Originally posted by Thoren
And they always eventually get defeated.They fire on the Enterprise twice, shields go down all the way to 10%, but the subsequent 20 shots fired, don't do shit.
I would say if it's one borg cube against one hive ship, if the hive ship fire continuously, then they win.
They only got defeated by the Enterprise because Picard had intimate knowledge of them, which the Wraith won't have.
When the borg have wanted to destroy the enterprise, they've almost succeeded, and forced the enterprise to turn tail and run like hell.
I don't see how if the borg adapt.
A single Borg Cube destroyed 39 Federation ships in about 45 minutes (TNG: Best of Both Worlds; Battle of Wolf 359). The only way the Enterprise defeated that cube was due to Picard instructing Data on how to put the Borg into sleep mode through a backdoor command. In Voyager they had to co-opt Borg tech in order to create a defense and were still out gunned. It took Future Janeway infecting herself with a bio weapon virus and tricking the Borg into assmilating her to defeat them.
Neither of those options are likely in this battle.
Originally posted by MF DELPH
A single Borg Cube destroyed 39 Federation ships in about 45 minutes (TNG: Best of Both Worlds; Battle of Wolf 359). The only way the Enterprise defeated that cube was due to Picard instructing Data on how to put the Borg into sleep mode through a backdoor command.
The moral of this story is that whichever side has Picard wins.
Edit: I'm not saying the Borg's technological superiority wouldn't have necessary won them the day either way, just that I don't think they'd have won Wolf 359 so decisively without Picard's insider knowledge and tactical genius.
I do.
It was shown that they'd already taken down more technologically advanced races than the Federation members consisted of, for one thing. The main point in assimilating Picard was to make him a liaison to facilitate the assimilation of Earth with less resistance (as they stated when he was brought aboard the cube). They had already assimilated Federation technology prior to the events of Q Who? (via the events in ST:First Contact, and further expanded upon during ST:Enterprise. First Contact created a predestination paradox as the Borg became aware of humanity prior to Q Who?, and the Borg assimilated early Starfleet officers from the Captain Archer era, as well as assimilating 7 of 9's parents prior to Q Who?). The Enterprise was no match for a Cube at all prior to Picard's assimilation, and all other Star Fleet Ships at the point of Wolf 359 were inferior to the Enterprise in crew and armaments (as the Cube incursion led to the Federation developing more powerful weaponry, like the Defiant Class warships, for use should another invasion occur), and during Q Who? they assimilated a portion of the Enterprise itself and analyzed it. If you'll recall, Picard had to ask Q to save them because the Borg had them dead to rights. They also assimilated several Federation and Romulan colonies afterwards.
So yeah, Picard or not, the Borg would have destroyed the fleet with ease. Assimilating Picard actually led to their defeat as they hadn't factored in the devotion of his crew and Riker's plan to bring him back from the Collective, which led to his being able to give Data the sleep command. If not for that Earth would have been assimilated.
A small part. The Borg were already too much for Picard, who was Starfleet's best captain and had Starfleet's best ship. They were no match for the Borg either way. If anything Picard's knowledge simply made sure the cube took out the fleet at Wolf 359 more efficiently in a top threat to lower tier threat sequence, but the massacre would have taken place whether he were Locutus or not. Actually, I think if they'd just attacked Earth without assimilating Picard they would have been successful in the overall attack and assimilated Earth. Picard's presence became their Achilles Heel.
Originally posted by MF DELPH
A small part. The Borg were already too much for Picard, who was Starfleet's best captain and had Starfleet's best ship. They were no match for the Borg either way. If anything Picard's knowledge simply made sure the cube took out the fleet at Wolf 359 more efficiently in a top threat to lower tier threat sequence, but the massacre would have taken place whether he were Locutus or not. Actually, I think if they'd just attacked Earth without assimilating Picard they would have been successful in the overall attack and assimilated Earth. Picard's presence became their Achilles Heel.
That to me suggests that either the Enterprise is equal to 40 Federation ships (which is just silly) or that the Borg had a major trump card besides technological superiority.
It's not a matter of the Enterprise being equal to 40 ships, it's a matter of the Borg being able to adapt to and overcome the best the Federation had to dish out. Regardless of how many ships the Federation Fleet consisted of the determining factor is they all used the same weaponry/technology (which, as I stated before, prompted Starfleet to up the ante and create more powerful weapons/ships, e.g., Defiant Class). Once the Borg adapted to the modulating phaser frequencies and photon torpedoes the numbers didn't matter, they had a defense that nullified the Fleet's offense. Unless those ships all rammed into the cube and caused a massive warp core breach they were going to lose as the weapons they employed, which were all Starfleet standard issue, weren't effective.
What's 40 flamethrowers going to do to a non-combustible material that one flame thrower couldn't if they're all creating the same flames?
Originally posted by MF DELPH
It's not a matter of the Enterprise being equal to 40 ships, it's a matter of the Borg being able to adapt to and overcome the best the Federation had to dish out. Regardless of how many ships the Federation Fleet consisted of the determining factor is they all used the same weaponry/technology (which, as I stated before, prompted Starfleet to up the ante and create more powerful weapons/ships, e.g., Defiant Class). Once the Borg adapted to the modulating phaser frequencies and photon torpedoes the numbers didn't matter, they had a defense that nullified the Fleet's offense. Unless those ships all rammed into the cube and caused a massive warp core breach they were going to lose as the weapons they employed, which were all Starfleet standard issue, weren't effective.What's 40 flamethrowers going to do to a non-combustible material that one flame thrower couldn't if they're all creating the same flames?