This is proof that Gotenks SS3 is faster than light
Speed of Light is 299,792,458 m/s
Circumference of earth in meters 40,075,017 m
Gotenks circled the earth 9 times in 7 seconds
Time to multiply the amount of times he flew around the earth with its circumference to figure out how much distance Gotenks traveled.
40,075,017 x 9 = 360,675,153 m
360,675,153 m in 7 seconds
So now divide by 7 to see how many meters per second he traveled
360,675,153 / 7 = 51,525,022 m/s
so Gotenks flew at 51,525,022 m/s
Now how close to lightspeed is that?
51,525,022 / 299,792,458 = 0.17… and many more decimals
but the easiest way to put it is to say he traveled 1/6 the speed of the of light
Now Gotenks was Super Saiyan 1 when he did this. It well known the SS2 is a 2x multiplier on SS1 and SS3 is a 4x multiplier making a SS3 8x stronger/faster than a SS1
To figure out how fast Gotenks SS3 speed is theoretically we multiply his SS1 speed by 8 (to account for the Super Saiyan multipliers)
51,525,022 x 8 = 412,200,176 m/s
412,200,176 / 299,792,458 (Speed of Light) = 1.37
1 1/3 times faster than the speed of light. This does not include how much faster Gotenks was after his training. It can be safely assumed that his is even faster than then my calculations. As such ever character stronger than him is faster than light (at least by using the anime)
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If you accelerate 2 billion times more than that, you will not reach the speed of light due to something called 'relativity'.
That is to say, the speed of light is always the same relative distance from someone (i.e. while to *you* someone else may look like they're at 1/6th light, from their POV, they're at 0% light), and there's infinite room for acceleration without reaching it because the more you accelerate, the more time slows down. It's in direct proportion, your time will always slow down so that you don't get any closer to light speed.
That's not quite how it works. You can't accelerate speed to two billion times the speed of light as acceleration is the change is speed over time, and to accelerate an object of mass past c (speed of light in vacuum) in a inertial system you'd need—according to the postulates of special relativity—more than infinite energy.
Now if you meant to accelerate an object to attain two billion times the kinetic energy then, theoretically speaking, that's obviously possible. But it's not obvious from what you wrote that that's what you meant.
Furthermore, I think this urge to prove that fictional characters can travel past c comes from narutofan forums.
It is what I'm talking about, but you're talking about how it looks from the outside observer. Relativity, remember, means things don't look the same from both points of view From the person's own POV, it looks a lot different.
Ok, so the op is discussing 360,675,153 m as the base speed. You accelerate that much, no biggie.
Then, you spend just as much energy, and from your point of view, you will accelerate just as much the second time.
Then, you do that again, and likewise, just as much.
Then again, and again, and again. Billions of times.
Every time, from your POV, you will get the same amount of acceleration, and from your own POV you will always gain the same amount of speed.
And from the outside point of view, you will be, without a doubt, under the speed of light, just gaining more decimal points, as you described.
And from your point of view, you'll be at 0% of the speed of light. And everything will have time that's going super fast compared to yours. From the outside, you'll be at 0.99whatever% of lightspeed and your personal time will go super slow.
And you will cross galaxies in a very short period of time, from your point of view, and then when you get back vast spans of time will have passed.
There is, if one is talking from one's own point of view, an infinite amount of available acceleration under the speed of light. It's just from the outside POV, all that above looks like slowing the traveler's time down a little and inching closer to C without reaching it.
"relativity" is not what you're looking for.
Special Theory of Relativity (or special relativity) is probably what you meant but that's not exactly correct, either.
If you accelerate 2 billion times that speed, you are going 2 billion times that speed. What you meant was applying 2 billion times that energy to the object in motion to accelerate it. Its relativistic mass would then increase, directly, as a function of the Lorentz Factor and it is a geometric growth.
This is not correct, either. You probably mean velocity not accelerate. Also, time dilation would occur the closer to the velocity of light you got but that would require a relative observer. Additionally, once you reached the speed of light, everything would seem stopped around you. If you could break the laws of physics and travel faster than the speed of light, we do not know what would happen: some assume you would travel back in time.
1. Non-canon. The anime cant be used unless for an anime version only thread, something that has happened and lead to erratic feats and inconsistencies.
Eg; using a timeframe for that scene opens up the door to time anything by the anime timeframe, including how long it takes characters to travel distances when (by your calc) everyone around or above Gotenks at that moment should be able to travel to any point on the planet in half a second.
2. The guide says the Saiyan forms makes them "Twice/Four times the strength of" the previous one. It barely confirms says if its physical strength or ki strength, let alone speed.
3. The scene itself, unless I'm mistaken, is inconsistent as we can see the Earth turning as he's looping it. The Earth rotates around 1/6 of its diameter in that scene (2,000,000 meters ish), and itd take about an hour for the Earth to really spin that much.
That or a day on the DB Earth only takes 3 minutes. (Or something like that, cbatiredblah)
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