wasn't even trying to kill him.


When was Ned losing? It seemed all the opposite to me.


__________________

Old Post Oct 18th, 2017 02:08 AM
Josh_Alexander is currently offline Click here to Send Josh_Alexander a Private Message Find more posts by Josh_Alexander Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
juggerman
Senior Member

Gender: Unspecified
Location: United States

quote: (post)
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
When was Ned losing? It seemed all the opposite to me.


Again Jamie was not trying to kill Ned and Ned was(in all likelihood) trying to kill Jamie. Even still, Jaime was enjoying the fight. So much so that he struck the man that ended it early. Had it continued, Jamie would have won barring some nonsense of course


__________________

"I'M THE JUGGERMAN B!TCH"

Old Post Oct 18th, 2017 02:12 AM
juggerman is currently offline Click here to Send juggerman a Private Message Find more posts by juggerman Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
Josh_Alexander
Keeper of Cosmic Balance

Gender: Male
Location: Everywhere

quote: (post)
Originally posted by juggerman
Again Jamie was not trying to kill Ned and Ned was(in all likelihood) trying to kill Jamie. Even still, Jaime was enjoying the fight. So much so that he struck the man that ended it early. Had it continued, Jamie would have won barring some nonsense of course


Ned was never trying to kill Jaime.

Even so, Jaime and Ned had a tied fight.

That proved that Ned isnt to be underestimated.


__________________

Old Post Oct 18th, 2017 02:57 PM
Josh_Alexander is currently offline Click here to Send Josh_Alexander a Private Message Find more posts by Josh_Alexander Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
FrothByte
Nailcutter Massacre

Gender: Male
Location:

One thing to note is that Ned Stark doesn't participate in knightly tournaments whereas Loras is very highly ranked in the tournaments. Ned said he prefers not to show his enemies his true skill.

The problem is, there hasn't been war for years, so does that mean Ned hasn't been in a proper fight, or even a match, in years?


__________________

Last edited by FrothByte on Oct 18th, 2017 at 03:54 PM

Old Post Oct 18th, 2017 03:47 PM
FrothByte is currently offline Click here to Send FrothByte a Private Message Find more posts by FrothByte Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
ares834
Senior Member

Gender: Male
Location: United States

Ned easily.

Old Post Oct 18th, 2017 04:16 PM
ares834 is currently offline Click here to Send ares834 a Private Message Find more posts by ares834 Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
Bashar Teg
Senior Mentat

Gender: Male
Location: in your mind, rent free

sansa could probably defeat show-loras. they ruined him. book loras would probably lose as well because ned has experience in real combat.


__________________

Your Lord knows very well what is in your heart. Your soul suffices this day as a reckoner against you. I need no witnesses. You do not listen to your soul, but listen instead to your anger and your rage.

Old Post Oct 18th, 2017 04:44 PM
Bashar Teg is currently offline Click here to Send Bashar Teg a Private Message Find more posts by Bashar Teg Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
Jmanghan
Senior Member

Gender: Male
Location: Batman Land

quote: (post)
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
sansa could probably defeat show-loras. they ruined him. book loras would probably lose as well because ned has experience in real combat.
They ruined him... by having him nearly duel evenly with Brienne of Tarth?...


__________________
Thanks Scribble!

Warrior of Light Respect Thread

Old Post Oct 18th, 2017 04:45 PM
Jmanghan is currently offline Click here to Send Jmanghan a Private Message Find more posts by Jmanghan Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
KingD19
Shai-Gen's Enigmatic Wong

Gender: Male
Location: Land of the Lost

Brienne is more of a myth than anything. Her only legitimate wins are circumstantial as hell.

Old Post Oct 18th, 2017 04:50 PM
KingD19 is currently offline Click here to Send KingD19 a Private Message Find more posts by KingD19 Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
Bashar Teg
Senior Mentat

Gender: Male
Location: in your mind, rent free

quote: (post)
Originally posted by Jmanghan
They ruined him... by having him nearly duel evenly with Brienne of Tarth?...


in a tourney melee

(please log in to view the image)


__________________

Your Lord knows very well what is in your heart. Your soul suffices this day as a reckoner against you. I need no witnesses. You do not listen to your soul, but listen instead to your anger and your rage.

Old Post Oct 18th, 2017 04:54 PM
Bashar Teg is currently offline Click here to Send Bashar Teg a Private Message Find more posts by Bashar Teg Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
Jmanghan
Senior Member

Gender: Male
Location: Batman Land

quote: (post)
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
in a tourney melee

(please log in to view the image)
In a tourney melee that both of them were obviously taking seriously.


__________________
Thanks Scribble!

Warrior of Light Respect Thread

Old Post Oct 18th, 2017 04:54 PM
Jmanghan is currently offline Click here to Send Jmanghan a Private Message Find more posts by Jmanghan Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
Bashar Teg
Senior Mentat

Gender: Male
Location: in your mind, rent free

tourney = not fighting in earnest.


__________________

Your Lord knows very well what is in your heart. Your soul suffices this day as a reckoner against you. I need no witnesses. You do not listen to your soul, but listen instead to your anger and your rage.

Old Post Oct 18th, 2017 04:56 PM
Bashar Teg is currently offline Click here to Send Bashar Teg a Private Message Find more posts by Bashar Teg Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
FrothByte
Nailcutter Massacre

Gender: Male
Location:

quote: (post)
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
tourney = not fighting in earnest.


What nonsense. A tournament fight is an earnest fight. Yes there are rules, yes it's not to the death, but it's still a fight.

Besides, Jamie wasn't trying to kill Ned either,


__________________

Old Post Oct 18th, 2017 05:16 PM
FrothByte is currently offline Click here to Send FrothByte a Private Message Find more posts by FrothByte Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
All times are UTC. The time now is 09:58 AM.
Pages (5): [1] 2 3 » ... Last »   Last Thread   Next Thread

Home » Movies » Movie Discussion » Movie Versus Forum » Loras Tyrell vs Ned Stark

Email this Page
Subscribe to this Thread
   Post New Thread  Post A Reply

Forum Jump:
Search by user:
 

Forum Rules:
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is OFF
vB code is ON
Smilies are ON
[IMG] code is ON

Text-only version
 

< - KillerMovies.com - Forum Archive - Forum Rules >


© Copyright 2000-2006, KillerMovies.com. All Rights Reserved.
Powered by: vBulletin, copyright ©2000-2006, Jelsoft Enterprises Limited.