Steppenwolf vs. War Machine/Giant Man/Spiderman/Black Panther
Same circumstances as the Russian fight
Endgame Giant Man
Infinity War Armor for Rhodey
Far from Home Spiderman
Endgame Black Panther
Who wins
__________________ "Happiness is a lie. Life is horror. The light is always dying all across the universe. The last star will flicker out someday, when it does, all that remains is shadow. And I will be its king!"'-Amahl Farouk
Solid synopsis here Shadow. The team doesn't have the power output sans - as you said - Giant Man to put down Stepp, and he's a massive target that Stepp can throw his axe at or just jump on and start chopping. Unless Giant Man gets a good soccer kick or swat in on Stepp, the team is going down.
Wait, sorry, but how is Giant-Man a glass cannon and Rhodey the most powerful member on the team when Rhodey's arsenal couldn't do anything to Giant-Man in CA:CW? He even had to get saved by Spider-Man at one point. Scott's issue was not durability but endurance, as the larger form drains his stamina much more quickly. But that also seems to have improved after spending that time stuck in the quantum realm, as he was smashing through the Avengers building remains, running about while punching and wrestling Leviathans, and then still had more than enough energy to go off with Wasp to try and fix the van's quantum tunnel. Not to mention the sheer size difference would mean that Steppenwolf would have to throw the axe so hard that it pierced Scott like a bullet to do any really serious harm.
Also, is Scott restricted from using any of his other standard gear? Otherwise, they could just shrink him down and have Spider-Man smother him in webbing.
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Last edited by TheVaultDweller on Mar 2nd, 2020 at 03:03 PM
Yeah, even CA:CW Giant-Man could casually swing a jet bridge with one hand and tear chunks off passenger planes. And those Leviathans could smash straight through solid structures like buildings and bridges without even missing a beat or slowing, but EG Scott floored one with a cross. Even at his larger size, it would be like a grown man punching an armored horse into the ground with one blow. Of course, Steppenwolf does have a massive agility advantage over him here, so Scott would struggle like hell to tag him without assistance, even with the massive reach advantage Scott's size affords.
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Steppenwolf is agile relative to his size, but he tanked a lot of stuff or had quick reflexes. He didnt really move around too much when he was fighting. I can see him getting punched or stomped into the ground if the others keep him busy.
I actually wonder if Steppenwolf can throw that axe hard enough to actually pierce Giant-Man in the manner I mentioned. I honestly can't say myself with any certainty either way. Because he would have to. This is something I saw on another site. And yeah, it's Endgame Giant-Man scaled next to MCU Savage Hulk, but Steppenwolf was a similar height to Pre-EG Hulk IIRC (around 8 and a bit feet or so). So, simple slashes and stabs would be like being poked with a toothpick or scratched by a cat to Scott:
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It honestly depends on how you approach it. If you applied scaling via Wonder Woman and Aquaman and some of their feats (like the submarine, WW vs Doomsday), you could make an argument for him being strong enough to perform the throw. Going purely just by his own performed feats though, I am not so convinced.
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Y'all seemed to forget that both IM and War machine knocked Scott tfo.
On top of that, War Machine never hit Scott once with his arsenal.
Yeah, Stepp will throw that axe right through Scott's face.
Granted, every time I see Giant Man I assume he is staying in his giant form
Stepps axe will easily Pierce Giant Man. Where are these durability feats? There has only been one time in the entire MCU that Giant man was ever hit by anything and he got ktfo. So yeah, he is a complete glass cannon when facing anyone at IM level or up
As always, I could be completely wrong but I can't remember any instances of him being hit by anything.
And stepp is far to fast to get stepped on
Last edited by ShadowFyre on Mar 2nd, 2020 at 07:37 PM
War Machine lit Scott up when Spidey was riding along on his web using his shoulder cannon, and Scott was annoyed at best. He also took a solid hit from Spidey who in that same movie held up the jet bridge so we know he's no weakling. Vision upped his density and cannonballed him in the chest, which only knocked him back, but didn't do much damage. He didn't get to use his full arsenal because he wasted it on a different jet bridge Scott was gonna smack him with, but the result probably would have been the same as the first time he shot him.
Also he never got ktfo. Spidey used the Snowspeeder tow cable move they used against the AT-AT's in Star Wars and wrapped up his legs, War Machine throug a cart at his legs to further throw off his footing, then Iron Man and War Machine uppercutted him. Because he couldn't maintain his balance he fell on the wing of the plane and turned back to normal size. At no point was he unconscious or even dazed. He was just sore, but he was well enough to joke about it. Oh, and he accidentally knocked Spidey out as he fell with a back hand and would have taken War Machine out at least 3 times if not for help from multiple people.
And as for Stepp being too fast to get hit, Scott was fast enough to tag Spidey, War Machine multiple times, and even almost took out Black Panther. Stepp is a snail compared to all of them in movement speed.
And if Stepp tries to throw the axe Scott can just smallify. It's nearly instant and all he has to do is tap a button.
Last edited by KingD19 on Mar 2nd, 2020 at 07:47 PM
War Machine and Iron Man knocked Scott over, after Spider-Man webbed his legs together, and he shrunk down because of the strain on his body at that point. He still made the orange slices comment while lying there. Because, as he mentioned, that was literally his first time going giant in combat. He mentions in Ant-Man and the Wasp how he slept for two days after that, because of all the energy it took. And yes, Rhodey directly shot enlarged Scott with some of his shoulder missiles and things and it did nothing. Vision rammed him into a plane hard enough to leave a huge dent and it mostly just annoyed him. And that was CA:CW Giant-Man, who was smaller, weaker and less experienced than the version specified in the OP, who could smash partially head-first through hundreds of tons of rubble and not even have a scratch on his helmet.
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I said in comparisons to the guy with super soldier speed, literal rocket engines, and the fastest moving person we have in Marvel aside from Quicksilver he's a snail
He barely even moves or dodges during his fights as he can swat away or tank most damage. Watch him get attacked by everyone during every fight and either rush them or just tank what they throw at him. And when he finally tries to use speed its against Superman.
This is so stupid. The fact that people believed Scott can actually hurt Wolf is damn laughable. And using the Superman froze his axe as a low is even more stupid. It’s freaking Superman!
Well there's no reason Iron-Man or War-Machine with tech couldn't do the exact same thing then have Spidey or someone else hit it really hard. We don't know the extent of Supes' freeze breath in the movie. But we did see the axe get flash frozen and then shattered by Wonder Woman smacking it with her sword. So frozen+massive impact force=broken axe as far as we know.
And there's more evidence of him being able to hurt him to at least some extent than isn't, as well as Scott's gadgets. He could shrink the hammer, or just shrink Step with his discs.
No one in the Marvel side is breaking Wolf’s axe with just brute strength. Also this is the same Diana that cut limbs from Doomsday.
It’s already made canon that you keep your mass once you shrink. Shrinking Wolf would be the dumbest thing the team could do.
Now they have to contend with a being they can’t see, but still just as strong.
Wolf casually take this fight. It’s just pure bias on the Marvel side that has this fight continuing.
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