Originally posted by Ridley Prime
True, but if he did, SSJ4 Vegito would beat the crap out of that 10 to 30 mintue fusion.
True...
I'd still wait 'til the Budokai Tenkaichi games are forced to resort to "what-if" characters in order to increase the character roster before putting an otherwise hypothetical character in a debate on thse forums.
But as far as "hypothetical" speaking is concerned, anytime Vegito and Gogeta were ever to be in the same form, Vegito would be more powerful by default.
Originally posted by shane8874
Well anyone who Knows DBZ would know that ssj4 gogeta would win.For one ssj4 gogeta is ten times stronger than ss2 vegito and ssj4 vegito is still weeker that goget ssj4, plus in that 30 min ssj4 gogeta would end it in 15 min! It would be fun tho!
Read my above sentence. Characters that use the Potara earrings will always be more powerful than they would be if the fused with the Fusion Dance.
Originally posted by shane8874
I understand that, but ssj4 vegito still would lose. the time difference between shenron and buu in a good amount of time witch means goku and vegeta also would have increased their powers greatly. with would still put them ahead by a nice margen.I am of course talking about ssj4 gogeta
First off, speak with a little more sense. Secondly, don't try convoluting the logic of the fusions with whatever it is you're trying to say; what I'm saying is this: if at anytime Goku and Vegeta fused with the Potara earrings while they had access to SSJ4, Vegito too, would have access to the form. Now, because the Potara fusion creates a more powerful result, that would make a SSJ4 Vegito more powerful than SSJ4 Gogeta. Where the fusion dance adds their EQUALIZED powers, the potara fusion combines and multiplies their FULL powers, and is multiplied further with each transformation.
Originally posted by Slaanesh
vegeto stomp...Potara Earring > Fusion Dance...that's a fact..
In the viz-manga translation, it's only stated that potara is a more efficient way of fusing. It said nothing about the results, but if Toriyama did it, I doubt he would change the name for the characters, and doubtfully alter their appearance or power.
Meaning that Toriyama would probably name the fusion (dance) of Goku and Vegeta to "Vegeto" have him wear the same cloths, have the same appearance and be equally as powerful--but then again, that's just speculation.
Originally posted by First_Tsurugi06
Where the fusion dance adds their EQUALIZED powers, the potara fusion combines and multiplies their FULL powers, and is multiplied further with each transformation.
Originally posted by First_Tsurugi06
First off, speak with a little more sense. Secondly, don't try convoluting the logic of the fusions with whatever it is you're trying to say
The Fusion Dance requires the two users to be at an equal level of power. In the case with Goku and Vegeta, this means that Goku would have to power down before being able to fuse effectively, and even then they'd hae to be in perfect sync. The only reason they didn't have to in the case of SSJ4 Gogeta is because they were already both SSJ4s and thus equal in power.
The Potara Fusion is more effective because it doesn't require any kind of equalizing of the users' powers; it combines every ounce of power they have and multiplies it (when Vegito went SSJ1, it was multiplied several fold--he was already ore powerful than a SSJ1 Gogeta at this point). That, and the mutual rivalry between Goku and Vegeta was said to have made the fusion even more complete, making Vegito that much more powerful. There's no implication of the Fusion dance doing anything more than adding two equal powers together. Not needing to perform any kind of dance in perfect sync is just gravy on why the Potara Fusion > Fusion Dance.
Originally posted by Astner
Well the anime is non-canon, so no it's not a fact.In the viz-manga translation, it's only stated that potara is a more efficient way of fusing. It said nothing about the results, but if Toriyama did it, I doubt he would change the name for the characters, and doubtfully alter their appearance or power.
Meaning that Toriyama would probably name the fusion (dance) of Goku and Vegeta to "Vegeto" have him wear the same cloths, have the same appearance and be equally as powerful--but then again, that's just speculation.
err...what are u talking about..it was state in the manga..by that old kaio shin..so..it is a fact..
Originally posted by First_Tsurugi06
The Fusion Dance requires the two users to be at an equal level of power. In the case with Goku and Vegeta, this means that Goku would have to power down before being able to fuse effectively, and even then they'd hae to be in perfect sync. The only reason they didn't have to in the case of SSJ4 Gogeta is because they were already both SSJ4s and thus equal in power.
Piccolo thought that they had to fuse as Ssj, but they proved in the RoTaS that they could power-up after the fusion.
--So I don't see how your suggested idea even makes sense.
Originally posted by Slaanesh
err...what are u talking about..it was state in the manga..by that old kaio shin..so..it is a fact..
Kaioshin said that it was an easier/better way to fuse, he didn't say anything about the results. (Buu would never give Gohan and Goku a chance to preform the dance)
The only reason Vegeto would win is because he would outlast Gogeta, that's if they're equal in power. Goku as an adult in DBGT was apparently more powerful than as Ssj3 Goku from DBZ.
Originally posted by Astner
I don't see why you bring your ideas to the table.Piccolo thought that they had to fuse as Ssj, but they proved in the RoTaS that they could power-up after the fusion.
--So I don't see how your suggested idea even makes sense.The Japanese and viz didn't. And bad translations aren't canon.
Kaioshin said that it was an easier/better way to fuse, he didn't say anything about the results. (Buu would never give Gohan and Goku a chance to preform the dance)
The only reason Vegeto would win is because he would outlast Gogeta, that's if they're equal in power. Goku as an adult in DBGT was apparently more powerful than as Ssj3 Goku from DBZ.
Uh Potara is better because it combines both fighter's power no matter the difference. In the dance their levels must be nearly even, hence why Trunks had to lower his to do so when Goku instructed. For example lets say Goku is a 10 and Vegeta is a 5.
Potara=15
Dance=12 assuming that it wouldn't be a stretch if he didn't come down equal his exact same level.
Also Vegito could power up as well hence why he went super saiyan.
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
In the dance their levels must be nearly even, hence why Trunks had to lower his to do so when Goku instructed.
Furthermore, nowhere in the manga is your idea even brought up. You don't apply your own ideas and regard them as canon material ...
Again, there was no confirmation in the viz-manga that the Potara gave better results. So there is no point in assuming that it did.
Originally posted by Astner
Did you even read the reply you quoted? After they fused they could power-up, meaning that they could after have adjusted their powers before the fusion, and powered-up afterwards.Furthermore, nowhere in the manga is your idea even brought up. You don't apply your own ideas and regard them as canon material ...
Again, there was no confirmation in the viz-manga that the Potara gave better results. So there is no point in assuming that it did.
Vegito can power up as well and I'm going off of what I heard from Goku's mouth. I think everyone here is debating the anime not the manga. Did GT even have a manga and if so did Gogeta even appear in them?
Originally posted by Astner
I don't see why you bring your ideas to the table.Piccolo thought that they had to fuse as Ssj, but they proved in the RoTaS that they could power-up after the fusion.
--So I don't see how your suggested idea even makes sense.
That's not what I'm getting at. Even when the fused for the first time, Piccolo told Trunks to keep his power a little lower to match Goten's, and they were both in base form (granted, it still failed because Trunks screwed up with the movement). No matter what the form the characters are in, they have to be equal in power for the result to be successful in the first place. Once they fuse correctly, then yeah, they could power up to whatever form. But as I said before, more power is put into the Potara Fusion because they don't need to equalize their powers, it already has their full powers combined at the start, and the SSJ transformation makes Vegito that much more powerful (to be percise, a SSJ1 transformation supopsedley multiplies a Saiyan's base power by 50).
The Japanese and viz didn't. And bad translations aren't canon.
Neither is GT or DBZ Movie 12--the only times where Gogeta ever appeared. That's besides the point though.