Originally posted by Kento
Does Vegeta ever do anything but get his butt kicked anyway?
Well, if it weren't for him Goku would have lost to Buu. And Gohan wouldn't have been able to beat Cell. Oh yeah, Android 19 too.
Anyways, Vegeta wins at SSJ4. Broly was beaten by SSJ1 Goku, with power lent to him from SSJ1 Vegeta and Trunks, and Piccolo. I'd bet on SSJ2 Vegeta to win, actually. SSJ4 should be no contest.
Think about it- SSJ4 should be more than 10x stronger than SSJ2 Vegeta (Ozaru is 10x as strong as a Saiyan in his natural state). So even if SSJ4 is no stronger than Golden Ozaru, that should still be more than enough.
Originally posted by yungz22
vegeta would prolly lose if it was ssj2 because in the movie everyone took way more hits then vegeta. Vegeta ran into the fight got slammed into a boulder and that was it for him
Yes, except he wasn't actually that hurt. He took one hit, and in the manga or anime series he would have gotten straight back into the fight, even if he couldn't win (e.g. Frieza, Perfect Cell).
For some reason though, in the movie he just stands around moping saying that "we're all doomed".
When I say Vegeta SSJ2, i'm talking EoZ SSJ2- he's at least as strong as Goku in SSJ2 if not more.
Originally posted by jimBOFHGetting koed in one-hit and barley being able to stand when he wakes up means he was hurt.
Yes, except he wasn't actually that hurt. He took one hit, and in the manga or anime series he would have gotten straight back into the fight, even if he couldn't win (e.g. Frieza, Perfect Cell).
For some reason though, in the movie he just stands around moping saying that "we're all doomed".
When I say Vegeta SSJ2, i'm talking EoZ SSJ2- he's at least as strong as Goku in SSJ2 if not more.
And yea that was very unlike Vegeta. But he'd also heard the legends, and Broli didn't even acknowledge his first attack. It was like Freeza. He knew Freeza destroyed his planet but he wasn't strong enough so he followed Freeza because he couldn't win. Where Gokou fought knowing he may not be strong enough to beat Freeza. That is where Vegeta and Gokou differ and why Gokou is stronger.
Originally posted by Kento
Getting koed in one-hit and barley being able to stand when he wakes up means he was hurt.And yea that was very unlike Vegeta. But he'd also heard the legends, and Broli didn't even acknowledge his first attack. It was like Freeza. He knew Freeza destroyed his planet but he wasn't strong enough so he followed Freeza because he couldn't win. Where Gokou fought knowing he may not be strong enough to beat Freeza. That is where Vegeta and Gokou differ and why Gokou is stronger.
Anyways, sure, he was a lot weaker than Broli as an SSJ1. But this was pre-Cell Games- his strength increases by orders of magnitude by the EoZ, not to mention his speed- Broli really doesn't seem fast enough to fight with Goku or Vegeta by EoZ.
Originally posted by jimBOFH
I thought the characterisation for the movie was pretty terrible, actually- particularly at the beginning when Vegeta agrees to go with Paragus.Anyways, sure, he was a lot weaker than Broli as an SSJ1. But this was pre-Cell Games- his strength increases by orders of magnitude by the EoZ, not to mention his speed- Broli really doesn't seem fast enough to fight with Goku or Vegeta by EoZ.
I didn't. They were trying to show what Broly was, which is why Paragus commented on Vegeta being the only one knowing what they were really up against. Vegeta's whole life was about becoming a Super Sayain and after he reached it he assumed he was now a legendary ssj. Then Broly comes and shatters that notion. Samething happened when during the Namek saga when Vegeta was the only one who realized how much more powerful Freeza was. Vegeta eventually came through it both times.
Originally posted by jimBOFHVegeta only fought once he assumed he was strong enough to win. And wanted to cheat by being immortal. Until then he let Freeza order him around. Cell he thought he was stronger than. Buu Saga is when he changed, and realized why Gokou was strong. Vegeta fought people weaker than him, and then was beaten by people stronger. Gokou fought people stronger, grew stronger for it, and doesn't like fighting weaker people.
Vegeta did fight Frieza, but he wanted to be sure he could win. If Guru hadn't died when he did, Vegeta's plan would have worked perfectly- although he most likely would have killed Goku afterwards. As it was, he thought he had a very slim chance to beat Frieza when he challenged him, but he kept fighting once that chance had long gone because of his sense of pride and honour. Whenever he's been hopelessly outmatched in a fight in the series- Buu, Cell, Frieza- he's gone down fighting. I thought the characterisation for the movie was pretty terrible, actually- particularly at the beginning when Vegeta agrees to go with Paragus.Anyways, sure, he was a lot weaker than Broli as an SSJ1. But this was pre-Cell Games- his strength increases by orders of magnitude by the EoZ, not to mention his speed- Broli really doesn't seem fast enough to fight with Goku or Vegeta by EoZ.
When Vegeta finally gets over his fear though was awesome. 'I'm the ruler of all saiyans. Even you Broli.'
Originally posted by TheBadguy
I didn't. They were trying to show what Broly was, which is why Paragus commented on Vegeta being the only one knowing what they were really up against. Vegeta's whole life was about becoming a Super Sayain and after he reached it he assumed he was now a legendary ssj. Then Broly comes and shatters that notion. Samething happened when during the Namek saga when Vegeta was the only one who realized how much more powerful Freeza was. Vegeta eventually came through it both times.