Also needs to be pointed out Thor said he was holding back in his past fights with Loki.
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It definitely needs to be pointed out that Thor was holding back a lot in his fights with Loki. Not only does he say as much, but considering Thor can actually give Hulk a fight, while Loki gets ragdolled speaks volumes. And we've only seen Loki beat up Avengers 1 Cap, waaay before he started to have his strength creep which could have changed the dynamics if they fought a second or third time. He loves his brother and despite everything never wanted to hurt or get him in trouble, he only wanted him to do the right thing.
Loki is a runt of a Frost Giant who was primarily trained in magic by Frigga. It makes no sense that he'd be physically stronger than full grown Frost Giants who were getting one shot by Thor like they were scrubs. So I'll say Loki is near an Asgardian in strength, but nowhere near Thor who is only surpassed by Hela and possibly Odin in his prime(we never see any physical feats from him).
Well he was still strong enough to grab Thor by the nape of his neck and smash his face against the railing of Stark building. So while Thor is clearly stronger than Loki, it doesn't seem like Loki is too far behind.
Also, Cap couldn't budge Loki at all despite landing heavy shots. In comparison, Cap was still able to move Spidey with his hits, so I think it's clear that Loki is higher than Spidey.
I guess it's possible Loki would be a 6 instead of a 7, but if I rated Spidey a 5 then I wouldn't rate Loki less than a 6 considering how they both performed against Cap. 7 still seems more reasonable.
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1. Endgame Cap almost lost to Avengers Cap, which disproves the stength creep you mentioned.
2. Loki never fought Hulk. He got blindisded by Hulk.
3. Loki handled Cap way better than Spiderman, which should put him comfortably stronger than Spidey.
4. Thor holds back against Loki but the fact that he needs to take Loki seriously in order to beat him proves that Loki is pretty close to his strength.
5. Loki holds back against Thor too, as there were multiple instances where he could have landed killing shots against Thor but usually just stabs him in the side.
Could easily be explained by Avengers Cap retroactively benefiting from the strength creep.
If I surmise KingD's meaning of the term correctly, then the concept itself is on a meta level, determined by the writer, not a natural in-movie explanation. If Endgame Cap is shown to be stronger than Avengers Cap, then that would make no sense to viewers (unless explained by more experience).
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