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Headbutt challenge: Superman vs. Captain Marvel

Clark and Carol face each other, lock forearms together, then take turns headbutting each other with full strength. First one to get knocked to the ground loses. Carol is at full power. Neither is allowed to fly.

Who wins?


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Marvel, no doubts.


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I doubt either can harm the other, unless Carol isn't allowed to use a force field. If she is then this is a stalemate.


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Carol smashing the Sanctuary II >>>> Any feat DCEU Superman has.

Feats>>> Fanboyisms.

Carol stomps.


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Carol smashing the Sanctuary II >>>> Any feat DCEU Superman has.

Feats>>> Fanboyisms.

Carol stomps.

Superman went through a ship too.

So going through a ship is greater than going through a ship while weakened and against tremendous resistance forces?

And why would going through a metal ship be greater than all of Superman's feats, especially when metal is tissue paper to him?


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Carol smashing the Sanctuary II >>>> Any feat DCEU Superman has.

Feats>>> Fanboyisms.

Carol stomps.


LOL she put a hole in a ship, big deal. Superman put a hole in a ship too, also put a hole in another ship sized object while fighting through its gravity beam head on

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Superman went through a ship too.

So going through a ship is greater than going through a ship while weakened and against tremendous resistance forces?

And why would going through a metal ship be greater than all of Superman's feats, especially when metal is tissue paper to him?


He’s an idiot


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Superman went through a ship too.

So going through a ship is greater than going through a ship while weakened and against tremendous resistance forces?

And why would going through a metal ship be greater than all of Superman's feats, especially when metal is tissue paper to him?


Thanos' ship was clearly bigger and more powerful than the terraforming ship Superman destroyed.

A beam of energy? Prove that a force was being exerted on Superman.


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LOL she put a hole in a ship, big deal. Superman put a hole in a ship too, also put a hole in another ship sized object while fighting through its gravity beam head on


Gravity beam? Where did you got that term from? That was some sort of energy beam which was modifying the Earth's core.


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You do know that Superman was heavily depowered when he did that right? And it was a gravity beam, it was crushing skyscrapers on the other side fo the globe.

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The fact Superman survived at all exposure that up close to the beam is a huge feat.

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Thanos' ship was clearly bigger and more powerful than the terraforming ship Superman destroyed.


Hmmm, I agree it was bigger and probably had better guns. What's that got to do with flying through it? I'm not aware that either ship has much in the way of durability feats. What reason do you have to say the hull of the ship Thanos had would be more difficult to fly through?


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Surprised that people are concentrating on their ship-bash feats instead of their headbutt feats against Wonder Woman and Thanos respectively.


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Yeah he took her out with a headbutt right?


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You do know that Superman was heavily depowered when he did that right? And it was a gravity beam, it was crushing skyscrapers on the other side fo the globe.


Is there even a thing called a gravity beam? Gravity isn't a particle, or atleast not prove to be one. Therefore a gravity beam isn't a thing. Furthermore, the movie never stated such a thing

The buildings colapsing was due to the gravity of the Earth being altered due to the ship terraforming the Earth's core, not because of the beam smashing them directly.

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The fact Superman survived at all exposure that up close to the beam is a huge feat.



Hmmm, I agree it was bigger and probably had better guns. What's that got to do with flying through it? I'm not aware that either ship has much in the way of durability feats. What reason do you have to say the hull of the ship Thanos had would be more difficult to fly through?


There are no durability feats for either ship. However, based on impresiveness, the Santuary clearly shadows the terraforming ship.

Also, bear in mind that Zod's ship was a terraforming/scientific ship, whereas Thanos' ship was a battle station.

So, base on that concept alone, we can assume that Thanos' ship is more apt for combat.


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It's a terraforming ship that would have to withstand some pretty intense gravitational forces, right? I'd agree the ship probably wouldn't be as good in combat, but it doesn't mean the ships hull is less durable.

EDIT: Also Pscyhotron was not saying the beam was directly hitting buildings on the other side of the globe. He was saying that the side effects of the beam were so powerful it was crushing buildings on the other side of the globe.


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Is there even a thing called a gravity beam? Gravity isn't a particle, or atleast not prove to be one. Therefore a gravity beam isn't a thing. Furthermore, the movie never stated such a thing


No, and there's no such thing as a World Engine or an infinity gauntlet but here were are. It was a gravity beam in the movie.


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The buildings colapsing was due to the gravity of the Earth being altered due to the ship terraforming the Earth's core, not because of the beam smashing them directly.


The core was being altered by the beam... Notice that as soon as Superman destroyed the World Engine the gravity effect ceased. That means the beam was the cause of the massive gravity increase. So he overpowered a beam capable of flattening skyscrapers on the other side of the planet while being heavily depowered, and then destroyed the World Engine itself.

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It's a terraforming ship that would have to withstand some pretty intense gravitational forces, right? I'd agree the ship probably wouldn't be as good in combat, but it doesn't mean the ships hull is less durable.

EDIT: Also Pscyhotron was not saying the beam was directly hitting buildings on the other side of the globe. He was saying that the side effects of the beam were so powerful it was crushing buildings on the other side of the globe.


The beam itself carries no weight and therefore no opposing force. The Earth's grabity smashing the buildings due to the alteration performed by the ship doesn't mean the beam carries weight.

I don't really know how strong a terraforming ship must be, but the movie makes no reference to such, and therefore any conclusion is invalid.

However, we do know that battleships must be strong enough to withstand enemy attacks, so, Thanos' dreadnought has that adv.


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No, and there's no such thing as a World Engine or an infinity gauntlet but here were are. It was a gravity beam in the movie.




The core was being altered by the beam... Notice that as soon as Superman destroyed the World Engine the gravity effect ceased. That means the beam was the cause of the massive gravity increase. So he overpowered a beam capable of flattening skyscrapers on the other side of the planet while being heavily depowered, and then destroyed the World Engine itself.


Yet the movie never mentioned "gravity beam", if otherwise, then bring the proof.

Altering the core doesn't translate in the beam taking force.


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The beam itself carries no weight and therefore no opposing force. The Earth's grabity smashing the buildings due to the alteration performed by the ship doesn't mean the beam carries weight.

I don't really know how strong a terraforming ship must be, but the movie makes no reference to such, and therefore any conclusion is invalid.

However, we do know that battleships must be strong enough to withstand enemy attacks, so, Thanos' dreadnought has that adv.


The beam was the cause of what was happening to the buildings. Superman was in close proximity to the thing.

And yes ships meant for battle need to be able to withstand enemy attacks. Yet I still must point out we have no feats for the ship. And I agree we have no idea exactly how tough the terraforming ship would have to be. All we can say is that it would need to be tough, but that is not a feat. Both ships would have to be tough(albeit for different reasons) and both lack feats.


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