__________________ "Happiness is a lie. Life is horror. The light is always dying all across the universe. The last star will flicker out someday, when it does, all that remains is shadow. And I will be its king!"'-Amahl Farouk
Doomsday was very powerful, but also pretty much a savage beast. I could see Dr Strange tricking him into diving into a portal and BFRing himself or something along those lines.
Kinda bummed we didn't get this in Infinity War, because it would add another tool to the table for these threads. Same trick the Ancient One used on Strange in their first meeting.
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But I kinda get why it was scrapped after the initial concept art etc. was made. Even with the IG, Thanos would have been fooked. Because the IG doesn't mean shit if it's on a lifeless body while Thanos' mind goes tumbling through the multiverse. Can't have Strange solo'ing the Big Bad by tapping him in the forehead. But hopefully he does use it on someone in the future. Would be a nice callback.
In case of confusion, that's official concept art, not fan art:
Maybe in the comics, but I don't recall any onscreen feats to say the MCU versions would. The only time he uses the Soul Stone outside of a Snap is when using it in conjunction with the Power Stone to escape Dr Strange's clone trap. And he had to actively clench his fist and activate it, just like all the other times:
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And he never had the Mind Stone for the Titan Infinity War battle. Besides, Vision had that thing stuck in his head for years and never did more than fire beams with it, so having it doesn't mean much unless you can also actively use it.
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Well, as I said, they scrapped that for a reason, probably so that Strange couldn't essentially one-shot Thanos (I mean, it would be pretty embarrassing). But, based on his power set, he really should be able to BFR him to the Mirror Dimension or something at the very least, regardless. Hell, the Ancient One specifically mentions that as one of its uses when showing it to Strange for the first time. I mean how does he actually block this without an Infinity Stone?
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Thanos is an absolutely beast in his element (melee combat), but there are plenty of counters to him.
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I mean they basically had write Strange out of most of the Endgame battle by having him hold back the flood to keep him busy until the end. Then, again, it could be the case that the flood always happened so Strange never got an opportunity to fight Thanos in the Endgame battle in any time line. Or some other reason they can make up after the fact to excuse it lol.
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^ Yeah but with Infinity War they almost got the glove off if not for Starlord. But surely in millions of scenarios they could have actually got it off multiple times. And if Strange could defeat Thanos without the IG, then surely that must have happened in a fair few of those scenarios as well.
I get that theres massive PIS involved with Strange. But thats how theyve shown it. (Wont even get into how it would look with Strange beating Thanos after losing to Maw).
Well, then how does he stop from getting BFR'd, like in the gif I posted? They can make all the claims they want, but actual screen feats suggest Strange could take him.
Besides, it's pretty clear from some interviews that the Russos didn't think fans would nitpick some things, based on their lazy answers. Like after Endgame, someone asked them at one point why Strange also didn't cut Thanos' arm off with a portal, like Wong did with Cull. And they were basically like, well, he didn't know if it would work or how long it would take, and Thanos might have Snapped anyway before he could cut all the way through. Yeah, except he didn't have all the Stones to do a Snap on Titan, so that excuse doesn't actually hold up.
But this is something I have commented on more than once before. The Russos are really good at making an entertaining popcorn film, but they tend to butcher power level consistency in virtually every MCU movie they make going back to CA:CW. A character is only as competent or as powerful as the Russos need them to be to get from point A to point B in a scene.
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Man, that sequence was tight. It's tough in a comic book movie these days to get the hairs on the back of my neck standing up, but holy crap that was amazing.
Anyways, Doomsday was one of if not the biggest, strongest, most invulnerable final bosses in a comic book movie or any movie for that matter. If he lays a hand on Stephen, Stephen is going down.
However, as everyone has said here, that's very unlikely. Doc has too many options for at the least immobilizing Doomsday or making him miss enough times until Strange can BFR him.
Very much agreed, their two main weaknesses in directing MCU flicks have been
1. power level consistency
2. outside of Infinity War, rewatch-ability of their helmed films
I haven't seen Winter Soldier, CW, or Endgame since theaters, and although I watched CW and Endgame twice apiece at the cinema, the main attraction the second time was seeing the reactions of the people with me.
All that said, I'll give at least one good watch to their great rollercoaster ride comic book movies with plot holes any day of the week.
Funnily enough, CA:TWS is probably still my favourite MCU film overall and one I can re-watch repeatedly lol. But I'm just a sucker for well done close quarters fight choreography and that film is on point in that regard. Also, beyond being a comic book film, it's a pretty great spy movie as well.
And related to my previous comments regarding the Mirror Dimension, it's not like it's hard for Strange either. Even as a noob sorcerer he could pull it off on the fly, like when he shunted the attack that was meant to destroy the one Sanctum there.
So, yeah, the only reason IMO that Strange can't beat IG-less Thanos is bad writing. Because all Strange has to do is the same as in that clip, use his cloak to fly like a 100 feet in the air and portal himself out, leaving Thanos there. Or in the case of this fight, Doomsday. Though with Doomsday he'd have to take care to avoid heat vision during flight. I mean that had actually been his plan with Kaecilius in that scene. Go to the Mirror Dimension, steal their slingrings and leave, trapping them there. Of course, Strange didn't take into account the fact that Kaecilius could bend the Mirror Dimension itself to his will and warp everything inside it.
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