I don't recall Maeve overpowering him. She applied a chokehold from behind when he wasn't looking. She had the leverage advantage and he wasn't even trying to fight her.
He was trying to fight her. He was scrabbling at her arms to get her off after she pulled him off Starlight, and considering how much stuff he's tanked and how he ignores pain, it seems that he was simply overpowered even if it was a better tactical position. If she'd done the same thing to Homelander or Stormfront they would've just flipped her off.
But fine, let's ignore that. Based on the feats Noir has, he is still not her opponent by any stretch of the imagination. Diana has him far outclassed in speed, strength, durability, and skill. Plus she has her shockwave, bracers, lasso and sword in the full gear fight. Not that she really needs them. I don't see Noir taking any hits from Superman, Ares, or Steppenwolf. Nor being able to affect them even slightly with his blows.
I've been put in a chokehold before, it's very difficult to power out from even when you're massively stronger than your opponent. Especially when you're on your knees and the other person is standing behind you.
In any case, I agree that WW ouclasses him in speed but I'm curious why you think she outclasses him in durability or skill? Sure nobody like Superman has punched him before but WW hasn't tanked explosions like he had either. And she does have fancy moves but I don't recall her doing anything that would put her above Noir in skill.
And I've been put in a chokehold before. Both in real fights and during the 3 years of MMA training I've got. I've slammed someone into a wall from a downed position, and I've flipped someone completely over my back. Strength and skill help, so it's not completely impossible.
She outclasses him in blunt force durability since she's taken hits from Ares, Superman, and Steppenwolf, and blocked hits from Doomsday both with and without her shield iirc. Doomsday even launched her a good distance through debris and her response was to smile and get right back up. And even with his knives, she's proven fast enough to be able to block them with her bracers or with her sword/shield/lasso.
So in h2h his ability to hurt her is practically non-existent. And he doesn't have explosives, but she has tanked multiple explosions and been just fine. I'd say she did better with explosions than he did, because he tanked them but still took damage and had to heal. She was just unharmed completely.
Explosive Durability -
https://streamable.com/tq29k - Gets blasted a huge distance after throwing a plane bomb into a grouping of 30 or so german stick grenades. It made a mushroom cloud and the only damage she sustained was temporary defness.
https://gfycat.com/happyimaginaryheterodontosaurus - An explosion hits her so hard, she cracks the wall from being launched into the opposite building, but just uses it to springboard through a window.
She's shown far more skill than Noir ever has, against similarly enhanced opponents and normal people. He's good, but she's a 5,000 year old Amazonian warrior princess who's been fighting grown quasi-immortal warriors since she was a child. He's only ever fought defenseless humans and a few supes who actually gave him trouble like Kimiko .
https://gfycat.com/velvetyreadyangora - Defeats Antiope, the most skilled and powerful of the Amazons. She only had to use her bracers because she didn't go for the "kill" and took her eyes off her.
https://gfycat.com/softhastyharrier - Takes out multiple Amazonians attacking her with different weapons, from different distances at the same time.
She also showed plenty of skill in the fight against Doomsday, but I can't find any specific gifs, just the entire video.
So yeah...Noir is not her opponent on any level imo. She's far stronger, far more durable against blunt force/explosives/probably blades as well but that's not proven, faster by an insane amount, and has roughly 5,000 years on him in skill.
And with "full gear", she gets indestrucble bracers that can also create a shockwave powerful enough to knock back guys like Supes, Doomsday, Ares, and Steppenwolf. A shield powerful enough to block Doomsday's HV and whack him off his feet. And a sword that can slice through him like butter, as well as her lasso. All he has...is daggers.
Diana wins like 50/10 in both scenarios.
Last edited by KingD19 on Oct 17th, 2020 at 05:45 AM
Also I need to point out Noir was trying to kill Starlight as an order because of her betraying Voght, so he wouldn't have just let Maeve take him out.
I'll spend time to reply to the rest of your points tomorrow but just wanted to say that if you were kneeling and someone stood behind you and applied a proper chokehold, there's no way you could flip them over or slam them against the wall unless they completely have no idea of what they're doing.
Except I've done it, and against other fighters of similar skill or better depending on who I was against in my classes. It's not easy, but it's not impossible. In the actual fight, he got me clean and I stood up and just rushed backward.
And another point on Noir, Niqab exploding left him shredded, and so did Butcher's house going off, both explosions were far lesser than what Diana tanked with no injury. And while he "tanked" it, as I pointed out, he didn't get away unscathed as he clearly took severe damage he just decided to ignore.
About the chokehold, IIRC it was not a proper hold and done with one arm. If he couldn't even budge it, that doesn't speak well for him.
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