Cell wins round 1. As was made apparent in his fight with SSJ2 Gohan, Cell had been holding back a huge portion of his power... Against everyone... The entire time. In fact, Goku was literally left in awe when Cell fully powered up. Aside from that, tiny fractions of his power (Cell Juniors) were able to effortlessly shit-stomp most of the Z fighters (to Goku's credit, he was still battle-worn from his fight with Cell.)
Cell likely wins round 2 as well, but it'd be a hard-earned battle-- Pikkon adds more than you'd think. I just rewatched the Goku vs. Pikkon episodes, and Pikkon was superior to SSJ Goku(who, by that time, was likely stronger than he was during the Cell Games.) Heck, Goku only won that battle by exploiting a 'flaw' in one of Pikkon's techniques, which gave him the opportunity to knock Pikkon out of the ring--- but before that, Pikkon was winning decisively.
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Ha, you're right! I'd totally forgotten about that! Damn, I wish that shit would've happened in the manga.
So yeah, I'd like to change half of my former opinion. Cell obviously gets spite-stomped in round 2. Like you mentioned, Pikkon owned Perfect Cell with a single blow.
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Last edited by Galan007 on Dec 18th, 2012 at 04:14 AM
Unless there's a detail I'm forgetting, I don't think Goku got stronger during his 2nd time in the afterlife until he started training under the Grand Kai, so Pikkon lost to what was basically the same USSJ level Goku that surrendered to Cell during the Other World Tournament finals. And it looked like Cell was just cheapshotted when it came to Pikkon stopping him and Goku from fighting at that moment. Put that same Cell in a ring with Pikkon and he should knock Pikkon out of the ring faster than Goku did, as he also has instant transmission which was used to counter Pikkon's thunderflash.
Well, we know Goku was training hard in the afterlife. He eventually reached SSJ3 while there, after all. Dunno how long he had to train at that point.
Goku's training during his 2nd trip to the afterlife didn't start till after the Other World Tournament though IIRC. SSJ3 he reached at some point whilst training under the Grand Kai.
Actually, Goku trained for the other-worldly tournament. The scene, in the anime, where Goku trains with the weights occurs before the tournament and was used to intimidate another Kai and his fighter:
Wasn't SSJ1 Gohan already at Perfect Cell's level? I remember Goku saying Gohan was much stronger than Goku or even Cell before he transformed but that was also before Cell showed his "true power"
Not even the initial strikes from SSJ2 Gohan put Cell out of commission like Pikkon's blows did.
It was stated that SSJ Gohan was more powerful than SSJ Goku-- but it was also stated that Gohan only stood a chance against Cell due to his SSJ2 potential. As a regular SSJ he was still nothing in comparison.
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Ah, forgot about that part. I guess it's a question then on how much stronger Goku became prior to the Other World Tournament. Still pretty debatable though whether or not he already surpassed Super Cell by that point who was one-shotting USSJs.
Doesn't really change what I said. Pikkon still lost to a USSJ during the Other World Tournament, so he likely just got Cell when he did because of having the element of surprise.
...Because he got knocked out of the ring and disqualified. Before that cheap-shot, Pikkon was very clearly superior to SSJ Goku--- he [Pikkon] even tanked a full-force punch from Goku, who was utilizing a "Super kaioken" at the time(which would have doubled his base SSJ power.)
Regardless, in this battle there isn't a ring that Pikkon can be knocked out of for the DQ win. That'd be the difference.
Pikkon flew at Cell head-on(Cell even saw him coming.) Truth is, Pikkon trounced Cell with such ease because he is simply that powerful.
^ Gets even worse when you take into consideration the notion that Cell probably had his Super Perfect form PL.
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And if that was the case(which it should have been, unless you think Cell lost power when he died) then Pikkon's power would have been somewhere between a SSJ2 and a SSJ3--- more powerful than the former, but weaker than the latter.
But then the inevitable question arises: "If Pikkon was SSJ2-level(or beyond) how was SSJ1 Goku able to contend with him at all!?" Two answers:
a.) Pikkon was definitely more powerful than Goku, and had the clear upper hand throughout the entire battle-- even when Goku doubled his SSJ power, his blow barely even fazed Pikkon. Like I mentioned, Pikkon was only 'beaten' because Goku cheap-shotted the shit out of him with instant transmission+Kamehameha, subsequently knocking him out of the ring.
b.) Goku evidently got a lot more powerful between the Cell Games and his battle with Pikkon--- which makes sense given a Saiyan's natural ability to become vastly stronger after enduring a severe beatdown(of which he received en gros during the Cell Games.) And as dadudemon pointed out: Goku had also been receiving training from King Kai during this period.
Aside from that, did anyone else notice that even after Goku saw Cell was coming to attack him, he still didn't opt to power up beyond the Giji(False) SSJ form he assumed when he owned the Ginyu Force?
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Last edited by Galan007 on Dec 18th, 2012 at 11:34 PM
Goku didn't receive any training before the tournament in which he fought Pikkon...at least I don't remember him having any. The clip Dadudemon posted was from after that and they clearly talk about him preparing for the tournament on Earth, not in the Other World.
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